Week 4 Waivers & Streamers + Ring of Honor Ceremony - Fantasy Football Podcast for 9/24

to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Okay. Welcome in. That was like hacksaw Jim Duggan. Oh. An A for effort, Andy. Yeah. I knew today would be, I don't know, sometimes you wake up in the morning and you just know it's not going to go well. And then I have to decide am I going to try it? My voice is just going through something. Yeah, it's a, this is, there comes a stage in every man's life. No. Where your voice starts changing. And, uh, you know, you're going to, you're going to find some, some cool things happening to your body. Is it a second puberty? Yes. Is that what that is? It's actually, I'm well past it. Uh, yeah, you don't get hair in strange places. You lose it in strange places. Yes, you do. Uh, oh, all right. Uh, welcome into the fantasy footballers.

Andy Mike and Jason with you Tuesday, September 24th, waiver day. Lots of names to talk about, get you ready for your waiver pickups, how much fab you should drop, whether you burn that waiver spot and whether some of the free agents that put up big numbers are going to keep doing it. Or whether they're landmines. Yeah. I mean, you necessarily are taking a risk because every waiver day. is generally the result of either injury or a singular performance by a player that moves him from should be on the waiver wire to should be on a roster. And so you're taking a chance. Or in the case of Joanne Jennings should be on the waiver wire is the number one wide receiver. I thought you're going to say Hall of Fame. In the national football league. Yeah. I mean, better performance by Juan Jennings than the career of Debo and the career of Brandon. Yeah, he's clearly their wider receiver won now. I don't know.

Ayuk looked like about a wide receiver four in that game. Yeah. He's still got targets here. Is that good or is that bad? It's always good when you actually get targets. He had 10. He had 10 targets. Now is it good? That's sensational. Also, Brock Purdy was playing out of his mind. Brock Purdy looked great in that game when targeting Joanne Jennings. It's a weird one. I mean, I don't know. You could blame it on a lack of camp. You could blame it on human nature. The bag. Oh. The bag gets deposited. Don't blame it on that one. I mean. Don't blame it. That one is too long term. That's what we call the Gallaudet. I fully blame it on the no camp. Did he stay at a Gallaudet Express? Is this the problem? He stayed at a Gallaudet Express. Yes.

Better do something soon, Brandon. But the targets, the targets would be the Amari Cooper argument of the last two weeks where Amari Cooper's numbers were there target wise. He wasn't connecting. He had some drops just like Brandon Ayyuk. This isn't where I'm like, hey, he got 33% of the targets. Like that's, that's an insane number. And then you're like, if you look at the Colts, like hey, this guy, Pittman got so much of the target share. But it was only like a few passes. It was 33% of the targets and 10 targets. I do think it's going to turn around. Tomorrow we're having a trade for tradeaway show. Very excited for that. So maybe his name will come up. Maybe. It could be in either category. I don't know. We would like to remind you, especially today, that if you head over to join thefoot.com and you sign up to support the podcast, not only do you get an extra episode of the show every week and a ton of premium tools and resources.

But you get access to the new ultimate dashboard, which is a lineup optimizer. I had a night last night. I dropped my son off at practice, pickleball practice. They're doing that now, huh? And there's an outback in the parking lot, and this is where I watch the Monday night football games now. And so, you know, I'm over there, and I put the word out on the Twitter. I was like, what do you think about the dashboard so far? And a lot of people were saying, Their favorite thing about using the ultimate dashboard is managing multiple leagues. It gives you the kind of express lane to waiver pickups that are individualized to each league, spot start options, and then your lineup gets optimized based on our projections every week. Yeah, I heard a lot of spot starts in their league for Joanne Jennings. They used that tool and it said, hey, you should maybe pick this guy up off of waivers of stard him.

And they did and it worked out pretty well. Yeah, I had a real, like I'm in too many leagues. So I was a believer in Jennings and I picked them up in pretty much all of the leagues. But then I had to stare down those starts and decisions in all of them. And I played them in about half. And I sat them in about half. And had I not sat them, those would have been all wins. So that was a hard, a hard thing to go through. But let's talk about, let's talk about Monday night football. I enjoyed the heck out of both games happening at the same time.

