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Fantasy Football 2018 - The TRUTH About Fantasy TEs in 2017

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I can't fathom that on that show, I'm going to be very kind to Mike Rable, who has been announced the head coach of the Tennessee Titans. Oh. I like Mike Rable. Like I liked him as a player. I liked him as a coach. When it was Hard Knocks and he was, I think he was just like a linebacker's coach. I liked him. I didn't think he was anything great, but you want to talk about a premature hire. This guy was like.

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a one-year defensive coordinator with a wink. Like Romeo Cronnell was there as the assistant head coach and really was partially a defensive coordinator. And then I know you had some injuries for your defense, but also your defense sucked the second half of the year. Oh, you're hired. Upgrade. You're a head coach. I think he's in over his head, but I hope he's not.

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I'll look into it more for that show. The Giants have hired Pat Schumer as their head coach. Do you like that higher? Yeah, I do. I mean, when the Cardinals head coaching gig was open, I wouldn't have mind if he came. It's kind of a little bit of a retread, but he's not entirely a retread because his head coaching experience, it didn't count. It was the short-lived time with the Browns. Yeah, if you coach the Browns, you get a pass. He's like, no.

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No. Hugh Jackson does not get a pass from me. All right. No. But pass from her also did not go one in 31. Yes. That's what I'm saying. This is not a blanket statement for all Browns coaches. All right. We'll see what he can do. The Browns have hired ex-Steeler's OC Todd Haley is their offensive coordinator. I love it. Yeah, I think that's a great hire. Todd Haley always has fantastic offenses. Nobody likes working with them, but they always produce. Yeah. So a couple years.

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And it's a very interesting unit with Corey Coleman, Josh Gordon. Who's the quarterback? We're not sure yet. Will it be Kaiser? Will they take someone at the number one pick in the NFL draft? Possibly Siquan Bargley? Maybe. Who knows? Maybe. And so let's get into the truth here. But before we do that, we want to thank today's sponsor, Pristine auction. Fookland, you know that name.

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All right, the truth about tight ends. And just to review real quick, I know Jason mentioned it, but here's our breakdown. Great games are more than 15 points because on average that put you at about a top three. Good games are more than nine points. It's about a top 10 finish on average. And the bus games are fewer than seven points. Generally, that puts you outside of the top.

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16. This is all done based on half point PPR scoring. The best. Yes, the only scoring format to use. The PPR people are going to come out of the woods at me on that one. A quick review or should say overview of the tide end. We had six tight ends with 100 plus targets. That was the same as 2016. Although we only had four tight ends was 75 plus receptions. That was down by one.

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Only two tight ends with 1,000 yards. However, because tight end we talk about is a streamable position, 12 tight ends had five or more touchdowns. Can you believe that 12? Yeah, it does make sense. I mean, the tight end position is one of those where when you stream, that's what you're looking for is who's got the matchup and the body, you know, size and utilization in their office to just get a touchdown that game. Yeah, one for one for one yard.

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And a touchdown. And then you've, you've done it. Yeah, you got the tight end points that you need. You streamed successfully. And start at the top. Rob Grancowski, number one, however, consistency rank number two. Oh, what a loser. I bet you're disappointed. Oh, Rob Grunkowski. Man, you're embarrassing. That's embarrassing. 14 games. While he was only, oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Oh, do, do, do, do.

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Wait, we need breaking news? Yeah, we need breaking news. I'm going to have to find the button. Oh, stop. Breaking news. Rob Grankowski is actually the number one inconsistency score. Oh, you ruined it. Yeah, he was pissed. That number two is. He demanded a recount and he got it? Yes, because earlier while we were just double checking all of the work, I realized that he was still showing up for a week 17 score.

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even though he did not have any stamps in the game should not have been, took him out of that. And he did end up number one. So congratulations, Grom. Oh, man. We retract all those loser statements. Your trophy is in the mail. Yes, and rightfully so. I mean, he. Dominant. He was dominant this year. It's funny because when you look at tight ends, there were, there were only five tight ends this season who had a bust rate under 40%.

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Meaning like, that's five guys. This is why I said it's terrible. It's all you could have. Otherwise, you're busting at least more than 40%. However, there were three guys, Gronk being one of them, that actually had a pretty low bust rate. Grunk only busted 23% of the time. So those games that really kind of hurt you, you are fine taking that less than a quarter of the time percentage chance to have a, and this is what's insane about Gronk. Yes.

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A 54% chance at having one of those weeks that finishes basically as a top three. Over 15 fantasy points. We call that redoncule. We call that regronculous. Yes. We got there. That is very gronculous. But to have a great week winning type performance more than half the time, that's why we were very bullish on gronk coming into this season. Oh, for the price? Yeah, for the price. You could get them, you know.

