Week 13 Studs & Duds + Vanishing Players, Injury Reactions! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 12/4

an elite fantasy option for players last year. It was because of touchdowns. And the year before in Arizona. I was like you, you saw some signs of life from the offense, but now Hollywood Brown's going down, Trey McBride's going to be the guy. That game was so weird. That game was rain delayed two different times. And the second time, it was so long. We forgot that the game wasn't over. Chuba Hubbard, 25 carries for 104 yards, two touchdowns. What the heck, man? No, this is really important. Chuba is, I mean, this is the first game. That's back-to-back games, right? No, this is the first game with the new coaching staff. Oh, yeah, but I'm saying he was the RB 11 last week against Tennessee. Yes, but two weeks ago with old coaching staff, you had Miles Sanders in there still getting 15 carries. Miles Sanders was, he had eight carries in this game.

Chuba is their back going forward with this new coaching staff. All right. Christian McCaffrey did his thing. Isaiah Pacheco, 18 for 1, 10, and 1. And punched a guy in the helmet. Got objective for punching somebody in the helmet, probably breaking his own hand. That's really smart. What are we doing here? But he's been dominant. At least, like, give him the earhole clap. Oh, nobody's ever done that. Nobody's done an earhole clap to try to. I mean, like, that would be a devastating. Mess with your equilibrium? Yeah. Maybe I'll go neck. No. Whoa. You know what I mean? Like the jabbed in that. Just break the trache you, man. Whoa. I'm just saying, get out there and be a man. We're going to get ejected. Get ejected for. For breaking a trache. Attempted murder. Breaking a trache. Jason's having a good weekend. Ripped the trakes out, man. He's having a good weekend, everybody. Going for the turkey? Yeah.

Oh, that's a good movie. If he's eliminated, this is what you have to look forward to for the next four weeks. Kyron Williams, the, he was all right, 21 for 88, got the throwaway unnecessary touchdown. Oh, it was necessary. Thank you, Karen. You see the, you see Sean McVeigh's comments? No. He came out and said, well, obviously there was some debate on whether we just took the knee or tried to score, but I have Karen on my fantasy team. And then he said, I'm joking. I know, but he did say that. But I love that. Yeah, I love it. Thank you, McVeigh. And it's the first time I've hit the panic alarm drop and done it correctly. Good work. You're proud of him, you know how close I was to hitting that button again? I was watching you. I was ready to turn the lights back on when you left us in the dark. Unstoppable Rashad White, 24 in a touchdown. Five more targets. Atlanta Green Bay, Jacksonville coming up. He's the RB6 on the year.

Rashad White is sort of, you know, kind of budget McCaffrey. I mean, it's crazy to say that, but this is a player who's had double-digit fantasy points every week since week seven. He is a player that I feel like the only way you know that Rashad White has been the man is if he's on your team. He's one of those guys where I think the public perception still does not match. his output, which has been elite. Like, he has been an elite fantasy running back. Completely. Yeah, the last seven games played, he would be on pace for 1,000 rushing yards and 700 receiving yards on 72 receptions. Yeah, I mean, he's just been a machine in terms of giving you solid production every week that doesn't let you down. Wide receiver studs, Matt Cap was Thursday night. Some of, you know,

Some of you overcame because there were some big performances this week like Debo. Four for 116, two touchdowns through the air, two 40 plus yard touchdowns, a rushing touchdown. It's incredible. Yeah, and he didn't need much work to get there. He had four targets and three carries, seven opportunities in this game and was a monster. Tyreek Hill. For the third consecutive week, I mean, Tyree Kill's numbers are actually some of the most ridiculous I've ever seen at the wide receiver position. Because if you take out the Kansas City game, his fantasy finishes on a weekly basis, 3146223 at wide receiver in a position that consistency is almost impossible to pull off and he scored 12 touchdown so far this year. Currently on pace for 2008 receiving yards. Ooh. That's insane. League winner written all over him.

