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Stack Attack + Fantasy Blind Spots | Fantasy Football 2023 - Ep. 1416

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Jason steals the Hitman name for exactly one show

After the hosts recall that Jason's Quatch, Big Shimmy, and Double Stuff nicknames vanish after a day or two, Jason chooses Mike's decade-old Fantasy Hitman identity 'completely forever.' Mike grants a share with copyright conditions, and together they become the Fantasy Hit Men when in the same room. Jason later admits the identity will last only this show, inspiring an annual shirt with his face surrounded by every discarded nickname.

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Patrick Mahomes opens the show from the archive

A prerecorded Patrick Mahomes voice identifies himself as the Kansas City Chiefs quarterback and tells listeners they are hearing the Fantasy Footballers before the regular host introduction begins.

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The Draft Analyzer validates every host's self-love

The show's roster-grading tool tells users which host likes a team most; whenever Mike, Jason, or Andy runs his own roster, his own rankings supply the most favorable verdict, which the group calls unbiased facts.

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Brooks deploys the tasty Stack Attack drop

The hosts describe the Dynasty podcast as Borg and Betz plus a rotating main-show host, then explicitly credit Brooks with having a produced 'Stack Attack' cue for the day's quick question. Kyle is later queried about draft capital, and Brooks is directly addressed while the hosts preview Saturday mock-draft mayhem; the unlabeled replies are not assigned.

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Andy claims Matt DeSorbo as his Harvard pseudonym

Matt DeSorbo is credited as a great writer and Math Wizard for a stacking study, but Andy jokes that he taught DeSorbo everything and that the article contains Andy's words. When asked whether DeSorbo receiving credit is rude, Andy calls the real Harvard-educated person his pseudonym. The hosts then affirm DeSorbo's talent and welcome his brother plus five new writers into the team and the newly formed Hitmen family.

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Big Cabbage joins Jason's probable nickname pile

A listener handle, Cabbage Farts, reveals one host's enthusiasm for cooked cabbage. That host is offered Big Cabbage and Cabbage Patch Kid; the immediate reminder that he is the temporary Fantasy Hitman and needs a new name makes Jason the likely target, though the unlabeled transcript does not prove it.

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A water bet becomes an A-Robbery

Two unnamed participants settle on 700 Adam Thielen receiving yards for a water bet. The reluctant bettor admits the wager exists mainly to create optimism for a dynasty outcome, leading the hosts to call those self-defeating bets 'A-Robs' and turn the name into the verb 'A-Rob yourself.' Allen Robinson's own dynasty value then enters dirty-diaper range; his unidentified owner considers a vindictive, screen-recorded waiver drop, and Robinson's route disappearance is explained with invisibility clothes.

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Dalvin Cook is muted in real life

An unnamed host is accused of using candles, incantations, and prayers for Dalvin Cook to land in New York, while another says he blocked the possibility so completely that it is muted and absent from his real-life timeline.

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JK1 Leg upgrades to JK2 Legs

The hosts praise J.K. Dobbins for dominating with one strong leg, nickname that diminished version JK1 Leg, and predict that JK2 Legs will be electric and unstoppable now that he has two functioning, repeatedly emphasized strong legs.

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Episode notes

A recorded Patrick Mahomes introduction leads into Mike being announced as the Fantasy Hitman, but Jason immediately objects to his own generic treatment. The hosts recap Jason's short-lived Quatch, Big Shimmy, and Double Stuff names; Jason selects The Fantasy Hitman 'completely forever,' shares it with Mike, and creates the room-dependent duo The Fantasy Hit Men. Everyone knows the promise will last only one show, so they propose an annual Jason shirt with his face surrounded by every discarded nickname. A listener named Cabbage Farts later exposes one host's love of cooked cabbage; continuity with the just-established Hitman exchange makes Jason the likely target of Big Cabbage and Cabbage Patch Kid, but the unlabeled turns prevent certainty. Brooks supplies a 'Stack Attack' drop, while the Dynasty podcast is described as Borg and Betz plus one rotating main-show host. Matt DeSorbo's stacking study becomes a mock credit dispute in which Andy claims he taught the Math Wizard everything, calls the real Harvard-educated writer his pseudonym, then welcomes DeSorbo's brother and five new writers into the family. The hosts also admit their Draft Analyzer always says each of them likes his own team best. A 700-yard Adam Thielen water bet leads to the verb 'A-Rob yourself' for wagers made only to feel optimistic; Allen Robinson's dynasty value is placed in dirty-diaper range, his owner considers a vindictive recorded waiver drop, and his routes are explained by invisibility clothes. Elsewhere an unnamed host literally mutes the possibility of Dalvin Cook joining New York despite the alleged candles and incantations, and J.K. Dobbins evolves from JK1 Leg to unstoppable JK2 Legs with two strong legs.

