Ice & Fire Picks for 2020 + Absolutely No Guff - Fantasy Football Podcast

He was great every single time he's been on a football field, including his rookie year. We've seen him be terrible once, and I think there are very specific reasons for things being terrible. Part of it is Baker's fault, but I'm putting a lot of blame on what the management of Cleveland did to that team last year. I think the one question people have about how good Baker can be is, you know, Kirk Cousins is great.

but it might not equate, it might equate to success on the field. It might not equate to the fantasy side. How do you approach that when you say, look, Kirk Cousins is arguably, I mean, I was tweeting about it all year. He was the best quarterback in football. Kurt Couss. By several metrics in the Stafansky offense. It didn't matter for fantasy. You're saying so just Baker's, Baker's fantasy output? I'm saying you could be 100% right on Baker and still not get fantasy output from it. Yeah, that's fair. This is not me making the case that, oh, that.

that Baker Mayfield is going to be a top 12 quarterback or anything like that. I'm just saying, I really believe that O'Dell Beckham was hurt far worse than anybody knew. It happened in training camp. Right. And then it showed up on reception perception. Like the dude has been elite, not just great. He has been elite since he came into the league. And I don't think he is done. When I watched them play, it always seemed like O'Dell Beckham and Baker Mayfield were completely out of sync.

I mean, always. Every play it seemed like he's, like you said, Andy, well, the injury can't cause him to throw the ball eight yards away from him. But maybe that's where Beckham would have. Probably both. I mean, it was probably both situations. Because he wasn't bad throwing the ball to Jarvis. Baker was getting, well, yeah, closer line of scrimmage, I'm sure. But Baker was getting hammered and then Beckham was hurt. It's not a good situation. Right. So, yeah, it's interesting.

He's being drafted as the wide receiver 9, which is why you brought up to ADP. The ADP is not the best, but if last year, if that was just health, and he's healthy this year, Odo Beckham should at least return ADP value with upside of being the number one guy. All right. Last pick here. My fire pick. Not going as the wide receiver 9. Going as the wide receiver 28. You are all in, man.

All in. AJ Green. Push the chips. Push them in. Look, you don't look. The amount of chips I got to push in for AJ Green isn't a lot. It's not the Beckham chips anymore. They were lost on. You lost all their chips on AJ Green last year. Which again, this is why he's in the seventh and eighth round. My argument for AJ Green this year is a fire pick is price. So average reposition is a factor and productivity. Make peace with this statement.

AJ Green is a fragile player. Make peace with this. If you draft AJ Green, you're drafting a fragile player. You're 100% buying a fragile player. That's step one in the AJ Green argument. But if you go beyond buying a fragile player, he's been an unstoppable force in the National Football League. For the previous 111 games he's played as an NFL wide receiver, there has been no decline in any way, shape, or form of his on-the-field performance.

You know, we talk about Mike Evans hitting that six-year thousand yard mark. A.J. Green would have had a seven-year stretch to start his career, except for he hit 964 on a 10-game season. So he would have had seven straight years. Last time he was on the field, he was on 130 target, 80 catch, 1,200 yard, 10 touchdown pace. Also known as all the stat lines, AJ Green always puts up when he's on the field. You get into the more anecdotal narrative street arguments. Do you know what it costs?

The franchise of wide receiver in the NFL? A lot. A lot of money. $17.8 million. This is a team that we talk all about. Oh, Joe Burrow, the future. T. Higgins, the future. Zach Taylor, the future. We're looking to the future. You don't, this is a tight, a wide franchise. You're going to drop $17.8 million on a player that didn't play last year. That sounds like them saying, we hear you, Andy.

We still believe AJ. We still believe AJ Green. Well, we were actually going to move on, but then there was this podcast that I heard. He's a difference. Well, he's telling me, they're telling me they believe that he's still a difference maker. He's talked about loving the Zach Taylor offense, that he could play a long time in this offense. It facilitates a longer career for him. And if you look at AJ Green, we know what he is athletically. He's never been a burner. You look at the kind of Larry Fitzgerald career extension arc.

That's the kind of thing I can apply to a player like AJ Green. Jack Taylor coming out, he's going to be a huge part of this offense and the team. Everything we define as a bangle is what AJ is. You're worried about the quarterback play? Alan Robinson has Mitch Trubisky, DJ Morris, Teddy Bridgewater. Devante Parker has insert quarterback here. One of them? Terry McLaren has insert quarterback here. Dwayne Haskins, maybe Alex Smith coming back. All those players are way above AJ Green.

an average draft position. Joe Burrow can sling it. He's coming in with arguably the most compelling single-season collegiate quarterback resume of any rookie quarterback in the last 15 years. So my whole argument here is you're not getting, AJ Green will not be what his ADP is. He may be, you might lose the chips. You're buying a fragile player. He could get hurt again. But know what he did? He didn't come back. He didn't force himself back from the injuries. He just waited.

and got better. And he's like Odell Beckham on paper right now from the coaching staff 100% healthy. You're not going to get wide receiver 28 to 32. You're going to get much, much above that. Or you're going to get, as Jason said, you're going to find that treasure chest on the beach. You're going to open up. There's nothing inside. Maybe some crabs. Yeah, I don't think you want crabs. You never want crabs. You know, I think your best argument here is the price, is the fact that you're taking a high.

You're taking a high upside pick at a place where if you're wrong, it's not the end of the world. You know, look, I want my seventh rounder. I want him to come through, but it's not like you're giving up your first or second round pick to get A.J. Green, so you're taking your shot. I'm probably still out, but I don't mind it. You know, last year I was very anti-A.J. Green. This year, I personally...

We'll probably try to avoid it. He's 32 years old. Let me ask you a question because you brought up T.Y. Hilton. I just won't put you on the spot here. Late third round, T.Y. Hilton, middle seventh round, AJ Green. Where are you picking? So if this was a keeper league and I could choose to grab one of those two players. That's a great question. I'm just curious. I'm, I'll probably take, ooh, that is tough. I think AJ Green in the seventh.

And having a fourth round pick available to grab someone else in the fourth with T.Y Hilton's. Oh, the third? Yeah. I think I go, AJ Green there. I have green ranked higher. There you go. It's easy for Mike. Yep. All right. Well, ice and fire in the books, guys. We made it. We've got a mock draft show coming up this week. Morning show. We've got episodes every single day. Do us a favor. Subscribe to the podcast. Click that subscribe button, whether it's Apple Podcasts, Google Podcast, Spotify. Click that subscribe button.

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