Fantasy Football - Week 10 Start/Sit + TNF Preview, NFL Trade Reactions - Podcast for 11/5

to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in one and all. Oh, man. After that trade deadline, no voice, Andy's boring. I can't breathe. I can't get enough rest of my lungs. Welcome in, everybody. Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast. Yo, yo, yo. Yo, yo, everybody. It's the hands that gets me on that video. What's going on, everybody? Welcome to the podcast. Wednesday, November 5th. Thank you for joining us. Yeah, the voice is a little beat up, but I'm here and we're going to talk about a lot of stuff today. We had the unfortunate, I guess.

privilege of like recording a show right before a million unexpected trades went through. And the trade deadline for the NFL is not normally this active. And then we got the Jacobi Myers trade on the show. So I mean, it wasn't too much. But the nice thing is we're every day. You know. Yeah. Yeah. We're right back here. If news breaks today, you'll hear about it in the morning. Yep. So we will talk through the implications of a couple of these trades and the trades that didn't happen. Right. Oh, there's a few. There's one upsetting. That's the one, Breece Hall. And that came down to like, I mean, this is just put it on the same framework of a fantasy football trade. It's like, we'll give you a four. We want a three. Yeah, that was the chiefs. We want a three. It was reported that the chiefs offered a four and the jets held firm for a three. And nobody, yeah, nobody blinked. And then there was the very fortunate for Michael Wright.

All the rumors of the Patriots. Oh, yes, yes. Bringing in a running back. Yeah. And it did not happen. Yeah. Oh, that's weird. Not Tony Pollard, not Breece Hall. Nobody. You nerds. Not when you got Trell Jennings. Yeah. No, I mean, I posted a video with all of the, all the touches for Trayvion Henderson yesterday. Yeah. You know, when you watch the video and you watch the game, we just need to. Remove the emotion of the beginning of the year, the draft season, the hype, all of the baggage. Expectations. Expectations. And look at the film and recognize this. If he scores in that game, you got everything you wanted from Trayvion Henderson that you could have asked for, and he just didn't score.

Yeah. I mean, that's literally what... And I thought he looked good. I thought he looked good on the video. You don't count. Okay. You're biased. You could watch him run backwards, five yards, get tackled and fumble. You'd be like, but it wasn't his fault. I have... I have... I have complaints. But I will say, as a more unbiased, third-party watcher of the film, I thought it was really good. The only... My complaint is they're using him like a 230 pound back. Like... Get him out in space. Let them, you know, let them do some zone runs. I feel like there was like maybe two or three outside runs. And there were like one was a pitch. He read the, he had, he had hit a hit a hesitation. It's hard to say. Hizzy. Hizzy. And, and read the blocks perfectly, got a nice chunk gain. And, and then the, my complaint about the, the targets of like everything's just like that check down to the outside. It's like the, uh, I don't know the name of the route.

We call them a Texas where it's you angle out, but then you angle right back into the middle of the field. It's like Hendo would eat on that route. Well, look, you can't, like there's two sides to the Henderson discussion. If we don't want them to use them like a regular running back, that is a humongous problem for training Henderson. You got to run him inside. If you want him to be a three down back, you have to function in the offense that you need a three down back in. So you've got to, like Devon Achan does this all the time. You have to run him inside because.

If you want him to become what we want him to become, you need to execute that. I think it's more we want also want opportunities. Like Achan is the perfect example because he runs inside all the time. But then they get him out on the edge. You know, they pass the ball to him a ton. Those type of things. Like try to get that type of a playmaker in space. But if the film was not bad, he didn't get the touchdown. And we have one single opportunity inside the five. So we don't know if that is like. the role that went to Jennings or if it's like, oh, that just happened to be who was in the field on the field and he got the touchdown. The comp I would give you is what Chicago has done with DeAndre Swift. The first four weeks, they just, he was not being utilized properly. He was running a 3.3 yards per carry. And that's because he had one decent game. Like he had week one is 3.1 yards per carry. Then he had week three against Dallas, 2.5, 2.7 against Las Vegas. They go in the buy week.

