Stack Attack + Fantasy Blind Spots - Fantasy Football Podcast for 6/29

On today's episode, we give you our three favorite stacks, wide receivers, and the quarterback position based on their current ADP. We jump into the mailbag with your questions. And Jason gets another nickname. Make sure you like, subscribe, leave some comments about Jason's brand new nickname. Enjoy. Hey, this is Patrick Mahomes, quarterback to the Kansas City Chiefs, and you're listening to the Fantasy Footballers podcast. To the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore. and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. Thursday, June 29th. Mike Wright, the fantasy hitman himself in the building. Jason Moore, Andy Holloway. Jason's still head bobbing. I liked my intro. It was like, Mike, the fantasy hitman, right? He's here in the building. Jason's here, too. Yeah.

And Jason. Yeah. Hey, guys, don't worry about me. Okay, you move on. Just talk a little bit more about Mike. All of your nicknames are, they're there for a day or two. Yeah. And they're gone. I could have gone. The squatch. The quatch is back or whatever it was. A big, big shimmy. Yeah. Double stuff. Yeah. Big gravy. Nothing's really a big gravy. That's more, isn't that around here? Yeah, that's Fuzball. I mean, if you have something, Mike named himself 10 years ago. Actually, I was thinking about this. And I thought of a nickname that I wanted. Like, I would I want to take it? This is big news. Completely forever. The fantasy hitman. What do you think? I think I would like that. You're in. Yeah. So Jason, the fantasy hitman. Yeah, I don't have to take it from you, Mike. We'll just share it. Yeah.

It's a different... I just want some copyright allowance. It's like boxing. I mean, so many boxers have, you know, like... The people's chant. Yeah, or like the sweetness. I was thinking of Walter Payton, but there's plenty of guys in boxing who have the same nickname. Yeah, why don't you start the intro over and give us both what we deserve now? I don't know if I'm supporting this. I might go back to Quatch. Okay. Whether you like it or not. If we do that, Jason, then we can be the fantasy hit men. Ooh, together. When we're in the same room. Yeah. I don't know how I like that. Welcome into the show. We've got a good quick question for you today. Not a lot of news to talk about. Kind of a lull when it comes to. I mean, you can only talk about hypothetical Dalvin Cook destinations and DeAndre Hopkins trying to generate more interest. Money.

from other teams so many times. So we're just wait for that news to break. But mailbag on the show today, basketball breakdown. We do have a couple of announcements. One, it's big. Saturday, the draft analyzer is out. It'll be available. And it is. I mean, we've upgraded it every year, but it's awesome. Like, you know, we're not only testing it, but using it on our own teams. You can, if you've done any drafts. Whether you do a mock draft, you can put it in manually, or whether you've got a league that's a dynasty league and it's done, or you do a new draft now or in draft season, you can import your rosters from Sleeper, ESPN, or Yahoo, or put them in manually, and it will grade your team. It'll give you what we think, you know, what is the quality of this roster. It'll talk about your strengths, your weaknesses. It'll break it down by position. It'll even tell you which one of us three ballers likes your team the most.

Based on how we have players ranked. I always find interesting because, and I love this validation in the tool, but every single time that Mike or myself or Andy uses this tool, it's always ourself. I'm like how Jason likes my team the best. Because yeah, it's great. Thank goodness. No personal biases at all. It's just. Just facts. Yeah, I mean, different ways to play. So that's available on Saturday with the UDK Plus. You can get the Ultimate Draft Kit at ultimate draft kit.com. And if you have the regular UDK and you want to upgrade so you can access it, very easy to do from your account page. The Dynasty podcast. Oh, baby. Mike tells me yesterday's episode was.

Top 10. It was excellent. We talked about the top 10 Dynasty Startup Tips. We talked about back in the day when you would read books to try and get a free Pizza Hut pizza. I do remember it. And then I'm going to dab myself up. I came up with a very good analogy for drafting wide receivers and running backs for your dynasty startup that you don't want to miss. Okay. Check it out the Dynasty podcast once a week. Borg Betts and then one of us on the show. Mike was on yesterday's episode. You can find us on Twitter at the FF Ballers. You guys ready for the quick question? Let's go. Brooks tells me we have a drop for it. Stack attack. And we had a drop for it. Yeah. Tasty. Favorite quarterback wide receiver stack to target based on their current average draft position. I think the based on current average draft position is very important this year because of the big three.