Well, you were at the Outback. Yeah. So you had both games on. Hashtag not a sponsor. It seems like it all of a sudden. Hey, who doesn't love a blooming onion? But I was, I was sitting there and I wanted the input. I wanted the double input when a commercial break was going on. Yeah. And I had the phone and it worked fine. Both games were on. Now one game was over in about 15 seconds. And I'm not, I'm not sure that Josh Allen couldn't have thrown for nine touchdowns in this game. because he was unbelievable. I mean, he threw for four first half touchdowns. He did whatever he wanted to do. That was the phrase I was going to say. Just whatever he wanted. He just, he dropped back and he goes, who do I want to give a touchdown to on this? Right. And then he made that happen. He divvied him out. He sure did. I mean, it was an incredible performance. You get a touchdown. You get a touchdown. Ray Davis, you get a touchdown. Ray Davis got a two? Kalil Shakir, you get a touchdown. Dalton Kincaid, you get a touchdown. Ty Johnson, you get a touchdown.

Keon Coleman, you get a touchdown. And Keon Coleman had one catch. He was benched in the first quarter, apparently for some disciplinary actions. Yeah, if you wondered like me, right when that game started, I was like, wait, where's Keon Coleman? Because I thought this would be a good matchup for him, a heavy man defense. And then he's not in the game. And then the next drive, he's not in the game. It's like, what happened? Why is it apparently showed up late and got the bench? And then Daniel Jones played pretty bad for the Jaguars. Did you see the play where he spun out of nothing? Have you got to see that play yet? I have seen it. There was a little hint of pressure. Well, you know, pressure and spinning need to be kind of connected. My guys can't just spin all the time by accident. Okay. Someone hit the button. Yeah. Okay. It happens. Trevor Lawrence looked awful. Travis E.T.N. did the best he could do under the circumstances. 11 for 68 is great. It was.

pretty wow it was a very clear not time share in this that was the one takeaway was like etienne 11 carries tank bigsby had two this was not bigsby actually did have a couple other runs that got called back on penalty so they they don't count but they were like they were both really good runs looked good but i'm just saying the split the split and who was on the field who was given the opportunity was predominantly etian so did you feel confident in that or he was just coming back from an injury Yeah, yeah. I mean, right now, I still think it's ETN as the clear leader of the timeshare. Yeah, and he's a good player. ETN is not, this is not a Rashad White situation where, you know, the underlying metrics for Travis E.T.N or that he is, you know, not a good between the tackles runner and can't get it done. So to me, his role is safe. It's just a matter of, you know, how complimentary will Biggs B.B. Sure. On the other side, James Cook, Mike's my guy.

continues to. We're looking good. To dominate. And then if you had to start a white out or a pass catcher, let's put it that way for Buffalo rest of the season. Congratulations. You did it. It just feels like Khalil Shakir is the lock in that regard, which is kind of the way that, you know, it looked to begin this season. But it was nice to see Dalton Kincaid redeem the tight-in position slightly. Well, and then. Slightly. I mean, he had to have been like the tight-in three on the week or something. Yeah, he's definitely top five. He had a touchdown. The, I'll go look.

Yeah, I mean, with Kincaid, this is two weeks in a row where to start the game, he was an incredibly important piece of this offense. He was down the field. He was used in screen games. It was like, okay, let's go. This is Dalton Kincaid. And then game's over. One quarter in, games over. The bills are too good right now. They are too good right now. Their defense is too good right now. I do think Kincaid is someone we should be. not worried about that that first week performance you were really really really worried the next game he's super involved and then out of you know and then out of hand this game super involved in out of hand can we get a full game can we get a full game where buffalo has to pass regularly at a normal like neutral game script we got on the road against Baltimore on the road against Houston okay those are on the road against the jet so we got three road games here all right

The other game, Monday night football game number two featured another my guy, Jaden Daniels, who went 21 for 23, a 91% completion percentage. Talking to you, Anthony Richardson. Near perfection. 24 and 2. Another one on the ground looked in complete command of the commanders. And it was awesome. He was so calm, cool, and collected in the pocket. You never worried. Every time it was fourth and short, you're like with his legs. you know, the rollout and the option of, hey, let's just leak Terry McLaurin, you know, on that side of the line and I'll run on this side of line and you defender, you pick which one you want me, which way you want me to pick up the first. It was really well executed game plan. Their offense looked unstoppable. And if you look at the metrics around the NFL, their offense is like the number one office. Did you see the tweet from Jordan Schultz? I did not. This is the first time in the Super Bowl era.

ever that a team has gone two consecutive games with no turnovers and no punts. Wow. No turnovers, no punts. Yeah, their offenses. For Cliff Kingsbury. Do you have the hate blockers? I mean, I don't have those glasses. Al Borland, can you throw those on? Oh, crap. Oh, he threw him at you. I heard throw. It was too late. I guess I'm the, I guess I'm the Cliff Kingsbury. Doppler. Congratulations. Let's just put these on while we talk about Cliff and that offense. But there was a big injury, Austin Echler. Who was looking awesome. He looked so good. There was, dude, there was a play. I don't know if you remember exactly what I'm talking about where it was just, it was a lateral cut. Was it one of my play calls? It was, yeah, thank you. Great call.

