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Week 13 Studs & Duds + Liver King Lifestyle, Monday Punday - Fantasy Football Podcast for 12/5

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Week 13 Studs & Duds + Liver King Lifestyle, Monday Punday | Fantasy Football 2022 - Ep. 1343

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Monday Punday’s Christmas list

The episode frames playoff pain before the puns include Kenneth Walking Boot, Travesty Kelsey, Gus backwards, AJ thrilling, and Christmas Watson, whose touchdowns become gifts fantasy players write to Santa for.

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The days-to-weeks injury calendar

The hosts parse Lamar’s “days to weeks” designation into the rule that all weeks have days but no days have weeks.

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Al tracks the Liver King through Mongolia

Al is openly described as big on drama and revives the Liver King image of going unclothed into a Mongolian river.

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The $230 million dookey grab bag

The Russell Wilson trade is framed as a $230 million mystery grab bag that opens to reveal a dookey and a smell that has already permeated the locker room; Seattle’s 12th-man plan is the absurd explanation.

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Episode notes

The Monday episode opens with playoff pain and the memory of injuries becoming identity. Monday Punday supplies Christmas Watson, Kenneth Walking Boot, Travesty Kelsey, and a fantasy manager’s Christmas list to Santa. The show then turns Lamar’s “days to weeks” injury into calendar semantics, revisits Al’s Liver King obsession with a Mongolian river, and compares the Russell Wilson trade to a $230 million grab bag containing a dookey while Seattle knowingly spreads the smell.

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is that they get more work than the starter when the starter goes down. That's happened two weeks in a row for Somaget Pirine, basically getting all of the work, higher snap percentage, targets, routes, run, carries, as far as running back carry share, then Joe Mixon had. And that's because, yeah, there's no P-Rine behind P-Rine. Exactly. So that's where you're Alexander Madison types. There's going to be one or two of these guys that win people championships due to injury going forward. Cam Acres went 17 for 60 and two touchdowns for the Rams. Okay. And Kyron barely got any work. It's a trap. He gets the Raiders. Yeah, it might not be a trap this week. And their offense looked markedly more competent with John Wolford in there. Like that was the difference between this offense.

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this week in the past couple of weeks with Bryce Perkins. For sure, for sure. Honestly, I had forgotten that Wolford was coming back and was getting healthy because Perkins, Perkins is, well, he's a third string quarterback for a reason. There's a reason Perkins are shutting down around the country. Oh, wow. I don't know. Well, there's three people that understand that joke. Sequin Barclay, Dalvin Cook, Isaiah Pacheco, David Montgomery, Zonovan Knight. other studs for the week bam night getting it done he had a huge run in this game like a what like a 48 yard run but but five targets i mean 15 carries this bam just right off of the bench into your lineup yeah i mean it uh it's nice to see all right we uh we're gonna take a break we'll come back to some wide receivers he can't be stopped in fact i am no i think i think the most in

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Impressive thing about Devante Adams, who had 12 targets, 8 for 177 and 2, is that on a weekly basis, he gets so open that it defies explanation. Makes no sense. It's like he's got a force field that's like 15 yards around him, and it just pushes DBs away. He's always wide, stinking open for these big touchdowns. The last five weeks, he's finished as the wide receiver 1, the wide receiver 6, the wide receiver 1, The wide receiver 32, still double-digit fantasy points. And so far, the wide receiver won. He is absolutely dominant right now. Right now he's the wide receiver won. Well, that seems good. That seems pretty good. And honestly, there was, there was giant questions coming into this season about Tyreek Hill, about Devante Adams, these elite superstar wide receivers losing their quarterbacks, changing scenery. Will they be able to do it?

