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Trending or Ending + Dynasty Timeline, Yacht Talk | Fantasy Football 2024 - Ep. 1560

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DK Metcalf is the top-15 bouncer

DK Metcalf is pictured with his face against the glass outside the top 15, then welcomed inside, then called the bouncer and told he is not on the list.

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Jason wants a lake yacht in landlocked Arizona

Jason admits he wants a yacht even though Arizona is landlocked, leading to questions about storage, lake yachts, and whether a small boat qualifies as a yacht.

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Pluto yachts and the Chinook problem

The hosts compare yacht size to Pluto’s planetary status, imagine helicopters delivering yachts, settle on tandem-rotor Chinooks, and then worry about Boeing and plug-door bolts.

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Listener League has nine spots left

The mailbag describes a Listener League opening with nine spots left and points listeners toward a UDK entry path.

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Episode notes

The episode’s durable material is a long yacht argument: Jason wants one despite being landlocked in Arizona, the hosts debate lake yachts, strip “yacht” status from smaller boats, imagine helicopters carrying them, and eventually land on tandem-rotor Chinooks, millions of cars, Boeing, and four-bolt plug doors. DK Metcalf is alternately denied and admitted by the top-15 bouncer. The mailbag closes with Listener League and dynasty openings.

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you know, 1,300 plus yards last year. But I, yeah, I think your experience will be more consistent with Metcalf. I wonder what they, are they pretty close? Let me, let me check the consistency for Matt Calfe. Yeah, he's better. 58.8% of the time with a meaningful performance of 10.5 or more compared to 47% for DJ Moore. And look, they finish 10 spots apart from each other. So that shows you. It's not all in that fantasy finish. And this is the time of the year that that's all people look at. Yeah, they just say, well, he finished as the wider receiver six. We've got a truth series that we do exiting the season. If you haven't listened to that, you can go back and listen to the truth about wide receivers, part one, part two. We talk about these guys. It's not just how they finish. It's what was the process that did they help you win games. DJ Moore super helped you win that one game. I mean, you won their game against Washington and week whatever. But.

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He hurt you more often than not. So, yeah. Now, here's the question, though. Trending or anything about not being a top 15 line receiver, he'll probably be outside my top 15. They brought back Lockett. You weren't there last week when we talked about the restructured contract that kind of threw some cold water onto JSN's breakout because it's a lot of committed, guaranteed money to Tyler Lockett. So Metcalf is one of a three-headed monster. He is the biggest, strongest, fastest of them all. Yeah, I mean, he's been, like, I realize he's been outside the top 15 the last two years. And that can sound like a real poo thing. But he's been the wide receiver 18 and the wide receiver 16 before that 12 and 7. He's, he is a top 20 wide receiver. Yeah, if the top 15 are hanging out inside, he's like his face is smashed against the glass. Yeah. He, he, he's allowed to go in and talk to the guys. Yeah, he's been there before. He doesn't have his own ticket. You can't like, the bouncer is going to be like.

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dude you could come in here right you know you're not like you're allowed i get it you played one less game right exactly so yeah i i you know what for that reason i'm gonna say ending because d k mckef is allowed is allowed inside the top 15 i think he will be allowed in the building okay all right and and honestly if you're a bouncer you let him in anyways yeah he's the bouncer he's the bouncer he's the bouncer he's you're not on the list. Okay. And he ends up back and walks right in. I thought you were going to say he said, I am on the list. Yeah, I see my name. It's right here. Trending or ending, David and Joku, the line set as a top six fantasy tight end. Will he repeat? He finished at six, but he was the tight end one from week seven on. That's a long run. He wasn't close to the tight end two. He was so dominant.

