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Jason declares that he is going to lose despite holding the week's third-highest score and admits that he and Josh concede early. Later, the desk proposes a machine that punches him for every loss declaration if he still wins, and Jason says he would accept it.
The hosts cannot imagine a useful Giants locker-room speech after the impossible collapse, so Brian Daboll simply says he will see everyone tomorrow and leaves. The kicker then receives a deflated game ball as a parting gift before it is spiked at him and he is fired.
The listener ritual produces a dense positive run—Wham Bam Thank You Lamb, Quinshawn Studkins, Sir Nix a Lot, Bo Namath, Yay McBride, and Jamarvelous Chase—before the negative side lands on Baron Waller, Bill Krapski, Groan Odunze, Meowvin Harrison Jr., Saquon Barfley, and Trayvie Gone Henderson.
Trayvie Gone cues an audible 'it's over' reaction while video stays on the desk. Mike has no speech beyond Daboll's tomorrow line; listener Tanner asks the show to tell Mike that Henderson sucks; Jake Ciely's diagnosis is that the oven was never on; and identical snaps with an undrafted back push the desk to a cut recommendation, except for Mike if his film conviction remains.
Andy takes Arizona at +300 while Jason acts as the book. With the Cardinals ahead, Jason prematurely Apple Pays the $300 potential winnings so that a reversal will hurt more; Arizona collapses, Andy sends $400 back, and Jason points out how large the return transfer looks even though the net loss is $100.
Jason reviews the trail behind his outgoing trades: Burrow, Deebo, Bill Kroski, Darren Waller, and Breece Hall have left their new managers hurt or displeased. The hosts compare each deal to handing over a grenade after pulling the pin and name the pattern a post-trade Reaper thing.
The 17-team chopped league has repeatedly recycled Brock Bowers: Jason spent more than $500 and was chopped, another manager paid about $250 and was chopped, and Al acquired him for roughly $31 to $36 after he nearly went unclaimed. Al's top-scoring superteam now needs 34 Monday points from Montgomery and LaPorta, and the published show puts his answers on the live three-human Ducers Alley camera.
Will Dissly is called especially important to the show, the hosts demand the button, and the published video delivers: a jerseyed football player rides a moose through a mountain landscape across the lower frame while Andy, Jason, and Mike clap and dance.
Jeremy points out that Green Bay stopped rationing Josh Jacobs once the offense needed him late. The hosts explain that Jeremy saw it in person while rooting for his Packers amid enough traveling fans to force the Cardinals onto a silent count at home.
Andy, Jason, and Mike open with Jason's familiar League of Record concession despite holding the week's third-highest score, later inspiring a hypothetical machine that punches him for every premature loss declaration. The Giants' impossible collapse becomes Brian Daboll's wordless 'I'll see you guys tomorrow' speech and a parting game ball fired at the kicker. Monday Punday runs through a dense positive and negative listener list before landing on Trayvie Gone Henderson; an audio cue plays while the video remains at the ordinary desk, a teppanyaki listener sends Mike a direct message that Henderson sucks, and the hosts conclude the regular-season oven was never on. Andy then recounts taking Cardinals +300 against Jason's homemade book: Jason prematurely Apple Pays $300 during the lead, Andy must send $400 back after the collapse, and Jason wins the $100 net bet. Jason's trades of Burrow, Deebo, Bill Kroski, Darren Waller, and Breece Hall become a grenade handoff and a post-trade Reaper pattern. Producer Jeremy, addressed as Al Borland, receives a sustained live Ducers Alley cut while explaining that his top-scoring chopped-league team bought Brock Bowers for almost nothing and may become the next Bowers roster to be chopped. Kyle is only asked to vet a Matthew Stafford record and never answers on camera. Jeremy's Packers fandom is reinforced by his attendance at the Cardinals game. Finally, Will Dissly's importance to the show triggers a produced football-player-on-a-moose animation while all three hosts clap along—the episode's clearest visual payoff.
The Fantasy Footballer Studio is sponsored by Walmart. To the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in. The Fantasy Footballers Podcast, Monday, October 20th. How are you guys doing? Pretty good. I think, I think. You're doing all right? I think I'm doing all right. Yeah, yeah.