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For inferior quarterbacks, I mean, at least in Devante Adams' situation, he was going from a first ballot hall of famer to Derek Carr. Coming off an MVP season. Absolutely. And so you wondered, can he get it done? Yep. He was our number one ranked wide receiver on the week, and he's been won three times in five weeks. A lot of doubt before the season, pretty good, pretty good player. First player in an NFL in an F? Let me try that again. First player in NFL history to have seven plus 100 yards game, 100 yard games in three straight seasons. Impressive. And he had one of the greatest catches of the season that didn't count. That didn't count. Yeah. Because he barely, he didn't get the second foot all the way in bounds. But I mean, the catch was like, what? How did that? It's like he has spikes on his hand. It's not even stick them. It's just.

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Just that ball hits the hand. Need another new ball. Ball's deflated. Yeah. I mean, he's, it's ancestral living. It's the liver king style. Oh, we're back to the liver king, huh? I was just doing that for Al. See what kind of reaction I'd get up there. I heard a giggle. Alman Ross, St. Brown, 12 targets, 11 catches, 11 and 2. Left injured, came back immediately and wasn't injured. Yeah, he's really tough. And 11 of 12 is a very good rate of catching the ball. A.J. Brown, revenge game, 8 for 119 and 2. Revenge is served. Cold to the Titans. Devante Smith, late, you know, was injured all week. Mm-hmm. Late removal from the groin index and then 5 for 102 and 1. He's been very good since Dallas Goddard has gone down. Target share has been great. Another eight targets in this game. But it was really nice to see A.J. Brown back into superstardom level.

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Speaking of superstardom level, Garrett Wilson, eight for 162 on 15 targets. He fell down on, I think, all of the misses. That's how I felt watching the game. He was just falling down all the time. And the first quarter, he basically did nothing. It looked like, oh, man, this is going to be such a bust play. Nope. I mean, unstoppable. Tyreek Hill, D.K. Metcalfe, McLaren, Christian Watson, we talked about him. Tyler Lockett, I lied. He was able to get into the end zone again. Five straight games. You cannot stop him. I won't bet against him. Stefan Digg scored, C.D. Lamb, got another touchdown. And Keenan Allen also started the week this past week. Garrett Wilson was Jason's. Keenan was mine. And Keenan went six for 88 and a touchdown. 14 targets turned into six catches for Keenan? Dude, the coverage was tight on Mr. Keenan Allen.

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Watching that game, they had Mr. Herbert off his spots all the time, and it was showing up in the accuracy. Herbert did not play very well. I'm really disappointed with this offense, and it's so tough to ever make an offensive coordinator change when you have a superstar quarterback because they do enough where your offense is good enough where you can't fire an offensive coordinator. But something's wrong with this. They should be better than what they are. To me, that game just came down to never getting to plant his feet and throw the football. The offensive line... They were down three offensive line starters. Yeah, you felt it, and you did. And that pass rush with the Raiders, like, they can get after it, and they did. Tight ends? Here's your top tight end of the week. It was not great. Number one, the best tight end. No offense. Four for 42 in a touchdown. Four for 42 in a touchdown is number one.

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More for 42. Evan Schmingram also scored. Which is fantastic. Which player would you rather have on your NFL team? Noah Fant or Russell Wilson. Which what? Player on your NFL team. Who's more valuable to an NFL team? Noah Fant. I mean, one of these is actively destroying a team. Is the Russell Wilson trade, I know we're not in the pooped yet. Right. Is the Russell Wilson trade going to go down as the worst trade in professional sports history? At least modern. Like in our era, definitely. Unless he turns it around, which some people still believe can happen. Yeah, like how hurt. Next year. Yeah. Injury, hack it, yada, yada. And next year he'll be better. There are hopes for sure. There have to be hopes. Otherwise.

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It's too big a pill to swallow. If I told you that I had like a $230 million grab bag that you could buy. And you brought it. I can buy the money? You can buy the grab bag, Mike. It costs $230 million. Okay. It's going to be something real good in that. Might be a boat. It could be anything. And you go home and you open that thing up. And there's just a dokey in that bag. and the aroma of $230 million on nothing. Well, shame on me for not noticing the smell earlier until I got home. Yeah, but see, somehow Seattle, they knew the smell. The smell had been permeating the locker room. What is the Denver Broncos pick right now? I believe it's somewhere between the number two and the number four. And by the Denver Broncos pick, I do mean the Seattle Seahawks pick. Yeah, the Eagles are picking at six.

