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Fantasy Football 2017 - Starts of the Week, Week 14 Matchups, Quadruple Waterbet

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You've already started kind of doing your bronze work to put him in the Hall of Fame. I was filling in Mike because Mike was gone last week and he was unaware of my off the show in the office, Case Keenham love affair I was having, looking up all of his stats and...

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And his play, I really have been a big fan. That's why I agree with Mike. Adam Thielen, he's just a must start. I don't care in the matchup. He's had such a great rapport with Case Keenham. And Case Keenum has been good. I agree with Latavius Murray. Stefan Diggs is still a flex-worthy player. Yeah, when I said, I'm not benching him. I just am not confident. But Diggs is much better at home. This is a road game in a tough matchup. Diggs is the kind of player.

28:28 ↗

But if he pops, you're going to have those upsets because he's the kind of player that at least has shown the potential to be a top five wide receiver on the right week. But you're right. You've got to temper those expectations. The one place that the Panthers can get beat is a little bit through the air. Keenham at a high level, but they're on the road. This game matters for both teams. The Vikings fighting for the one seed. The Panthers just coming off the loss of the Saints fighting to stay in the playoffs. They're at home. Where's our confidence level with...

28:56 ↗

The other side of the ball, Cam Newton, Christian McCaffrey running a lot better as an actual running back. And then Mike, I had to do it. I had to bury him. I had to pump the brakes. Devin S. scrumptious, not so scrumptious this week, huh? No, look, I'm going with Xavier Rhodes. I feel confident, him shutting down, Devin Funches. The only guy on this, on this Carolina offense that I have.

29:24 ↗

Any confidence starting right now in this match would be Christian McCaffrey. And that's because it's just he's safe. With his target level is safer for a baseline. Maybe he rips off a big run. And maybe, this is a lot. I'm throwing a lot of maybes. I apologize. But Cam Newton is startable only if you are banking on the rushing yards in this match. He's rushed for 174 yards since week 10.

29:54 ↗

The Vikings have been a little bit leaky against running quarterbacks, but the passing guards will not be there for Cam Newton. There's that Costco trip again. Yeah, he is, Cam Newton's a low-end quarterback one. He could very much disappoint, but the rushing yards make him secure. I am not quite as down on Devin Funches as you are. I see him as that.

30:18 ↗

low-end wide receiver 2 this week, which means in most games he's going to be starting. That's not a big difference maker, though. You still start him, but you're not expecting big thing. Right. And then for context, we have Cam Newton as our consensus number 10 quarterback on the week. If you go to the fantasy footballers, click on the rankings tab. You can see all of our rankings. If you have a start-sit decision, you can kind of see where we're at. And we update those all through the year and all through the week as we get more news and information.

30:44 ↗

We even have flex rankings up there for all the foot clan out there. So if you've got a decision between positions and, you know, we can't answer every Twitter question. We try, but we can't. You know, the answers are out there. The truth is out there. The truth is out there. Oh, Mike, you let me down big time. I don't. Big time. Here, true story. I did not watch the X-Files.

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Very impressive. That's what you need. I'm very impressed right now. All right. Greg Olson, he's practicing in full. Yeah. Can't start him, can you? Nope. Okay, the Bears take on the Bengals. 37 and a half point over under in Cincinnati. You are. Is this? If you're uninitiated with the line, a 37 and a half point over under is exceptionally low. Vegas is saying not the many points are going to be scored this game. Is it?

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possible, though, that this is a reflection of not knowing what's going on with Joe Mix. I mean, this game's in Cincinnati, and I know that the Bears' defense is all right, but they haven't been very good lately. And look, you can't be very good when your offense is giving the other team short fields all throughout the game. And right now, the Bears, 25th against the fantasy wide receiver, 19th against the running back, they're not doing anything special. I'm really surprised that the line for the total points is that low. I feel like...