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David Najoku, it's really important to realize what happened at the end of last year. Oh, I realized the heck of it. Oh, yeah. I know. He got you a title. I mean, if you had him, you, you won. I mean, there's a, he's one of the most rostered, you know, championship winners because of what he did the entire second half. He did it through the playoffs. 11, 5, 12, 10, 7, 8, 26, 2, 2, 3, 3. That's fantasy finishes. Wow. It's unbelievable. He was so good. So now you're saying just top six when he was so dominant. But let's talk about names. Missing pieces. Let's talk about names. Yeah, let's go through it. You're going to put Kelsey above him. He's coming back. He plays for Mahomes. He's going to be there. They're the chiefs. But I get it. I get it. Loporta? Leporta, you're going to put above him. Andrews. Assuming health, you got to put Mark Andrews above him. That's three spots of the five. Okay. So now he's four.

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So now here's the questions. Trey McBride, I would put ahead of David Nojoku. If I'm sitting there in a draft today, because of the fact that you're not coming right back with Joe Flacco in Cleveland, yes, McBride's ahead. And now here's to me the final name. It's going to be Kincaid, right? It is Dalton Kincaid, Kittal, who had his awesome strangers as well. All the case, Kincaid, Kittle. That's enough. And I would say, you know, maybe Pitts. explodes. So for me, with the news of Jerry Judy getting this monster contract, he said top six. He did say top six. So yeah, I'm taking, I'm doing it. You're doing it? You're going to repeat. How much of this is your heart? How much is this is 38% loyalty? Okay, that's, yeah, it's a minority. Yeah. I'm still going to take him outside. I'm going to take him outside the top six. Well, how many, I got, I got 10 fingers, right? Yes, you do. And the ring from my championship goes on one of them.

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Right? That's the percentage that is my heart. That amount. About 10%. Ten percent. Kencaid's never done it. Pitts has never done it. And this run wasn't three weeks long. McBride has only had half a season. Andrews can't stay healthy. There are easy arguments to make against most of these options. I think he can do it. I think top six makes sense. I definitely think he can do it. 81 receptions. I also think Dalton Schultz needs to be talked about. you know, in those lines as well as a potential top six guy. I can agree, especially with Stroud year two. Um, final year of Omari Cooper's contract, part of maybe why they spent the money on Judy. And then you brought up Judy, them wanting him to be the second target. Here's some breaking news for you. Um, they wanted that from him in Denver for every single year of his career. He wants don't always. Yeah. They're not always realized. No. I think I want to ya.

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Like, I'm not positive because I feel like the upkeep. You don't know if you want a yacht. Well, the upkeep would be bad and I would never use it. You know, we're landlocked here in Arizona. But I still think I want a yacht, but I'm not going to get a yacht, you know? And so that's like you. Where would you store it? Probably in the ocean is my guess, right? Isn't that? I was trying to see. Are there lake yachts? There's lake yachts. If the lake's big enough, right? Like just Tahoe. They got to get helicoptered in though, right? Oh, how do you build them on the water? How do you get a yacht to a lake? Hey, let's ask the cruise guy over there. No, no, no, no, no, really, really quick because this is so important to me. Yeah. These yachts that are called yachts that are still small boats, they're not yachts. You're saying that a yacht can't be a yacht unless it meets a size requirement. A size, not just like the Pluto planet situation. Exactly. It's like, oh, that's, yeah, okay, you can call it a planet if you're a kid. Right. Because you don't know the science, but it's not a planet. Right.

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It's not big enough. So would you consider stripping yacht status from certain boats? Oh, yeah, for sure. Kids can still call them yachts. But I don't know how they get those to lakes if they are even in lake. You know, Al, you're sitting here and you think I'm crazy. They got to, they can't bring in boats on helicopter. I don't think so. Yeah, I think so. I'm not an expert, but I think they're dropping a yacht in a lake via helicopter. What are they doing? If they do, they're not cutting the cord. They're not just like, okay, bombs away. Yeah, I mean, I think helicopters could play a big role in this whole Jason wanting a yacht situation. I know people are furiously vetting it back there. Have they ever delivered a yacht via helicopter? So the problem is a lot of yachts have helicopter pads. And so when you search for helicopter yacht, I guess they're bigger than I thought, huh? They must be big. The helicopter lands on the yacht. It's not carrying the yacht. If that's true.