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I mean, Russell Wilson does whatever he can do to help the Seattle Seahawks. He is a true Seahawk through and through. He is their 12th man. He is their 12th man. This is all part of the long play. There's going to be a documentary about a decade from now about how Russ went in and sat down with Pete Carroll and said, hey, here's what I want you to do. I want you to trade me for a haul and I'm going to go tank the picks that you're going to get back in response. Limited. Is the only thing that could make possible sense for how.

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putridly bad he is the 12th man and could you imagine so funny could you imagine being a Broncos defender you held the Ravens to three points through 55 minutes you lost that game oh my goodness right now Seattle has the third pick the lions have the Rams pick which is number four and the Eagles have the six pick in the draft So it's unbelievable. Yeah. And the, uh, the Houston Texans will be drafting a new franchise quarterback. Yeah. Congratulations, Houston. Uh, but no, I mean, the tight ends this week, they were players you didn't play. No offense. Uh, maybe you played Schmengroom. Yeah, I played Evan Schminger. I did. Three for, or I'm sorry, five for 30 and one. Yeah. Greg Dolcich. Yeah. Six for 85. Okay. Okay. I mean, if Cortland Sutton was.

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to be out a little bit of time. Sure. And then Gerald Everett, 5 for 80, Cole Komet, 6 for 72, and the Mewth got Luth for a long 59-yard run down the sideline. He also should have got Luth for a 40-yard touchdown up the seam and freaking Pickett missed him. Pickett is just... It was the... It was the Dalton Schultz, the seam route, just right up the middle. And it's hilarious because then I watched that in the morning. And then Sunday night, you see, you see Dak and Schultz run into perfection. You're like, dude, it's so easy. It's just right there. It was a free touchdown. Yeah. Yeah. And Cole Komet. It had another decent week. I mean, six for 72, seven targets. No, no Mooney. Right. They're going in Dubai, which stinks, but, you know, you look, there's been a clear change here.

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Four of the last five weeks, he's had six or more targets. So he's in starting consideration, not this week. Those were the studies of the week presented by Madewell. Don't wait to upgrade your denim game. Go to madewell.com today and get $20 off your next pair of jeans. Use the code footballers 20. Yeah, the bears are just finding a way to lose pretty. They're doing fantastic work. They have the second overall pick coming up. And they don't have to, at least I can't imagine. They're even considering taking a quarterback there, which means that with the quarterback draft class that is coming up, you could trade that second round pick if you want and load up and get a couple future first round picks moving down just a little bit. So for the future of where they were at the beginning of this year,

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And going into the next year's draft class, they have, I think it's about as good as it possibly could have went for them. Which is their plan, right? And they'll have the benefit of the lack of investing financially in the quarterback position for a while because of getting that young rookie contract. So you'll be able to, you could spend the money on Claypool if you want to. Like you could spend the money in other places and get away with it. And part of why they are so bad this year is because they were. doing a salary carve-out. It's not just picks. They knew that their contract situation required a purge, and they are going to go from no money available to a real player, and they can build this team up really quick. Poopped in his big boy pants. All right, let's get into the duds. Oh, yes. And we've got a photo. Deshaun Watson.

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12 for 22 for 131, no touchdowns, one pick. I think he had another pick called back. Oh, Voldemort. To be fair, he hasn't played in a long time, and he looked like he hasn't played in a long time. 700 days. He was terrible. Now, obviously, you look at the line, 12 for 22 is not good, 131 is not good, no touchdowns is not good, interception not good. It was worse than that. Like, if you watched, his passes were horrible. They were hitting the ground before wide receivers. I mean, he was just completely off the mark. This was Houston. Like, you get to go to Cincinnati next week. Yeah, we talked about the fact that if you want to throw against Houston, you can, you just don't usually need to. He actually, for a chunk of this game, needed to and couldn't. So his number one target by a.