Nico Collins, nine for one, 91 and one. There's a real league winner. I know the matchup coming up this week is not great against the Jets. Going to be a little saucy, but I mean, with Tankdell out, Nico Collins is just going to bring people championships. Or Noah Brown will. I mean, Noah Brown's going to be a very, very important pickup. He had a Noah Brown Pants week. He won't next week. Yes, he will. Jets. Yeah, that's a tough matchup in Tennessee, Cleveland. Mike Evans, baby. 10th straight 1,000-yard season, 7 for 162 and 1. No player in NFL history had more than six consecutive. And only Jerry Rice had more total 1,000-yard seasons. But 10 consecutive.

shaping up like a first ballot maybe maybe that's that's an accomplishment i don't first ballot's hard though isn't it you know it's it's extremely hard you know what's hard 10 straight 1,000 yard seasons and not only 10 straight 1,000 yard seasons but right now this season i feel like it's the best i've ever seen him he is 30 years old and absolutely dominating over the last eight weeks In terms of points per game, CDLAM is number one, Tyreek is number two, and Mike Evans is number three. Mike, Keenan Allen's four. So my aged, decrepit, old dynasty squad is riding high. Yeah. With two old dudes. Mike Evans and Keenan Allen. Crazy. Christian Watson, we talked about it. Michael Pittman, 16 targets, 11 for 105. Big game for Pittman, becoming the regular.

Pooka Nukua went nuclear. Sean McVeigh said he thought Pooka Nukua was dead on the sideline and then he came back to life. McVeigh's given the sound bites. Nukua said I wasn't breathing and my shoulder didn't feel like it was in the right place. But I was good though. I love that man. I love you, Puka. New standard for people coming to work for this company. Right. Yeah. If you think you weren't, if you're not breathing. And your shoulder's not in the right place. You're still good. Come to work. You're good, though. Tough it out. I mean, it's kind of wild because Puka's on pace for almost 1,500 receiving yards, which would be the most ever in the Super Bowl era. And then we'll talk about him momentarily here, but like, is Sam LaPorte of the greatest rookie titan we've ever seen? I think the answer is it's over. That's done. Yeah. I mean, yeah, Evan Ingraham, I mean, if you want to go back to like Jeremy Shockey.

I think Leportas better. He might be, but I mean, you're looking at one of the only three good rookie tight-in performances of all time as far as on a season. You've got snippets like Kincade is great right now. And every year you've got little. Kyle Pitts did have a thousand yards. Yeah, but he wasn't, I mean, he didn't have any touches. He wasn't good for fantasy. I'm saying for fantasy. Okay. All right. Sam Leportas. season right now. His pace would be 90 receptions for 9161 yards and 8.5 touchdowns. So, I mean, this is going to be a perennial fantasy champion type of player. And train McBride. And so is this guy. Yeah, let's go. Eight for 89 and a touchdown for Trey McBride. And he is and one, well, I guess he got the touchdown. Mike's trying to figure out how to temper his.

His words because you talk about first ballot. Yeah. I am very excited for Trey McBride. He is. I think that there are some fair things to say to the downside from McBride. Oh, go on. Yes, I completely agree. In four games with Kyler, right now the tight end position is seeing 37% of the team targets. And I know that Michael Wilson is injured and Hollywood's injured. There's not a lot of other great options. But what he is showing, and this is, I'm going to speak the hotness side, and then you can say whatever you think the tempered expectation should be. But what he's going to do the rest of this season, while there aren't weapons, is going to be a massive first-read target in the offense. Some of the catches he made, they were elite athletic, wide receiver-like fingertip, jump-in-the-air catches. He can take hard hits. He's used around the goal line. He's a first-read target.

And so going forward, he is going to be a key cog of what they are building this offense around. They go out and they draft Marvin Harrison next year. I think you're going to have a one-two punch here. I don't see Tray McBride's usage going away. Going away, of course not. No, that would make no sense. He's a very talented tight end. But centerpiece of offense, that won't be the permanent position for Tray McBride. Like you said, if they draft Marvin Harrison, they seem like the favorites to do so. if Hollywood Brown is healthy, if Michael Wilson is healthy, if the running backs are healthy. He is taking advantage of this opportunity and everything you said about this year is very true. And we'll have a tough decision to make in fantasy drafts next year with a change in kind of the situation for the receiving options. Yeah, I don't think he's going to be the one. Like Mark Andrews is the one. Travis Kelsey is the one. But I do think he can be like a.

a Hawkinson, where it's like, obviously, he's never going to be better than Justin or even Addison, but it's a very, very important, you know, critical piece of the office. And you're building, like over the remainder of the season, you are building that connection into Kyler's brain of, if something goes wrong, throw it to me. And that's very valuable. Chicago, New England, Arizona, Washington, Chicago. That's the top five. That's the current draft order. Say that again? Chicago with the one, New England, with the two, Arizona, Washington, Chicago. I didn't realize Washington was that bad. Terry McLaren realized that. Cardio King. All right, we are going to move on into the duds here momentarily. We want to thank our sponsor, NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube and YouTube TV. With NFL Sunday ticket, it's never been easier to keep up with all of your fantasy players.