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Hmm. You're going to need like those... How big are yachts, man? What are those, what are those big like two propeller... They're called two propeller helicopters. No, they're not. No, what are you talking about? Yeah, I'm talking about the helicopters. They have like the propellers in the back and the front, like the big military. Yachts can be delivered by helicopters to provide flexibility for business operations. Yeah, but those are Pluto yachts. Okay. These are called tandem rotor. Thank you. Tandem roter. So really, it is two. Yeah. Two propeller helicopters. There's not a secret word for a helicopter. Well, no. Like if it's got two rotors, it doesn't count as a helicopter. No, I thought it had like a like a name like oh no, I did. I was thinking of a Chinook. That's a yeah, that's it. That's what I was that's the name I was looking for. All right. Um, where were you on the David and joke of top six? I'm out. I think he's, I think he's right there. I definitely think he can finish there. But with the Jerry Judy signing and the other up and coming, um, tight ends.

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the young guys, the McBrides, the Kincaids, and obviously LaPorteur that I have ahead of them, I'll push him out. All right. I won't push him out. I'll give you, I'll give you a chance out there to consider the yacht takes as we take another break and come back in just a minute. It's a pretty good point you made about the, like, if it has a helipad on it, maybe it can't, maybe it can't be lifted by it. But a couple. That means they got to build it, right? Like a lake yacht then has to be built on site. Can you drive it in? They can tow them.

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Wait a minute. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. You just told they got a helipad on the thing and that means that the helicopter can't lift it, but you can tow. How many cars can you fit on one of those yachts? Hundreds, thousands? Not thousands. Millions. You're telling me you could tow a yacht, but you can't carry a yacht in the air. There's different size yachts. It depends what size. What made you the yacht authority? You asked me. That'll do it. All right. Also, the Chinook is. Boeing. So maybe don't lift a boat with that. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah, I mean, watch out. You just, you just got to make sure the plug doors have four bolts. That's all. Okay. All right. I want to do one more trending or ending here before we close it down. Maybe get some mailbag. It's a tough one. Travis E.T.N. as a top 10 running back.

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He was number three last year. Mm-hmm. On the back of a ton of touchdowns in the first half of the year. Which I give him all the credit for in the world for doing. He did do it. It's not easy to score a bunch of touchdowns. The disproportionality between the first and second half was tremendous. The disproportionality between top 16 defenses and bottom 16 defenses was tremendous. He was almost 10 points different between the two. The first half of the... Season for him before the by week, he averaged 18.8 fantasy points per game was absolutely outstanding. The last nine games of the year after their by week, 11.4 was very, very disappointing. I mean, Doug Peterson said they wanted to reduce his workload, but they also tried to do that last year. It didn't work. No. I don't think Tank was ready to step up, Tank Bigsbeat. Yeah, and he's not going to be. He's not going to be ready. You don't think there's any chance that he did? There is a chance, yes, but it's low likelihood to me.

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Maybe don't start with some goal line fumbles this year, Tink, but... I was disappointed in a lot of what I saw from Travis E.TN, you know, sub-for-carry, and you saw it on the field. There were plays where I just kept expecting him to break the tackle, hit the edge, and he didn't get there. He did score a ton of touchdowns and was a true volume play. I mean, this guy was on the field, 73% of the snaps. I think it won't be a bad idea. to lower his volume a little bit and allow his efficiency to increase. I am in on Travis Etyn, and I will have him as a top 10 running back. I think the Jaguars still see him as the centerpiece of that running back room, and they're going to need him. And the offense, even though I'm not a believer in Trevor Lawrence as a superstar, Trevor Lawrence is an average NFL quarterback, and that's good enough to have a good offense.

