PPR Mock Draft Show! + Jason Freaks Out - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/11

For the second time in my life, I'm guilty of committing a crime, being horrifically ill-prepared for my fantasy football draft. Because I doubt my league mates minded my team finishing 3 and 10, earning the ridicule of not just my friends and family, but of every man, woman, and child I've ever encountered. But this season, I find I'm so excited I can barely still hold a thought in my head. I think it's the excitement. Only a future hashtag foot clan champion can feel. A future champ at the start of a long journey, whose conclusion is dispersing a wide range of insults upon my teammates. Things like you're one pathetic loser. Or you must be a major disappointment to your parents. Or my personal favorite, you suck.

You know who's going to be the toilet ball champion this year? Not me. To join me on this journey, it's a www. ultimatraftraftkit.com. I hope to see you there. To the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in. What, did you want something? Are there games today?

Still football time. Yeah, it's still football time. Welcome into the show. It doesn't happen every time there's a game, Jason. We don't do it on Mondays. Okay, all right. Look, I'm still learning the rules. It's the start of the week. You got something yesterday. Got a little bit of something. You had a question mark on it, but you got something. Yeah, and we got something yesterday, just a little bit. Just a taste. It'll be okay. We'll have real football time. Soon enough. Welcome in one and all to the fantasy footballers podcast. Mike Wright, Jason Moore, Andy Holloway. Back with you. You can find us over on Twitter at the FF Ballers. You can find us on YouTube. Those of you watching, hello, greetings. Hello. YouTube.com slash the fantasy footballer. Subscribe. Click the bell. We've got a live stream coming up, a very special one. You're going to want to be notified. I'm not going to tell you more than that.

We will later, but as of today, just go click the bell. Ultimate draft kit.com. I mean, you can listen to this show and be prepared for your draft, but you can take it to the next level and pick up the draft kit, the cheat sheet creator, import your league settings, and go to your draft of the plan. And that's what we want you to do. Check that out at ultimate draft kit.com quick. reactions to last night's games before you get into the news. And we are doing a mock draft on today's show. It's going to be a battle because we are drafting 456 and it's a 10-teen three-wide receiver PPR mock draft live. Not sure I feel great being in the middle of. Oh, yeah. Oh.

Both. I'm like there is no situation where I will not be snipe. You every single time you go to picks, someone will be sniping right before you. That's correct. But last night we had a couple of football games. Saw C.J. Stroud get run all over the place. Through an interception. Face that pass rush in New England. It's over. Davis Mills looked pretty good. Sent Stroud to the bench. It's done. The general career is done. The rookies last night were the highlight for me. In both games, you saw good things from Jordan Addison, great things from Tank Dell. Yep. And, you know, Zach Charbonnet didn't get a ton of work. He was fine. He had one kind of, I think, impressive physical play that caught your eye. And then you'd love to see the coach's comments after the game to me stood out where.

You know, Kevin O'Connell coming out and talking about Ty Chandler, the backup to Alexander Madison or battling to be the backup. And then you saw comments from Pete Carroll kind of positive towards Zach Charbonnet, although he did play behind DJ Dallas in this one. Yeah, I mean, I think you mentioned most of the takeaways that I got them all. To me, it was Tank Dell and Ty Chandler. Those were the two takeaways. I'm going to keep my eyes on. Tank Dell. You've got to really focus your eyes on him so you don't miss because he's Piquito. He's a smaller fellow. He's a small guy, but he looked good. I mean, he's a talented wide receiver. You just don't ever really buy into someone of that archetype succeeding for fantasy football just because it's, I don't know, never happened. But he is really good. And he looked the part against NFL defenders. And then, yeah, Ty Chandler.

He certainly got the job opportunity given to him to be that next back for the Vikings. Really good. Yeah, the coach. The coach was very happy with him after the game. 29 yards through the air, 41 yards on the ground was pretty good. Mike, anything to add? No, my biggest watch for this was I wanted to see how the Vikings backups handled in Ty Chandler. It wasn't just running the ball. I mean, the Kevin O'Connell quote was essentially. We love to see it. He's picking up yards where there wasn't even yards to be picked up. He looked pretty good in pass protection as well. Alexander Madison was held out. I think in Wong Wu is currently hurt. He's kind of the other threat to be the backup. But when you show out on tape, when the lights are on like that, that makes a big impression on your coach. All right, let's talk news. News and notes from around the league. Presented by USAA Insurance.

