Week 12 Waivers + Full Stream Ahead, Die Hard Decisions - Fantasy Football Podcast for 11/24

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and you're listening to the Fantasy Footballers podcast. To the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in. Tuesday, November 24th. Mike Wright, Jason Moore. I'm Andy Holloway, the fantasy footballers, back with you for a waiver show.

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Megalada. Oh, oh, oh. Mike was more musical. I liked it. Jason was as frightening as ever. Tomorrow's show, it's kind of a badge of honor. You make it through the Meglodon. We normally tuck something away at the end of that show. Maybe. Maybe we hide it in the middle this time. Who knows? Or like the very beginning. You're going to have to listen to the whole thing. Maybe we change it. Maybe we tell you something in the middle and then poof-whack.

Maybe. I don't know. Let's react to this Monday night football game. The Rams. Oh, baby. 27. Tampa Bay. 24. I have some fantasy-related thoughts, but I will share a wonderful narrative that we were all following along. Everything about last night now, Jason excluded from maybe this overarching point for last night, was what makes fantasy football great. You have this matchup, and we were all watching with baited breath because Jason...

went into this game facing Al Borland and he, uh, was trailing by just five points. I mean, all I needed was five points. I had Tom Brady. He had Leonard Fournette. That should be like a hundred percent. I mean, and honestly, to be fair, in the first quarter, I took the lead. So it should have been over.

But Tom Brady had other plans. Leonard Farnett had other plans, including dropping a few passes that if I think he caught those, you would have been in trouble. But Jason, you made it out on top. Tom Brady's final touchdown to Mr. Godwin ended up being the difference maker. But it was exciting. It was fun, and it was a weird game because there was no rushing attack from Tampa Bay. Tom Brady was at times as bad as you've ever seen him, yet still.

tied the game up with a couple minutes to play, a few minutes to play, and had a chance to win it. But I think we walked away saying, well, I think you made this point last night, Jason, when Tom Brady is facing a pass rush, when you can hit him a few times, which has been true for a lot of his recent years, but even more this year. If you hit him,

He gets skittish. He gets in trouble. He makes some errant throws. He's keeping it short and close to the line of scrimmage. He can't connect on a deep ball right now. Oh, his deep ball is terrible. And it's certainly one of those things where in future matchups for fantasy, if you're looking at when do I get the good Tom Brady, when do I get the bad Tom Brady? Because there will be more good Tom Brady. It's not going to all be what we saw against the Saints or what we saw against the Rams last night. Just look at that pass rush. Are they able to generate a heavy pass rush with four people?

Tom's kryptonite has been for years, but right now it's destroying him, and you want to pivot away. In the end, he ended up with, you know, 20-ish points in a 6-point passing game, so no. No, no, 14. But, no, 14 and a 4 point. Sorry, 14 and a 4 point. So you were close. I was accurate. I specified 6 point. Yeah. Yeah, okay. Yeah. How many points did he have in a 6 point?

I mean, he had like 22 in ours. He was the number one quarterback last week. So that's what you're talking about, the variance from Tom Brady. The week before that, he was 30th. The week before that, he was ninth and then third. So like you stated, it was, you know, week 14, playoff week one, Minnesota. Okay, well, they're going to blitz. Mike Zimmer's going to blitz, but not a great secondary. Atlanta, the week after, they've struggled.

Yeah. They won't get a pass rush on Brady. No, that's a great match. Detroit in Championship Week. Great matchup. So I guess week 14 would be the only one you're kind of looking sideways at, but even then. No, you're fine. You're probably just playing him. And then Kansas City next week. It's just, it was tough to watch at times. It's also tough to kind of see through the mist at the pass catchers because there's a lot of them in Tampa Bay. And Antonio Brown has been frequently targeted. And while Godwin got into the end zone.

Is he mentally downgraded in your minds in terms of what he represents the rest of season? Are you guys comfortable with all three? I mean, what is your thoughts? Yeah, I mean, I feel like what happened with Godwin is Godwin became, you know, 75% of what he was and then duplicated himself with Antonio Brown. They really play very similar roles as far as, you know, the read and the offense, the quick, getting the ball out quick.

