Fantasy Football - Week 13 Studs & Duds + Lamar / Jefferson Panic Time! - Podcast for 12/1

incredible. Amin Ra is out. This is three out of the last four weeks where he's top 10. Oh my gosh, it's such a good looking game log. Mine is the goose. It's funny because if you take, you look at like, you have two gooses. Quentin Johnston has like the exact opposite or Rome. Rome is even a better example where the exact opposite of Jamo. Rome got out to such a hot start on the season. The first month of the season, he was the, the Rome was the wide receiver three, and you just go, it's here, it's happened, the breakout, it's done. Touchdown regression. Hit him nasty. Yeah, and then it's like, oh, and he stinks, but you don't view him as negatively on the season as you do Jameson Williams, who's just as good or not, if not better. So in the last five weeks, Jameson Williams, in points per game with a goose. Number three.

So JSN, number one, Devante Adams, who can't stop scoring. Can't stop scoring. Who has eight touchdowns in the last five weeks. And then Jamo is number three. Ahead of Pickens and Collins and London and Puka and Rice. On the season, I just looked it up. Jamison Williams is ahead of Roma Dunesay now. Yeah, it makes sense. I can't just be happy with any of it, though. Because if I show just a sign of optimism, he'll put me in my place. Yeah, he'll goose you. He'll goose the heck out of me. And then Christian Watson, the last two weeks is all the third of the week. 33%, 36% on the target share. Yeah, and you always have the huge play. They're going to take their shots every game. If you're getting, it's like Jameson Williams now with Arm and Raw out. If you're going to see a high 20%, even a 30% target share and you can hit a home run, like that's,

That's wild for fantasy. Yeah, it's really hard to go four quarters with a target share like that and hold a big play down. You normally get one. CD Lamb, seven for one, 12. That was nice. Yeah, good to see. Pickens 13 targets to Lamb's nine. They are true. Wide receiver one, wide receiver one. Yeah. Devante Adams with two more touchdowns. He has 15 targets inside the five-yard line. Nine have been touchdowns. He has a huge reason why Stafford's an MVP consideration just because... You know, this was Kyron's domain permanently. And now the number one option is what's the coverage on Adams? If it's anything that we like at all, that's our first choice. Yeah, if you can design one-on-one coverage for Adams, it's like an 80% chance that that's a touchdown. You just go to him. He has the most targets inside the five of any player since targets became a stat. Oh my gosh. And in what week are we? We've still got a lot of season. Yes, yes, 15.

uh the i mean that's that's outrageous yeah it's amazing uh devon valet eight targets eight for 93 and a touchdown he was making me so angry because it wasn't olive yes and olive you dropped a game winning 35 yard touchdown it just right through your hands well i don't know did he is it a drop if it just goes swish that's true it was more like a bass yeah he That's exactly what it was. It was like he held a basket out. I want to go watch it because I, my son. Did this and it just went right through the arms. It was a play that a superstar has to make. When. Or just a NFL wide receiver. I, it's a hard catch. Yeah. When it happened, my son said this horse drop I've ever seen. That's what he said. Yeah, it's like he didn't put his arms together. Which is part of catching. Yeah.

Terry McLaurin looked great last night against Denver. 14 targets, seven for 96. Maybe Terry, if you look on your bench, you're like, oh yeah, I still got Terry. Maybe he'll matter for these playoffs. Nico, Jacoby Myers. Jacoby Myers, man. And then doubting Alec Pierce proved a mistake this week. Four for 78 and a touchdown. The touchdown was a man touchdown too. Yeah. It was a good catch. Brock Bowers is good at football. Yeah. Number one score at tight end, Trey McBride, Zach Ertz, Travis Kelsey and Britton Strange, the top five there. Yeah, Britain Strange, I think, is these other guys, obviously, if you've got Kelsey Bowers McBride, you're set, you're going to start them every week. But strange to me is interesting because this is a guy that coming into the season we thought would be important for targets. He got injured. Since he's back from the injury, five for 93.