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Wide margin was Amari Cooper, and that is good, but obviously the targets have to improve going forward, which they will. But yeah, he who shall not be named. Or played. Kirk Cousins against the Jets. I thought that the Vikings were going to blow them out. It was looking that way. I think it was 20 to 3, and then they brought the comeback. I mean, if Braxton Berrios just catches. The perfectly thrown ball, the game. Huh? Not perfectly. No, I saw that play. It was a little behind him. Okay. He still should have caught it. It was a catchable. A very catchable ball that went right into his arms in a path that was so hard to get to. It had to be side-armed. And anyways, he caught it, but then he dropped it. And the Jets would have won that game. Or at least would have been up with a little bit of time left.

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And then... No, they had, what, two chances down in the red zone. Well, then they got the ball back again later and had to come back. But then they were struggling against the clock, had to throw deep. And that's when the second guaranteed interception happened. You got that call? Oh, gosh. Yeah. It was like the first play of the game and the last. Yeah. I will say this. But I was impressed overall in the fact that they fought and got... Yeah, Mike White did enough definitely to win this game, but there was one thing that was so upsetting. It was the first interception. It could have been a second interception like the next drive. He kept throwing these crossing routes, perfect read, perfect timing, and he just threw it just barely behind the player over and over and over. It's like...

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He just didn't correct it. And I was so frustrated because, you know, everything else was really good. But he's showing a lot of signs of, you know, being a very good draft pick at quarterback. All right. Running backs. I don't know what the snow situation was, but it was really bad. Derek Henry, 11 for 30. Over the last month, Derek Henry's longest carry in four games is 10 yards. Is that true? He has been sub three yards per carry in three of the past four games. And that fourth one was against Green Bay where he ran for 3.1. He got 28 carries. I guess he made up for it with the screen pass in that one game. Yes. Yeah, in the Green Bay game. And the throwing the touchdown also helped Derek that week. Yeah. But it's been a bad month outside of the Green Bay game. I'm not worried.

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The next three matchups, Jacksonville, Jaguars, Los Angeles, Chargers, Houston, Texans. That's not too bad. Chargers, Texans in the first two weeks of the fantasy playoffs. It's just weird to have that long of a stretch of Derek Henry's being really, really inefficient. The Gus bust, six for 12. Both running backs, which we highlighted the matchup was rough. I don't, you know, I think. Jeff Wilson was somebody that you kind of wanted to play. One, carry for three yards. Yeah, very bizarre. So weird. Rahim Moster, who had been dealing with the injury, who had been relegated to the backup role behind Jeff Wilson since the moment Jeff Wilson arrived was the clear starter. 61% of snaps for Rahim Moster, 37% of snaps for Jeff Wilson. Neither of them were relevant, but it was so...

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Shannon Hannigan. Daniel brought the Shane of Hannigan's over. Yeah, to be like, oh, you don't know who my running back is. Aaron Jones, he was on and off the field. Travis ETN had a fumble 13 for 54. Michael Tasty. I didn't say tasty. I think you might have said tasty. Wasn't tasty. Zero for zero. Zero targets. Unleash hasty, you cowards. I mean, this was. No hasty. We talked about this leading up to the week that Detroit has become a difficult matchup for running backs for fantasy. They've actually been very, very, very good and against great opponents like Sequin, like Travis E, TN. So it didn't work out. This next week is another brutal matchup for running backs against Tennessee. And you also had Jordan Mason getting the next snaps for San Francisco. It was not TDP. No, no. Ty Davis Price, not involved.

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Patterson, Cordero. He had like a run in the middle of the game where they used him, and then they weren't using him a lot. Didn't catch a pass. Antonio Gibson surprisingly was active for this game, but did nothing. That was kind of your dud list at running back at wide receiver. The Gibson part was weird because he was on the field. He got a decent amount of snaps. He just wasn't getting work. I mean, probably because of the injury. But just like, why are you putting him out there then? I don't know. Put Robinson out. That was weird. Jay and the Waddle got hurt. Just one catch for nine yards. Omari Cooper, nine targets, just four for 40. Sky Moore didn't catch a pass. And then Juju is just three for 35. They are working the ball around all over the place. In fact, it just seems like there's a lot more NBS involvement in the last couple weeks when teams blitz. Patrick Mahomes, he's taking deep shots to NBS.