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very late by comparison. So like this next year, he'll be a late first round. He's going back in the first round. And we won't draft him. Yeah, exactly. He's dominant in Robert Gronkowski, 57 first down receptions this season, most among tight ends in the NFL. So if you were up in that Scotty Fishbowl. Oh, yeah. Where you got the point for first down? Gronk was nice. Well, kind of. He was nice. We had him, right, on our Scotty Fishbowl league. And it was beautiful until we, uh,

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finished first in our league, then we go to the playoffs. And he was a big dummy, and he put that hit. Yeah. And he had to get a suspension. And he got suspended for the week where then we go out. And I'm sure everyone who had grunk went out that week. So number two, Travis Kelsey and Travis Kelsey, while he's number two in the fantasy finish, he was point nine points behind gronk. So he was really one B. Consistency rank, however, number three.

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Not bad by any stretch, but he's not number two. He did not do's deuce. No, you know, what you need to realize, though, one thing to keep in mind. So our consistency scores, they're injury agnostic, meaning it's only when you played, how were you? Because if you really didn't play that game, like for instance, that's why we take, you know, the week 17 away from Grong, nobody started him in that week. So he didn't actually hurt you.

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You can make the argument that, well, sure he did because you had to find someone else. But Kelsey played 15 games, whereas Gronk played 13 games. So 1A1B is not really the case. I would say he was a firm second place here, but he was definitely good. Got off to a slower start this season, if you remember in a week one.

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He had a week that was disappointing. Every tight end out there had a disappointing week one. And then week three, he had another bad week. So he was a guy that some people were able to acquire early on and really helped your season. From that point on, he was pretty much a stud. They utilized him in ways that we had been hoping and dreaming. Well, not just.

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not just hoping. They utilized him in ways that you were pushing heavy in the last off season where his, he only had, what was the four touchdowns in 2016, but his opportunities for scoring plays did not match the four touchdowns. And you had, you were calling for a big time touchdown. I had gone back and watched every, every single one of the.

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10 zone anywhere every single target and utilization that they had for kelsey inside the 10 zone and it it was a clear indicator that look he is used some of those things he should have had probably three more touchdowns on fluke plays down at the one type plays or just dropped a pass in the end zone so

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while the narrative before the season was that Kelsey's great, but he's not really a touchdown option, I think that completely has to go away, not just based on this year, not just based on the fact that, well, he had a lot of touchdowns this year, but based on the year prior where he should have had more, even with that utilization. Again, we kind of brought this up in the beginning. If Pat Mahomes takes over, maybe it's better. Right. I would assume year one, it's going to be worse. Travis Kelsey.

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was tied for ninth with 20 red zone targets. I'll take that. And that's of receivers. I'm not talking about tight ends. Yeah. Receivers. That's great. So he was utilized. He was fantastic. Number three. Number one in my heart. Mr. Zach. Zach Hertz. Consistency rank of number two. A fantastic breakout year. 74 for 8224. Eight touchdowns 110.

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targets was good 79% of the time when he played great games 21% a bust rate of only 21% so that's actually the lowest that's the best out of all tight ends well besides besides uh is it's gronk gronk was 23% after you recalculated the number the recalc gronk busted 23% of the time the recalc as we say in the industry totes mcote's bro

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No, and that's why I loved Zach Ertz coming into this year, and that's why I would rank him ahead of Kelsey, because while Grunk can give you the asinine 54% of big blow-up games, Kelsey's great, Ertz is great, they can both give you blow-up games, but they don't do it at that level. It's Gronk on his own tier, and then from that point on, what I care about with tight ends, if I'm going to pay capital,

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is not your big blowup games. It's how often do you not suck? Because if I'm paying capital, if I'm paying capital for a tight end, I'm probably playing him every week. I'm not going to bench him in a bad matchup. I'm probably just going to, you know, play him. I don't want a roster two tight ends if I spent up on a tight end. And that's why I love Zach Gertz because his bust rate is so low because he's really a PPR guy. He's a possession receiver. And going forward with Carson Wince,

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in place. There, there is, I love every single thing about Zach Erds. I even think his name is fantastic. Do you know how many names of, of teams come from, pun names can come from Zach Ertz? Yes, and they're, they're all delightful. Yeah. Now, Zach Ertz averaged about 59 receiving yards per game, put him at third for tight ends. It was a great season, but where is Zachert's going to go in the draft and?

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Add on top of that, you have some concerns for Carson Wentz returning from such a late season ACL tear. Will Zach Ertz be a love of your life coming in the next season? Of course, very early. Sure. I have no worries of my worries for Wince is the fantasy production he's going to lose from running the ball because it's so ridiculously valuable for quarterbacks when it shouldn't be.

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