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Out of that 37 and a half, that must be like 35 points to the Bengals and 2.5 points to the Bears. Yeah, I read into it that it's mostly they don't believe the Bears can score against the Bengals regardless of the injuries. I had a Twitter question because I recommended the Bengals DST is a great play this week. I mean, they have a number of injuries and possible suspensions and all these things mounting, but I still feel very, very comfortable.

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playing the Bengals at home. I think that the spread reflects that they think the Bengals will put up some points and that the Bears will put up close to none. Because Ms. Trubisky is just not getting it done. And if they can't count on Jordan Howard to carry the offense, which I wanted to pick Jordan Howard this week as somebody I believe that can break out. And I don't. Bengals in the last six weeks, 29th and giving up points to fantasy running backs.

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Yeah, they really have. I mean, they've been, some of the injuries in the secondary for the Bengals this game might open up a little bit of passing opportunities. Mitch and Trubiske will make sure that doesn't happen though. But like Perfect. We expect Perfect to be out at this point. Yeah. Open up the middle. Still to be seen, but yeah, he could miss the game. I, look, I know it's difficult because it's two weeks in a row that's bad games from Jordan Howard. But.

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The matchup, the statistics, they say that this is a good matchup for Jordan Howard, despite the fact that the Bengals are a good defense. Over the 49ers. No, I get it. No, that's what I'm saying. Your confidence is low, but I still think you have to start Jordan Howard because it's going to be very few teams that have another, you know, a third option better than Jordan Howard. Well, you've got to look at waiver guys this week. So let's say Mike Davis.

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That's a good point. Mike Davis or Jordan Howard? I would go Jordan Howard. Yeah, I think I would play Howard in that situation. A mixing list, Gio Bernard. In this same game. In this same game, I'm playing Gio, unless I'm in a full standard league. I would as well. It's crazy. By the way, John Ross, follow up on that injury, you know, for you dynasty holders. Marvin Lewis said that he's been hiding the injury from the team for this year. So that might explain a lot of why.

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We've gone through it. We've gone through with John Ross trying to get back on the field, not performing. He had this shoulder surgery. This is a shoulder injury. Uh-oh. So we'll see what happens. That was the knock coming out of college. The biggest knock on John Ross was not his football play. It was his injury history. I mean, when he broke the record at the 40 time, he got injured on that record-breaking run. Do you remember he came up limping on that? Well, when you break the sound barrier, can't expect the body to hold up.

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All right. Other headlines from this game, anybody you want to bring up? Are we moving on? I think that Andy Dalton is a fine stream. Man, he looked good for half that game. He looks sensational. And the truth, I mean, they lost mixing. And things kind of turned on their head. You had a drop by AJ Green when they were moving them down the field, had a chance to win that game still. All right. Yeah, I'm perfectly fine streaming Andy Dalton. Agree. The 6-and-6 Packers take on the 0-12 Brown. They're still...

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There are 500, in my opinion. Funny, I thought you were going to be surprised that the Browns are still winless. No, that doesn't shock anybody. Poor Browns. Oh, no! Andy's almost upset of the week. Calling it now the Browns get the first win. And throw a wrench into everybody's there in Rogers' hopes. I was holding up my finger to signify pause because who is...

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If I didn't give you the line, who would you say his favorite in this game? The Packers on the road with the Browns. I mean, I would call that pretty close to a pick him. It's not, though. I know, I know. Three and a half point favorites for the big. When an O and 12 team is facing a six and six team and their underdogs by three and a half at home, I think that, I think calling for their first win is pretty fair.

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Yeah, I agree. And you're right, Andy. This would throw a massive wrench into all the Aaron Rogers hopes, all the Jordy Nelson hopes. A lot of people picking those players up. So if you've got them, if you've picked them up, you are rooting against Andy's almost upset this week. And you will be rooting for the Packers because Aaron Rogers isn't coming back if the Packers are out of the playoffs. Packers' defense has allowed 275 receiving yards per game since week 10. Second worst in the league. Josh.