awesome quarterbacks last year. If you want one of those great quarterbacks who obviously like who wouldn't want a Josh Allen's Thon Diggs stack or a Travis Kelsey Patrick Mahomes stack or AJ Brown and Jalen Hurts like yeah those are great. They're going to cost you at least two of your first three picks. It might be impossible. Your first two picks. Yeah, you might not actually be able to execute on that just because of how high it is. It is very difficult. So I went with what I have the most of. It's a stack that is to me just about the easiest to pull off. And that is the Cooper Cup Matthew Stafford stack because Cooper Cup is someone that I'm willing to take at the 102. I don't think it's crazy to take him at the 101, but I've gotten him at the 109. As in like McCaffrey is locked in. Yes, McCaffrey to me is the 101. And I would take Justin Jefferson in some leagues or Chase. You know, there's arguments to be made. But my point is, Cup is deserving.

of being the number one pick, but you can sometimes get him late in the first round, usually the middle of the first round. And so there's a wide area to grab him, depending on where you are drafting. And then Stafford is free. Stafford is so easy to grab. You can grab him a little ahead of ADP if you've got Cup and complete that stack. That's the, I think, more interesting point in that stack is like taking the shot on Stafford because of where he's ranked. I mean, quarterback. 24 right now. So it is a choice to opt into that stack versus taking a shot on another quarterback later in the draft. But I think we've been saying it. I'll continue to say it until we have a reason not to. Don't underestimate. You know, Mike brought up Van Jefferson as a, was it value? Yeah. Yeah, as a value candidate. Or on the sleeper episode. And we haven't really mentioned his name, but Puka has been, was he?

Kyle fifth round pick. I don't remember it off the top of my head. Fifth round pick. Yeah, fifth rounder. So he's been, he's been picking up some, some buzz. Well, that was another thing we talked about, the dynasty podcast. What a combo, Puka and Tutu. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's two of your wide receivers. That's fantastic. Yeah. But the, there's been a noticeable, at least to me, I don't know if you guys have kind of perceived this, but a, in the time period of let's elevate, let's. puff piece every new player on our team. There's been some high draft capital rookies who I've not heard a single thing about. Now, training camp has started, but you had rookie camps, you had all these things, you had opportunities for these beat reporters to come out and just, just pump the jets for these players. But like, Jaden Reed are the Packers. You heard anything about him? Not much. I'm hearing about Romeo Dobbs. Yeah. So, so the fact that that Puka in the fifth round is getting

some steam here as a possible starter for this team. He's, he is a player that you need to keep an eye on now. Yeah, one other rookie wide receiver that's had that is Michael Wilson out of Arizona in terms of actually, you know, you're talking about one's generating some buzz. Generating some buzz. I'm going to follow Jason's stack selection because I think it's in the same vein in a lot of ways. I like it. And it's the Tyreek Hill to a Tunga Viloa stack. Specifically because you talked about Cup, he could go as high as two or three if you wanted to. Tyreeks in that category just as much as Cooper Cup is. And, you know, we're looking at average draft position in the way that the first round is kind of happening right now. We were looking at our rankings, right? And Josh Jacobs is our consensus number three running back. But it's not like he's ranked three, three among us. It's just that the group beyond basically CMC and Echler.

We have all over the map. I mean, I think one, I think your number two running back Derek Henry, Mike. Is my number 10. Yeah. So the variation between the running backs means that you don't have this like automatic set in stone order that the running backs are going to go. And here you have wide receivers like Chase Jefferson Cup and Tyreek. And you probably put digs in that category. But like you know what you're getting with those guys. And so if you're going to go with the known commodity and Tyreek Hill, then to us sitting there like. I know it from years past with Mahomes, but like when you stack Tyreek with a quarterback. Yeah. Oh, good things happen. Good things happen on that week, but for those two, you don't lose those weeks. And so Tua is really the, yeah, you're taking a gamble with injury, the concussions. At this point.

I'm moving forward to not presuming another concussion, but looking at him like a value in the draft because he's going near the ninth round, and I'll make other, I'll figure it out if he goes down. Yeah, it's worth pointing out that, you know, where Tyreek goes, you know, you are going to be deciding between someone like Tyreek and Stefan Diggs or maybe even Jamar Chase and the counterpart quarterbacks. are going to cost a lot, lot more for those other guys than they do for two. And that means not only does it cost you more to complete the stack, but also lower, much, much lower probability that you can complete the stack. And yeah, you don't want to, again, it might be worth talking, Mike, about general stack philosophy. This is our favorite quarterback wide receiver stack to target at current ADP, but we're not saying.

