Jay Griz, Cardboard Bear, fills Jason's place
Andy and Mike explicitly introduce Jay Griz as the present 'Cardboard Bear, extraordinary,' then explain that Jason Moore is not there because he is at a school paintball event.
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Andy and Mike explicitly introduce Jay Griz as the present 'Cardboard Bear, extraordinary,' then explain that Jason Moore is not there because he is at a school paintball event.
Minutes after Jason boasts in the League of Record chat that his players are back, Puka leaves practice; his spiral is compared with his optimized diet and described as a greasy burger of mental health, with Andy, Mike, and Falcon receiving his rage.
The hosts reveal that a prior episode's delayed costumes were a deliberately executed production bit that exposed viewers who complained before consuming the full show.
A general lesson about pausing before speaking prompts the hosts to look directly at Josh, say he needs a filter or muzzle, and explain that he begins reflecting only after his first paragraph is already spoken.
Falcon and Josh hold a private side conversation while the podcast is recording; Falcon is threatened with standing before the class to read his note, and later his cackling destroys the crew's composure over a pronunciation.
The hosts discover that Papa Josh and company are building a ridiculously large League of Record trade with absent Jason in the middle of the episode, extending Jason's prior-night tilt into a live transaction.
The Rams-Seahawks preview explicitly asks Mike about the Bone Zone and returns to 'full Ken Bone Walker' after the prior week's illness and bad game script.
Absent Jason still owes a Wheel spin, so Al runs his Fantasy Faceoff lineup; another loss would force Jason into a full Friday of shame, while an Andy or Mike loss triggers two spins.
Andy and Mike open with Jay Griz, 'Cardboard Bear, extraordinary,' present in place of absent Jason, who is at a school paintball event. They recount Jason's all-caps League of Record spiral: minutes after bragging that his players were back, Puka is hurt, Jason becomes a 'greasy burger of mental health,' and three coworkers are told to die in a fire. Later Papa Josh and company execute a huge trade with him during the show. The producers become literal 'Ducer Daycare': Josh needs a muzzle, Falcon and Josh hold side conversations, and Falcon is threatened with reading his note to the class. Mike gets an explicit Ken Bone Walker/Bone Zone callback, while Al takes over Jason's Faceoff lineup and the show schedules a full-Friday shame if Jason loses again.
Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in. Welcome to November. Mike Wright, Andy Holloway, the fantasy footballers, back with you. Jay Gris, Cardboard Bear, extraordinary. Present. November's a good time for Jay Gris, starting to get colder outside. He gets to eat. It's a good time for him, but actually he's supposed to not be working. Well, the other Jay, Jay Moore. Also, he's supposed to be working, but apparently he's being shot with paintballs. Oh, okay. All right. Watch out. He's at a school, take your dad to school event, which when I grew up, that was just like donuts with dad. Like you grabbed the donut, dad went off to work. Now it's like the whole day thing.
And he gets to go play paintball with his son. It is. I have never heard of it. I'll say that. So he's not here. And let's be honest. I mean, he doesn't want to be here because he was, Jason was all caps tilting the whole night. It was. In a way that was unacceptable. Oh, no. It was great. We've all hit that point in our live in playing fantasy football. And it was a spiral of multiple things of it started with with the Puka news, which we will get into in a moment. Yeah, Puka left practice early with a knee injury to the same knee that he's been hurt with. Jason has waited all year. He's got heavily, he's heavily invested in Pooka Nakua. That was the beginning. Then he, he, you know, the real beginning was he had literally just.
gone into the group chat for the league of record he had was flexing about yes oh all my players are back you better get out the way pachos on the way and it was seriously i mean it could not have been five minutes later the puka report comes out that oh puka left practice with the knee injury and The spiral started. And so that was the beginning. And, and, you know, pride comes before the fall, but five minutes before. Five minutes before the fall. And it proceeded through, you know, he had tanked dealt. Tankdale had a great night. He did. He had him in his lineup. He was really upset with the Texans for kicking a field goal on third down at the end of the game and starts flaming everybody. I mean, there's this like juxtaposition right now in Jason's life. He is, he has eaten.