You can watch the rest of the NFL season for half the price. At $174 when bundled with YouTube TV, sign up at YouTube.com slash fantasy footballers. Terms and embargoes apply. No refunds. Hoopped in his big boy pants. Justin Herbert had a terrible football game. He's had two terrible games in a row. This was one of those situations where it was like, do you stick with him going into New England? Do you not? You shouldn't have? Yeah, I mean, if you lose... No touchdowns, obviously. You lost Mike Williams. That was the beginning of it. Then you lose your first round wide receiver, realizing he's not good in Quentin Johnson. Then you lose your checkdown guy in Austin Echler. I have also never, I know it was a very, very rainy game. But Justin Herbert has dealt with drops like I can't remember anyone. I mean, I wasn't just him. Parham dropped. No, Parham dropped. Huge dropped. Keenan had a drop. Echler.

is dropping things every game right now. When you hit guys in the hands, what are you supposed to do? Well, he's certainly not in a must-start category. Like Brock Purdy would be somebody that you would, you'd want to put in there over Justin Herbert at this point in time. And that goes for Patrick Mahomes too. Patrick Mahomes, 21 for 33, one touched him. Patrick Mahomes, fantasy finish. I mean, 13 fantasy points. 20, 16, 15, 3, I'm sorry, 5. He's the quarterback eight on the year, which is like, oh, okay, that's a relevant fantasy guy. He's not been terrible. He's had, you know, big weeks, but that is not who you drafted in the second round. If the last five games from a Holmes on pace for 3,700 receiving guys and 24 touchdowns. Gross. And 13.6 interceptions. That's a Derek car. 23 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. Not good. Speaking of drops, the data that I'm seeing at least is the chiefs are leading in drop passes. Yeah.

So maybe that has something to do with it. And Herbert is, they have the most drops since week eight. So into the duds at running back, you know, a guy that Mike and I have never liked, Zach Moss, you know, Jason, he's kind of been your guy for years. Yeah. Yeah, I can't believe he'd had a bad game when he's that good. We tried to tell you to sit him down, but obviously you're relentless with him. Oh, man. Seven carries inside the 10. What? His opportunities were awesome. 19 carries, three targets. It just didn't have a Tennessee shut them down. I'd stick with them. Oh, for sure. Cincinnati coming up, much weaker, softer defense. Also, they won the ball game, and they're in the playoffs. So talk about Coach of the Year candidate, Shane Steichen, with a backup quarterback. Impressive. With mostly no Jonathan Taylor, with one wide receiver, one and a half. Assume we don't have to talk about Dud Austin Echler anymore. No, that's sad. Let's talk about Dud Brees Hall.

What were you saying before the show about quarterbacks? Because Zach Wilson was clearly the best quarterback that they had. And he's bad. We as fans, we as football watchers are clamoring for backups. You know, Zach Wilson sucks, right? He does. Don't hear what I'm not saying. Zach Wilson sucks. He is so clearly their best quarterback. We're like, oh, man, why aren't you going to the backup? They go to the backup. Oh, why isn't a Trevor Simion? Trevor Simion comes in. The coaches. are trying to win. You know, it's like, oh, why with Mac Jones? Why have you not been benching Mac Jones? You've got Bailey Zappy behind. It's like, because Bailey Zappy isn't as good as Mac Jones. And then they bring Zappy and they score exactly zero points. This keeps happening where it's like, there just aren't good quarterbacks. I don't blame them for trying because the standard is set so low that you just, you're throwing something at the wall and hoping it works. Yeah, it's just one of those things where you really.

careful what you wish for type of situations. Now, there are still things that can be done, like the fact that, you know, Carson Wentz was out there on the waivers forever. Joe Flacco was out there. Joe Flacko was okay. There are things teams can do, and it's unfortunate that maybe, well, I don't know if it's money or belief systems or whatever, that maybe some of these teams haven't stepped up. But Brise Hall can't do anything and the Jets offense can't do anything here with the quarterback. carousel they have. I do think a lot of times the decision making is like the backups that stink at least know the system. And it's a challenge to bring somebody else in and say go win in my system. I think that's part of the decision making. Jamir Gibbs, great start to the game. Didn't end up with a good game. I mean, eight for 60 on the ground and only one reception. That was the problem. And then big concerns here. I mean, Devin Singletary last week, 82% of snaps this week.

