Fantasy Football Podcast 2015 - Week 8 Fantasy Forecast, Starts of the Week, News

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to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, my goodness. We are back. It is Thursday, October 29th. And this is the fantasy footballers podcast. And I am, we're all a little bit distracted here. Yes. Because, well, there's a trade deadline taking place.

In 10 minutes. Basically right now, in our kind of our big boy league of record, where it's a three-man keeper league, and so draft pick trading happens. And you're probably saying to yourself right now, what in the world? Why is your trade deadline this soon?

Well, it's because of the keepers and the picks and the fact we don't want teams basically. We wanted them to make a decision early in the season on whether or not they thought they could compete. Yeah, no tanking in week 10.

Yeah, that's pretty much why. We have found, for all those leagues that are out there that deal with those problems, we have found that the earlier trade deadline is pretty much the best solution to allow you to still trade picks into the future, still be able to do things, but not have it to where you have super power teams and super garbage teams because everybody has either bought in or sold the farm. Yeah, so that's taking place momentarily. You know, I'm happy with my team. I'm not doing anything. How about you, Jason?

I am super happy with my team, but it is so deep, so solid. I lead the league in points, but it is missing one of those absolute tip-top pieces. It's missing a gronk. It's missing a Julio. It's missing a Levi-on belt. Those type of pieces. I don't have one of those guys. I'm hoping Alshan Jeffrey can be that. I love my lineup. The depth is great. And I'm happy I've got more depth this year since we've got the earlier trade deadline.

Because I think that might come into play as the season goes on. That's fair. And the, the, we're, we still got the digital farts. That was, that was more like a snowstorm. I felt like. We have had some requests to allow that. I can promise you this will probably be, probably be the last time you ever hear that. Yeah, we got it. We got to upgrade some equipment. So what I am looking at on my team for, I have basically five minutes to make this decision. Ooh. Woo. I am, so I'm in. I am completely in on this year.

Sitting at four and three. Sitting at four and three. And I have to make a decision of whether to hold or these are some things that I can do. I have both Travis Kelsey and Jordan Reed on my bench or on my roster. So you don't start a diet in. That's good. Right. So, and Travis Kelsey, wow.

He's not been bad by any stretch of the imagination. He's still the number four tight end in our format, but he's just not scoring touchdowns. Alex Smith has been horrific at finding anybody who is not his first read. And so do I believe, do I trade him? Do I believe that he stays at this mediocre level? And then there's the Jordan Reed of when healthy, he's averaging basically gronking-type numbers.

And that sounds like a heretic thing to say. Let me tell you your answer real quick, since we're in the league with you. Please trade Travis Kelsey and hold on to Jordan Reed for the rest of the year. That's the question of, yeah, Reed is a complete injury risk. But when he plays is... He's a difference making tight-in, is what he's saying. Yeah. And I've told people that this week when they asked me about their tight ends, Jordan Reed might be the number two tight-in when he's healthy, which sounds...

insane, but it really might be the case. And I completely agree with that statement, which is why I'm looking at a situation of, well, if I'm not blown away by an offer to make another team better while making my team worse, when I want to win. Just keep them both. Yeah, so that's what I'm looking at, and I keep telling them, it's not that your offer is not fair, because that's a very interesting thing that maybe we can talk about an off season or whatever, just the value of a player. And I keep telling them, the value of a player,

is what you're willing to pay me and what I'm willing to sell it at. I don't care what the market says. Yeah, we've received a lot. We'll talk about this in the quick question, but we've received a lot of emails going, oh, is this trade vetoable? So we'll talk about that and what makes a trade vetoable and some of the ins and outs of that. We got a good show. It's going to be jam-packed. It'll probably be a longer show, so, you know, drive around the block a couple times on the way home from work today. Park it in the driveway. We've got...

We've got some updates for you from the fantasy world. We've got our fantasy forecast. So we're going to talk about the kind of the Thursday night game, which is tonight, which is great. I can't wait. And then the rest of the first half of the games. And we got our starts of the week today. And you can find us on Twitter at the FFBallers. Find us on the web, the fantasy footballers.com. And listen, I think there's still time. There probably won't be, though, when I guess when this podcast comes out.

For the shirts? Is it going to be over by the time this publishes? Yeah, I think pretty much when you're listening, the shirts have done it. However, we're going to throw up some different shirts today because people have been asking for months and we just haven't done it yet. Yeah, people wanted the regular fantasy footballer's logo shirt and I think we're going to finally do it. Yeah, it's ready to go. You'll see the link. It'll be up there and I put like a billion color options in there too. So Michael really appreciate that. I do. I do. Although, uh,

For me and Mike have a little bit of a black shirt, white shirt competition. Like I like black shirts. He likes white shirts. And when we sold the Marty McFly shirts, or I'm sorry, the Back to the Future style logos, there were no white shirts sold. So the world. The world unites with me. Well, this is a very small sample size, as they would say. And for the next one, we will put the default in white.