He's eating super well. He's got a clean diet. He's lost like 47 pounds. He's, you know, his sleep is better. He optimizes. He's in the son. He's wearing non-black shirts. He's in the sauna. He's on to Olive and Burgundy and Navy shirts. We are living. And the mental health of this man last night couldn't have been more diametrically opposed. He was the greasy burger of mental health last night. Oh, it was. It was so entertaining. Yeah. Yeah. I believe. Two people in this room were told to die in a fire. Three. Three people. Me, you and Falcon were all told to die in a fire. Fantasy football is a very, what did I say yesterday while I was a blue tint? We are serious people. This is a serious business. And so there you go. Last night the Jets knocked off the Texans, 2113. If you had Joe Mixing, you were quite pleased. He continued to run well.
If you had C.J. Stroud, hopefully you didn't play him because he was 11 for 30 for 191. Found Tank Dell six times. You know, we were debating before the show what C.J. Stroud is right now, what he will be. When your second leading receiver is Robert Woods and Dalton Schultz, the slowest man alive, is your third leading receiver, it's chicken or egg for me. Yeah, I can see that. We've. We literally spent the week talking about Matthew Stafford being a good start. And the reason is not, well, Stafford's now a good player. The reason is Stafford's always been a good player. He gets his weapons back. And has a good matchup. And has a good matchup. You're right. But so I'm not willing to say on the road with Tank Dell and no one else, C.J. Stroud sucks. No. But this was not. This was just a bad performance with very little reliable weapons in the game. And I mean.
On the other side, Garrett Wilson, two touchdowns, Devante Adams got into the end zone, got knocked out, came back in. We found out Alan Azard is out for the year. It's going to be Adams and Wilson all year long. Breeze Hall was fine, 15 for 74. Yeah. The Malachi quarterly thing, if you didn't watch the game, he took an end around 20 yards to the house. I saw plenty of commentary about people that had like first touchdown Malachi Corley plus 5,000. He did what Kyle Pitts just did. Kyle Pitts just did this last week, man. This was the most heartbreaking one I've ever seen because this would have been Malachi Corley's first touchdown in the National Football League. This was a moment to celebrate. You had a great play. You broke through the defense. You looked explosive. And then you dropped the football before you go into the end zone. I don't know what the temptation is.
I don't either. You know, I don't know if we have to put like a little, a bucket at the back of the end zone where we're like, hey, this is where the ball has to go. Like, just take it to the bucket. I don't drop in the football, just don't do it. Like, I don't know how it's not been coached out of you at this stage of your career, but it's wild. It was sad to see, honestly. I was just sad. If I'm a coach watching the Kyle Pitts play from last week, I'm starting. Just, you know, whatever it is, Wednesday's practice or whenever we're in, you know, I'm talking to the team. I put that up and I go, this will never happen. This will never happen on my team. And now that we're back-to-back weeks, I sure hope that a lot of coaches are out there. It's like, guys, finish, finish. There'll be so much time to celebrate. After a touchdown, you can, like,
You know what's cool? You can have the heat, just this huge celebration now. Just finish. Just finish the touchdown. And you know what's neat is if it's going to be your first touchdown, you probably want the football. Yeah? Maybe you get to bring it home. Show your mother. You know what I mean? Hold on to the football. This is the football that did it. So he's got to keep waiting for his first touchdown. That's brutal. Rogers 22 for 32, 211 and 3. You know, Rogers was fine. Still limited mobility-wise. The catches by Garrett Wilson, both touchdowns, one-handed, the second one, one of the best catches of the year, if not the last several years, and then Adams with the kind of the finisher. I didn't appreciate that this was, the game literally was trick-or-treat. Because I got to watch most of the first half, and then the second half was all just got the air pod in as we're shuffling the kids around for the trick-or-treat. And you're like, I'm not seeing the good stuff.