Well, we don't have adductor index.com, but George Kittle would be on it dealing with a strain in camp, expected to be sidelined for the next week, already had a groin injury. What was that last August? Missed some games due to that. This is, I mean, we're, it's part of the resume. It is. George Kittle at this point doesn't play complete seasons. Yeah, I mean, I'm not going to use the brittle word. Won't do it. But it rhymes. But people have done it. And then I wanted to mention this. We didn't talk about it yesterday. You know, it's just as something to pay attention to it's hard because they don't want to overstate it and I don't want to understate it. But Joe Mixon has two legal situations still to be, they still need to figure out what's going on with both of them. He had a situation at his home.

where somebody that was at his residence fired a weapon, shot somebody. There's a civil lawsuit. At? I don't think anybody actually got hit in the foot. Oh, got hit the foot. Okay. All right. You know, you can go read what took place and transpired. Joe Mixon's being represented in a civil lawsuit as somebody that was partially responsible for that event. And then there is a second trial and event that is taking place with regards to. And I don't know all the details, Mike, but it was a brandishing accusation, intimidation type of thing with a weapon. So a couple of weapon related things with Joe Mixing that I don't currently think they're going to impact this season. The one that's going to trial of Kyle, hopefully you can correct me if I'm wrong. This was the weird one where it was over the off season where it's.

The news came out that it was simply a threat of a firearm. Then it was perhaps there was actually a brandishing of a firearm. It's a misdemeanor charge of aggravated menacing over allegations of pointing a gun at a woman back in April. And then the police looked into it and then they dropped the case. So we all had kind of moved on. But they said at the time, we're going to. We're dropping it for now because we're going to be, but we're going to leave it open to gather more information. And it has since opened back up. So this is, there is a jury trial scheduled for Monday, the 14th. So it's something to keep an eye on. And generally speaking for the NFL, they wait until things have fully transpired at the legal system before they come down and do something. So I don't know how quickly this will move on Monday if this is a.

vote to go to trial or not. Again, certainly not lawyers. Definitely our least favorite part of this job is having to sort through this and figure this stuff out. But it's information that people need to be aware of. There is a situation going on. It's worth saying what we can comment on is that this team has not made roster decisions. Correct. That would lead you to believe they're going to be without Joe Mixen in any capacity this year. Trayvion Williams, Chase Brown. Chris Evans. Chris Evans and then Joe Mixon should be the guy as opposed to like the Camara situation. They did fill out that backfield in New Orleans. They knew something was going to happen. A couple of hype train pieces. I mean, I don't know if it's worthy of the actual. Yeah, it is. The Eagles won definitely. So let's start there and then I'll circle back to the Buffalo situation. But a lot of reports out of camp regarding the running back room in Philadelphia.

Kenneth Gainwell has increasingly been the team's early down back. He's had more than double the early down touches in training camp than any other running back. He's catching passes. The reports coming out of Eagles beat rider Shamis Clancy says he's had a much stronger camp than any other back. Vast majority of first team carries. When you look at the landscape in Philadelphia, you have two players that were brought in on one-year contracts, Rashad Penny D'Andre Swift. You have incumbents in Kenneth Gainwell, who got play last year alongside Miles Sanders and company. Yeah, especially in the playoffs. You got Boston Scott in the picture. And then you have Trey Sermon, who was actually on the roster last year. And if you read what beatwriters are talking about with Trey Sermin, they're not treating them like somebody on the roster bubble. They're giving them opportunities. In fact,

Rashad Piny, I think, has the second fewest first team opportunities at this point. So this is kind of a red alert situation. It is. They listed five backs as their number one running back. Their official depth chart was hysterical because it looks like everybody's normal depth chart. You know, oh, who's the quarterback one? Who's the quarterback two? And then at running back, they just got rid of all the positions and put five players with slashes. They're all the same. So what jumps out to me and see if you agree with this, but like Rashad Penny DeAndre Swift draft investments, which they've been the higher draft investments, they seem extremely risky. Like I think we could have a surprise cut of DeAndre Swift. Like that type of thing could happen because right now he looks like they're basically saying he's getting less and less involved throughout the training camp time period, only going to be a third down back. I just wonder if Kenneth Gainwell is going to be the back to own.