and then three for 45 and a touchdown. He's been a top five tied in the last two weeks. Parker, Washington now hurt. Yeah, so he's very interesting. You got to remember how much they used Evan Ingram last year. And I realized the targets and the yardage weren't great this week. But also, it was what I was saying. Like they got out to such a big lead so early in Tennessee couldn't do anything. They stopped passing the ball. They really didn't need to put up any more offensive scoring. So they're not going to play the, you know, next week is. the Colts. That to me is a, is a great matchup for Brenton Strange. And he won't show up on the fantasy sheet. But guys, that Traylon Burke's catch. Oh, it must be celebrated. Yeah. That catch was boss. That's, that's the key part of a story to my grandkids. If I'm Traylon Berks. Yeah. Oh, for sure. It's like I made, I made the NFL. I was a first round pick. Then on Sunday night football. And then I got another chance. Yeah.

Watch this play. Watch this play. That's what I was capable of. Did they say it was his, yeah, and he's on the commanders, everyone. That was that his second touchdown? Of his career? I want to say it's his third. Do you know how many shots they took at him in which he was so not open the rest of the game? I was shocked how many times they took downfield shots. I am still rostering him in Dynasty. Yeah, you let us know about that. That was his second. You can't cut that guy. Did you see that catch? You can cut that guy.

That was his second career touchdown. Well, receiving touchdown. He has a rushing touchdown. I mean, I think it just proves that the Titans were right. That trade was worth it. Who'd they give up again? A.J. Brown? Okay. And they replaced him. That was a, that was just a pick. It was a one for one. It was a straight one. It was, we're not going to pay A.J. Brown like a wide receiver one when we can trade him for a pick that becomes the next A.J. Brown and Traylon Burks. It was one for one. And then we got the. Whoops. We got that shot of Vrable, just being so angry, so angry. He knew. So angry. He knew. All right, let's go ahead and talk. Disappointing performances for week 13. Poopped in his big boy pants. There are some conversations to be had. Oh, yeah. Starting with the litmus test, we said it before the week that if Lamar Jackson at home against Cincinnati gives you a dud,

You need to sit them down. I mean, that is for the playoffs. We don't hit the panic alarm. The reddest light I've ever seen. Is it? Yeah. Your rods and cones were all messed up. I almost went full seizure right there. What was that? That seems so different. Don't want to go half. Really? Yeah. Try it again, Andy. No, I don't know. This light up in the corner is hitting me different. He's not wrong. I did change it. Oh. very observant is that redder than ever uh it it's redder and one light that points right at mike yeah i felt like it felt like i was in a submarine broke and i had to rebuild it so it's okay i have a creamer yeah yeah my rods and my cones are all messed up lamar jackson 17 for 32 like 246 whatever the toe injury or that he's dealing with it's it is affecting him this this is the kind of game we're out

The season ends and then the like Lamar's having surgery tomorrow. And I don't know what's going on. 6.7.7 points. Your prescription for the playoffs for Lamar Jackson is what? I think you need to bench him until he shows something better. Put it this way. The last three weeks while he's been hurt and struggling with his injuries. Who has more fantasy points? Uh-oh. Lamar Jackson or Shador Sanders? No way. Okay, brother. Yeah. Okay. No way. Yeah. No way. That's a real problem. Shador Sanders is the answer. And so it's like, would you play? I mean, obviously, Lamar has, is an MVP, amazing, talented guy who can go out there and win a championship for you. And I still think that that's in the range of outcomes. He gets healthier in the next couple weeks when the fantasy playoffs come. But I feel like you have to wait and see it happen.

Before, you can't go out and win in the playoffs with seven points from your quarterback. If you put seven points up from your quarterback in the playoffs against other good teams, you're probably out of the playoffs. But I mean, there's going to be people who have to win, be, they will be winning in this week with Lamar. Yeah, and you play, you play somebody else. It's, that is, you can't go down with this. This is, this is going to be this. We're going to have the same conversation about Justin Jefferson in a minute. Jefferson, I think, is a much easier bench.