Are you surprised I'm doing all right since I'm going to lose in league of record? Yeah, but like it's one of those bad beats. Yeah, I mean, my team went nuclear. You should be, I think, the third highest score of the week. Sounds right. Sounds right. Unfortunately, playing the second highest. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's not over at all. I mean, he has David Montgomery in eight points against Nico Collins and Ken Bone Walker. Walker has disappeared at times. And then you're talking if it was heads up, Nico. versus Monty and eight points. That's not guaranteed. Yeah, I've got a chance, but more than one of you like to, Josh or myself, concede early. Well, thankfully we've got the median scoring. So we're going to be okay. You, you could have played me. I hope you lose. And then it would have just been a big fat loss. Yeah. Because a bonus. That game was. What? The Giants game. The Giants game. All right. What happened? We can start there. Good. I mean. What?
We'll get into Monday Punday. You submitted a ton of Monday Punday submissions, which 83% were negative and 17% were Boneyx. Oh, yeah. That's wild because there was, the fantasy scores are crazy this week. Yeah, no, I mean, there were there were some good ones too. We'll get into it. But that Giants game, you know, for me having undid my almost upset. And clearly. Clearly I learned something this week. I learned that when you go with it, just go with it. Because it worked, it would have worked out. Well, you did it perfect. And then I got the other one wrong. So it was like. So what's ironic about the the Giants is right off the bat, you were like, oh, this is an almost upset. The Giants are going to the Giants are going to be great. It was going to be upset. And then later you're like, I'm not sure it's going to happen. And then the game happened. And what happened was exactly that.
They were dominated. The Giants dominated the Broncos. It was 19 to nothing going into the fourth quarter. The game was over. They got another touchdown in the fourth quarter. They were up by, it was 26 to 8 with five minutes and 37 seconds left on the clock. I think if I'm not missing. No, yeah, I think that's right. I mean, nobody has ever lost a game. in that situation in the history of the national football league because it's impossible i'm going to tell you two things that happened so i'm watching i was on uh i think we went home for the second half of that game i'm watching on multi-view okay so i got all the games going and i see and i'm not kidding i see sean peyton on the sideline with six minutes left in this game i know the game's over and he's got this intensity on the play calling and i'm like
Thinking to myself, I literally say I'm like, wow, like, take it easy, brother. I'm like, I guess you do this to kind of like get your offense going for the next game, try to get some momentum. I literally go through that thought process. Then I'm doing something. I look back at the TV and I see the interception. And I see the pick by Jackson Dart, which was. Disgusting. It was egregious and like it's the last thing on the planet you should do in a game like that. Just take the sack, right? And even then when he threw it, I go, wow.
If this game was closer, that would have been one of the most catastrophic mistakes you can make as a young quarterback. And then after that in the game, they come down and score and then you're like, well, it doesn't, it still doesn't matter. And then they score again. It's like, oh, it doesn't matter. They take the lead. And then with the Broncos having the lead on it like, that's impossible. How did the Broncos come back and get the lead? Didn't Jackson Darkos and scores? But on that drive, he threw. twice, not once, but two times directly to Broncos, directly to Broncos who just dropped interceptions and they got bailed out, PI on the goal line. But don't worry, you only got, you got to go 40 yards with no timeouts in 30 seconds. Sean Payton's so pissed. He comes out on the field, gets a flag on him, but it's half the distance to the goal so it's worth a yard. They score and then the Broncos go and score. That game was wild. Oh, next with the.
My guys down there somewhere. I'm a chucking. There was a time I was worried about Bruce Aryan's health on a weekly basis on the sideline. That man was red. He was so red. I am there with Brian Dable with games like this. I'm like, poor Brian Dable. Like this game. Oh, the joints missed two extra points. Yeah, they missed two extra points. I mean, you. You fire that guy into the mood. We should be here. We should be here basically saying like. Oh my gosh, the Giants are reborn with Jackson Dart and Cam Scataboo had a great game. They, dude, they are. I don't know, man, because you watch how they went into the locker room. You watch Brian Burns walking to the locker room, like. Well, he had to limp into the locker room. I mean, he was so.
upset so angry with the play calling dropping eight into coverage like he you know it's like you you don't go in there with a moral victory because of how you know you don't you go in with an immoral loss I think they could bounce back well that one but it was but Bo Nix was a disaster give me the post game speech for the the Giants locker room that's the thing I couldn't fathom Brian Dable already looked so upset on the silent but what on earth do you say You don't have any, you can't get in there and be like, you guys fought a hard fight. No, it can congratulate them on how great they played for, you know, 45 minutes. If I were able, I'd walk into that locker room and everyone's just gathered around, you know, quiet, I'd be like, I'll see you guys tomorrow. Yes. And I would just walk out. Yes. Sit in it. I would bring, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, personally, I would, uh, have gone to the locker room with the game ball.
