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Tyreek News + Head to Head Mock Draft

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Hey, Foot Clan, we have a great mock draft episode today, and we're also going to be covering the Tyreek Hill News and all of its fantasy implications. We've updated our rankings on the Ultimate Draft Kit. You can go check that out at Ultimate DraftKit.com. You get all the player profiles, videos, projected stats, and so much more, including a brand new mobile app for 2019. Check it out at Ultimate DraftKit.com. Hey, this is Corey from San Antonio, Texas, coming from the...

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Iron League of Record, and you're listening to The Fantasy Footballers Podcast. To the Fantasy Footballers Podcast. Coming to you from pristineauction.com studios with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Ah, welcome in. Got a great show today. I've got my game face. Ow! You give me the stare down, the grimace, the growl. I call this.

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The growl. The growl. I guess I'm being slightly intimidated both by your look and the glance of Jay Gris. Quick, quick. Who's Harrier? Who's Harrier? Yeah. Jason or Jay Gris? Yes. Oh, that's tough. Where? On top of the head. Okay. Yeah, get bodied on vacation. Yes. Jason is out today, but don't worry, Foot Clan. It's good news for you.

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It's the best news you've had all day. We are doing a head-to-head Mono mock draft on the show. Mike and I are taking each other on. Brooks figured out our draft spots. It's a 12-team draft. We're doing that on the show shortly. It's going to be great. You guys can vote on who you think. Well, I mean, easy vote. But yeah, you can vote for Mike or myself. And we're going to have some fun. It's been a little while since we did a live mock draft.

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That'll happen live on the show today. A couple of reminders as we kick things off. You can find us over on YouTube. YouTube.com slash. That's where you see the growl. The fantasy footballers. Yeah, it was weird, Mike. I can't say I was scared of you. I was a little confused. A little bit. If you're confused. I thought maybe you needed medicine. If you're confused, you're tilting at least slightly. Oh, get in the head. Mission accomplished. Getting the head of your opponent. What's cool is if you do watch the show.

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which some of you do on YouTube. You can see the draft board as the draft takes place. Judge Giamati does a good job of working that into the video so you can follow along, see what picks we made, see who we passed on. You can find us on Twitter at the FF Ballers, and the community is join the foot.com. This show, I mean, we've got two things to talk about. We've got the mock draft that's coming, but then we've got the big news that we have to break down.

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And that is that the NFL is not planning to suspend Chief Star Wide Receiver Tyreek Hill following its thorough investigation into allegations of child abuse. This smacked every analyst in the face when it broke yesterday, myself included. I had Tyree Kill in several leagues last year, several Keeper Leagues. I didn't keep him in any of them. Those deadlines have come and gone. I lost Tyreek Hill. He's gone. Now he's back.

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Now he's going to play. Now speculation about Watkins and Hardman and the offense. It's done. So we're going to break down. We can break down each of those players. It's just a really confusing situation. Because as far the sources that I listen to, the sources that have been talking in circles around the Kansas City Chiefs Organization, the team didn't expect this to happen. The team expected, hey, maybe it'll be four games.

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Now, and this was according to Rhaps, she will give you the actual report if you haven't followed anything from yesterday. He said during its investigation, NFL spoke with multiple people on both sides of the allegations into the chief's wide receiver, including Hill. They did not get to talk to his fiance, Crystal Espinal. She didn't make herself available. It is completely closed as of now, not suspended. The chiefs came out and said they're welcoming him back with open arms.

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What is the risk that is out there for Tyree Kill as it pertains to his availability this year? I feel very uneducated to be able to really answer this question. But the facts that we do know, as far as a criminal case that's closed, it is out of their hands. The NFL did cover themselves saying if new information comes up,

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they're going to be quick to react to that information. But as of now, you've got to feel like that's a low percentage chance that something else is going to surface because the two people closest involved in the situation, Tyreek Hill and his fiance, they don't want to talk about anything. And if they're not willing to talk about anything, there's just, we don't know what happened. This is an extremely polarizing situation. When I tweeted,

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About all I tweeted. I retweeted rap reports breaking the news with just emphasizing Tyree Kill is going to play. No suspension. And the Twitter community is you get answers from good. You know, good, he is not exonerated, but good. There was no evidence. So there's, you can't do anything to somebody without evidence to the people who are, this is an absolute disgrace. And they're really upset about it.

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Our job is to not necessarily comments on that. We just give you the facts and head off from there. So to me, you're talking low probability now that Tyreeks Hill will receive any type of suspension. The chiefs will eventually resign him. They're going to wait until the PR, Hola Blue dies down. Firestorm. Yeah, exactly. So maybe halfway through the season they're talking. Because he's in the last year of his rookie deal.

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Yeah, maybe they even wait until the season is completed, not completely sure on that. It's difficult because it's compounded by the fact that there's a history with the player. Yes. If it was just like a one-off situation, look, I don't want people tried in the court of Twitter. I don't want people tried in the court of speculation. So I'm thankful that, you know, grounds. Look, it's not a good look for the NFL. The good look for the NFL, to me, the easy path for the NFL is the suspension and consequence side.