I do not envy anyone who has to make that Lamar decision this weekend. This was the test for me of guaranteed benching. And he put up seven points. Yeah, it's tough. A win. I'm just a win and in situation and the potential. I will say that Lamar Jackson goes nuclear on your bench is. If. That makes people quit fantasy football. If Isaiah likely doesn't fumble. Right. That's a big touchdown pass. Yes. And Jay Flowers had a touchdown as well. Jason said it. It's not like you can't go right. It's just this is three in a row. This is ice cold. This is something you're not running the football, right? I mean, that's the baseline that you're normally guaranteed 10 to 15 on running alone. The baseline for Lamar Jackson that makes him so special is that he is going out there on a season and he's rushing for 700 to 1,000 rushing yards. That's that's his.

That's his season totals. Not the 272 he's on pace for? Exactly. 272 rushing yards. That's, I mean, that's not even remotely. Alex Smith could pass that. Yeah, for sure. It's awful. And then, you know, a lot of blame goes to the offensive coordinator. But holy crap, Jalen Hertz was not good in this game. Time after time, the throws were just off. 19 to 34. I don't know what's worse. Jason singing or Papa Josh being so happy he did. I don't know. Taylor Hertz, let's put it this way. Three of the last four weeks, he's been outside the top 12 for your quarterback. So this is not Lamar Jackson level of let you down, but this is also not when you weak type of stuff. Yeah, I'm not really too worried about.

Jalen Hertz, he's still able to run the ball. He's not banged up like Lamar. You're going to have push touchdown opportunities whenever they're on the one yard line is just a bad game and a bad run. But while I- He is different than he used to be in terms of the rushing yardage is the lowest of his career. Yeah, he runs, and I hate to say this, but he has a lot more. cowardice than he used to. Maybe wisdom. We'll call it wisdom. Okay, there we go. Big difference between those words, man. Yeah. One is pretty bad. I think in his mind, he's being smarter. And in my mind, being weak. So his average, just to give you perspective, over the last four years, so it's a four year sample, not counting this year, he's averaging 700 rushing guards on the year. He's on pace for 460 right now.

That's a pretty big change in the, you know, the floor, I guess. Yeah. For Hertz. He's still the quarterback four on the year. But his consistency level, do you know what it is? I would guess, I would guess a B. Yeah, it's C. It's 47% of games over 20. He's now below 50, 50 over 20. So it's just something to pay attention to because it's on him. Like, I mean, there was a slant route to Devante Smith that he just. missed a wide open. The wide open Dallas gotter. There was literally in the middle of the field with no one on him for a walk-in touchdown. I mean, he could have underhand thrown it 30 yards and let defenders try to catch up and he would have got a touchdown. So when you no longer have the dog, you're just, you're wise. Yeah. Yeah. He's, I mean, because it's, it's really, it's a choice. It's like, and if you look at the way Josh Allen plays, Josh Allen,

He will go after every extra yard he can get. He is still, he still runs unwise. Well, he's humongous. Alan has like 25 pounds on him. Yeah, I mean, the Cam Newton, Josh Allen is the, they're the same thing. Yeah. I don't think this is, I just think everything is off right now with Philly's offense. I mean, you can look, you can start with Sequin and the ability to run the football on big runs. You, and just point to Lane Johnson. I mean, Lane Johnson's, when they don't have him. Have you seen their record? I mean, their record is sub-500. So Josh Allen did have a down week. That was just the running game, destroying the Steelers. I mean, didn't they run for like 300 yards or something insane? James Cook was, what, 30 carries? 32, yeah. And Matthew Stafford, a down week as well, had the two turnovers, which one was returned for a touchdown. They end up losing basically because of those turnovers.