You always go into your draft targeting a stack, right? Yeah, you don't do that. And then did you guys catch the Josh Jacobs recent? And will I be happy or sad to hear it, Mike, as a dynasty manager of Josh Jacobs? The word holdout has surfaced. Right on. Great. And how many fantasy points do the holdouts produce for my team? Per week, I believe it's zero. Awesome. Right around there. We're still ways off from that. I mean, if you want to post-mortem on the dynasty trade I made and you just want to listen to how things might not go perfectly because we, look, you have to take gambles in dynasty. Sure. You make attempts to. You make calculated gambles. And so I moved Alvin Cook this offseason before this all happened. Which that seems like a home run. But I also moved Ramandre Stevenson. I did it pre-draft.

And I moved those two players to get Josh Jacobs. And there, I mean, there were other pieces, but Josh Jacobs and I think Rahim Moster came over in Jeff Wilson. And right now, Romandry made it through unscathed. I mean, he looks like he is locked and loaded, ready to go. Or Dalvin Cook ends up on the Patriots. And you pulled off an ultimate heist. Well, yeah, or he ends up in Miami and Jeff Wilson and Moster disappear. I mean, these are the. Hold Your Breath moments of Dynasty leagues. But the quote was from Pelliserra. Josh Jacobs, at this point, if there's not a long-term deal, I don't anticipate Jacobs being there at the start of training camp, and I don't know that he shows up week one. Well, I'm going to choose. Still a long ways away. To not believe that. We're a long ways away. That's my choice. But that's not great to hear. But back so. They lose a lot of money, though, in the modern day. Oh, yes. Hold that, right? And he's on a franchise tag paying him.

The big bucks. So him and Saquan will be, it'll be hard to watch them. Like, how long was Gordon out when he actually did it? Melvin Gordon. At least a month. Yeah, I think it was, I want to say six weeks. Mike's got a better memory than I do. Six sounds about right. But I do know that in the new collective bargaining agreement, it is much more difficult. You used to have holdouts all the time, but you lose a lot of money when you hold out right now. And for a running back to lose money, we're just going to hope he doesn't want to do training camp. That's what we're going to hope. Right.

Yeah. Who wants to do training camp? Let's practice. All right, Mike, you've got a stack for us. Also, four games. So congratulations to me. My stack, it is a little bit more difficult to pull off because of ADP. You would need something to bounce. It's a back-to-back round stack, right? You would have to bounce it right in your direction. But I love the value of Keenan Allen right now as the wide receiver 17 going in the fourth round. And I think we're all in on Justin Herbert this year, having a bounce back, having Kellan Moore come in and be his offensive coordinator, having Quentin Johnston be the third wide receiver instead of the other guys that they've had to rely on, or even the wide receiver too as Keenan Allen and Mike Williams go in and out of the lineup. But Herbert, to me, of the guys that are not, you know, we talked about the big three. Justin Herbert.

to me is the one who is the least surprising if he ends up making the jump back to being a truly elite difference maker. So that's why I like him, and I like that stack a little. Stafford could get in there, too. It definitely could. We had a stretch there where it looked like Tua was primed to be a top five quarterback or so. But I think that Herbert can make the jump back up there and going with Keenan Allen, who was just an absolute target machine once he got back on the field. I think that... continues and we get at least one more year of top tier Keenan and before we move on from our favorite stacks i think andy you wanted to talk about stacking in general so that the folk clan can know like should we stack do we need to stack do we have to stack and there are

You can win fantasy a number of different ways. You want to go early round this or late round that. You can win both ways. You want zero RB, heavy RB. You can win both ways. But Matt DeSorbo, one of our great writers, Math Wizard, did this incredible study on stacking. I taught him everything he knows. Yes, you did. Yes, you did, Andy. Thank you. And take that, Matt. He's insulted. Just listen. Andy did this great study. Thank you. On stacking. And it was because in best ball, it's pretty much widely accepted. You have to have like massive explosions. And he just verbally communicated. Disorbo was just more like a stenographer. Exactly what happened. And so when I read Andy's words via Matt DeSorbo, what it was is it really did indicate that even in redraft leagues, even if the players score the exact same amount of points, the fact that the variation comes with.