And I would have said, um, Jude, Jude McAdamy, this is yours. This is your parting gift. We will never see you again. Anyway, I would have given the ball to him and been like, guys saying you spike it at him. Yeah, just take me spike in his face. You go get out of here. You're fired. It's a deflated game ball. Yeah. Um, It was a wild day. We had the Cardinals lose every game at the very end. I mean, yeah, five losses in a row by a combined. We'd be talking about the insanity of the Cardinals end game, except the Broncos was way better. We'd be talking about the insanity of the Colts, Q. Chargers game was awesome. This weekend was a lot of fun of football. Well, I've got the Monday fun at football. Fun of football. I do have the Monday, Fun day, Pun day. Here we go.
There was a lot of good like, wham, bam, bam, thank you, Lamb. Oh, CD, bam, he's back, baby. Quinshawn Studkins. Leroy Judkins. Oh, and Rushie, nice. Oh, rushy twice. Yeah. Oh, oh, Ronde, Godson. Oh, he went off. He went God mode. Uh, how about, uh, whoa, Nix, or? Sir Nix a lot. Oh, Bo Namath. Yeah, I like that one, too. And we... Higgins. Yay, McBride. You got a quarterback. Jamarvelace Chase. And Jonathan Taylor? Panos. I like it. Janos, Andy. Oh, sorry. Dhanos Taylor. How about Chris Ula Lave? Yes, and it wasn't all good. No, we had Baron Waller. Oh, yeah. Oh, no. And ashtray Genty. And Bill Krapski. Oh, man. Oh, groan O'Dunze.
And George Little. Man, George Kitty. Bustin Fields. Mason Failure. Teteroa McSmelan. Crying Williams. And Meowvin Harrison, Jr. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sequin Barfley. And... Yeah, you got this one, Mike. Trayvie Gone. Henderson. So... I do have some audio if we want to talk Trayvon Henderson for a second. Oh, please. I do have some audio to share with you. I don't know what this is. Let's listen. Oh, no. Whoa. Oh, no. Yeah. It's over. It's over. I, I went to. I have nothing else. I'm like dable at the end of the game when it's like, what are you tomorrow? What do we do about Trayvion Anderson? I'll see you guys tomorrow. Yeah, I went to dinner last night and we were at a tepaniaki table.
And I was sitting next to a group that had just come from the Cardinals game. And they were all in Packers jerseys. They had celebrated their team's victory. They've flown in for the game. And apparently some of them listen to the show. And my new good friend Tanner wanted me to tell you, Mike, Trayvion and Henderson sucks. He was very upset about Tramundon. I understand. I guess. I don't know. So this is, there are case studies in fantasy football moments, I think, that illuminate the way we think about players. And I think Jake Sealy said the oven was never on. I think that's true. I think the oven was never on for Trayvion Henderson. And so we had some pre, we had a preseason kickoff return. Can we turn it on? No, we just never really got, we never got, there was no meat on.
the season right that goes all hype but we never got it in the season is what i'm saying oh yeah but you i mean that's true for every rookie imaginable i would say the oven being on is a well second round pick and the the preseason you're like this is going to be electric and then what i i guess what i mean is that every week we've come in here it's seven weeks expecting it to have happened the previous week yes whereas yes other rookies all have hype, right? None of them have played, but you get a taste. Sure. And we haven't, that's what I, like, there hasn't been that moment in the regular season for Trayvion. There's just the hope that it will come next week. It's the rational coaching. It's all of those things. And you look at the numbers from this week. Oh, and I don't know, I don't even know if it's Terrell Jennings or Terrell Jennings. I don't know how to pronounce his, there's an undrafted free agent, um, uh, running back.
who got the same amount of snaps as Trayvion Henderson, got congratulated after the game of being like, we've got our five minute back by Mike Rabel. Yeah, I mean, the snaps. He was playing. The snaps in week seven, 49 for Romandre, nine for Trayon. The carries 18 to two, the routes, 29 to five. That would be the most surprising one where you're like, hey, this is supposed to be the special sauce. And then the target's two to nothing. So it is wild, though, like, like, I mean, there are. It feels like two things, one of two things has to be true. Either they made a bad pick. Right. And Trayvion Henderson is not very good. Or they spent really important draft capital on a guy that they are just not involving who's good. So I don't know what it is. For fantasy purposes, you have to move on. Yes. Yeah, I think it is a cut. Yeah, I agree. I think it is a cut. Now, if you, you know, like if you.