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He'll have touchdown opportunities again. Just like you said, like you don't, you're not holding it against them that he scored a bunch of touchdowns. That's also pretty cool. It's a good feature. And they seem committed to this running back room. I don't expect them to add anybody else. They re-signed to Ernest Johnson, thank Biggsby's on the roster, and Travis Ctian is there. So, I mean, if they added Zeke and you'd worry about goal line or something stupid, then that would change my view. But. I don't think they're going to add anybody. He had 340 opportunities this last season. If they were to take that number down to 300, I think you'll still have a top 10 running back. They were also to, you know, he had a lot of work to do. 31st ranked offensive line when it came to run blocking submarine their season. Yeah, and he is good. I don't want to put, I don't want to poo him saying, you did a little papu in. You said he didn't get the edge and that really hurt. Yeah, and that's why I want to say. I do believe he is a good, talented,

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Still young enough, explosive running back. He's 25 years old. So top 10 trending or ending? Trending. I'll have him as a top 10 running back. It's a hard bar because you can't get hurt to do it, obviously. You really can't. You can't. You know, there's so many running backs out there. You know, you're going to be talking about right now the underdog best ball. I'm going to read you the order. Okay. CMC. Bejan. Breeze. Okay. Gibbs. Kyran. There's the answer. Taylor. Taylor's six. Yeah, Sequin seven. I would take all six of those ahead. Yep, Sequin, seven. I take Sequin, eight. Okay. Eight Chan. Eight Chan. Well, that's a website. Don't go there. No, don't. Is it? Is it? I thought it's four Chan. The both of them probably exist. Jacobs? Josh Jacobs.

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Jingleheimer Schmidt? I mean, what do you mean Josh Jacobs? What are the Jacobs? I don't know, Brandon. He's back. All right, number 10 is ETN, behind Jacobs. But behind ETN is Henry and Baltimore. I take ETSN over Henry. Rashad White, though, at 12, that's a tough one. So for me, that this confirms. That was very quick for you on the uptake to go to the vintage Brandon Jacobs by the name. I know you'd like that. Yeah. There's a couple, like Josh Jacobs will be behind ETN for me for sure. Devon A. Chan, there's reasons why you would want and prefer someone like Travis E.T.N. over A. Chan. I see E.T.N. in the same kind of tier as Sequin there as the running back seven. He's absolutely worthy of being the seventh pick. I wouldn't take him ahead of the six guys that you first laid out. All right. I think we told you that Brooks would take care of the mail. Oh, yes.

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But I would never, no, I would do that. Yeah, go dozers. Mailbag. Mailbag. Oh, man, like a blowhorn. Yeah, love it. What's a blowhorn? I don't know what that is. An air horn? Maybe that's what I meant. That was, that was good, Brooks. Thank you. Nailed it. You did grow. Oh, in the confidence. You'll love to see it, Brooks. You do. That's a man that, oh, a blowhorn's like those. Is that, that is a thing? Yeah, that's a, that's a thing. That's, that's very loud. All right. If you have a question for the show, you can go to the website, the fantasy footballers.com. That's also where you can find the ultimate draft kit right now. And you can dial our voicemail hotline with the question, 302464 TFFB. We do have a voicemail question waiting for us, Jason. Oh, fantastic. Dare I click this button? All about it. Hey, ballers. Love the show. This is Trey calling in. The commissioner of the Dynasty League. And I really need help with the, I guess, schedule for the offseason.

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When should the league open back up? When should we be able to drop and add players? What's the timeline from the time the Super Bowl ends to before the draft? Thanks, guys. So I can speak to what we do, which is what you should also do. Okay. When the championship game is over and a champ has been crowned. This is week 17 in our league. So you're going into week 18 of the season. We are not into playoffs yet. The Super Bowl has not arrived. And it's next season, baby. Well, you can, you can pick players up. You're in the offseason mode. You could drop guys. You could trade. It's all back active because that's the entire point of a dynasty league is to have fun and be able to do offseason transactions. That's how we do it. Yeah, and I guess I don't.

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I don't mind if you keep it closed down until the Super Bowl and then after the Super Bowl's over, you reopen it back up. Just a forced breath? Just a breath, yeah, just, you know, probably not a lot of action happening in the post-championship pre-Super Bowl period of time anyways. The truth is there's no actual wrong answer. There's no, you know, if you wanted to wait until the NFL draft. and then open it up, you know, the draft kicks off the next season. It's just what your league wants. Yeah, ultimately what we're, I think what Jason's trying to convey is that like, what makes the Dynasty League great is the fact that you have activity year round. You can be thinking about your team if you want to. People don't have to be hyperactive for the couple weeks after the Super Bowl if they don't want to do. But leading up to the draft, you, you really want to be able to like trade picks, call your shots. I mean, there's been tons of free agent signings for us since the Super Bowl.