higher outputs together, it is actually a value in redraft to have a stack. Now, that does not mean that you reach for these players. Yeah, you don't, you don't go into your draft strategy. Not at all. You don't reach a round or two ahead of ADP. You don't, you know, force the issue and grab the stack because stacks are supposed to be good. But it's worth knowing that when you're staring down to quarterbacks. and they're about the same average draft position. And you've got their wide receiver one of one of those two guys. That's the difference maker. Grab your stack. Well, and let me paint a different scenario because, Mike, you mentioned that, you know, Herbert would be one of those guys that you're not surprised pops into the top three, I would imagine. The other name there is Lamar Jackson to me. Yes. Like it wouldn't surprise me if Lamar Jackson. Now, the stack for Lamar, if it's not Mark Andrews, it's not going to be. It is Mark Andrews. It is Mark Andrews. But if you are trying to take a shot,

Again, what I'm saying is if you have Lamar early, sure, and then you're late and you're doing the Rashad Bateman, Beckham Zay Flowers decision making versus somebody in the same tier in the same eighth round, you might go with the player that has that correlation just for that potential upside. And let me, something we buried at the beginning. I love stacking. From a fun perspective, I enjoy it when my team is built that way. Mike made a dynasty trade this offseason very much predicated on, I think, in part, the enjoyment of combining, I mean, you had Justin Fields, you made a move to get Joe Burrow because you had Jamar Chase. It is a very fun way to play fantasy. So when you have that opportunity and then you have the math that I obviously did and DeSorbo kind of got out there and you have that math to back up its upside, it can be a really attractive.

draft strategy if you just don't force it. Do you think it is rude that DeSorbo's name is on that article to you, Andy? To me, it's like a pseudonym. Okay. All right. You know? It's a pseudonym, but it's a real person. Right. I love it. It's not a created fictional alter ego of me. It's just this other guy. Yeah. It's a Harvard educated other guy. Yeah. My pseudonym. Yes. As I would say. Matt Sorbo. Yeah. All right. So anything else you guys want to touch on there in the stack discussion? All right. Let's take a quick break and we'll be right back. Let me just say, I love you, Matt DeSorbo. Yeah. What a talent. Yeah. And welcome to the team, his brother. Yeah. That's exciting. And a bunch of new riders. Check them out. Make sure you follow them on Twitter. Five? Five new riders? Five new riders joining the team. Join in the family. And that's a competitive. They're joining the hitmen. Oh, gosh.

See, the only comfort I have from this whole, like, bit is that your nickname's last a day. Right. And then we move on. So this show will have it. This show, I'm the fantasy hit man. And next show I'll be something different. It's kind of a pseudonym, I would say. Right. Exactly. We might need a Jason nickname shirt. Oh, that's just all my nicknames. Yes. We have, like, every year we come out with this face in the middle with all of the nicknames. I'm going to make a note. All right. Yeah, okay. You ready for the mailbag? Let's go. Mailbag. Mailbag. Oh, yeah. Jason nickname shirt. All right. Hoping into the mailbag. We have Best Ball Breakdown coming up as well. If you have a question for the show, you can head at the website, the Fantasy Footballers.com. Click that, submit a question button, or you can dial our voicemail hotline. 302464 TFFB. Let's jump into a voicemail question. Hey, ballers, huge.

fan of the show. Just wondering about Jerich McKinnon with the Chiefs. They did resign him, and yet he seems like he's not even being drafted in redraft, mock drafts. So just wondering if you should try to pick him up as one of your last picks on your bench or maybe wait and see if he's still on waivers. Thanks. Have a good one. Yeah, so the question is, you know, relevance of Jerich McKinnon after the strong finish to last year. I agree with the caller. Like he has not been talked about enough this offseason. It does seem to me like knowing what the chiefs do, Andy Reid, confidence levels at running back, this is probably a big fantasy blind spot. Because when you're coming off a title that he played a huge role in and teams play the players they trust, they brought them back. You know, I don't think consistency is something you're going to be able to look at from maybe any of the running backs in Kansas City.

They throw, I mean, Jason's brought it up repeatedly. They throw so much around the goal line. So that kind of like automatic situation is gone. And, you know, Clyder Edwards or Lair will be back. That is to me the most interesting point for Jerich McKinn. Jerich McKinn has been pretty valuable two years in a row. Towards the end of last year, he was unbelievable. And it was in the passing game around the goal line receiving touchdowns. In fact, his last 16 games, he had a 17 game pace of 22 receiving touchdowns, which obviously is impossible for anyone, let alone a running back. But that stretch of games, weeks 13 through 18,