If you are Mike, if you are a believer in the film, you really loved him, you still see, you know, if you want to roster him, roster him. I'm still rostering Caleb Johnson, who, I mean, Trayvion Henderson's at least on the field. Right. You know, call your shot. But you don't need to roster these guys. These guys are, you know, wait and hope that they become a waiver wire pickup. They're five and two now. The Patriots? Patriots are five and two, I think. Uh, yes, correct. Yeah, they've won four in a row now. And I think three of those on the road, which is a... That is three in a row on the road. If you want to talk about how coaching impacts a football team, Mike Vrable. Oh, Vrable's so good. I mean, Mike Rable and Ben Johnson. I'm going to say that. I want to give a shout out to the bears, four in a row for the bears. And same story. Totally different. You watch the postgame speeches. You watch the...
the way the team. I mean, Vrable got a game ball from Drake May this week for beating his former team, the Titans. Aw. You watch the way the locker room acts, and then you watch the way the Cardinals execute at the end of a football game. That could be 7 and 0. And they're 2 and 5, and they're going into the buy. And they may say goodbye to Kyler. I don't even know. So here we go. We got news. News and notes from Around the League. Presented by Progressive Insurance. I wish that, because Jason, you know, you look like you were a certifiable guaranteed loss this week in League of Record and you're not now. Yeah. I wish that there was some sort of like fair and equitable way. To undo the trades that we made that ruined me? No, I'm fine with the trades. Oh, okay. Because I traded for Darren Waller from you and he got me zero and I traded for the Steelers and they got me negative one. I replaced, I replaced Zach Ertz and the Rams.
Yeah. Oh, you would have. I would have, I would have, I would have beat you, Mike. I would have beat everybody. It really changes. Not for Andy Holloway. Subtraction by addition. It changes everything I was going to say from this point on. I don't even know if I want to say it anymore. All right. Say it. But Mike, Mike was. i think you called jason whiney this morning yes and what i was saying is if jason happens to win this week i wish there was just some machine that would punch him in the face for every time he said he was going to lose okay i would take that and he would accept you would i would 100% take that i would take that like i took 400 from you yeah okay so we made a bet that i said the cardinals would beat the packers right
And I said I was going to go put it in on draft kings. And I'm like, dude, or somewhere. The Cardinals are not winning that game. Do the bet with me. And it was like, let's make a hundred dollar money line was plus 300. So I'm like, he's like, let's just do it. I'm the book. Yeah, he's like, well, I don't want to bet with you because I'm going to get odds on on the book. And I'm like, let me be the book. I'll give you the same odds. I'll give you 300 if we lose. So we do the bet and about, uh, cardinals have a big lead. And he's like, I'm going to send you 300 right now. So later you have to send me 400.
So it feels worse. So he sends me Apple pay 300 bucks and then the Cardinals blow it at the end of the game. And then I send him 400. And he goes, man, that's a lot. You just had to send me. So all right. We're in. We are stupid. We're into the news. Pukunakua expected to return to the lineup in two weeks after the buy. That's good news. Mike Evans and Abuca for tonight are questionable. I had this. I mean, yesterday was a lot of football. Okay. I'm watching the night game. I even posted in our channel. If you guys hear anything, Abuka, let me know. That's because my brain thought there was another game. I thought I was in Monday night when there's the double games. I'm sitting there going, why haven't I heard anything about Abuka? Being active or not? Yes, I was freaking out. It's tonight. And he has a real shot to play, according to Adam Schefter. That's great. Evans is really expected to play. I know he's a game time decision, but not really. Right. So he's active, essentially. And then Ibuka, that'd be really.