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Yeah. I mean, just little cursory flyers. You're saying our waivers in our own waivers in our own league. People have added, what, Colby Parkinson, who got picked up for a bigger deal than expected. And it's just important that you make sure you relay the rule set to everybody. with advance notice. Yeah, you can't just open it up quietly and be like, let me get all the guys. That's right. Also, you know, FAB has operated differently. You might be on a waiver system, but if you're on a FAB system where you've got a free agent acquisition budget, we personally have an in-season and an off-season budget. So basically it's $100. That's your allotment that you get. We, on kickoff, when that ball is kicked from the T, we reset the in-season to 100.

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for waiver transactions. And then when the champion is crowned and we start the next league year, we reset it to 100 for the offseason. YouTube question. LJ. wants to know late to the party, do you have any openings for the listener league? We do have openings to the listener league. We have, let's see, there's 14, it's a 14 team lead. Yeah. We've already given away one. And we're three of those teams. And we're three of those teams. And there's a champion, unfortunately, it wasn't us. So that makes it 10 and we've given one away. So that makes it nine. Okay. Nine spots left. We just $1,600 a spot. My zeal is, uh, no, no, no, no. These are way more valuable than that. Um, we will open it up at some point, um, nearer to the season. Pay attention for submissions. We'll say it once on the show and once only. And then we'll, that will tell you how to submit it and you can apply. And then we, you know, we do contests as well. As you say, if you.

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Pick up the ultimate draft kit. You're going to give yourself an opportunity. I'm going to say it like that. Yeah, I mean, we do a couple of giveaways based on people that have, you know, supported us and gotten the ultimate draft kit. And every time that we do that giveaway, anyone who has previously got it is in it. So like we just did a giveaway. And if you bought the UDK but you didn't win that giveaway, well, you're entered in the next giveaway as well. YouTube question from Adrian, dynasty question. What's the latest? I'm sorry, what is the least you would take for Kyron Williams in a dynasty league? Jason is probably wearing like Kyron Williams underpants. Yes, I am. Just his face. It's a cartoon. It's a cartoon. It's just a drawing. Let's not get into details. I don't want to know where any of the graphics are on the underpants. It's just a pattern. I'll show you. No, okay. What's the least you would take? I mean, that's a little bit of a.

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A strange question. I think it all depends on your view of Kairn. Well, your view of Kyrin and, you know, if you're saying like rookie picks, your view of the incoming rookie class, right? Kyrin Williams was the running back six and didn't play five weeks of the NFL season last year. He had 1,100 rushing yards and 12 touchdowns. The offense is the same. He was just so heavily utilized. If you looked at weeks 12 through 17. He would have averaged 371 attempts for almost 2,000 yards and 17 touchdowns. Now, you know, he doesn't have the draft capital or the contract to say he is the future of the Rams no matter what. Agreed. It's a fifth round pick. He's not been paid big money. And that is your risk. That is the risk you accept with Karen Williams in a Dynasty League versus, I don't know, Sequin, right? Like if you put those two players up.

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Which one would you rather have in a dynasty league? I think it's okay to answer either way. Yeah, I think it's okay. For me, it is an easy, Kairn, but you can make an argument that the draft capital coming into the NFL, the new massive contract, and the history should side you on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the, on the question is like, so let's put this to a rookie draft pick. The lowest that I would take if this is a non super flex startup, I would not trade Kairn for Caleb Williams.