But, me, he looked like he teleported. His, his sideways movement was so twitchy. It was like, and Hey, Austin. As a kick returner, as a kick returner, I mean, he's looking incredible. He had a huge one last week that was called back. And then a huge one this week that, that so great. Great idea, Cliff, in putting him in on special teams. Austin Eckler is awesome, excellent. So what I do with my backup running backs. But also, congratulations on the wild call that I, look, I'm more of aggressive in my tendencies, and I still would not have made this call. But I mean, it worked. The, you know, the pass at the end of the game to just completely seal the game deep to Tara McLaurin in the end zone. One-on-one, baby. I mean. When he's in one-on-one, I tell Jaden chuck it. And Jaden.

I mean, Jay did this week. We appreciate that. You know, the balls are just incredible. They're crisp. They're accurate. They are. They are. They are. They're everything. Everything you want balls to be. Okay. So just keep, keep digging. You'll get out eventually. Listen, the sad part of the end of that story for Echler is that he was concussed in this game. And I believe he stayed. He didn't fly right away. Yeah, he didn't fly right away. So Echler is, you know, in trouble. Terry McLaurin, four for a hundred and a touchdown. You have to, you have to breathe as a fantasy football manager in general. I can remember going back and there was this year where we called Matt Forte a bust on the show. And Matt Forte came out and he scored and he looked great for two, three weeks.

And so we were under fire. But then the entire rest of the season was a completely different story for Matt Forte. And so you have to breathe anyway in fantasy. Three weeks is a short period of time with a wide, you know, a divergence of opponents, right? Your defenses that you face. We think you underperform, but then that defense really is good. And we think you overperform, but then that, you know what I mean? And then when the rookie is part of the picture on top of the three weeks, it's even different. Like Jane Daniels, oh, they're never going to throw a down field. Really? His whole career is defined by two games. He did this game. Four for a hundred to Terry McLaren. So, you know, you're going to figure out what you're capable of doing. You're going to protect your rookie quarterbacks early. You're going to put them into positions to take chances later on. And that was also a really, really good back and forth game. Now, on the other side, the Bengals right now are 0 and 3.

Crazy. The Bungles are back, baby. The Bungles are back. And listen, here's the headline. They're going to play Carolina next week. They've lost to New England. Okay. New England's projected win total was what? Four and a half, I think. Okay, they've lost to the commanders. They're projecting win total. Maybe five and a half? Maybe five and a half. Carolina, in Carolina, Andy Dalton, this is not a guaranteed win of any kind. And then they have to play Baltimore. So if they don't beat Carolina next week, They could be sitting 0 and 5. Their defense is really, really struggling. The Bengals have, you know, look, I mean, I don't want to take anything away from Washington and what Jane Daniels did and what the game plan you called Cliff. Thank you. It was great. But the Bengals are struggling. They've got some injuries back there and they are not putting up strong fights. And yes, this was a good fantasy day for Joe Burrow, who's the start of the week, 324 and 3.

We just talked about the fact we hadn't had a 303 other than Andy Dalton. We got it with Joe Burrow. They lost the ball game. Jamar Chase, six for 118 and two. This is what you should do against the commanders. Mm-hmm. And so he did it, which was nice to see. And then Yoshivas got a touchdown. T. Higgins did nothing. It's three for 39. He had an end zone target that actually that Burrow screwed up. Higgins, it should have been an easy touchdown. Their red zone was an issue. The red zone offense is. Oh, it's atrocious. They have no idea what to do. In the red zone is where they miss Joe Mixon. They really, really do. I mean, Joe Mixen was very important in the red zone last year for them. And every time I see them give it to Zach Moss, it's like, he was, he was okay. He had a touchdown. I mean, he had a good fantasy game. It was the start of the week, great, but he did not look. Got that garbage, tutty. He did not look.

great and he's just not Joe Mixing. I have a difference of opinion. I thought Zach Moss looked fine. I thought like I had several times where he took off running. I was like, oh man, they gave Chase Brown another carry because he, Chase Brown was great. Yeah, Chase Brown had juice. Like Chase Brown is fast. But I'm saying there was a couple runs to me whereas I didn't think it was Zach Moss. I thought it was Brown. I think it was Brown. No, no. So I mean, I have a. I just, I disagree with that. I think Zach Moss has played well. I think that the, the play calling has been the problem. Play calling has been a real problem. And they, they lost their right tackle. Yeah, Trent Brown. So he, like, Patelotendant tear, it was, so he will be out for. That's not going to help the running game. No. Or the protection of Joe Burrow. I would say, Andy, while you're saying, no, take the breath, I would also with Washington. Like, it's, it's very exciting.