Clyde Edwards-Zalier wasn't there. He played through and then I think it was out starting week 12. Yes. So it correlated exactly when Clyde was gone where Derek McKinnon went from a piece of the offense to an important piece of the offense. RB1, RB21, RB6 in the playoffs. In fact, an article on ESPN talking about some of the players standing out at each camp mentioned another running back in Kansas City, Denerick Prince. So you do have a crowded backfield. But he was successful, right? Like this was a success. It wasn't a, you know, de facto, oh, man, we wish Clyde was in there. And he would have been, like, Clyde hasn't been that level of a success. So, yeah, depending how it shakes out, I would take a deep, a late round flyer on Jerich for sure. Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure. I'm less bullish. I'm personally less bullish. If this is, uh, underdog best ball where you're going 18 rounds, absolutely he should be drafted. But if you're talking about your home leagues, your redraft leagues, I think there's probably better options because.

Pacheco should be back. He had off-season surgery. I think it was his ankle. But he should be back. Clyde should be back. The new rookie coming in. And they waited to sign Derek McKinnon until after the NFL draft. I think they see value in him. But he wasn't like necessarily a guaranteed part of their plans. I believe they wanted Jemir Gibbs. And when they didn't get him, they're like, okay. McKinnon, you're back. I mentioned on a recent show talking about, we were talking about Austin Echler, overperforming at touchdowns, how running backs usually have a rushing touchdown for about every 135 rushing yards or so. Well, if you want to look at that for receiving yards, a running back, looking at the entirety of the position, they score a touchdown on about every 189 receiving yards. Last year, Jerich McKinnon had 512.

receiving yards, and nine touchdowns. That puts his touchdown scoring pace compared to average at a 331%. I still think. It's just, it's not, it is not a sustainable thing. I think I'm in on him. Yeah? I do. I, you know, 31? Well, like, are you, I, I just, I know that the trusted players on this team is a short list in the passing game. Let me give it to you. Travis Kelsey, Jerich McKinnon. Like you had Juju Smith-Schuster, he's departed. So you still have, so we're going to talk about Rashi Rice and we're going to talk about Skymore. I'm going to talk about the name I'm forgetting coming over from New York. Cadarious Tony. Well, no, but trust and Cadarious Tony are not corollary. He came from New York. Richie James. Richie James. Thank you, Kyle. Markquez, Valdez, Scantley. This is what I'm saying. Like, from a, from that, we saw it with, Damien Williams.

Yes. If you have trust in the passing game with a player, I'm not saying that you guys are going to be wrong. I'm just saying I think I buy into the fact that he could be a player that you take at the end of your draft and you're starting by week two every week. I can see the path because you saw it happen last year. But again, just highlighting, the takeover for Derek McKinnon happened basically, identically when Clyde Edwards O'Leary was out. And Clyde had that role. to start the year. You had three catches, four, five. And Clyde Edwards, his overproduction at the beginning of the year was all touchdowns as well. So I can see the path. And it's nothingness. You know, it's a really, really low opportunity cost pick. So maybe. It does have to do with your confidence that Clyde will get work back in and that there will be confidence. Like, I don't know. Is this guy fourth on the dub chart? Is he two?

I don't know that right now, and so another camp battle to watch. I think that, I think Clyde will be worked back in. The problem for Clyde is, is not that he's a bad player. It's that the chiefs set themselves up for the expectations of this is a first round running back. And then he wasn't, he didn't have the skill or the talent level to be a first round running back, more like a, third round guy. So if they had drafted him in the third, I think everything, everything on Clyde has completely changed. I bet you wouldn't have them on your dynasty team. Oh, no. I would have Jonathan Taylor on my team. You're right. The truth is that backfield is going to be messy. And that, you know, Jason, you haven't had a lot of confidence in Pacheco as a draft selection either because of the same reason. So this is a questionable decision, Brooks, on this next.

Mailbag question. You allowed a question from a Twitter handle, cabbage farts. I like it. Who amongst us has not had cabbage farts? I try to keep those to a minimum. I mean, due to not eating cabbage. Oh, what? Oh, I love cabbage. You're a big cabbage guy. Oh, I love me. Cook that up. Hmm. Cooked cabbage. It is gross. No, no. Oh, Hawaiian food? Wait, so we've got one cabbage guy on the show? That could be your new nickname, Big Cabbage. Oh, yeah, there you go. He's the hit, man. Yeah, I'm the fantasy hit, man. I do have to find a new name. You're big cabbage? Oh, you guys are wild. Cabbage Patch Kid? Get that, uh, get the Hawaiian barbecue chicken on the cabbage with the broccoli.