And they're like, hey, maybe we get the fast guy on the outside as well. And then things have really turned around. So look, I'm not a professional offensive coordinator, but as the nerd in my mom's basement watching that, I thought the film looked good. It just, there could have been some better utilization choices added in. No, I think it's, that's fair. And as we get into everything on today's show, which will include backup options, all the trade news to talk through. Thursday night preview some mailbag. We also want to do what we do every Wednesday, which has announced the current Megalibole leader. Smokey the Bear 97. That's changed, right? It is, although I think Smokey the Bear was around the top. Preventing force fires and dominating. Since 97. Pook nookam still in second. Yeah, so congrats to those teams still fighting at the tippy top of the Megalobole. Signed James Cook Jersey giveaway. Still going on at Footclan giveaway.com.

And I am trying to decide whether I say something right now. Oh, once you say that, just so you know for future reference, when you say that part out loud, the decision has been made for you. Oh, I know. You're going to, yeah. So do you think it's something I should say? Yes. The trade analyzer. Oh. You didn't know what he was going to say yes. I knew what I would. I mean, but now. Why say yes? because you had something that because you wanted to know i don't like getting teased you know yeah i want the reward give me the cherry jason is leaving the show yeah you're welcome everybody ever since the mustache went away yeah the feedback he's getting from family friends self self he's retiring on account of a i'm trying a follicle related trying to grow it out as quick as i can i was funny i shaved for the daniel jones and then

You know, I came in and I was like, man, I really thought I'd have more of a like 5 o'clock shadow to look like Daniel Jones. And then you're reminding me I'm not Italian. And I was like, I really miscalculated the level that I shade. The trade analyzer in its beta form should go live sometime today. That's what I'm going to say. Awesome. Okay. So we know that trade deadlines are coming soon. We want you to have the opportunity to go and play with that. It is one of a huge assortment of tools now available to you at jointhefoot.com. And so we're very excited about it. We've been working hard. It will hit the app at some point as well, but it'll be on web first. And so we want you to go ahead and take advantage of that. We'll certainly get it out on social media when it's officially live. But we're very excited. This is something you guys have asked for for literally 10 years. So it is still...

You know, you guys are going to use it and test it. I'm sure we'll have some feedback on it. But it includes the ability to, you know, you're bringing in your league and your opponent's rosters. You'll be able to do trade analysis. There's an in-depth trade mode. There's the ability to add draft picks to the equation to be factored in. And so... Works on redraft and dynasty. Yeah. So it's supposed to be a tool. Our goal was start sit tool. Our goal with rankings. our goal with the trade analyzer is not to make all your decisions for you our goal is to give you all the best most relevant data and information contextualize it in a way that's easy to consume and let you make a decision based on how we weigh those things because every league is different right you can you can go in and it's we ask it on the show all the time oh in a vacuum would you do this well you don't live in a vacuum in your league you you have 11 other managers or nine other managers so um

Very excited to get that out to you. I know you've been waiting for it. So join thefoot.com for that. And let's jump into backup options. Backup options presented by progressive insurance. Well, well, well, the waivers going through today. A lot of players getting dropped, Isaiah Davis being one of them. A lot of people holding on diet. Isaiah Davis thinking he'd be the number one running back in New York. It didn't happen. Jaden Daniels, one of the most frequently dropped, Kyler Murray, who I think. I think Kyler Murray will hit. We got more. I are. We did just get a tweet here from Adam Schaefter. This was, oh, no, this was yesterday. But it was Kyle Murray and the Cardinals have consulted multiple doctors on the foot injury. They've been told timetables for recovery have been anywhere from four to eight weeks with an increased chance of setback until it's properly heated. Yeah, the increased chance of setback is Jacoby Percette. This is, um,

You know, Jonathan Gannon went on the Burns and Gambo show yesterday, a local network here, talked about the fact he would have made Jacoby the starter regardless of whether Kyla was hurt. He said that on the show. So the injury is convenient. It's a nice cover for Kyler being able to get put on IR, which is going to happen. I'm telling you. He's going to get put on IR because it's the cleanest path to a new future for Arizona. You know, people have really gotten upset with me about saying Kyler's the better quarterback. He hasn't been the better quarterback recently. Historically, Kyler was an MVP candidate a handful of years back when the Cardinals went 7 and 0, and they were a competitive team. His ceiling with his legs combined with him as a passer, that is a really high ceiling historically. Ever since the injury, he's been very passive, bad in the pocket, unable to complete downfield throws.

unable to stand in there and take a hit. He has changed as a quarterback and he's not a better quarterback today. There are two versions of Sam Darnold. There is the fearful young Sam Darnold and the fearless stand in the pocket Sam Darnold that we've seen over the last couple of years and it makes all the difference. And it's gone in reverse for Kyler. Kyler used to stay in the pocket a little bit more, scramble keep his head up, his eyes up. Downfield. Yeah, exactly. And make plays. Now it's like the Unseeing Ghosts version of Sam Donald with Kyler, where it's like as soon as there's pressure near him, he's so fearful and timid. And the play's done at that point. Just put some pressure on. Yeah, or he'll just run for three yards to get the play over with. It's, um, Jacoby is much better for this offense. We've seen it for three consecutive weeks. He's actually in streaming conversations as a fantasy quarterback. He's on several of my waiver lists today. I.