Yeah, the second half was the good stuff. I had to go back and watch and you're like, oh, Garrett Wilson, they were, they were correct. That catch was good. Well, and I think the storyline here is that Wilson has been as good as he was before and even better. He's getting into the end zone. He is seeing coverage that is more conducive. And Adams, you know, while more involved in this game, hasn't gotten to the point where he's like the, you know, dominating all the targets. Nope. He had one more target than Wilson. So it is Friday. Put Clan Friday. Well, you know, we give away a $100 gift card every Friday to somebody from the Foot Clan. This week's winner, I'm always, I'm always secretly hoping the name is, is one that I can pronounce. You can't handle this one? I mean, I can. It's just a weird one. The winner today of the $100 gift card, Zuch, Karsten, Zuch. Yeah, that's what I'd go with.
Zuch. Congratulations. We're also going to give you a fantasy footballer's t-shirt. One big announcement. I didn't even like, I feel like, this is like a big deal. But as of this morning, as of moments ago, the fantasy footballers in-season app, which you can find on iOS and Android, the in-season app has been updated with all of the Foot Clan perks, including the ultimate dashboard. It is live on iOS right now. It will be live on Android next week. The update for Android. The app is there on Android. The app's already been there. The app is free. You can grab it. But the Android app will be updated next week. Correct. With the Foot Clan tools and the Ultimate Dashboard. People have been asking for it. Our team has been working so hard. So shout out to Schneider, Rob, everybody here that has been testing it. That's been, you know, the Foot Clan as well on Discord.
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You can play Mike Gisicki. Sure. Okay. If we want a glass half full of this thing. Yeah, there's a glass half. Mike Gisicki, relevant again. This guy is, I don't know what you do. I'm not talking fantasy. As an NFL team, as he heads into free agency, what do you do with a player who went on the field is very, very good? But the last couple of the years can't stay on the field. Like this isn't a. This isn't just once that we're looking into this. No, he played 12 games last year. He's played only five of eight this year. He's going to miss another one this week. He's 13.3 fantasy points per game when he's played this year, which is his career high. So on the field, like you said, very good. And I think most teams with the desperation at wide receiver will just pay him the money and believe they can keep him healthy. Oh, yeah. Just let's get this guy healthy and see what we can do.
Our producers should look into this report because yesterday David Najoku was out of practice and that's a Thursday. I'd like to see him practice today. One of the other features of the footclay and join the foot.com support membership is that you get an injury blitz podcast from Matthew Betts, our injury expert that will come later today. But Najoku not practicing. That's a little concerning. But I would expect we could get some news on his practice status because he's East Coast. by the time this shows over today. So Brooks, if you find anything, let us know. All right, this is good to see. Barting an unexpected setback. Tyrone Tracy Jr. will be back from the concussion protocol and playing in week night. Yeah, that's great. He's progressing. He has looked the part for the New York Giants. He is their RB1. Did you see his comments on one of the highlight videos? I did not. Tracy? Yeah. No, I did not.
I believe, and I want to find this, I believe he said, can you believe it's only my second year in this position? I did see that. So I don't actually know his history of playing elsewhere, but, you know, he's looked great. Drake May still in the concussion protocol, remain limited. They're still optimistic, but we'll see. Will Levis remain limited. Tony Pollard, these are Titans injuries, sidelined on Thursday. Pollard was my start of the week. So just to be clear, Joe Burrow lost Higgins is the start of the week. And then my running back didn't practice on Thursday. Yeah, but if he plays, I'm playing Tony Pollard. Taj Spears won't be filling in. No, because he's still not practicing. And then Calvin Ridley's back at practice. So we saw, you know, we've seen him have a game with Will Levis. That was good. We've seen him have a game with Mason Rudolph. That's good. At this point, you're not looking at the quarterback matchup making your decision for you, right? No, but it's.