The difference is Antonio Brown does take a few shots down the field. Godwin doesn't really ever go down the field, but that's irrelevant because Tom Brady can't hit anybody down the field right now. Yeah, I'm waiting for them to connect on one. The target share has swung to Antonio Brown as well in the last three games. Since Antonio Brown has been there, he's seeing 21% of the targets compared to Chris Godwin, seeing 18%. Brady does seem comfortable throwing to him in those short areas just as much as Godwin.

On the other side, it was a extravaganza for Cooper Cup and Robert Woods. They combined for 23 receptions. Insane. Very similar games. Woods got into the end zone. 15 targets for Woods, 13 for Cup. Seemed like all of Cups were in the first half almost. He just had a monster first half. Neither team ran the football. I mean, 42 total rushing yards for Tampa, 37 for the, you know, run happy Rams.

Here's Jared Goff's 376 and 3. A week after everybody played him. Thanks, Jared. Thanks, Jared. So, you know, Copp and Woods, you can play them every week, kind of a, you know, you saw some more Van Jefferson in this game. You saw Josh Reynolds, not a lot of targets, both tight-ins got targets. Yeah. Yeah, what I would say about the running game is this was clearly.

You know, especially when you watch the beginning of the game. This was by design. Tampa Bay is phenomenal against the run. They are, you know, at the tippy top of the league. And the Rams said, well, we're not going to struggle in that. We're going to beat them with the passing game. And so if they, you know, have a game against another super rush defense, maybe you'll see more passing. Any other takeaways, Mike?

I noticed it was a great game and it was fantastic to see both Cup and Woods finally. I mean, how many matchups came out of the depths of despair last night if you started Robert Woods or Cooper Cup? I think our own Al Borland needed like 35 PPR points from Robert Woods in an important money leagues. And what did you get out of that?

I needed 34 and ended up getting 30.6. Oh, man. What a loser. That's too bad. I'm sorry. For your loss. All right. News and notes time. News and notes from around the league. Also, Mike Evans is a, he's a man. Well, he saw the Antonio Brown play and he's like, I can do that. He is a man. That touchdown. Yes, thank you. Holy crap. That touchdown. I think he was just so.

Just peeped from the previous play where Jalen Ramsey manhandled him. He's like, you're not Jailen Ramsey. Get off me. Yeah, that was incredible. Wide receivers, there are some that are just unfair out there facing these little 510 ds. Give me a break. All right, Adam Thielen's been placed on the reserve COVID list. He could still be cleared in time for the Sunday game against the Panthers. Yeah, we do not know if he is positive. We don't know if he's a close contact. So it.

Prepare to be without him, but hopefully you will have him. Mark Ingram and J.K. Dobbins have both been put on the COVID list. This is... They are positive. This is a big deal, too, because the game is Thursday. Yeah, they're out. And they're out. So you're looking at Gus Edwards and Justice Hill against the Steelers defense on Thanksgiving. What kind of...

You have the quick reaction, right? You hear these two guys are out and we've said, well, look, if one guy's got the backfield, what should it be Gus? You're going to play him. I guess I'm curious where you will slot him in.

this week or where you're thinking right now? Yeah, I think he's going to be more of a flex option. I don't put Gus Edwards in as an RB2 originally. I was very excited. I just, I deleted Justice Hill from my memory, but it will be a two-man show there. This is a very difficult run defense. So he will get enough volume to be someone that you could start. If, you know, if you were relying on a player that's not there and you need another starter, I think Gus Edwards was

fine, but his upside is probably capped because if he doesn't get in the end zone, and this is a very difficult matchup, then he's just going to be a, you know, you're hoping for 10-12 fantasy points. I think the hard part about it, and I'll ask you a couple of comps, is this is a waiver show. So obviously Gus Edwards is on that list, but this is the time of year where your budget matters too. So if you had a player like Kalin Belage, for example, that you invested in and you can start this week against Buffalo, are you then...

avoiding spending up on Gus Edwards in that situation? Yeah, I mean, if I don't need to start Gus Edwards this week, if I've got another player on my team that's better, I'm probably putting in a very cheap bid if you're in a fab system, a couple of dollars just to have running back depth, always try to grab the running backs that are going to get the ball. Because this could be a multi-week absence as well. What I wanted to highlight is this could be multi-week.

because the news that was released was that they are both positive. We don't know. Are they asymptomatic? I mean, we hope these guys are okay for moving forward for football. We don't know when they will be back. Gus Edwards will be the guy. And just a reminder, they have played Pittsburgh already.