Fantasy Football Podcast 2015 - Rankings Rundown, Listener Questions, News

though he didn't score, was having a good year on the ground. And when you take all that production, you give it to Adrian Peterson because he's going to be on the field the whole time. Teddy Bridgewater, his second year, an accurate quarterback. They're going to have to respect him. You can't just put eight in the box the entire time because Bridgewater to Charles Johnson or even Mike Wallace because he's still fast. He can still stretch the field. Adrian Peterson is going to feast.

Yeah, AP is somebody who I tried to trade for in one of my keeper leagues this week. I couldn't get the owner to budge because the excitement around him is immense, as you would expect. Everyone says he looks great in camp. I think you're going to, I mean, we said on Twitter last week he started rising up everybody's boards. Everybody's jumping on board. Did you have any thoughts on Peterson, Jay? No, I mean, Peterson is Peterson.

I have thoughts on Forset. My thoughts on the next question. My thoughts on Forset are very much in line with Mike's thoughts on four set. I've been listening to a lot of, you know, other reports, other fantasy analysts who are down on four set? Oh, come on. And I'm like, I'm like, what in the world are you watching? I might be one of them. Well, okay, so what in the world are you thinking in the sense that here's a guy without a lot of miles on his tires?

who was a free agent who they re-signed and didn't draft a running back highly. They did. No. Third round. No. No. Yes, they did. Buck Johnson. Oh, look that up. I don't think he was third round. I thought he was like fifth round. He might have been fifth round. It doesn't matter. No, no, no. That does matter. It's a matter of investment. What the team thinks of their running back situation beforehand. But here's the truth is that he was stellar last year. He was already a top 12 running back. Sorry, did I say Buck Johnson?

Yeah, I meant Buck Allen, sorry. Yeah, that's all right. Continue. Continue your diet drive. No. So he was an excellent, excellent running back. He averaged 5.4 yards of carry, and now he's switching to the Tressman system as the lead back where his catches are going to go probably double. I honestly think he'll go, because what did he catch last year? He caught 44 passes. Yeah.

And so to say to he goes to 88, I mean, Forte caught 102, and Justin Fawcett is an excellent pass catcher. Now, I'm not saying that he is guaranteed to go to 88, but here's what I do think. I think that his, I think that he is absolutely an ironclad lock to be in the top 15 running back. So where he's being drafted right now, guys like, these two guys are my favorite guys right now. Frank Gore, Justin Foreset.

they're getting no respect and they're dropping in ADPs and I see both of them capable of finishing very high. The offensive line was a top unit. I have no, I'm telling you right now, you don't have to convince me of the potential of the running back in the Raven system. They were a great unit, like what you're saying. They're all back. That was my point. I have no problem with that. Here's what I know about Justin Forset. And last year he was thrust into the situation where he was the every down back. He is not an every down back.

I know he performed for them. They don't see him as that, okay? Maybe in PPR he is what you say he's going to be because I don't doubt he's going to catch a bunch of passes, but Buck Allen was a fourth round pick. He is a plus pass protector, okay? He's known as being that, and he's got great hands. They love him. He was a solid...

between the tackles, work horseback in college, and you mix in, now this Santali Farrow is getting the goal line. You're not going to put the ball in Forsett's hands around the goal line when you have bigger backs necessarily, especially if you don't view them as an, it's just a risk to me. I would never, ever put him ahead of Forte.

Not in a million years when Forte gets all the balls out of the back field and the goal line and gets... I mean, I know we're down on Forte, but that seems extreme to me. So that's why I'm on the other side of the coin. I love trustment. I love the system, but I just don't like what I think will definitely be a timeshare. I think there's no doubt. I think 235 carries says that the Ravens think that Justin Forsett is in every down back. No. It says that guys got hurt and they had to shuffle guys around. Right, but they had...