So that's what people see immediately. No, we won't. Not if we sold zero white shirts. That's what I was just thinking. The marketing department has vetoed that. Well, that's fine. If you don't want to get an accurate market or sample size. I'll just let you win that and then we'll sell more shirts. Victory! All right, guys. Quick question for the day. We've been asked a lot about this. Let's talk about collusion in leagues. How did it, to identify collusion, what to do with it? What makes a trade vetoable?

That general discussion, that's not even one question, but just I want to bring up that discussion. So any quick thoughts? I had a question on Twitter today, and they were asking me, is this collusion? So there is a team in first place carrying two tight ends. Tightens are very hard to find in this league. And they were looking to get rid of Walker, Delaney Walker. And there was, so he...

Clearly, this team did not want to drop them because the other top team is in desperate need of a tied-in. So strategically, it doesn't make sense for this person to just drop Walker so that person can claim him and blah, blah, blah. So the person, the owner of Walker, traded Walker away to a team for a kicker and then dropped the kicker. So essentially... To open a spot and then keep Walker... ...gave Walker away for free to another team.

but did not give the other top team a chance at getting Walker off the waiver wire. And they said, is this collusion? And I said, it's only collusion. When they collude. If both parties know exactly what is going on. If not, that guy just made an extremely crafty move. I agree with that. I completely agree with you. So I said, there's no way you veto or reverse that. No. And actually, almost every. I think in general, we are, we're not veto people. Right? I would. Yeah.

Well, I know you've got some bitterness about last year. There's one veto that happened last year. But in general, the three of us, we generally are, you don't veto trades for them being bad. Yeah, big boy, put on your big boy pants. But on your big boy pants, playing a league with big boy guys. People make good trades. People make bad trades. And that is not a reason to veto a trade. And very frequently, a trade that you think is the worst thing in the world in two weeks makes you look like an idiot because it was great. Yep.

Yeah, I used the example all the time last year. Jason picked up Kyrie Robinson and he gave up Justin Forset. And the league mocked the guy who got Forset the entire day. And we thought it was ridiculous. And it was clearly a win for that guy. So yeah, in general, the only way I like to veto is if it is in a league integrity type of an issue, which most often means collusion only. If two owners are conspiring to make one team better.

or another team worse, and it's a discussion in that context. It's not, I'm going to make a trade to benefit my team, you're going to make a trade to benefit your team. Whether or not they value things the same way, that doesn't make it worth vetoing. Agreed? Agreed. Yeah. Okay. Let's get into the news and notes. News and notes from around the league. All right. Someday we will talk about the Drew Brees, Adrian Peterson trade that was vetoed. Not today. I thought through it a little bit in my head during that discussion.

and it was, it's, you know, it's on the line. And there are for reasons that we won't talk about right now. Yeah, there's all someday. Yeah, this has to do with Mike's championship run and he feels like the trade was validated because he won the title, right? No, no, no, I won, because it was vetoed. Yeah, if he had made the trade that he wanted to make, which the league vetoed, well, yeah, you can't follow the ping pong balls all the way down. Oh, we can and we do. Yes, you can. Carlos High did not practice, should play.

Jim Tom Sula says so. I think that's going to be a recurring theme the rest of the year. I was really excited as a Chris Ivory owner. Yesterday they said he didn't practice at all. And then later in the day, they said he practiced in full and is fine to play against Oakland. Those are quite different things. The latter is the reality and that made me happy. Well, it was also, it was his hamstring injury. Then it was a quad injury. And then it was a hamstring injury. Yeah, I know. Misinformation there. And by the way, if you watch the game, based on my knowledge of human anatomy,

They were working out as hamstring in the game. And so that, you know, that's good for ivory owners, I guess, that he's hurting something else because the quad at least isn't re-injured. I don't know. All right. Dionne Lewis is questionable for tonight. Excuse me. Do you guys think he plays tonight? Because we got to give this report today.

on the basis of, you know, we don't get another chance tomorrow. The hilarious thing yesterday was when Belichick was being asked about Ivory status or Lewis's status. So this was yesterday. He said, well, we'll find out tomorrow if you can play. Thanks, Bill. Thanks, Bill. You know, being the Thursday game, there's good news and bad news. It gives you a lot of time to replace him if he's pulled out. But it's also more of an inclination to sit a guy because you get a shorter week.