46%. Pierce had way more carries. I think it was like 15 carries for Pierce, eight for Singletary. The targets weren't there for Singletary. It makes it super hard for next week because what do you do? You start Pierce. You start Singletary against the Jets? We talked about it a couple weeks ago that when Pierce first comes back, you're going to stick with Singletary because they'll be like working them in. But eventually it's going to get back to like that 50-50 split. We had hoped that Singletary had played his way looking so good into like, hey, No, you're now our lead ball carrier, but that didn't happen. So next week against the Jets, I would like to start neither. Yeah, but what if you have to start one? I would assume you're going to start the wrong one. I would. I would start Damien Pierce. Big disappointment from Najee Harris and Jalen Warren. This was not, I don't think anybody expected Arizona to Dominated this game. It was 24 to 3 at one point.

Kenny Pickett sucks. Why not go to the backup? Oh, wait. Kenny Pickett's better. That was honestly a huge part of what happened in this game was losing Kenny Pickett early. Noggi and Jaylon Warren did not get it going. I mean, Warren was 9 for 59. That's pretty good. Just not a lot of opportunities when you're down by that many points. So both disappointments, both were starts of the week. We expected huge games just whiffs. I mean, Najee is still RB21 on the week, I guess, but. Not what you hope for. No, it's not. Mike has got anything to speak on. Terry McLaren in a game where they were getting absolutely eviscerated by the Miami Dolphins, zero catches for zero yards. Zero touchdowns as well. Yeah. So I will be, I have lost the fantasy phase-up now for a third consecutive time because Terry McLaren had zero points. I still love Terry McLaurin. I am turning.

very quickly on Sam Howell for ruining everything else around him. Logan Thomas had no catches. Dodson's season has been a disaster. I mean, Curtis Samuel is okay. He catches the ball sometimes. What's funny is, so this, remember we talked about Sam Howell's passing attempts? 42, 52, 45, 44, 44, 45, 44. You know how many times you threw the ball this last game? I would love to know. But what would your guest be? My guess would he be back in L. East above 30? Yeah, I mean, that would make sense. 23 times. You lost your running back. You lost your running back. Miami dominated this game. Yeah, no first downs. Miami just, they ran the ball so much. Devon A. Chan and Moster, maybe, maybe. Just give them a target. Throw to your number one wide receiver. Just feel like sometimes you got to force it in there.

Oh, I think it will be next week. Just rip it. You have a quarterback who is second in the NFL in passing yards and has zero fantasy relevant wideouts. Incredible work, Sam. It's impossible. That's true, though. It is true. Look, Diamie Brown, I know they called the touchdown back, but you're scheming it up for Diamie Brown on the goal line. Like, Terry McLaurin's last four weeks are, he's on pace for 535 yards and no touchdown. Whoa. Yeah, that is, that's not acceptable. I mean, like... That is not acceptable. There's one man that would like those numbers, and that's Quentin Johnston. But otherwise, terrible. Thielen didn't work out again. Three for 25. Thielen is dying off. Yeah, I thought we would have a bounce back with the new coach here, but... Nothing from Drake London. Nothing from Jake Downs. Nothing. Pure goose from Noah Brown despite the injury to... You saw Metschi get some targets in this offense. You saw Brevin Jordan get some targets, but Noah Brown, no involvement.