Yeah, there's a real strong possibility that there isn't a back to roster here because, you know, if Kenny Gainwell is more of the between the 20s type of running back, he's not going to score enough fantasy points. I think they might just have a massive rotation here, and we'll have to wait and see. Not all of these players are going to make the roster. So I think the way that one beat reporter put it, was with Rashad Penny, he is either really on the roster bubble and might not make the team or they're so confident that he is there one that they're arresting him. That was his takeaway. And it's like no one knows. No one has any idea what this rotation is going to look like right now. Yeah. So it just casts a big shadow of doubt over, you know, all of these players. And they could certainly get by with a more.

Kansas City Chiefs backfield committee situation. I mean, these are the two Super Bowl teams, and they both don't really have a 1A. It's like 1A, 1B, 1C, you know, combination. I would say it, I think the biggest takeaway for me is, I agree. We don't, this is, it seems like it's a bigger mess than we had hoped for. I've made some adjustments. I've kind of been on team Rashad Penny the entire off season. And. I have to slowly back away from that with the information we currently have. But the bigger takeaway is DeAndre Swift is still being drafted on Sleeper right now in the sixth round. Like this is a full red alert for you can't spend a six rounder on DeAndre Swift with this type of information. Rashad Penny becomes a pretty iffy pick, but he's going back in the ninth round. Meanwhile, Kenneth Gamewell.

he's like that's the end of your end of your draft. Like if you're in a home league, he's going to be a sneaky last round or second to last round of your positional players. So I'm more open to the idea of him. I'm more bullish than Jason laid out because Gamewell does have pass catching in his profile. Like Rashad Penny, that's, he's never been used like that in the pros. But Kenny Gamewell can get it done in all aspects. So if he ends up being the majority running back, I think he's going to have a very strong season. 5-9-200, only 121 career rushing attempts, has had 79 targets over two years, 56 receptions on those 79 targets. Let's pay close attention for the next couple of weeks in Philadelphia. Yep. And now let's move on to the running back room in Buffalo. Damien Harris missing time lately, knee injury. But when you look at what B-Wriders are talking about Buffalo Camp, Jason, most impressive players at camp thus far.

James Cook, who's going to have a huge opportunity with the first team this year. Great pass-catching ability. Dalton Kincaid, the rookie tight-in. In fact, both tight-ins are having great camps. And Latavius Murray. What is happening? Latavius! You know, it's funny because like two days ago I said the team added these backs and they want production from them. They don't care about our fantasy football hierarchy or who we think can contribute. or whether we think Damien Harris never got a fair shake in New England, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Here's what they care about. Latavius Murray has gone out there, got it done in practice. Huge plays. I mean, 71-yard touchdown in practice the other day. Chunk play after chunk play. He's 33. Yeah. How is he ripping off a 71-yard touchdown? Is this the drill where you can't tackle? I mean, at this point in time, Latavius Murray, who has been.

You know, he's had spurts of value in New Orleans and then Denver. Like, it's looking right now like Latavius Murray is going to have real opportunities on the goal line for this team. That's what I think is going to happen. And he's fully irrelevant for your fantasy leagues as far as drafting him. But what that does matter for is James Cook. James Cook, to me, is a very exciting back. His drumbeat the entire from mini camp, training camp, has been, everyone said he is the star of Buffalo's camp. The issue becomes, for fantasy purposes, will he be allowed to have touchdowns inside the, you know, in the green zone? Is that going to be a role that they'll even put him on the field for? Because in training camp right now, it looks like it's not. Now, he can get his touchdowns from.

you know, 10 yards out, 20 yards out, 40 yards out. And I think you'll see some of those. But if Latavius Murray keeps playing as well as he has been playing in camp, then when they get down near the goal line is going to be the bigger, stronger Murray in there. It could leave Damien Harris in a precarious situation too. If Murray's the goal line and James Cook is getting a lot of, like, Damien Harris is not going to catch passes. No. So then like you're getting some spelling of James Cook. snaps and it's a situation we will be keeping an eye on and i would just throw out if you're playing dynasty latavius murray could could be on that waiver wire like when when people had to make cuts to put those rookies i'm sure if if latavius is on my team i'd be like oh easy that's an easy cut 33 ah get out of here but he might be there