36:47 ↗

Oh, my goodness, Josh Gordon. I think we're going to see something special this week. I think it's going to make me cry because I traded him in our dynasty league. We are going to talk about him again later, but perhaps we should just talk about him. Now I'm so excited for Flash Gordon, the perfect matchup, the perfect quarterback for this. I mean, this is George Clooney, Mark Wahlberg.

37:14 ↗

territory here. Perfect storm. Deshaun Kaiser has thrown deep balls on 22% of his past attempts since week 10. That's the most, that's the highest percentage in the league. We know that Kaiser is looking for that big play. We know that Josh Gordon built his career. The reason Josh Gordon is still in the NFL is because he can hit the big plays. We know that the Packers defense are giving up over 275 receiving yards per game. This is, I'm, I am.

37:41 ↗

I'm feeling the clamped over here. I'm so excited for Josh Gordon this week. It's worthwhile to say we thought that at home in Lambo that, you know, Tampa could do damage against that Green Bay defense. And you didn't see Evans and Deshaun Jackson. That's why I called James Winston chunk from the Goonies. Because James Winston, when you, when things are lined up for him, he lets you down.

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He still had a fine game. It's just the touchdowns went to Cameron Brayette, the tight end, instead of going to Mike Evans or Deshaun Jackson. So let's talk about Gordon because I do believe there's a lot of teams of the playoffs, smart owners. They've picked up Gordon because they're smart owners. But now they've got that trouble. They're not the teams that snuck in. They've got a solid team, but they're wanting to throw this massive.

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boom player Josh Gordon out there. If I am that team, I'm worried about that. I don't have the confidence that you have. First game back, hyper-targeted. If we see it rotate back to Cory Coleman or more of a split this week, I won't be surprised. I would be very surprised. So, Andy, you be the tiebreaker here. Do you expect it to just be essentially the Josh Gordon show? And are you willing to start him, if you're a solid fantasy team, are you willing to start him over?

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You know, I'm going to throw out some names for you guys. And I'm very bullish on Mr. Gordon this week. All right. Marvin Jones. Gordon by far. Gordon. I would definitely go Marvin Jones. Same game. Devante Adams. Gordon. I would go Adams. Sterling Shepard. Gordon. With Eli Beck. Shepherd. And then Des Bryant in New York against the Giants. Gordon. Des Bryant. Wow. I'll water bet you against all four of those.

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Oh, my goodness. Oh, sure, yeah. Do we have all? Brooks, did you write that down? Water bet. This has to be the easiest bet of all the time. Hold on, hold on. I mean, that's a, that's Tiger Woods versus the field type of a bet. But we got Devante Adams, Marvin Jones, Sterling Shepherd, Des Bryant. 100 in a touchdown for Gordon this week. See, yeah. Me and, yeah. Woo. All right. So, but this is playoffs. So you get it wrong. You're out. I have to stand up because I want people to win. All right. Back of this advice.

39:52 ↗

I will say this, Andy, historically, I hate to do this. Historically, come these playoff weeks, you've been great. Oh. So, I mean, I hate to say that. It paints everything in me. But you've been great. We're on a team, fellas. No, we are. You know, the first two weeks last year. But a team like three brothers would be on the team. You were the first and second ranked guy. And your intuition.

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It steps up during these playoff weeks. So it gives me a little bit more confidence in Mr. Flash Gordon. I'm not going to be able to stop him. No. I'm still taking that water bet, though. I got four dogs in the race. I knew it was your kind of bet to make. I knew I could get an answer. Now, on top of that, so I like Cory Coleman as a wide receiver. The thing is with Deshaun Kaiser, Jason got very interested in that moment. Sorry, I'm just going back to this water bet. Because.

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I will take four cups. Yes. If he beats the field, if he beats all four, I'm taking, I'm taking four spins at that wheel of water. You'll take one cup per guy that Gordon beats. You're not, well, if he beats all four. Absolutely. All right. Go on. Josh Gordon has just been suspended for not. Just kidding. Just kidding. That is not a real news lawyer. I like Cory Coleman, but I think that Deshaun Kaiser can't sustain multiple wide receivers.

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