I have DAC in a lot of leagues. If you got Marver McBride, this is good news for your fantasy team. Yes. So Kyler dropped a lot. Jaden Daniels dropped with the, you know, Jaden could come back, but probably not to the point where you're like excited to play him going into your playoffs if he happened to come back and we don't think you probably will. Jacori Kroski Merritt, another big name getting dropped a lot. Makes sense. Bam Knight as well after the down week. darnal mooney hasn't done anything matthew golden who will talk about kion coleman some other names getting dropped if you didn't get who you wanted i do have some other names to bring up we each got a name for you i'm going to bring up chris rodriguez junior for the washington commanders for a couple of reasons one um he was the team leader in rushing and he he ran much better than jcm this past week the way jcm is running right now it seems inevitable to me that they need to try different things the offense will not be as good with

mariotta anyways so the odds of jcm having success staying in that role to me i think the team could turn turn it over to to chris rodriguez but what if i did this though only one that's only one person's that convince you we're almost to the amount of bills in that little drop as bad games that he's had in a row so yeah chris rodriguez was 12 for 65 and one on the ground to me if you need a spot start if you're deciding between nick chubb and chris rodriguez you can take a swing at them Chris Rodriguez is Darius Slayton. Chris. Chris Rodriguez is a guy who's like, he's always been fine whenever he's been given an opportunity. And they just do not want to give him opportunity. They hate that dude. It's like Dearness Johnson. Yeah, I don't know if he's like just pooping on the ground in the locker room or something. They just something behind the scenes seems like no matter what he does, you can't get on the field. That dude never flushes. He's running he's running 4.7 a carry. They need to give him a shot. Yeah, I would love to see him take over.

and just get an opportunity to be the guy. I don't think it's going to happen, but I like this as a pickup. Chris Rodriguez is out there on a lot of waivers. 12 carries is a lot of carries. Yeah. A lot of opportunities. You know, in our main league of record, there's no, there's never anyone out there. And Chris Rodriguez is like available. He is, he is someone that should be rostered for sure. Now you have an interesting. Now, I'm curious though. Who would you prefer if you have JCM? Would you roster, would you cut Bill for Chris Rodriguez because he's running better and might have the opportunity or the rookie who they want to have success with who's getting the kind of starts, would you keep Bill? Well, I, let me answer it this way and it might be cheating. I would start Chris Rodriguez over JCM this week. Okay, that's fine. I will accept that. All right. Cheaters answer. So I've got two names here. The first one pains me.

It's disgusting. It is disgusting. Yesterday, Mike, you said that you would cut him, and that's fine. A lot of people are cutting him. He is on the most cut list right now. It's rookie wide receiver Matthew Golden. What? Yeah. Here's the thing. We talked about Luke Musgrave, who I don't think is going to inherit Tucker Craft's role. He doesn't have the yards after catch. He'll do his best. He'll do his best. He'll do his darnest. But Matthew Golden is still a first round rookie wide receiver on a team. that needs someone to step up on a team that just lost their, basically their leading receiver in Tucker Kraft. It's a long season. Rookies get better as time goes on. And, you know, I think it's a mistake to drop Matthew Golden. If he was out there, you know, I've got a roster where I'm, I held on to him. And I'm sure when waivers run here for us in an hour, we're going to see Matthew Golden hit a lot of waivers. I would be fine if you've got room to pick him up and still hope. We've seen a few plays.

that, you know, could have changed how we view him right now, and the season is long. He sucked so far, and I want to throw out another name. This isn't to pick up right now. This is really probably to pick up next week, but just keep on the radar. It's Phil Moffa, honorable mention, seventh round rookie pick for the Dallas Cowboys out of Clemson. He's a beef boy. He's a 235 pound body. Yeah, sure. He was back to practice. He was seen back at practice. He's been on IR the whole season. He did not have his helmet on, but they're on a buy week right now. I think that when they come out of the buy, that they will activate Phil Mafa. They cut Malik Davis as well. The Cowboys did. So as the backup, I don't think Blue is it.