Still coming back from injury, right? Yeah. Yes. This was his first game back after missing two, but he was out there. He played an 81%. Yeah, he was out there. Jaden Reed, five targets, four for 16. Terrible game. Yeah, I think Christian Watson dominated this game. He played the majority of the game. He got injured but went out late after nine targets. You have to imagine going forward. Jaden Reed's going to be pretty important. Yeah, but you also saw what, Heath and Wicks and those guys get involved. So it was just. Jordan loved distributing. Was it Tucker Kraft as well? Yeah, yeah. Garrett Wilson, three for 50. Doing his best, guys. He's doing his darn best. Dude, I brought it up on Sunday live and I was talking to Andy about it. I had to make a decision, do I play Garrett Wilson in the rain with Tim Boyle or do I put in Romeo Dobbs? And it was, I could not overcome the name power.

of Garrett Wilson, and it was indeed the incorrect decision. Going with Romeo Dobbs was the play. Yeah. Of course, it's all in hindsight, so it's much easier. But like all of the red flags were there for Garrett Wilson. And so it's what... If Garrett Wilson's toe hits the ground on that sideline catch, they're even. They're dead even. But, but yeah, I mean, you're right. It's your playing... Three for 50. Yeah. I see 9.2 for Dobbs, 6.5 for Wilson. Yeah. The Mute did not get Luth. No, he did not. And the truth is, he plays Thursday in a horrible over under with a different quarterback. So good luck on the Muth. He's not an auto start to me. Speaking of not an auto start anymore, the David Nogoku experience, it disappeared with Joe Flacco, who we didn't know what to expect. Joe Flacco came in six targets. Yeah, I don't think it disappeared. I really don't. Well, in this game it did. Two for 17 it did. Two for 17, obviously, the results.

were awful and that disappeared but the situation he was targeted and he also had a massive monster gain where he hurtled a guy yeah yeah it was like a 45 yard awesome play where on review he I mean just like his pinky toe hit the out of bounds line was that the one that because I saw that come through on sleeper and then I saw his numbers and they didn't match right so he he he was targeted And he had big plays. You're talking about a pinky toe out of bounds from him not being in this list. So I wouldn't move away from Nojoku just because it scares me a little bit because I watched him having to block in the first half. And, you know, Flacco was not good, in my opinion. He was not great, but he was much better than a lot of the alternative quarterbacks we've seen. Like Murray Cooper was able to have targets. I mean, he left. He got injured. But before he got injured, he was pretty involved. John Johnson making an appearance.

Nice. I was going to say for Flacco, the Elijah Moore narrative, it struck. Well, Elijah Moore's targets for what it's worth have been there every week of the entire year. But him and Joe Flacco, they just, they got us. Because of their time in New York? Yeah. I just, I'm, he ended up with 12 targets and a Marty Cooper went out. So like if a Marty Cooper misses. Yes. Then Elijah Moore's really in contention. The, the play style of, I want, it got me thinking about it of how many wide receivers out there. have kind of like lost their career just because whatever stylistic differences of how they play versus how the quarterback plays, it turns into, well, no, that player's not good. But like Elijah Moore was great as a rookie who had certain quarterbacks who would throw to him. Then he vanishes, gets kicked off the team because things are terrible. He's terrible to start this year. And one game with Joe Flacco was that had to be his highest yardage total of the season, right?

It was his highest yardage. It was not a good game. I'm not, no, no, but I'm saying it's just. I mean, like, literally 12 targets, you caught four passes. The week before, nine targets caught three passes. It's like, that's 33% two consecutive weeks is a catch percentage. You know, he's relevant if Cooper's out. Yeah. Jason, would you play Elijah Moore in your flex or David Najokin your flex next week. I would play Cooper was out. If Cooper is out in my flex, oh, man, that's gross, because I would have to play Elijah Moore. Yeah. I don't want to play a lot more. What was the target total for Cedric Tillman in the game? Because I'd be curious about, I mean, he'll come up five. He had five targets. No, six. I have six down. So, I mean, that's another player that'll get more involved if. Could. Yeah. He could. All right. Anybody else you want to talk about? No. Okay. We don't have to talk about bad players anymore. Yeah, that's great. We made it through. We made it through.

We have football tonight, right, Mike? We certainly do. Jacksonville? Yeah. Ready to get Calvin Ridley back? Maybe? No, maybe. Going to win some championships? ETN, score 20. Oh, yeah, you want to get yourself a little dynasty win? Yeah, I wouldn't mind it. You don't want out of that league? No, I don't want out of that league. I can win championship there. That is going to do it for today's show. We'll come back with a big waivers episode tomorrow. Very important. Good luck in your games tonight. Thanks for tuning in. We'll catch you then. Goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on join thefoot.com. And follow us on Twitter at the FF Ballers.