Caleb Williams, he's had six top 10 weeks, six QB 20 or worse, and never finishes in the middle. Caleb Williams on the season is completing 58% of his passes. Like, I knew it was rough, especially this last six weeks or so. I didn't realize it was that bad. 58% is, that's not acceptable. That's not good. You're not going to win with that. I think they, you know, it's probably because he's targeting Rome so much. Gotta go to Mr. Loveland. Loveland. Rome is under 50% on his targets, on his catches. Catch percent? Yeah. I think it's because Caleb, when he snaps it, sprints, yeah. Oh, crap, oh, crap, oh, crap. In a diagonal pattern and then use his rocket arm to just chuck it. Everyone at home, next time you watch the Bears play, just start doing that in your head. Every snap, when he gets the ball and he draws back in the pocket. Make those sounds, say it.

Give his inner monologue a voice, and it is so much fun to watch, Caleb. PPR fantasy tips tweeted this out. He said, Rome only has two drop passes on the year. Only 46 of the 84 targets have been catchable for Roma dunce. Yeah, I mean, he- So that's 55-45 and catchable and catchable. Rome had that route that he cooked the defender, got wide open for a touchdown. Caleb found him late in the play and missed him. Through it where he couldn't catch it. Yeah, into the dirt. Mm-hmm. All right. We'll take a break. We'll come back with running backs. All right. We are in the heart of the fantasy season and the injuries are already piling up. ACLs, stingers, and turf toes. Oh, my. In fact, the only thing right now that feels good is having the perfect backup ready to go. So wouldn't it be great if you had a perfect backup in real life too? With progressive, you get more than just a policy. You get a...

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He's their workhorse getting everything. And he is on pace for 1,048 yards. That's it. Just barely getting to 1,000 yards. And this is a guy who last year, if they didn't bench him in week 18, probably would have broken the all-time rushing record. It's not been the same. I don't think it's going to get back to last year. You probably don't have Lane Johnson for any of our purposes, rest of the fantasy season left. So, I don't know, you're just going to have to keep playing him, but you aren't going to win a championship because of him. Right. Yeah, Travis E.T.N. Ash and Gentie, the running backs for the Chiefs, Kenneth Gainwell, any major concerns with anybody from that group? Like, Genty, I mean. Gentie, it is what it is. You're just, you're trying to take PPR points at this point. The schedule for Genty is about as brutal as you can get Denver at Philly at Houston. I mean, you're.

You better be praying for some pass interference in the end zone. Yeah. Kenneth Gainwell did not get it going. No, Gainwell was the lack of targets for Gainwell in a game. You're losing multiple touchdowns was odd. The Rogers probably should not have played. Did Rogers come back after the injury? He should not have played. I mean, well, I guess if you're the man of mystery came in, Master of Disguise, and he's just, he's not good either. Jackson, Smith, and Jigba. Four targets, two for 23. There was, you know, some comments about what happened. Basically, you know, Sam Darnold just made the best decisions for the team. Flores was doing stuff to take away JSN. No one's really been able to take away JSN. But in this game, they handled Minnesota quite easily. Minnesota came knowing.

If we win this game, which is an important game for us, it will be our defense. Their defense played great. They played great despite, you know, by the end of the game, they gave up a lot of points because of the situation of the game. But their defense was really, really, really good. And JSN had a down week, and that will be his final down week of the season. His previous down week was 79 receiving yards, which is wild. And then Justin Jefferson. I mean... That's pretty loud. That's pretty loud. It's the lights. Justin Jefferson, two catches for four yards. I think a goose might have felt better. Yeah, I have a little bit more cathartic. You didn't win because you had two for four. Two for four is just a slap in the face. It really is. You want to catch? Check this out. Fine. Fine. Man. I mean, goodness gracious. He was averaging 12.9 fancy points per game with Carson Went starts, which that's good, not great.