Inside the episode

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And then you end up with a Twitter handle like this. Yeah, you get the farts. Full PPR keeper question. Cooper Cup in the third, Chris Olavi in the seventh. Ooh, interesting. There's no way I'm not taking it. Yeah, OLAV. It's now like, if you had said Cooper Cup in the first Olave in the seventh, does it change? Probably. I think then I'd take a shot because you could potentially still draft Cooper Cup in the first with your first round pick that you retain. I was going to go the other way. Like how far back does Olave have to go? Is there?

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I don't think there is, I don't think there's a far enough back. If Chris Olaave was there for a 16th rounder, I mean, the difference between the seventh and a 16th, the seventh isn't, you know, the players there, they're okay, you're going to have some hits, but you're going to have a lot of misses there. This is really about having the potential number one wide receiver in all of fantasy, a game breaker, and getting him for a third round pick. So, yeah, it is definitely Cooper Cup in the third. Mike is bringing me. perpetual life with his Chrysolave. Oh, man. Adoration. I am in. I mean. I tried to get him in our dynasty league. Did you? I did. It didn't work. Not get him. I did not trade for him. All right. Okay. So we're all going Cooper Cup there. A couple of IR rules questions. YouTube question. How many IR spots should there be on a 12 team league? Two. Two.

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Okay. Yeah. Sometimes you just need one or do you want to? Sometimes that's just the answer. YouTube question last year, one of my players was suspended and I could not put them on IR. Your thoughts? That's how it works. Yep. The NFL can't either. A suspension is not an injury. Right. That would be great. I'm injured when you're suspended. Emotionally. I'm emotionally hurt and it hurts my team. We've played on several different platforms and we had a year where I think it was on NFL. Oh, is that, yeah, one of the platforms. And we could put our suspended players in the IR, and it felt gross. Yeah, I'm real dirty. I mean, I did it. For sure. If the platform lets you, you got to do it. Yeah, you play to the rules that your platform has, but I don't think a suspended player should be able to put in a spot designed for someone who has sustained an injury. And most leagues don't allow it, which means decisions on players like Alvin Camero this offseason.

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will become more complicated if we get clarity. If he's missing two games, three games, whatever it is, maybe it's none. But if he's missing time, your decision in the draft isn't just like I get to wait. Do I get to wait and lose a bench spot? And the first few weeks of the year, when you're picking up waiver wire players, you're taking flyers, you're costing yourself something. That was the Hopkins decision last year. Right, six weeks. You had to carry him, and that was him. A long time. By week four, you're like, ugh. Honestly, the best- Hopkins, you're killing me. If you're going to do it with a player suspended that long, just let somebody else carry him for about four of those weeks and then go and trade for them and pay the price for about two. All right, question from Instagram ad Roco says thoughts on Adam Thielen for the upcoming season. I laugh because I don't, I expected to hear like a groan from-

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Cabbage Farts is what you would expect to hear in response to how we're feeling about basically 33-year-old Adam Thielen. He's got some quiche. He got 14 million guaranteed. Super happy for him. His competition is nothing. No, he very well might be the number one wide receiver for this team. I would expect him to be. I have him statted to be the number one wide receiver. And that's just not that valuable. Over under 800 yards. Under. Over under 700 yards. Under. I think of, I can say like 10 yards, and Mike will be like, he will not be the number one. Jonathan Mingo will be the number one wide receiver on this team. Wow, that's not going to happen. I think Adam Thielen will be consistently targeted. If Adam Thielen goes out and does what he did last year, 70 for 716 and 6, he won't do that. He won't do that? No. I have him. There's got to be a bet here.