But the last two games was the Giants and the Bengals. Now they go on the road against Arizona. They're playing in Cleveland, Baltimore. So the next three are, they're more difficult on the defensive side of the ball. I don't think Arizona is any more difficult than the Giants on the defensive side of the ball. Giants have a pretty good pass rush. Yeah, Arizona has been, they're in the upper echelon three games in terms of, I think, schedule adjusted or points given up. But I agree. No pass rush. It should be a fun game in Arizona. That's going to be one you want pieces of. All right. Actually, sorry, real quick. I hate to cut in. I know we got a full show. But Mike, that project that you had us work on that you said to move to top priority. Yes. We got that done for you. Oh, yes. Excellent. Oh, guys. So did you watch the Sunday night football game? Atlanta, Kansas City. Yeah. So halftime. This is not good. At halftime. I was so inspired by what took place at halftime.

Let's go. Oh, you're talking about when Arthur Blank? After a bold self-nomination, the fantasy footballer's ring of honor is proud to induct the fantasy hitman. I did it. I did it, everybody. The first ever fantasy footballers ring of honor member. Wow. Oh, my God. I have so many people to thank. How much, I mean, I don't know how much time I have here. As much as you need. It's your show. This was, so docers, thank you. uh andy jason thank you for for lifting me up to this place where i could finally achieve my dream of getting into the ring of honor by myself incredible you inducted yourself so you're the only one well yeah oh yeah yeah i'll probably shut it down after this but thank you guys i your support the fans wow i could not have got here without everyone really helping it was a team effort to get me

into my ring of honor. Wow. Congratulations. Can we give him a round of applause? The people love it. Can we give them a round of a plus? Unbelievable. Wow. You were inspired by Arthur Blank himself. Has that happened before? Has an owner put himself in the ring of honor while still alive and owning the team? That's the thing. When you're dead. Yeah, well, let somebody else do it when you're dead. I think I think Papa Bidwell is in our ring of honor for the Cardinals. Yeah, but that's, yeah. This is like, oh. thought, I mean, formerly Mike probably thought he had to die. I did. I didn't know I could do this. And then you were inspired by Arthur Blank. Yeah. Wow. There's no rules when it comes to celebrating yourself. This is good to know because I should start in a podcast award company. Oh, that's a great idea. Wow. Thank you. Thank you for taking the time. Mike really was a taken back by that ceremony. I will say this. When I heard that Arthur Blank was being inducted into their ring of honor, the,

first second i heard about it all i thought was what what and the owner is inducting himself into the ring of honor sort of award and i tweeted out about and people from atlanta were quick to they're like hey blank has done a lot of good stuff here i'm like that's all fine and well but the optics are you put yourself in your own ring of honor it's very i mean it's not fun no it's not funny at all actually it's very serious business Me and Arthur. Oh, yeah. Ring of Honor guys. Super legit. All right. Let's talk news. News and notes from around the league. Presented by USAA Insurance. Now that I think about it, there might be another inductee pretty soon. Yeah. Yeah, one or two. Yeah, there might be one or two more. Incredible. We have to really think about who to put in there. I mean, he had to have just been sitting there looking at his ring of honor going.

Why am I not in here? I own the team. He's just jealous of these players. Where's my name? Wow. All right. Sean McVeigh told reporters Cooper Cups going to miss another week at least. It's probably going to be more than that. But week four, no Cooper Cup. Najee Harris, yesterday on the show, I talked about him having an opportunity. They've got offensive line issues. And then right after the show, we found out he had his arm in a sling. Now per Jordan Schultz. Nahy's expected to be fine and likely to be ready for the game. Yeah, I mean, if you watch the end of the game, he was fine. Like he didn't, you know, he was, he didn't get injured on his last run. He was there, you know, at the very end. So, um, it's good to hear. I think we can be confident with Najee. All right. Sam LaPorte a day to day with a sprained ankle. It was a low sprained ankle we found out. Yeah. What was all this?