I'd prefer it was Levis. I'd feel more comfortable about it. Last week, 15 targets. Yeah, got to love that, though. If Mason Rudolph is going to do that where he just says, I'm throwing my number one guy the ball all the time, then we'll be all right. All right. We have more injury news that are related to matchups we're talking about on today's show. Pooka Nakua was added to the injury report on Thursday with a knee injury, left practice early, did not talk to the media. Yeah, the quote we got from Ian Rappaport. was he injured the knee in practice. He should be okay, source said, not considered to be major. But we don't know what that means. Yeah, then, like, what is okay? Is okay mean you're playing this week or is not major mean you're only missing? Okay, you're not going on IR or something. This is, Mr. Rappaport, come on. Give us more. By the way, speaking of more, Najoku back of practice. Just got the report. Hazah. Just came out.
momentarily or moments ago, David Njoku back at practice. Great. D.K. McCaff still sidelined. Yeah, I expect that to be. GtD. I don't, I don't think he's going to play. But they have the bye week next week. I mean, it's the matchup, it's divisional matchup. They have the buy week next week. I don't think he's out. Yeah, I would think he'll miss and then he'll be back for San Francisco. Travis E.T.N. Brian Thomas Jr. and Gabe Davis are all considered game time decisions for the Jacksonville Jaguars. And that game is, is that the night game? No, not, no, four or five Easter. Yeah, afternoon. So afternoon game, that's fun. Jordan Love, limited practice. I expect him to play. I do too. Any hesitation with it. I mean, you always have the added injury risk, but how are you sitting them down? Yeah, it's tough. I've been, all week you've been following. I have Stafford as my backup. I have Jordan Love. Stafford's in right now. Stafford's in right now. Now if Pooka's out,
That's what I mean. Yeah. We were on this, then that. We were on a very steady road and then debris started entering the equation. Popping your tires. Yeah. All right. That was today's news and notes presented by USAA Insurance. Learn more at USAA.com slash insurance. We are jumping back into the matchups. It's time for fantasy forecast presented by Draft King Sportsbook. I guess I want to say this too. We had a lot of fun on yesterday's show. Nothing was more fun than reading the comments on YouTube because the world is so quick to comment the amount of people, it was a joy in this office yesterday, the amount of people that were like, I am so disappointed, the show is not what it once was, how did you not dress up in costumes? I can't believe it. I only came over the costumes. The amount of people that watched a little bit and bailed.
We got you. It was a bit, which was executed flawlessly by the production staff. Good work, everyone. Good work, deucers. But it was a bit that then somehow turned into a social experiment. People, don't jump into the comments. Like, if you haven't read, if you ever really read or consumed the content, like, this is, I'm talking to all of us here. Sure, go ahead, Mike. Like, just. Take in the content. Don't just take the headline. Don't just be like, oh, well, I skimmed it. Oh, oh, we're some soapboxing right now. Is this a soapbox spotlight here? So, yeah, the amount of comments that were like, oh, you didn't dress up. And then, to be fair, a lot of those people did leave their comment and then edit it, like just put underneath. So that was, hey, good on you for owning your comment. But like, let's slow down everybody. Just slow down a little bit. This is.
Soap box over. Pretty good advice in life in general. Like even if you get a text or somebody that you don't like, you're allowed to like this thought that you got to reply right away. Like there's a timer or your phone explodes. Just give it 30 minutes. This is what, that's a definition of wisdom is not talking too fast. It's the old, you know, if you're angry, count to 10. What's you looking at? What's you looking at over there? You just feel like dad's talking to you? I just looked over at Josh. Ah. Oh, like a man that needs the advice? Like lack of wisdom. Oh my gosh. He could use a filter. A muzzle? Is that what you said? Josh starts thinking like out loud. After the first paragraph has already been spoken. Like he starts reflecting on it then. Do you, I mean, do you have any comment? I don't want to leave you speechless there, Papa Josh. No. Okay. Now he's got nothing to say. All right.
