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Tyreek News + Head to Head Mock Draft

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Brooks, is there anything else that's like on the forefront of listeners' minds as it pertains to Tyreek Hill? I mean, they can go. They can look at the rankings on the website. But as far as question marks, I think you guys covered it. Okay. Where is Sammy now currently for you? I have him at 34, which might, it might be a tad too low, but I think he's now that fringe, you know, three with upside on a weekly basis. I'm trying to figure out where he is in our consensus.

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He's at 36 in our consensus. Right. I don't have mine right up in front of me, but he's got to be in that range. Yeah. I would imagine. I imagine I'm the lowest. I'm still. I would imagine, and I would imagine Jason is still. I have met. Oh, yeah, I've got him. You don't want to know where I got him. You don't know what I want to know. You want to know. You want to know where I have him? I was a little shocked. Look, when we go in and do our projections,

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We go on and put stat lines. Yeah. So I'm putting stat lines for all these players. I'm putting DeMarcus Robinson, you know, say what you will about him. He scored four times last year. He was on the field, 30-something receptions. I just started him out. I don't think Watkins plays a full season. I just don't believe in it. It's a fair thing to say. So how do I draft him to play a full season? He's done it one time so far. Yeah. Full season. Yeah. Yeah, that's not a lot. That's not a lot. Okay.

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We're moving on. A reminder again, check out all of, we updated the, we're going to update the Tyree Kill, put a Tyree Kill video into the ultimate draft kit. We pulled the Sammy Watkins video. We'll redo that one with the context that we have now. That's one of the things we do. We update all of the content no matter what time of year, keep it up to date. But we're going to get into this mock draft. Before we get into the mock draft, thank you for pulling back on hitting the button there and interrupting me.

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I had a head-to-head with Jason earlier in the year when you were out. But mono-imono. Thinking about it now, I mean, I guess it would mess up the mock draft, but it would have been nice to get Jay Gris in there because we know that he would just draft bears. He would just select all the bears. Yeah, Trubisky in the first. We've seen him before. Okay, 12th team, half point per reception draft. Brooks figured out our spots and, well, Mike ended up at 107. I'd.

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I don't like to be at 11. I'm at 11. So I got the 11th pick in the draft. Snake draft, half point league. I cut the bench size down a spot, so there's four bench just for time so we can spend some more time talking about our picks. All right. A lot of you out there, I will say this momentarily before we kick the draft off. A lot of you out there, we'll do mock drafts a handful of times in the off season. They're fun episodes. A lot of the times we do them as a team. The three of us will pick for one team.

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so we can break down and analyze things. And sometimes people want us to always have our own team. We try to balance that out. You guys need to understand if we have three people with three teams and you've got to draft 15 spots, 16 spots, that is a long time. And we don't get as much time when we're drafting individual teams to talk about the thought process and decision making, which is the point.

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We're not mock drafting just to get this thing done. We want to help bring to light how we draft, how we think about it, so it helps you. And you can go mock draft. We always say it's one of the best things you can do. So in a head-to-head situation, we get to do that a little bit more. So here we go. 12-team draft, number one overall. Sequin Barclay, number two, Alvin Camara, McCaffrey went three, Zeke, four, David Johnson, five, left bell, six, six running backs off the board. And here Mike is on the clock.

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It's your turn to talk, your turn to pick. So this is unfortunate, because normally when I'm at 7, I'm hoping that somebody has decided to take the wide receiver and David Johnson is going to drop to me. That didn't happen. The other mock drafters went all running back. So now I am staring down a decision of only three players, so I have it narrowed down. It's Melvin Gordon. Do I choose to accept the risk that Melvin Gordon goes full levy on Bell? And I've...

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set my first pick on fire and thrown it into the dumpster. My backup running back option would be James Connor because I firmly believe that James Connor is going to be a fantastic running back one this season. But those guys are not the top of their position. So if I'm looking at wide receiver, it's Devante Adams right here because he's my number one guy. I don't even need to consider the number two wide receiver because I have my pick of the litter, so to speak.

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Is that where you're leaning right now then? Are you going to go wide receiver? I am leaning going with Devante Adams. This would normally be an auto Melvin Gordon pick for me. So is this a revealing moment for the fantasy footballers podcast that it could be? That, you know, Jason and I have spent most of the time talking about our expectations for Gordon. Here you are on the clock. I'm scared. You've got butterflies in your stomach. Yes. I'm more on the side of Jason. I would take Gordon here. I'm more on the side of Jason that I am.

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concerned that Melvin Gordon is going to, as the Jacksonville Jaguars lady said, take it to the limit. Complicate our fantasy football lives. Well, you got to make the pick, my friend. Just for the experiment of the draft as well, I'm going to go with Devante Adams at the seventh pick and we'll see what happens with my team starting with wide receiver, even though Gordon was there. Well, there was a hope in my heart that Gordon would drop. That Gordon would drop to 11 because of the tumult.

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That was cut immediately. Did not happen. Devante Adams, Mike, you took him at seven. Gordon went eight. And then DeAndre Hopkins and Michael Thomas go nine and ten. This is a tough place to be on the board. I don't believe in James Connor. I don't believe that he belongs at 111. I believe he will be a top 15 guy, not a top 10 guy. So I don't really want to take him here. This is where you have to start staring down.