That was today's news and notes presented by USAA Insurance. Learn more at USAA.com slash insurance. The fantasy footballers mock draft. Oh, boy. Yeah, don't mind me. That was an intentional sound you made. That was an inadvertent. It was a roar. Yeah. That was a little bit lazy on the roar side. I'm reserved, Andy. Sometimes lions are sleepy. Preseason levels? Yes, it was a preseason roar. We are. Hopping into a mock draft live on the show today. Head to head to head. Three of us going at it. Ten team draft. First time we've done a mock draft 10 team format. We've had that request. Also doing a full PPR, not a half PPR. And we're throwing three wide receivers into the starting lineup along with two running backs, a quarterback, a tight end, and a flex and four bench. So it's going to be a little different, Jason. Mm-hmm. It's going to be a little different. I'm starting at the four spot.

And the fact that it's full PPR right now, we could say that the draft started with Christian McCaffrey, Justin Jefferson, and Austin Echler, which I don't, I mean, in a full PPR, those are three likely picks up top. Now sitting here at the four, I have to decide between, to me, it's Jamar Chase or Cooper Cup. In a full PPR, Cooper Cup, I mean, he should be the wide receiver one. But. He's running. Yeah, he's running. He's back. But since he carries a little bit more risk with the risk of Matthew Stafford staying healthy without a good offensive line and his own injuries coming back from, you know, the injury last season, having the injury currently, I can't take that risk when Jamar Chase is sitting there. So I will select Jamar Chase. You're a monster. Yeah, I know you wanted them.

I did want to jump in real quick and just talk about the difference between half and full PPR and how certain fantasy-wide receivers do perform differently based on those formats, you know, where, you know, Christian Watson, Deonte Johnson, Gabe Davis, Josh Palmer, we looked at their performance. There were only five wide receivers that shifted more than three spots based on the format change. Oh, that's interesting. Those were those guys. Christian Watson. uh in full he was down six spots he moved down because he was all just it was one catch it's big play guy um whereas like someone like dante johnson seven spots better in a full ppr because he's a possession type of receiver Gabe Davis makes perfect sense you bring him into a half or a standard format the value goes up babe Davis makes big plays Gabe the babe and then like Josh Palmer is five spot difference better in full

Adam feeling better in full, you know, you got to break it down by that big play versus possession. Moved like from wide receiver 80 to 78. 31 to 36, Mike. The Adam feeling like the turning on Adam feeling, it's ageism. You're both guilty of it. There's no need to be that. I mean, you used to like the guy. I love Adam Thiel. And then he's not like you had. I love Adam Thiel. Lies. Not for fantasy. Dirty lies. Not for fantasy. I hate Adam Thieling for fantasy. Because he's the only reason is because he's not going to be good for fantasy. I love Adam Thielen the man. And I have been a big proponent of him for fantasy when he was good. Yeah. Andy's voice tells me he didn't draft Adam Thielen last year.

So, yeah, and you, pretending like he had 50 spots difference from where he finished tells me you did. Yeah, I did. So that's how, that's like the retrospective ADP is based on your biases. Jason went with Jamar Chase. The only question mark around Chase is whether Joe Burrow will be out there in week one. There's a brand new injury. Blitz podcast, 33 minutes long. Oh, it's beefy. From Matthew Betts that just hit our Patreon at Jointhefoot.com was listening this morning. He threw shade on the idea that, you know, Cincinnati came out and thought it was a, you know, a grade one injury for Joe Burrow. He says that's hogwash, you know, it's definitely a grade two injury. So it's very questionable of whether he'll be back and ready to go.