Yesterday we covered the Cowboys, Falcons, Dolphins, Bills, Raiders, Bengals, Chargers, Browns, Patriots, Titans, commanders, Giants. Mike and I get to jump in with the two and six Saints taking on the one and seven Panthers. All right. New Orleans minus seven. The overrunners, 43 and a half. So, you know, in the Saints, last ditch effort to get Jason to shave the rest of his hair off of his head, they got a great opportunity in this one. Here we go. Carolina, New Orleans. Both defenses have been really, really bad. They're number 32 and 31 in total yards per game allowed. But Carolina is outrageous. I mean, they're just both of these defenses are. This is a matchup. It's a battle of the suck. But we have like, I think it could be fun here for fantasy football. Alvin Camara, of course, is in. Chris Oliva is in. Derek Carr is going to play. Yeah. I mentioned Chuba as a start of the week as in, I'm willing to play him. Is D.K. rushing.
yard line is it's at 53 and a half like we'll we'll take that that's the kind of the starting point with all the opportunities and the matchup against the saints i i think chuba is in play regardless of who the quarterback is which it's going to end up being bryce young now the fun stuff is like Xavier legett jalen cocker the these rookies here against a team that has been struggling on defense are they are they in play for you in like in a 12 team league. With the fact that the Saints have given up the most yards per game in the NFL, they are dart throw players to me. And I think Jalen Coker at 6.3, 215 after the game last week, you probably don't know the name. Four for 78 in a touchdown. Snap counts have been going up. And now with Deonté gone, he's going to get an opportunity. So those are guys that you can Liget and Coker you can put in there.
and pray. Now, Bryce is the quarterback. Right. So that will require you to depend upon Bryce Young. And that is. And he, but he was the guy last week against Denver. And this is a much better matchup. It is. These are, these are not must play guys. They, I think that they should both, well, league at, of course, should be on teams. But like, Jalen Coker should be on rosters. Because if, if Coker comes out and has a second good game here, then you're going to be. we should probably be in that this is now an option for fantasy. All right. So, you know, Derek Carr was Jason's dream, right? Yeah. I mean, you can. I think it'll be good. I think it'll be a resurgence for the offense against Carolina with Derek Carr being back. Spencer Rattler was statistically the worst quarterback. Oh, I'm not talking about that. I'm just talking about Derek Carr of. Yeah, I wouldn't be.
I wouldn't be trying to play him. Hopefully some of the other streaming options are available for you. The Denver Broncos at 5 and 3, the Baltimore Ravens at 5 and 3, the Draft King Sportsbook line is Baltimore minus 8. The Broncos and the Ravens have the same record. Yeah, the overrunners 46 and a half. I mean, if you... That's fun. If you look statistically over the last month, Bo Nix has been the best rookie quarterback. Sure. Bo Nix has been better than Caleb. Right? And he's been better than Jaden in the last month. Statistically speaking. He has three multi-touchdown games in his last four. He's a quarterback 10 in fantasy. So taking Bo Nix seriously with Sean Payton is probably something that you should be doing. But how that translates to fantasy production, it's not been one target. This is not Bo Nix has Roma dunzae and that's all he's going to throw the football to. It's been a.
a mixed bag. One minute you think Troy Franklin's going to get an opportunity and then it's valet and then it's Sutton and then it's, you know, the backs or the tight ends and Trapman catches a touchdown and Krolls involved. They're piecing it together in Denver, right? Mm-hmm. So, you know, your decision-making process here against Baltimore, who's been easy to throw against, it's probably just Giovante and Sutton. That's how I would play it. Sutton had the goose two weeks ago. and then bounces back to a 29% target share this past week against Carolina, eight for 100. So he is their number one guy. If you're playing anyone hoping to take advantage of the Raven secondary, that's who I'm playing. Lamar Jackson's back at practice. They had a quick turnaround. They gave him some time. This is not abnormal. So it's going to be a test for this Denver defense that's been pretty good, but they've played Minshu and Herbert and...