Blues had the opportunity and he was a healthy scratch he was enacted exactly so just keep it on the radar deeper leagues dynasty leagues that's all that's all I'm saying Mike you've got a defense I do sometimes you want to get ahead of things even though I think that this that the Ravens DST they're in play this week like I like JJ McCarthy last week was much better but just because it was better for McCarthy doesn't mean it was great and The Ravens defense over the last month, they've allowed just 13 points per game, second fewest in the NFL. They went from who we are targeting to, I think they're figuring it out. And if you're looking at, you know, like the Ravens DST as a whole against positions, you're doing it wrong. You need to be filtering by the last month and seeing how teams are trending. And the Ravens defense is getting it going. Like I said, I think they're in play against Minnesota. But this is more of...

Get ahead of it. Do you remember the season in which Denver's defense gave up, what was it, 73 points? Yes, to the dolphins. And what happened over the second half of that season with that defense? I mean, there are, when you have major health problems like the Ravens have had, you have an offense that didn't have Lamar Jackson, they puts you in short fields. Yeah. And the game script changes completely. The fact that they have the third easiest rest of season schedule is something to put on your radar for sure. And you need to just. You need to be doing this every week. If you don't have a backup option, you need to add, you don't have a bunch of injuries. You got a spot on your bench. Throw a second defense on there. Because next week is Cleveland, and then the week after that is the Jets. Yeah, I mean, it makes so much sense. I mean, Isaiah Davis is now the Jets' third best player on both sides of the ball. On both sides of the ball. They got sold. A three-week run here for a DST in a row is.

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and earn your Sunday with help from Lowe's, official partner of the NFL. News and notes from Around the League, presented by Progressive Insurance. Well, well, well, the trade deadline, it came and went. Your Fantasy League trade deadlines are coming soon. And the trade that got broke on the news or on the show yesterday, Jacoby Myers, traded to Jacksonville. The final terms of that deal, Jacoby, for a four and a six. I've seen discussion about them potentially retaining Jacobi Myers after the season with a new contract. Seems like you'd want to try. You could also see, you know, depending on Travis Hunter's progression, they may still want to move on from Brian Thomas after the season. It's possible. It's been as disappointing a year as you can imagine for what Brian Thomas was last year to this year. Now he's heard again.

Jacobi Myers, they did say that the slot roll was going to stay with Parker Washington. Makes sense. And so I think Parker Washington is still a great pickup and a great play. Jacobi Myers, short week, figuring out an offense. I don't know how. relevant you guys view him for fantasy, but I don't think immediate. Some hope. Yeah, I do think he'll have relevance this year, but this week they're going to the Houston Texans who have not given up a lot of points. Great defense. They're number five against wide receivers? They're number five against wide receivers. I don't know about schedule adjusted or not, but just in general they've given up the fifth fewest. So Jacoby first weekend against a tough defense. I'm not playing him. Rashid Shahid was traded by the New Orleans Saints to the Seattle Seahawks.

I like a lot. Yeah. Do you do? I do. I really like this. I like this for both parties. Um, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, it's not the two teams. Those are the Seahawks and Jason. No, no, it's Jason and Chris Olave. I like it. Oh, okay. Um, so I went for the dynasty show that, that came out today. I went and rewatched all the Tyler Shuck film and, uh, did you bring a, I mean, my ex- Anti-na nausea medication? That was my expectation. He was not that bad. He really, really was not that bad. They barely touched the ball. The Rams just dominated. But on a per play basis, the film, they're not very good. Well, no, I mean, that was the Rams just controlling the clock. Time of possession was one of the fewest amount of minutes. I don't have the stat in front of me right now. It was an all-timer. Yeah, it was an all-timer. So that's why he only threw the ball 24 times. And he wasn't that bad. His pick at the end of the game was like,

The game is running out. You've got to launch this ball. It was terrible. But he was okay, and he was okay with Rashid Shahid. But to take the jokes aside, the landing spot for Shaheed, this sucks for Tori Horton. But Shaheed is such a good downfield threat. And Sam Darnold, his downfield ball this year, his catchable percentage of deep passes is 81.5% which is outrageously high. Like if he finished the season there, it would be an all-timer. So I think it's good for Darnold. This is amazing for Seattle. It's amazing. I mean, they don't, Cooper Cup is a part of the offense. Tori Horton's a part of the offense. O'Royal's a part of the offense. Now, Shahid, who takes the top of every defense. He's 27 years old. And then JSN. I mean, I saw the Seahawks at number two on a power rankings today. And I'm not sure that I, well, I don't agree with that. But I think, but I think it's, but you think it's okay for an argument.