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Horrible, horrible decisions about players like Todd Gurley. I love Dalvin Cook. Could I take Dalvin Cook here at 111? Joe Mixon is on the board as well. Wide receivers on the board, Julio, who I absolutely love. I think Julio has his good chance. Is he still your number one guy? Hopkins is still my number one guy. I think Julio has every chance to be that this year. Julio and Beckham are there, but so are Juju, Tyreek Hill, Antonio Brown.

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And just a reminder for the listeners, you are 11, so you're basically right on the turn. There will only be two players in between your picks. And this is tough because I want a running back. And I know. James Connor is there, man. He's there for your pleasure. Yeah, yeah, he is. So is Todd Gurley. I know I'm going to get a great wide receiver on the way back. And I don't, look, I could go Julio Jones here and probably grab Tyreek Hill and start with Julio and Tyreek Hill on this team. Maybe that's the experiment.

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worth taking and see what happens at the running back position later on. But I can almost see the future, Mike. And the future, my future, at running back, if I do that, it's going to end up being, it's going to end up being rookies. Right. It's going to end up being Josh Jacobs and David Montgomery or something. And I don't want to start another draft that way. So I'm going to commit to the running back position, which means deciding, in my mind, between Mixen, Cook, and Gurley. And, um,

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In this draft, I'm going to take Dalvin Cook at 111. Wow. I know. Goodness. I'm going to make him a first round pick. I'm going to put the crown on his head. I believe that Dalvin Cook is going to have a monster year. I would be very happy. I think we've probably had enough James Connor water bet, so we don't have to go there. But I think I like Cook more than Connor. So Dalvin Cook off the board. Julio goes next. Mixing goes next. Guess who's sitting there at 202? Odell Beckham. Yeah. Odell Beckham Jr.

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Juju Smith-Schuster, but also Todd Gurley. I could take the shot on the combination, but I've got a really, really long wait at the wide receiver position. Tilting with the second pick. I'm going to take Todd Gurley for the first time this off season. Tilting with the second pick. Oh, I almost got Connor. I'm going Cook and Gurley back to back. Now you have an interesting situation, Mike. Oh, this is ridiculous.

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have to stare down Tyreek Hill in this draft. And the fact of the matter is, and this is full disclosure, ADPs, which is what the other teams are drafting based on, it's not just, they're not drafting by ADP, they're drafting by their team, their formation, and some algorithms that figure that out. And by the way, we're drafting on Sleeper, which is where we do all our mock drafts, their system's great. But in about eight hours, they didn't update everybody's not drafted entirely kill at the top. So the truth of the matter is,

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You know, Tyree might have gone already in an ordinary draft. So are you willing to go, I went running back, running back. Are you willing to go wide receiver, wide receiver here and go Devante Adams and Tyreek Hill? Here's the problem. There is, uh, there's, there's still another wide receiver. There's also Odell Beckham is on the board. He has thrown a giant, giant, uh, problem at me. Let me read the other picks, by the way. After I pick Gurley, it went juju, Nick Chubb, James Connor.

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Yes. Because you would have loved Connor to drop one more spot. Oh, that would have been an easy auto selection for me. I really thought I was going to be looking at either going Travis Kelsey or Damien Williams, just taking the best available of those two. I don't know how you don't take a wide receiver here. And then just playing the room and because it's a head to head competition, I was going to end up with Tyree Kill was my third pick, which was going to be pretty awesome. So I guess I'm committing to zero running back because I.

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I don't know how I pass Odo Beckham and have two of my top four wide receivers. And then Tyree Kill, which will mean I have three top six wide receivers. And for the integrity of the draft. Oh, come on. For the integrity of the draft, boom. I have paused the draft and I'm going to manually select Tyree Kill on this. This man. You know that's the right decision here. It's for you.

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That's right. But me having Devonte Adams Beckham and Tyreek Hill to start a draft is pretty awesome. Yeah. Well, I wanted you to make a proper decision there between Tyreek Hill and your other pick. But we're going to let Tyreek Hill go off the board where he should. Fine. He's not going to 2.10. He'll go before that, but fine. Yeah, he will go before that. So sorry, Mike. I feel like we should have thrown this one to the judge who would have clearly ruled in my favor. Let's find out. Brooks, do you feel like that was the right call? That's fine.

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Way to be Switzerland. It's fine. Way to be Switzerland. Very judicial. I'm tempted to throw it to Al Borland. I rarely have to do that, Brooks, but you're not pulling your weight on being decisive. Okay, so Mike, you went with Beckham. So we went completely opposite philosophies. You have Adams and Beckham. I have cooking girly. Aaron Jones went next. Antonio Brown, Travis, Kelsey, Tyreek Hill. Do you think Tyreek will go ahead of Kelsey in almost every draft?

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Yes. Okay. Mike Evans, T.Y. Hilton to finish out the round. Fournette in the third, Damien Williams in the third. So you have three chiefs going in a five-pick span. Adam Thielen, Omari Cooper, off the board, Marlon Mack, George Kittle. And Mike, you're back on the clock. Yes. Talk about where your team is at. Talk about your decision-making process. So starting with Devante Adams and Odell Beckham is, I mean, I have...

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Didn't envision it. No, I did not envision that at all, but I'm extremely happy with it because the best part of the third round and for players who are starting wide receiver, wide receiver, there's a guy who is still in my top 12 at the running back position and people are scared of him. I completely understand. It's ad nauseum for me this off season, but Devante Freeman becomes an easy pick for me here because he's firmly entrenched to my running back one.

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