Rattler and Bryce Young. So they're the third fewest yards per game given up. That's not going to be the case here. The implied point total for Baltimore is 27. Right. What are you doing with the wide receiver room for Baltimore in this matchup? Sir Tan, back out there. The kind of predictability has been difficult. It has, but I'm playing them as normal. I mean, of course Derek Henry is in. Well, the receivers. And then for Zay Flowers, his yardage line on DK is right now, 50 and a half. He's at 15 or more points than three the last four weeks. He's such a good player, and I'm going to trust that this offense will figure out how to just, even with the tougher matchup, they're going to utilize them. So what's wild about Flowers is that this has been your experience with Flowers in general. The last six games played, he had games with yardage totals of 2010 and 11. He's had games then, the other games, 11, 132, 115. This is Feastor Famine with Zay Flats. It is.
By the way, those 300 plus yard games, he didn't score. So, you know, he's only got one touchdown on the year. So that's been the dance was they flowers. Yeah, but I mean, you got to, it's like, you can't see it in the box score anywhere. But I think it was that the Tampa Bay game where he, he hurt his ankle. Like he played through the game, but he was not at full strength. And he got the one target. That's true. And he's on pace for 130 targets on the year. Yeah. Are you playing Mark Andrews or Tyler Kraft against Detroit? Tucker Kraft. What did I say? Tyler. Well, that's just what Jason calls him. Tucker Kraft. I would play Mark Andrews. I'd play Mark Andrews, yeah. Don Kincaid or Mark Andrews? I'm going Andrews. Fergielicious?
That one is... Ferguson or Andrews would... That one's really tough. They are back to back in my rankings. If somehow you had to both, if I need just a couple safe points, because while things are trending forward for Mark Andrews and I'm feeling more and more confident each week, there still is. There's still that fear that he goes out there and goes back to half the snaps, gets one target. So in that case, I don't mind people playing Jake Ferguson over him, but I think I'd... go with Andrews. There's a lot of people I know that maybe are not on the same page as we are with Deontes opportunity in Baltimore. It's a big name with a big trade. How are you viewing Deonté this week and beyond? Because I've seen some of these. This week I'm not even considering playing him. Do you think that there's a chance he emerges as a fantasy relevant person? There is a chance because I think he's a good wide receiver that gets open. But it will take time. Like Deontay is if I have him,
If someone wants to buy in in my league and trade for Deonté, I'd get out. But if he's sitting on my bench, let me phrase it this way. He's not going into my starting lineup until I actually see something. I'm not taking any risk over the next couple weeks, calling my shot. This is the week that Deonti takes over. The only thing that changes that is somehow this week, it's like all the snaps. He's running all the routes. He just doesn't have production. Then I'll put him out there. All right, we'll take a quick break and jump into the Jags Eagles matchup. Jacksonville is 2 and 6. The Eagles are 5 and 2. The D.K. Sportsbook line here, Philly minus 7 and a half. The over and under is 45 and a half. Heavy favorites. Philly is 4-0, averaging 29.8 points per game in the four games that AJ Brown has played. This is a good example of what I'm talking about with the C.J. Stroud. No, Nico Collins. Sure. Is Jalen Hertz a good quarterback? Well, how do you define it? Not.
Without Agent Brown, he hasn't been. He's not been statistically prolific for sure. And that's kind of where we're out with Stroud. Like if you, because you've been the biggest Nico Collins stand on the show from the off season looking through the, I don't care about Diggs. I don't care about Tankdale. Nico's elite. If that's true, which has proven to be true, he's the number one in points per game. Losing that is significant. Yeah. Yeah. I'm in agreement there. Jalen Hertz, in this game, you're going to play him. Sequin, yes, Brown, yes, Devante Smith, yes. The end. I mean, that is your elite opportunity for Philadelphia. And AJ Brown's receiving line is 79 and a half. So it's just, he's just that good. On the other side, out, you can't even make good decisions right now. I mean, you have.