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Yeah, if you're a pro feeling, you can find a bet the hitman are on the other side. We took a contract. 650 yards receiving? I've got him under that. I've got him as 632. Michael certainly being on this. No, no, no, no. That's not the line. You don't get to move it all the way down to where I have him ranked. 700. I don't feel 100% sure about that. 700 yards is not a good season. To be clear. For fantasy. I'm aware. If he gets 701, that's a bad season. I'm excited. I'm excited for a spurt from Adam Thielen in the beginning of the year. I'm not as excited about the back half of the year where he has perennially disappeared. Let me see where I gave him 78. Okay, so 700. And Chark is there, right? 690. 699 and I'll take it. Oh, my gosh. We'll go 700.

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Waterbed. I do not really want to be betting on Adam Thieling. And yet you have done it. I have done it. Also in my dynasty week. Oh, there it is. There it is. And the truth shall set you free. There are bets you can make to be optimistic about an outcome you want. Yeah. There are bets you can give yourself optimism and lose that money all over the place. They call those bets a-robs. Yeah. You a-rob yourself. Yeah. It's like a robbery. Yep. All right. Who? You still got him? Unfortunately. I believe I asked our league yesterday if they. Yes, you did. Over under 250 yards this year for A. Robb. I forget. I think you can get over that. He's on the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah. I forget when, you know, we've been talking a lot about Deontay Johnson. And I brought up the fact that they lost Chase Claypool. And I.

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I forget. You should have given me $6.50. The underdog line for Theon is $575. First of all, why would you pay a guy with that line? 14 million guaranteed. I guess you have it to spend. Because you don't have a choice. Yeah, you don't have any white house. Yeah. And nobody wanted to come. I, yeah. Alan Robinson's dynasty trade value is currently in dirty diaper range. That's about where. Yeah. Not even clean diapers. Nobody even offered me one. And I was looking for one. You wanted a dirty diaper. I would rather have it. Because then you could just throw that away. But you don't know how to get rid of Allen. I don't know how to get rid. I mean, I guess I could do the vindictive drop to waivers. You should. But if you do that, you got a screen record. Yeah, that's fair. It would be a nice social experiment. I wonder. Oh, he's getting picked up. Oh, yes. He will get picked up. But for how much fab? Over under 15. Oh, I assumed it would be for free.

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Okay. It'll be over 15. Someone always makes a mistake on Alan Robinson. You're talking about a player that finished at 24 in week two, 14 in week six, and 17 in week 11? His consistency rating across those three games was outstanding. He just, so he turned it on. He needed Baker Mayfield. Oh my gosh, these numbers, 12 yards receiving, 7 yards receiving, 12 yards receiving, 24 yards receiving. What's his snap count though? Probably didn't play hardly any. We're going at an average of 91%. It sucks. How did that happen? I don't know, man. He got one of them invisibility clothes once he ran the route. Oh my gosh. It's not like Cooper Cup got hurt, right, and gave him an opportunity mid-season. Wow.

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That didn't work out. I'm sorry, everybody. I have my dynasty team because I decided to put my money where my mouth was. Kyle, he ranked 10th in Routes Run on the season. No, that's not possible. Through the first six weeks. Oh, first six weeks. Okay, okay. Number one in end zone targets through the first six weeks. Okay, wow. That's what made it so painful. Wow. The end zone targets were coming and then they were going. Yeah. Brutal. Next question. Brooks, we got time for another one? Yeah, it's got one more. Instagram question from Mr. Fantastic FFB. Is James Cook a mega sleeper? Will Damien Harris be too involved? I think he's a mega sleeper. Oh, really? I absolutely do. I do too, but I was sure you were on the other side. We both have them ranked significantly higher than Mike does. I think James Cook can run away with the job. If you live in the world that you do, Jason.