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We don't know anything. We don't know the details. None of us do. All we can do is talk fantasy. It's a fantasy show. And it's not just us. Nobody. There are two people who know what happened and they're not talking about it. So ultimately my thoughts and prayers are with the child, that the child is safe, that the Kansas Department for Children and Families protects the child. And that if there is consequences to be had, that they come out. If not, then, you know, he doesn't deserve to be punished for something he didn't do. And we move on.

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Fantasy-wise, we've updated the ultimate draft kit. We've updated our projections for the Chiefs. You know, a lot of this off-season was spent talking about the upside of Mikul Hardman, second-round draft pick that they invested in, the upside of Sammy Watkins, a player who has flashed at times but not been available at times. Now we have to take a fresh look at the Chiefs. Mike, how are you looking at the projection of Tyreek Hill? This was a player that in certain formats was the number one overall fantasy-wide receiver.

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I think for a lot of experts, he's going to be number one on their boards as of today. Yeah, I think I may have him lower than what the consensus actually ends up, and we'll see the ultimate draft kit rankings are very fluid. He came in with my initial projections at number six. I know Jason has him at four. Jason's not here. Okay. I have him at five. So we all have, what, Hopkins ahead of him? I was going to say, what I consider to be the big four of the wide receiver position,

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Adams, Julio, Hopkins, and Beckham. I still have Beckham in that top tier. I assume that Jason is the one who has Beckham behind Tyreek Hill. Yeah, that makes sense. Those are the four I have ahead of Tyreek. But I would put them in Tier 1 with those four guys. And the one other name that I didn't mention who's ahead of Tyreek Hill for me still is Juju. But it's, they're all, when it comes to fantasy football,

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I think all six of those players are going to be elite options. Yeah. The fact of the matter is that Tyreek was an absolute fantasy star last year, 12 touchdowns, what was it, over 1,400 yards receiving. Yeah, nearly 1,500. And this offense now, you take away one more variable for Mahomes production. At the end of the day, though, we don't expect Mahomes to be able to go out and throw 50 touchdowns every season. No. So.

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Does it hurt Kelsey? There are a lot of people out there who have Kelsey maybe even higher statistically on the expectation he was going to get four to six weeks of being the main man. You don't think it affects him. Well, last year, Travis Kelsey put up over 1,300 yards and 10 touchdowns in a full season with Tyreek Hill. Yeah. No, I don't think it affects him. I didn't even really modify Travis Kelsey's projections because he was.

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I have him producing nearly what he did last year with just a little bit of regression. He's still number one. He is still the tier one tight end, in my opinion, with Ertz. Ertz is the number two tight end, but he's still not in the same tier as Travis Kelsey. I don't think it affects Travis Kelsey at all. Yeah, I mean, basically, if you look at my projections, the chiefs are not projected to do what they did last year.

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The number one thing. And if you went and looked at the game log of Patrick Mahomes over the course of this season, his averages, the ones that were talking about being outlandish, no player ever repeats, 50 touchdowns, no player ever repeats seasons like that, no matter how good you are. It slowed down towards the end of the year. He wasn't throwing 3.30 a game necessarily. It was like 291 over his last certain amount of weeks. It slowed down a little bit. You started to see a little bit of pullback on Mahomes. Well, you also start seeing teams actually have film.

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on Mahomes. He's fantastic. You can't stop him, but you can start planning. You can have a smarter plan of how you're going to try and slow him down. Still think they'll be the best offense in football. I do. I agree. These players will have great production. You have to now talk about, you know, Sammy Watkins doesn't represent the kind of upside anymore. Mikul Hardman, we pulled him from our sleeper list because the opportunity is simply not going to be what it would have been without Tyree Kill.

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Miko Hardman to me was a player that was not going to really have to earn a starting job. He was just going to be thrust into it. Look what the Chiefs did in the draft. They didn't have a first round and they traded up in the second to get Miko Hardman. They clearly thought they were not going to have Tyree. They were with us. They knew that the odds of having Tyreek back were low. Because what the Kansas City Chiefs needed?

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They needed to draft defensive players. They didn't want to have to spend high draft capital replacing a wide receiver. They felt backed into a corner and they went out and made that move. So now instead of just kind of walking his way into a starting job, now he's, now he has to fight to get on the field. He's going to be the kind of player in year one that catches 30 to 40 passes. Agreed. And.

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A handful of them are going to be for 96 yards and a touchdown because he's a burner. He's going to get loose. He's not going to be a focal point of the offense because you're going to have Damian Williams, Tyree Kill, Sammy Watkins, Travis Kelsey, and maybe to Marcus Robinson ahead of him in the pecking order. So Hardman, unfortunately, not a startable asset by any stretch of the imagination. No, but goodness, man, next season, once Mikol is acclimated to the NFL.

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And this offense is Mahomes, presumably an extended Tyreek Hill. Potentially. Watkins and Mikol. Good luck. Oh, yeah. Good luck. Yeah, I mean, it gives the Chiefs leverage in the contractual negotiations to have drafted Meekul at that level. I guess a little bit, it might, yeah. It does because they have a little bit of depth at the position. You're not trying to tell Tyreek, oh, we're fine with Chris Conley and to Marcus Robinson. No. So any other.

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