median or right side. I don't know. What was all this ovary talk? That was only you. Well, still, it was wrong. It had nothing to do with his uterus at all. That's a way to be accountable. Yeah. Chris McCaffrey is seeing a specialist in Germany for his Achilles. And I had to laugh when Mike shared that he might be put in, he might be put in a dash boot. Yeah. Very nice tweet. This is Ali is enjoying today's episode of the show. I mean, how do you think I got in the ring of honor guys? Oh, it was the dust. Killer tweets like that. So I have seen some some information from medical professionals out there. I checked in with Betts, our medical guy did see if he agreed with it. And he did for the most part. It was Jeff Mueller who had put out a really thorough thread about it. You can go check it out. But essentially what they're saying is.

He will probably be out, like Betts, his best guess about timeline, because after you get the treatment, you really have to let it heal, let it recover. So Betts is guessing week 10 right now, which is after, they have a week nine by. So again, these are, we don't know for sure, but this is the speculation. Yeah, and the reason he's going to Germany is because he can basically get a higher dose than he can get here. Yeah, they are their top of the line over there. Yesterday we talked about if you're the Jordan Mason manager, like maybe going out and trying to really trade for Christian McCaffer to secure that spot feels like you don't want to give up that much now. No, it's going to lower your price. It's going to be a while. Brock Purdy has back soreness day to day. And then a reminder from Matthew Betts, who by the way, you get an injury blitz podcast, an extra episode of that as well as a member of Jointhefoot.com. So every week.

Matthew Betts jumps on, talks about the injuries, talks about the prognosis for these players with a, what we call a medical education, something we. He doesn't even have to use AI. He's not a lot of uterus talk, but he wanted to point out that there are some IR players eligible to return to practice soon, not guaranteed to return, eligible to return. Clyde de lair who could play a. factor in the backfield in Kansas City. And remind Clyde Edwards-Alair was a, this was a mental health thing. He was, he's been dealing with some PTSD from events in his past. So he was shut down for the first four weeks. Torrico did talk about the, that the chief's expectation as of right now is as soon as week five. You have him back. All right. Kendri Miller, eligible to return from the hamstring after week four.

To the dog house. Is he? Ricky Pearsall would be eligible, DJ chart. Jonathan Brooks would be eligible to return in week five from the PUP. I think it's going to still be a little bit. Yeah, same with Hawkinson. He would be eligible, but they're targeting a week seven return according to Jeremy Fowler. Hawkinson will be a hard one to figure out what to do right away. But look at your other options right now. I mean. I was going to say you started right away. I am starting. I'm starting Hawkinson in his first week. Yeah, probably. Probably. I mean, if I've got Kincaid and he's looking good or if I've got McPryde, okay, whatever. But more than likely, the team that has picked up Hawkinson to wait for him or drafted him as a second guy, they don't have a great option. So when he's back, maybe he's averaging five yards of reception. But if he's getting five or six receptions a game, great, he's the tight end one. It's just funny to think that this team that looks so good right now, Addison should return this week.

And then Hawkinson will return at some point. So the wheels are going to fall off. Right. That's what I hear. That was today's news and notes presented by USAA Insurance. Learn more at USAA.com slash insurance. We'll take a break and then hit the waiver wire. Let's jump in. To the waiver wire presented by NFL Sunday ticket on YouTube TV. All right. If you want a fully custom waiver wire rankings for your league. Jump into the ultimate dashboard. You can do that at join the foot.com. We will be, we have more names in that waiver list than we'll talk about on the show. We try to keep the names that we talk about on the show to, you know, 50% or less roster percentage. We don't want to talk about names that are probably rostered in the majority of leagues. So that doesn't mean that they're not available in yours because.

If it's an 85% roster, there's 15% of leagues that he's not rostered. But today, I want to start at the running back position. I kind of want to just share where I'm out with a couple of names and then get out of the way and let you guys talk about where you're at. At the tippy top of our list right now, under 50% rostered, but really close to that number. Braylon Allen and Bucky Irving, both I think are great pickups. Braylin Allen's the backup running back in New York, a rookie, a rookie in Tampa Bay. Both have looked... Awesome on limited opportunities. I have Bucky Irving ranked higher than Braylon Allen. Both should be picked up. If both were out there, I'd put bids on both of them. The only reason I have Bucky Irving higher is because I think the disparity between Brees Hall and how foundational his role is and the difference between that and what Rashad White can do between the tackles dealing with the groin injury and the fact Bucky Irving could catch passes and earned more targets. Like I went, I went back.