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where you believe that Devon A chain, despite his stature, can be a predominant, valuable fantasy asset in the AFC East on a team with other backs. You have to believe in the world where James Cook can do that too. And I do. Now, James Cook does not have the juice that A chain has. Oh, he's got juice, baby. He does. I mean, last year, he had a... pretty good season. He averaged 5.7 yards per carry, had a lot of explosive runs. He obviously was behind Devin Singletary, and it wasn't until the end of the season where you started to see him get more involved, get 56, 41, 43% of the snaps. Because the first part of the year, I mean, you're talking about a guy who wasn't really playing.

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3% of snaps, 18, 14% of snaps, 5% of snaps. He wasn't involved, and he was a rookie. But what you saw on film, when given the opportunity, was a lot of explosive plays. I could see two things happening this year. I could see Damien Harris, who I believe is just a really good running back. Yeah, I think he's good. He's just a solid veteran running back. I could see him being the number one for this team, the way Devin Singletary was, and then they kind of use James Cook as that change of pace speedster smaller back. kind of like they did at the end of last year. If that happens, neither one are going to be valuable. Or James Cook is the guy that they drafted in the second round to be their starter, and they brought in Damian Harris to back him up. If that happens that they give James Cook the opportunity, I think he's going to crush. I think he's going to be really, really electric. You know, you're not going to be able to stack the box against him, and if you give him a lane, he can be gone. Well, and he's very, very good at finding a...

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a place to be as a checkdown for Josh Allen. I think that is the secret sauce that will get him and keep him on the field. How productive that is, if you're great at that between the 20s and you don't get a score touchdowns, that is a problem. Do you think Devon Singletary or Damian Harris is a better running back? Devin Singletary. Yeah, so I mean, I think that too. I think Singletary is a little bit better. I think they're both going to play that role fine, but yeah, Mega Sleeper for me, absolutely. And it just, it hasn't been. Very valuable. Like Singletary would have his games every once in a while. But since 2018, as a team, Bill's running backs have ranked 26th, 23rd, 30th, 30th, 31st in total fantasy points. Like there just, there hasn't been any level of consistency. I have it ranked that, I mean, it was not surprising at all to see the bills immediately scoop up Damien Harris, who they played twice a year for a few years. And Damien Harris,

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made them look foolish on multiple occasions. Was he ever active on those games? Harris? No, I'm wondering how he was just banged up so often. Yeah, which that's fair. But I think that Harris is very good and he profiles more as the 1A. And I think James Cook is the secondary option. Yeah, you have some teams that are going to be very good in the AFC East who's running back rooms right now are not. I mean, these two players are the eighth and tenth round. Damien Harrison and James Cook, they're both potential values. And then you look at Miami, we haven't got through a mock draft where their current starter isn't maybe not drafted. Stop saying that. Jeff Wilson is not their star. No, Rahim Moster's their starter. Nope. I mean, yes, he is. Nope, it's A-J. Jeff Wilson is. You don't need A-Chane to be the depth chart starter.

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to do everything you think he can do. That is true. But by midseason, he'll be the start, unless Dalvin Cook signs. Which, that's what I mean. And then Dalvin Cook could also go to New York, which you have been, you've probably got incantations and candles and all sorts of prayers. I didn't even hear what you said because I blocked that out so hard. You don't even respond. I have that muted in real life. Yeah, it didn't show up on my timeline in life. All right, let's move on. Bestball Breakdown, presented by Underdog Fantasy. All right, every week right now, we are jumping into best ball breakdown, taking the look at some different topics in best ball. And we wanted to dive into a specific round, a little bit of an ADP price check. Look at round five in best ball drafts. And, you know, you've kind of got your studs in the first four rounds. Roster construction is taking form. What are you looking for from picks 49 to 60? That fifth round.