surprising but awesome if he plays. Now, are you worried about him if he plays? I am. I talked about him on Sunday live and said just my personal take on it with if I have a Buka and I had someone who was like a decent option, that's the way I would go. It's really difficult to not do the start your studs, but to be a game time decision with the hamstring. I mean, chance of reaggravation extremely high. Chance that he is just a decoy out there. We've seen that so many times with guys who are like they, they're game time decisions. They're stars. You got to play them and then. Chance this game has 60 points scored though. I know. It's a very, very difficult personal decision. Let me give you an exact decision because there are people that certainly waited and are waiting on him tonight and the alternatives. Let me give you two. Okay. Jaden Higgins. Christian Kirk is out. Yeah. Jaden Higgins, alternative one. Okay. Okay.
alternative to tess johnson if i'm not playing him i'm playing him abuka over tez for sure okay so so a lot of people going into monday night i think with those two from the same team i think i'd play abuka over both of those guys if you had waited i think i'm gonna should he be active i'd play him over the other two guys it was just a if you give me the whole sunday slate yes i would have done that and i Yeah, at this point, you have a great game. I'm freaked out. At this point, managers have made their decision. They are right. If you're waiting, you waited, and then if he's active, you play him. If he is inactive and you have those two pivots. So if Abuka's not playing and you can either play Tess or Higgins, that's a really close call. And I lean Higgins out of the body. I'd play Higgins over Tiz. Yeah, it's just that game script. That Detroit Tampa game, that should be awesome. Should be.
Jaden Daniels left early with a hamstring injury, getting an MRI today. So Jaden Daniels could miss some more time. Bryce Young. That's a weird one, too. I don't remember a hamstring injury on a tackle. Like maybe it's common, but I don't remember that. He was running. Did you see him running on the way to the locker room? I was like, oh, he's going to be fine. Gave a thumbs up coming out of the blue tent. Yeah, but he was injured on a tackle. Yeah, it hurts. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Does it hurt? Yes. It hurts badly. Bryce Young left with an ankle sprain now determined to be a high ankle sprain. He is going to miss some time. Andy Dalton, who loves him some Xavier Legate. Yes, he does. Xavier Leggett was five of seven, five, five catches seven targets from Andy Dalton in that brief stretch. How did, like, how did Tommy Trimble work out? Oh, dude, I was only 15 and a half yards away from hitting.
Okay. Okay. You were real, real close. How did you feel every single catch that Leggett had, Jay? So every catch that Legate has. Nine per 92 with a touchdown. Currently the wide receiver 11 on the week. He was very good. I hope this becomes another Devante Adams, where it's like you think a player stinks, you know, a couple years into his career. And then it's like, wow, he turns it on because. I remember, you know, I was a believer in the, the, what was it, North Carolina or I forget what, not North Carolina, um, South Carolina, um, one of them. I was a believer in that weird fifth year breakout. I thought his tape was great and I really liked him. And that's why I have such disdain for him as a, as a wide receiver now. It's because he let me down. So I mean, like what I'll be doing with Henderson. Right. You're gonna hate, you're gonna hate his bones.
Michael Pennix Jr. appeared to suffer a leg injury late into the Sunday night loss. Ankle got rolled up on probably fine. Don Tavian Wick's calf injury. Yeah, read this one, Annie. Darren Waller left early with a peck injury and did not return. That's... Give up a fourth rounder. That's not good. He's getting an MRI on it. We'll see that. I mean... Oh, man. That went south. Hopefully he's okay because that could be it. Yeah, if he tore his peck, that could be the season ender. If it's just a peck strain, then great. Then more ramps. It is going to ramp the ramp. He's great with ramps. I've had a weird, a weird touch with sending players away from my team this year. You truly have. I traded, I traded Burrow. You're just pull the pin. You're like, shink. Yeah, and then you hand the, and you're like, hand the other guy the grenade. I mean, I traded Debo and Bill Kroski two weeks ago. Yeah.
That team isn't pleased. I traded you, Darren Waller. You're not pleased. I traded Breece Hall. They're not pleased. Um, Burrow. It's like a post-trade Reaper thing going on. It's wild. If I trade them directly to my opponent that week, they do well. That's playing against you. Yeah. Kendrae Miller left early. Oh my gosh. Kendrae. This body was supposed to be your revenge game and you proved. He does his body doesn't like football. Cole Comet. Do you think on the other side line, Dennis Allen was like. Oh, yes. Classic. That's him. That's so him. I told you guys this was going to happen this game. That sucks, though. Paul Comette left with a back injury. Oh, that one's significant. If Poulson Loveland is going to be out there more. Yeah. So.