Okay. So that could put Jamar Chase in a different quarterback category for a couple of weeks. But look, Jamar Chase is just too good of a ceiling to pass on there. I actually am having a hard time right here. It's not Cooper Cup. I'm not worried about Cooper Cup right here. I'm not going to take them because I have Tyree Kil ranked higher than Cooper Cup. I don't have to worry about the injury situation. I don't have to worry about a fragile line and a fragile quarterback and a fragile hamstring. So maybe the fragile quarterback. But Tyreek Hill, I have ranked higher. So he would be the pick here as three wide receiver. However, I am facing a dilemma. It's a 10-team league. I like the value of having the premium tight end when you're in a 10-te-format because it's just even more of an advantage than it is in a 12 or 14-team league. Travis Kelsey at 105 as a marked advantage above you two gentlemen.

It's interesting. So that's what I'm debating, is the Tyreek Hill versus Travis Kelsey. I figured because of the 10-team format here that one of you two would be selecting Kelsey. It is one of those things where every team is going to be a little bit better than what you're used to seeing in 12-team leagues. And so you really do need the positional difference makers who will give you an advantage over other teams. I'm going to go with Tyreek Hill. I'm going to let the three wide receiver format win it out for me. It's just such an expensive pick for Travis Kelsey. Thought long and hard about it. But Jason has Jamar Chase. I'm going to take Tyreek Hill here at the 105 and hand that Kelsey baton to Mike. See what he wants to do here, whether he goes with Cooper Cup or not. I knew as soon as Echler was the number three pick, I knew I would just get whoever was left over of the big wide receivers.

So now I just have to worry about is Cooper Cup number one or number two? All right. The rest of the first round, Kelsey went right after our three wide receiver picks. Then C.D. Lamb, who's been having an amazing camp in Dallas, Bijon Robinson, and Stefan Diggs rounding out the top 10. We'll circle back to the second round in a second. All right. We're through one round. Full PPR, 10 team, three wide receiver mock draft. Jason has Jamar Chase. I have Tyree Kill. Mike has Cooper Cup. And here we go in the second round. San Juan, off the board first, then Patrick Mahomes, Nick Chubb, and A.J. Brown. We are back. Mike is on the clock. Someone to pair with Cooper Cup. So I am really struggling here with this pick, which sounds a little bit ridiculous. But let me explain. So in my rankings, now maybe this is.

Tough here. It's Devante Adams is clearly my highest ranked wide receiver. He's sitting at wide receiver 8 for me. And yet I find myself struggling. Do I go with him or in the, because it's the PPR, do I take the safety of Amun Ra and eliminate the hullabaloo of the Raiders and Jimmy Garoppolo? And I know, Andy, you're strongly. Would you just be like, yep, Devante Adams? The full PPR and my, I'm very bullish on Amman Ra as well. So I'm very comfortable with whoever you decide to take. And then at the running back position, like, because it's three wide receiver, full PPR with the flex, this is if you are going to go with a hero RB or a zero RB build, this is where you do it. This is, this is exactly where you do it. But Tony Pollard is there.

I think he's going to catch a whole bunch of passes as well. And I feel very comfortable with him. And I guess there is a little bit of discomfort going with Devante Adams, which is one of those things that could be very, very silly in about four weeks. But I'm going to go, I'm going to take Tony Pollard here. Yes. Well, that's great because Jason knows what the situation is. And. I'm going to take Devante Adams in the second round. So Jason will be able to select who he desires. What are the fist pumps for? The fist pumps are for Amon Rae St. Brown. Nice. I would. I mean, he's in PPR for me. He's clearly the highest ranked guy here. He's ahead of a lot of people that, you know, would usually go ahead of him. I think at a full PPR three wide receiver to get Alman Ra on the second is a delight. I was worried because to me there was Devante Adams.

And there was Amon Ra. I would have taken Amman Ra over Devante Adams just for the whole avoiding the chance that the Raiders implode. Yeah, I mean, last year, Devante Adams had 44 more targets than Amman Rae St. Brown. I'm very cozy with Adams. I think I would have been cozy with Amman Rae had Mike taken Adams. So through two rounds, Mike has Cup and Pollard. Only one of us with a running back on the roster. I have Hill and Adams. Jason is Chase and Amunrah St. Brown. The rest of the second round went three running backs, unfortunately. Henry, Taylor, Jacobs. Jacob's now at 210 in this mock draft. Jalen Wattle. I love Jonathan Taylor and Josh Jacobs. They're just right next to each other where it's like, oh, okay. The tier is like, we got to take the chance on them now at the back of the second, but every time I'm looking at those guys.