Obviously they lost Ray Rice, but they had Bernard Pierce, who was the heir to Ray Rice, who the Ravens were very high on. He got outplayed by Justin Forset. Tali Afarro was a rookie, and he was improving, and then he got hurt. But Justin Forset excelled. Jason said it. 5.4 yards per carry on 235 carries. That's a massive volume of carries to average that high, and 44 catches.

Justin Forset is also an excellent pass blocker. Justin Forset, over his career, has been a monster. He just has never received the opportunity. I agree with that. And he finally got the opportunity with the Ravens, and he delivered. Why would they possibly move on from that? I don't know. Donard Robinson delivered last year for the Jaguars. For a kind of. Not over 12, not over 16 games. I mean. Over a good part of the season. I'm just saying the mental outlook of a guy like Dunard Robinson is the same as Forset for a lot of people.

Dernard Robertson had two massive games and then went down every single game. But I'm saying most people think a guy of four-set size isn't going to hold up to that type of carry load. They don't want him to have to. And I could be completely wrong. If Buck Allen doesn't get what I think he'll get as a rookie, as a fourth-round rookie, if he doesn't produce, if he fumbles, if he's just not being used. I mean, like you said, there's not...

big names behind Forset, and that's a good reason to love him. I think the line's good. That's a good reason to love him. I just don't have them ahead of Forte. The way they use Talley-Farrow is a good example of that if they have a rookie and they can work him in, like Buck Allen, they're not just going to thrust them in. They're going to let him get used to the NFL. I completely agree. There's no part of me that thinks Buck Allen is the starter. Now, a point of clarification here in your rankings, Mike, I assume that...

that these rankings are based on stats, you statad guys, and then this is where you thought they were going to finish up. It's not necessarily where you would draft them, you know. Correct. Okay. And four sets your number five PPR back, which is very high. Because he's going to catch a... I believe the correct term is buttload. You have a head of Jamal Charles? But load. Which is surprising in PPR. I just... With Charles, man, you want to love Charles, but every year Andy Reed...

just doesn't give him the proper volume that he deserves is the problem. Fair enough. Any concluding thoughts on Mr. Fawcett? I feel like there's got to be some sort of... Do we already have a Fawcett bet? We do. We have that Latavius Murray bet. Oof. Oh, that's awesome. This is why I said. You cannot make bets. Yes, you can. In March or whatever it was when I made that bet. I'm going to ask Shia LaBuff, can I make bets on the off season? So... Just you can!

Just do it! I'm not feeling very good about that one at all. I did notice, speaking of Latavius-Murie, I got to bring this up. This is true. I notice that you don't consider, you have him at the, basically the end of the RB3, Latavius-Murie, and you have Yeldon much higher as a running back two, I believe. Where do you have Yeldon? Let me see here. Yeldon is... In standard, you have T.J. Yeldon as 19, and you have...

Latavius and Murray are down at 32, and I just don't understand that big of a gap. Because if you asked me, they're very similar of offensive situations, teams that struggle to score points. I don't know why, you know, Murray should get the bulk of the carries. And you would think that he should get the bulk of the carries. What I'm confident in, I'm confident that Yeldon is going to get the bulk of the carries, and he will get the goal line carries. And we've seen that that.

I would rather have a running back on a high-powered offense, but there are low-powered, low-scoring offenses where a running back just happens into a high volume of touchdowns. What do I have to do to put you into a Latavius Murray right now? Is this a card deal? Yeah. I mean, what do I have to give you some new wheels? I mean, I am much higher on Murray than both of you guys. And I'm not crazy high on him, by the way.

He's not my Jeremy Maclin of the running back field. I'll admit maybe I have him a little bit too low, but I can't move, I can't, in good conscience, move him up that much more. Jason, is the gap there for you, or do you have Murray ahead of? No, I've got Murray ahead of Yelden. By a lot or? No, not by a whole lot. I'm not crazy high on Murray, but I'm not, I'm certainly not this low on Murray. I've been cooling on Yeldon, who was originally my, like, rookie. It's funny, you guys were.

right after the draft. You know, we gave you some hard time. He gave me some hard time for my Yeldin Love. I think I was ahead of the game. And I think I'm ahead of the game again because I'm starting to cool on him. Everybody came around in my take and now I'm going, eh, maybe not. I don't know. I, you know.