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So whatever that is, that's like the 106 usually right now. I would not trade him for Troy Franklin. I would not trade him for Brian Thomas Jr. So for me, the lowest I would go is probably 103 with those big three wide receivers. Yeah. There you go. It'll be interesting. Like I just have this, I think Conron could. Are you more anti-Kairn? I know I'm like crazy pro-Kairn. I think I'm like normal Kairn, maybe. Okay. And you're just like crazy. But what, I guess the question is, what is normal? What do you think the average person thinks about Kairn? I think that the average person's pretty into Kairn. Yeah, I guess I'd be slightly down from there, like a step. Like if there's a certain, you're on a staircase. You're at the top of the staircase. Sure.

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in the average person's in the middle of the staircase, I'm just like a step below. You're like a step below looking up because you're ready to, you are ready to leave the staircase. I'm willing to take some steps down. You're ready to, you want a head start so that if people start exiting, you're like, I'm out the door first. Cam Acres, Todd Gurley, Sony Michelle. These were leading rushers for an entire season for the Rams. So there is a little bit, the part of me that has me two steps below the middle is the part that says, well, Shanahan makes it work with anybody.

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And that part tells me that McVeigh could get, McVeigh can produce a number one running back with Cam Acres at the end of the season, or Sonny Michelle, or, you know, Darnell Anderson. But Kyrant, like I think Kyron's pretty darn good. So if they're committed to him, I think he's top five. That's the real question is, are they committed to him? And I, that's where I'm in, because I am, my belief is that they're fully committed to. Right. Because when they were fully committed to Gurley. You know, he was the running back one. Then the next year he was the running back one. Then, you know, he was the guy for a long stretch. Obviously, the wheels fell off. First round draft pick. For sure. No, a lot easier to be committed to Gurley than to Kyron Williams. Not just first round draft pick. If you want to throw the negatives out there, the yellow and red flags, his body size is not one that makes you go, eh, he can, he can handle a workhorse role for three years. You just, maybe he can't. He is, what's funny is, I don't think Kyron is.

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like above average at several things but I don't think he's super great at one like he's not he's not the most explosive athlete he's not the best pass catcher in the league he's not the best goal line back in football he but he just he doesn't have his superpower like like A chance speed no he just does a bunch of stuff pretty darn good yeah well pretty darn well Superman does good yeah I Let's close it out here because I did want to talk about this player. Maybe we end with a spicy take. But YouTube question from Jacob Noonan, what do you all think about Jordan, Addison's dynasty value without Kirk Cousins? And I have a hot take. Oh, okay. All right. Then I know what your take is. You do. I think so. If you can predict what I'm going to say. Okay. Because I'll tell you, I'll give you a hint.

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My take is that I view a certain less liked player more than Addison. Oh, a certain less liked player. Yeah. I mean, I couldn't guess that, but I'm going to say, I figured your take would be something like Jordan Addison as John Dodson or Jordan Addison. Oh, okay. Who's your player? Jameson Williams. Okay. I think Jameson Williams, I might prefer him to Addison in a dynasty league. But the question is. Is that pro Jameson Williams or is that anti Jordan Addison? A little bit of both, baby. Okay. It's a little bit of both. I like Jameson more than the average man. I know that Kyle has, I mean, he might have turned off his microphone in his headset and quit the show by now, just hearing that. But yeah, I'm worried about Addison. I think that's the headline you wanted, which is I'm worried about when the best deep passer in the league departs, I'm worried about you. When it's Sam Darnold, I'm worried about you.

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When you're never going to be the one, I'm worried about you. Yeah, I mean, it's a little early to know who the quarterback is. Obviously right now it is Sam Darnold, but all the rumors and the transactions that they've made. Okay, make it J.J. McCarthy. Now how excited are you for Addison? I would be slightly less excited with J.J. McCarthy than even Darnold. But not from a dynasty perspective. From a dynasty perspective, I would love if they get J.J. McCarthy. I think McCarthy is good. and can produce a lot. I also believe Jordan Addison is a very good wide receiver. He is very good. Do you think Mooney's a good player? I think Mooney is a good player, but nowhere near what Addison is. I don't think Mooney is as good a route runner is as good at getting open as, as, Addison. Addison season was pretty wild because you didn't really, you had like two. A ton of touchdowns. Yeah, you had two numbers. Like this is a, his whole season independent.

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