i think it's okay for an argument i think that they're playing that well and their defense is that good and it's just a shame for them they have to go up against the buzz saw that is jacobi brissette this week because it's really going to slow their momentum down when jacobi goes in there is there's no way there's no world where the rug gets pulled out from jacobie mire just just impossible i could say jacobbys every time i bring up it's a reunion with cahid for coops who if you remember the beginning of last year when you're like wait Are the Northern States going to actually be good? And you're like, no. No, they're not. No, it turned out they were not. However, I mean, the, this, I think there will be a couple games where JSN doesn't get the big play because Shaheed, this is not me moving JSN down my rankings at all, but the fact that you have Shaheed, who's so good down the field and will end, he'll end a few drives throughout the season, where you're like, oh.

There's a 40-yard touchdown to Sheed. So I think this is great news for Darnold. He's kind of been living in this fringe streamer. Maybe he's an every week start. I think this could push him into being a, just put him in the lineup no matter against who he's playing. I'm pretty excited. Yeah, you were definitely the most excited of the group in terms of just what this means for the Seahawks. Sauce Gardner traded to the Colts for two firsts and Ad. Mitchell. Oh, man. The 80 Mitchell part is, I think, smart, but hysterical. Do you guys remember? Have you seen the video from the draft where 80 Mitchell was taken by the Colts one pick ahead and the Jets just celebrated because they didn't draft Malachi Corley. So then they traded up. It wasn't one pick ahead, but then they traded up to get Malachi Corley. Whoopsies.

And now a couple of years later, it's like, hey, we'll take that guy. It's huge for the Colts, man. It's a lot to give up. I think it's a good trade for both teams. I mean, the Jets, they get rid of a contract. They get multiple first round picks. They were going nowhere fast. What was the tweet? You know, I was, if you weren't here for the rebuild. You don't deserve me at the rebuild? Yeah. I mean, it's nonstop for the Jets. Do we feel bad for like the. college star quarterbacks right now? Because it looks like with this draft. They're going to get one. Uh, one of them's going to the Jets. Yeah. Well, um, not according to them necessarily. I mean, the comments comments out of the Jets were that, uh, these, these picks could get used for a, yeah, for another veteran quarterback like Tyler Murray, hopefully. Uh, Quinn. Oh, no. Whoa. Whoa. Jets. Whatever you do. Don't fix your problems. Don't.

Don't steal Kyler from us. We will be devastated. Oh no. Don't do that. Please don't. Quinn don't. We'll do it for two. Cowboys traded for Quinn and Williams. They are. It's so hilarious. They're drunk. Jerry Jones running things is. Jerry Jones is literally going senile in front of our eyes. It is. It's very funny. But the to me it was like, hey, fantasy football. You're telling me the Jets just lost Soss Gardner and Quinn and Williams? Just fantastic. This is like from a team that the Jets defense could show up every once in a while. The issue is... No, their offense can't get first downs, man. The issue is... No, no, I'm talking about my teams against the Jets. I know, but even still, like if you're running backs, great. Awesome. Without Quinn and Williams and with a giant lead, you're going to be running. But it's one of those things where it's like, like when the Bengals have a bad defense or the Cowboys have a...

bad defense. It's wonderful for fantasy for both teams in that game. This one isn't quite as exciting because the offense for the Jets, I don't think is going to be able to keep up with how bad their defense is. And unfortunately, you know, yesterday we, I really enjoyed mocking the trade of going and getting a, a bangle defender to improve your Cowboys team. But this is a legitimate upgrade. The Jets are already giving up the fourth most points in the league already. Yeah, but it's even better now. The, the. The Quinn and Williams to the Cowboys, that's going to make an impact. I mean, Andy, you shared a video today of one of their defenders on the Jacoby Brissette quarterback sneak. Oh, it's just unbelievable. It's unbelievable what happened. The Cardinals were sneaking the ball at the one-yard line, and the two defensive tackles just went to block outside players. It was just comical. But, yeah, Quinnett is a good run stopper. He has not pressured the quarterback well this year.