All right. That was news and notes sponsored by progressive insurance quote today at progressive.com. Progressive casualty insurance company affiliates and third party insurers. Not available in all states or situations coverage subject to policy terms, limits and conditions. Let's take a break. Before we jump into our studs and duds, it is important that we take a moment and reflect on the most insane thing that happened again this week. We have a chopped. Oh my gosh. Oh, yes. Yes. We have a chopped guillotine style leak. And there is a team. Now, I am still in this league. Yeah, do you want to know why? Yeah, I know exactly why you're still. Because you haven't watched the tape yet. Al Borland, who I will put on camera right now. Al Borland has how many points in the league? Like, were you, I mean, it's a 17 team. Were you like at the beginning? I was the top scoring team in the league so far. On the year.
Yes. Yeah, just not a one. 17. Averaging like 12 points more than at everybody every week. At Pook and Akua's on your team. All you have to do is not finish last. Right. Okay. To not get shot. Pretty easy. And you picked up, uh, who'd you pick up this week? All right. I got a steal on Brock Bowers. Just what was it? Like 36 bucks on a thousand dollar fan. I mean, Jason paid 500 and something for him. Yeah, I did. So Jason, you had Brock Bowers. I picked up Brock Bowers. So the guy got chopped who had Brock Bowers, which was surprising. So that's number, that's one shot. That's one chop. Bowers been chopped one time. So I was like, I'm going to go. Oh, the person who drafted Brock. Yeah, the person that drafted him. I'm going to spend up. There's only one Brock in the league. So I'm going to spend half my budget. And I got Brock and got chopped. You're done. Yeah. You're chopped. And then he went back to the. He went back to the wire. That guy got picked up for a couple hundred bucks. Yeah, two, two 50. Chopped seven days later.
Then we made a joke that no one wants to get him. He almost went unclaimed. I mean, 31 bucks on Fab in that league is nothing. Out of $1,000. Yeah. And then, yeah, I think that week his backup went for more than that. Yeah, mayor. Yeah. And, and you got him on your super team. Chopped seven days. You're done. You're officially chopped? I'm not officially chopped. I need 34 points from Monty and Leporta tonight. So you're chopped. If I get those, then you're chopped. Yeah, but you have. Oh. Wait, wait. I'm second. Oh, no. But I'm getting chopped. Let's be real. That's awesome. So I can't wait to watch waivers next week and see like, does anybody touch him? Yeah, because he's going to be tempting. Yeah, he's going to come off the buys. He's hurt. Yeah, exactly. I could use Bowers. Pay up. I'm tempted. I mean, obviously, everyone should be going after Brock Bowers on the waivers. Unbelievable. Seven days.
Let's talk some studs. This week's fantasy stud muffins presented by Lowe's. Again, Bo Nix. Bo Nix with I think the most fantasy points for a Broncos quarterback in a long, long time. I believe it's the second most. I remember the Peyton. Behind a Peyton game. Peyton had seven touchdown. And Bo Nix over 40 fantasy points and had less than four points when he was going to the fourth quarter. That's less than four? Yeah, he's terrible game. They were shut out. This is why I picked it to begin with before I unpicked it. Because sometimes our offense doesn't show up. They just look inept. Bo Nix looks terrible. The offense looks terrible, which is what they did the entire game. And Bo Nix is the number one fantasy quarterback on the week by a wide match. I mean, long term, I don't even know what to make of this. But next week, Bo Nix gets Dallas.
That's fun. Yeah. That's fun. Yeah. Man, they are. I've said this several times. I said this yesterday. My favorite part of the National Football League in 2025 is the Dallas Cowboys defense. That is my favorite thing to watch. It's not Bill. It's not Bill's favorite. Oh, man. Well, yeah, there's issues there. We'll talk about that in another segment. Justin Herbert in a barn burner. I mean, that game, that game seemed like an unmitigated blowout. And yet. You kind of thought the Chargers were going to come back the entire game because Herbert was, what, 400 plus passing yards? Bo Nix and Herbert, similar thing. Just the game script hit in the best possible way for them. And I'm, it's, I mean, it's insane to me how a team can just be so inept. And then they're like, hey, guys, we're down a whole bunch. Let's just throw the ball. They know exactly what we're doing. And then it works. But Bo Nix and Herbert.