That's not wide receiver one. That's just outside of it. In the seven starts with Brosmer and McCarthy, he's averaging 8.4. I mean, ew. And look, this was a guy who six weeks ago, we said, boy, their schedule's great for pass catchers. I mean, this is full, we talked about it at length last week. This is full deletion of Justin Jefferson. Yeah. This is what we talked about happened with. a handful of other elite Hall of Fame wide receivers in the past, from Larry Fitzgerald to Steve Smith, DeAndre Hopkins, even Calvin Johnson. They get a year like this. He didn't talk to the media afterwards. I don't blame him. I don't even know where you go. I mean, at this point, there is one purpose for the Minnesota season, one. And it is the maximum amount of games for J.J. McCarthy to figure out how to be a quarterback that is not a...

third string arena football quarterback. Yeah, unfortunately, that is what has, it's the only thing that Minnesota could play for now. And I've got a tip. I've got actually some tips for. Okay. For who? For, for, uh, J.J. McCarthy. It's a simple one. It's the Joe Flacco plant. Throw the ball to Justin Jefferson on every play. Every play. That's good advice, man. That's really good advice. I promise it will work out the best of all your throws. They did, they did target them six times. You might see the four yards and think they didn't, but he caught 33% of his passes. Oh, my God. In the last five weeks, who has more points? Oh, no. Justin Jefferson? Oh, no. Or Shadour Sanders. That's what I thought you were going to say. Or Dantavian Wicks. Oh, well, I mean, that one doesn't even surprise me. Okay. Greg Dorch. Uh, okay. Keep going. Greg Dorch has more. Yoshivas. Yeah, now there you go. There you go.

Jalen Coker. Yeah. He had to be. Jalen's behind him. The good news for McCarthy is I can't imagine that anyone in Minnesota will be clamoring to like, hey, we got to see what Max has. Put him in the game. We got to see what the backup has nothing for you. He has nothing to offer you. You just put McCarthy in. You take all the lumps. It's going to be. Brutal and painful. It's the only worthwhile investment. Yeah. I think you really genuinely need to put the entire, like from here on out, when you get nine back on the field, you really need to make it a passing game plan. Like, yes, you do. You need to go out there not trying to protect or hide nine. Nope. You need to go out there and say, okay, we're a pass first team now. You're going to go out there. You're going to sling it 35, 45 times a game.

and figure this crap out. Yeah, and you need for your confidence having a 350-yard game. I don't care if you throw 50% passing. Yeah. Have a 300-yard game. Get some confidence and give yourself a shot at not wasting the pick entirely because, you know, I was worried that any injury or anything taking him off the field now, you don't go into the off-season with the current JJ McCarthy and he's your plan. So your only way for him to be part of your plan to compete because that's the best case scenario is that he'll be in a competition. That's his best case.

with somebody that they sign. By the way, there's another conversation to be had about Zay Flowers because Zayflower, don't look at the game log. You'll throw up if you look at the game log for the year. He is now, he's averaging fewer points per game each year since his rookie season, 10.5 to 10.1 to 9.5. His consistency is a D. 29% of the time he's over 10.5 points. Do you remember our conversations about Lamar Jackson? Yes. Yeah, that's part of the part of the issue here is that you've got Zay Flowers as the wide receiver one for the Baltimore Ravens. And that's usually an awesome thing. That's a great offense. They're not really a good offense right now. Well, they have, Bateman's been out, right? Or did he come back? He came back in week 13, I think. And did he play in week 14? It's not work 14. Sorry, no, 13. So he did come back. Yes, he played the full game. Because he had missed a couple weeks. Emeka, Abuka.

eight targets four for 42 and a brutal drop he's we were talking about him um don't tell me what you said well it was it was one of those things we don't say on this podcast yeah i mean he got off to such a hot start as a rookie that you just immediately said superstar unbelievable going to be a generational talent really if you look if you take those big boo if you take those first five weeks out where he had touchdowns like crazy, he has been not start worthy, like at all. I mean, you're talking about from that point on, he's averaging seven fantasy points. He would be on a 17-game pace in his last seven games of 840 yards. I'm looking at it. It's terrible. And 153 targets. Yeah. And honestly, it's weird. Now, he did get hurt.