The report's out of camp about Toby Gerhardt, doing good. And it just makes me want to throw up. So... Wait, you did yesterday. See, that's what did it. Thanks, Toby. It was the Toby report. So, you know, I... And the double stuffs. Yeah. So for me, as of... Which is weird to eat while you were sick, but... Yeah. As of today, I would actually, I would take... You heard of here first. Toby Gerhardt is in his top 10. No, Tedden Coleman over... Yelda. Yeah. Wow.

That is an interesting. Just from offenses, man. Do we want to do Yeldon versus Murray bet? Point me and you? Oh, man. How do you not take that, Andy? You're talking a big game over there. Water bet. This is classic. I get myself in like 18 bets with one guy that has to perform. This is why I can't, I can't go to Vegas and bet on games because this is exactly what I do. I'd make like,

Six bets that are all variants of, but Cleveland has to win and to win all of them. You're the guy who goes to the roulette table and you're like, it's a black nine. I'm putting my house on black nine. Sir you've lost. That's an easy bet for you. One, I can't, I'm like Marty McFly. And if you call me yellow or you challenge me, I'm going to, we're going to duel. Then I got a bet for you. Calls me. You got one too?

Yeah, yeah. I'm not just throwing them out. He's just going to call me yellow and make some terrible bet. I think Justin Forsett finishes higher than Giovanni Bernard. What do you think? What are you chicken? What are you yellow? You got me trying to find a way to accept that bet. Wait, what if Geo like? No, seriously. I mean, are you two chicken to make that bet? Because Justin Foresat's too old. He's going to break down. Mike's wide receivers. Number one, Jordy Nelson, number two, Antonio Brown. Standard.

By the way, no, I know. And by the way, I love it because I don't think, I don't like these rankings where you go out and you just put the guy that finished first last year, number one again. That doesn't happen very often. Guys don't finish number, I mean, top five, absolutely. But Jordy Nelson. He did finish two, but I. Oh, yeah. No, Jordy number one, Antonio Brown, too, Julio Jones three, love it. Calvin Johnson at number four, Des Bryant at five, Demarius Thomas, AJ Green, Alshon Jeffrey, O'Dell Beckham Jr., and Randall Cobb.

I'm trying to... I don't remember you having Calvin this high when we went through them the first time. Have you... I didn't have him this high when we were originally talking, but then I went and broke down his per game, and I had moved him up by the shortly afterwards. Yeah, see, that's why we do our rankings the way we do them. We actually map out the stats we're projecting for these guys, because sometimes it surprises us. Yep. You know, we talked about Eli Manning earlier, and...

When we were all high on him earlier in the off-season, I went out and I just put his reasonable stats in, and he didn't end up as high as I thought he'd end up. I would love to have said he was my six or something like that. So you put Calvin in, and Calvin came out in the top five again. Yeah. I believe in. The guy is still a monster. The question with Calvin is the health question. Everyone has the health question, no, but Calvin's getting older. He's getting these nagging injuries that keep popping up.

The team has shown the ultimate faux pa for fantasy players as when you throw an injured guy out just to be a distraction for the other team, which is the worst situation to be in. Because how do you not start Calvin Johnson every week? And I agree. I'm the player. I'm going to put him out there. He's your stud. You have to rely on it. But he carries a little more risk to me than the other guys. I agree. Breshard Perman. You have him at 19. Is that right? Let me go.

That's right. Oh. Yeah, I was in standard leagues. You have Breschop Harryman at 19. That's, that probably is a bit too high. I knew I could find something in your rankings that would surprise you. When you start moving the guys around. Let me name some guys that you have them ahead of. Okay. So that I can really, really make you look different. That's fine. Deshawn Jackson. That's fine. Andre Johnson. That, which I also wrote down, why no Andre love? Because you have Andre Johnson all the way down at 27. 27. Okay, so.