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Brandon Ayuk, 5 for 46, Michael Pittman, just two for 16. Oh, this was so great. Our Pittman versus Paris Campbell water bet was the greatest thing that's ever happened. Now, reminder, we did say at the end of that heated argument, the answer is start neither. And that was the correct answer. But I was wrong. Paris Campbell had the better game slightly than Michael Pittman. But what was so ironic and awesome was it my matchup last night. It wasn't even my matchup, but I have a draft pick that was super affected. And I had to root for Paris Campbell last night to get six fantasy points. And he barely did. Thank you, Michael Pittman, for taking Diggs away and letting Campbell play. Yeah. And since week four, I believe.

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Paris Campbell's now more fancy points for a game than Michael Pittman. Both of them under 10 a game. Both of them just culture a disaster. Yeah, the offense is incapable of doing anything. George Pickens, this was one of those cardio days for George Pickens, which ironically, and never not working last week, because of his targets per route run, he was the one rookie that Jason highlighted as. risky business moving forward compared to the Garrett-Wilson's of the world, Olives. And this was exactly what can happen. Yeah, on Sunday live, we had a couple of George Pickens questions, and I quizzed Brooks as to the previous month where Pickens has been good, what his average receptions per game were, and it was two and a half. And he hit the under on that. So this is not an offense you really want to target. Deontze Johnson.

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Was that like his best game of the year in some ways? But it was still bad. You can't really rely on wide receivers getting it from a rookie quarterback. And then Zay Jones was a mirage. We talked about him being a potential trap here on the show last week, how we'd be trying to get Christian Kirk into lineups if we could, but he was expensive in DFS compared to Zay Jones. Early in the game, Zay Jones had a little slant route. would have been a touchdown, hit him in the hands, and just dropped it. Jacoby Myers, 3 for 22, Adam Thielen, two for 27, was definitely worried about Thielen in this game against the Jets. Travis Kelsey, four for 56, which, you know, wouldn't be the end of the world, but he fumbled and lost the ball. So really bad day for Kelsey, George Kittle, Dalton Shultz, T.J. Hockinson, all of your, like, tight-ins that you were, like, sure could be better than Noah Fant were bad.

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And then Gooses from Gisicki and Knox, Foster Mrow, three targets, one for 32. Yeah, 30 to 40. Always. Aim high. Aim for your D plus C minus average kids. Tyler Higby, two for 14. That's it for the duds. Yeah, I mean, that's it for the studs. The tight end duds, it's nice when it's everybody. Because then your opponent didn't really go off on you. the most realistic good tight-in that could have been played against you, Evan Ingram, and he had 30 yards. All right, that is going to do it for the days. Evan Caching. Whatever it was. It was Chiching. Oh, yeah, that's nice. Are you a, are you a Cotching or a Chuching? Give me a situation. Just your, that, when you on a Monopoeia. Like when you are a Chiching. Yeah, I am too. I'm a Chiching. I'm a Cutching. Are you? Cuching.

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Okay. I can do, I can pull off both methods, but I'm a cha-ching. Brooks, are you a ka-ching? I'm definitely a chiching. Okay. It's probably a majority. You're a ch-ching? Ch-ching. Ch-ching all the way. You're the only own Wilson here. Wow. Cachow. I just feel like ka-ching is what he would say. That'll do it for today's episode of the show. Big episode tomorrow. Waver Day. Good luck tonight. I know a lot of playoff matchups coming down to this Tampa Bay game. 40 points, Chris Godwin, you can do it. We'll talk to you then. Goodbye, everybody. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on join thefoot.com. And follow us on Twitter at theFF ballers.