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Got some names out there that, you know, the current ADP, Christian Kerr, Justin Fields, Hawkinson, Mixon, Ayuk, Walker, Aaron Jones, Herbert, Godwin, Dobbins, Hollywood, Kittle. That's the names that are in that range right now. So what is the target and what does your exposure look like to those names? So I'll jump in first. My target is going to depend a little bit upon my roster construction. I'm... In this range, I'm usually taking another running back or wide receiver. More often than not a wide receiver, just depending on how my team is built. If I grabbed two running backs early, then I'm focused on wide receivers here. If not, then I'll go running back. But when I look at my exposure, there's two players I really like and one player I have a lot of in this range. The player I have a lot of is Joe Mixon. Joe Mixon is in this range because it is not a 100%

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locked and loaded guarantee that he is on the Bengals to start the season. There's still some personal issues in the air. I put it at 98% that he's the Bengals Week 1 starter. I don't believe that this Super Bowl contending team has any other choice. That's the biggest compelling argument in that favor because you always say watch what the team does. So what did they do? Yeah. Where's their option? They drafted a running back in the fifth round. Yeah, fifth round running back while letting Somaget P. Rine go. And so if the season, if the season were to start tomorrow or this Sunday and drafts were right now, Joe Mixon is not in this range. And that's why I like taking advantage of that. The wide receiver that I target here.

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Because he's very, very low. He's the 59th player off the board as Marquise Hollywood Brown without DeAndre Hopkins. I think he's going to have a phenomenal season. Eventually, Kyler will come back. Best ball, you get the entire season. You're going to get all 18 weeks. So I really like Hollywood Brown and Joe Mixon, which is pretty high in my exposure. Yeah, I'll throw out Justin Herbert's name. You know, he's in the middle of this bunch of picks. We've talked about him. extensively this offseason, but the upside there. You see the quarterbacks go so early in these basketball leagues wanting to have a stud. If you didn't take one, roster construction-wise, here's your chance to get maybe the last upside stud. And then I'll bring up Brandon Ayuk, a player that, you know, earlier this off-season, the muddied water of San Francisco, the receiving game, Brock Purdy, things are positive right now. I think Brandon Ayuk, you know, take it for what you will, hype train out of camp. The reports have been.

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Unbelievable. And I think this is the year. I think this is the opportunity. We already had, you know, he's 70 receptions over 1,000 yards last year. I think you're going to get into the 80s on receptions. I think you're going to be in 1,200, 1,200-yard range. And if you get 9-10 touchdowns on a team that profiles is the NFC East, one of their biggest competitors, I'm starting to rise on him. So I am actively targeting him at this value. Sure. And I'm assuming that I've... Taking a bunch of wide receivers early, as that's what I would prefer to do in bestball. And because I'm going for absolute ceiling here, assuming I need a running back. Jason, I think you are totally right. If we know that Joe Mixon is the week one starter, like as we get into August, he'll jump third round. He'll probably jump into the third, maybe even the back of the second. We'll see. But to me, Joe Mixon is, I think his floor is pretty safe.

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It would take just some things to swing right in his direction, specifically just a whole bunch of rushing touchdowns for him to make the leap to be elite. Meanwhile, this guy is, he's clamoring, he's trying to get paid, so he has his own stuff around him, but J.K. Dobbins, of this group of running mecks that we have listed, he would surprise me the least if you're like, at the end of the season. The top five running backs are this, this, this, and J.K. Dobbins. I think he is that good. That means you have to have 15, 16 touchdowns in his range of outcomes. I think that he can be like a 12, 1,300 rushing yard guy and then right around the double digit touchdowns. And he hits breakaway touchdowns all the time where Mixon will have to get, the team will have to get down to the five and then he'll have to fall in. Where Dobbins.

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can do it from literally anywhere on the field. With one leg or two. Yeah. Yeah. If we got two legs this year, then he will not be stopped. It's just not the biggest compliment you could pay a guy. That he has both of his legs functioning. But he did it with one leg. Yeah. He had one strong leg and he was dominating. Now, if it's JK1 leg, that feels like a compliment because he's doing something great with less than. Well, but. JK2 legs are going to be like electric. Yes. He'll be like his rookie year. No one will stop him. I mean, okay. He's got two of them. Okay. Two strong legs. Two strong legs. All right. That was best ball breakdown presented by Underdog Fantasy. Get your first deposit matched up to $100 using the code ballers. That is going to do it for today's show. We have a mock draft on Saturday, Brooksie. Oh, yeah. With some mayhem. Oh, yeah, baby.

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