Big Trades + Jason Reacts, Keenan Crumbles? - Fantasy Football Podcast for 3/19

Scoot to be back today, Foot Clan. We are going through all the free agency news that broke over the weekend and get my reactions to what happened last week, some crazy stuff. You don't want to miss a minute. Make sure you subscribe and enjoy. To the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in. Tuesday, March 19th, Jason Moore is back in the building. I'm happy to be here.

thrilled to be here, missed being here. We missed you. I know a lot of people wanted your reactions to truly some free agent madness. I mean, it was a busy year. Yeah. Still is. I have, well, I've caught back up on everything. I've, you know, stayed in tune every day. I was not just gone from the earth. No, you were there. You were tweeting about Justin Fields. Oh, yeah. And as of this moment, I don't know who plays where. No, it's impossible to tell. We don't know. Nobody here knows. We're just rooting. You just draft wide receiver one for the Falcons. That's what you do now. But no Mike today. Jake Gris filling in. But we have a lot to talk about. Got more news that broke over the weekend. I'm going to force Jason to share his, well, now contemplative thoughts on the things that have happened. I mean, we were just reacting. Mike and I were here last week, and it was just.

Boom, bam, like on the show live, I know you don't listen to the podcast. No, I would never. On the show live, Mike found out. The Derek Henry News. Yeah, the Derek Henry had signed with the team he wanted him to sign with. I did know that because where when the Derek Henry news broke, I was watching the Slack channel while you guys were recording the show. I'm like, oh, man, that's got to be a good moment. Oh, it was. Mike was very happy, very pleased. We had just got done. literally I went through every team in the NFL and whether or not, like I was trying to calm them down about potential destinations. And we just got through every team. And it happened right then. So, yeah, Derek Henry in Baltimore, just one of many huge news stories. Before we jump in, I want to remind you, Ultimate DraftKit.com. It's all updated the UDK Plus, the Dynasty Pass. Get in there, get the mobile app. I just updated Dynasty startup rankings this morning based on all the...

you know, news, we're never leaving it static. No, we were having some discussions, debates on where Kelsey fits in the dynasty tight end rankings, because that's a tough one. Because you know that, you know that the years, you know, it could be one more year. The most entertaining version of the where does Kelsey slide in and dynasty is the Kelsey versus Pitts. That to me has gone back and forth so many times over the years. I remember. when Pitts was coming out as a rookie offering Travis Kelsey and a one for Kyle Pitts. Rejected. And getting turned down. Thank goodness, because we won some championships with Kelsey. There's a good dynasty life cycle of tight ends article in the UDK Plus. You can check out all those resources for the draft kit at ultimate draft kit.com. You can follow us on Twitter slash X at the FF Ballers. Jason's at Jason FFL. I'm at Andy Holloway.

Mike is at FF Hitman. And you can subscribe and watch the show. And we'd appreciate it. If you click that bell, it'll let you know when we go live for special events. You won't miss any new episodes. That's YouTube.com slash the fantasy footballers. We do have a quick question of the day, Jason. Offseason trades question in a keeper league. Dustin in Tennessee wants to know. He says, I'm a commissioner of a keeper league. We keep up to three players each. That is our league of record. We keep three players. One of the guys in the league is asking if we can start doing offseason trades. I'm not sure how well that would work in a non-dynasty league. What do you all think about off-season trades in a keeper league? We do allow draft pick trades if that matters. Offseason trades are an awesome and important part of a keeper league to me. I think it's...

It's what makes it the best of both worlds because you get the off-season transactions and you also get in-season real transactions. Waiver wires are hot and all of that. But there are- Yeah, and a redraft-style draft. Yeah, there are, you know, some ways where there's nuance, though. For instance, I know some leagues will allow trades before the keeper picks are locked in. So essentially, whatever you've finished your roster with at the end of the year, you can be like, well, I'm going to make these trades so that I can make those keepers. I'm going to trade for a new keeper. That to me is dumb. I don't like that at all. You're out on that. I'm out. I think that how you end the year should be like, now you've got to select who your keepers are. Once those are locked in and you're like, okay, going forward in now 2024, my team starts with these three guys and these draft picks.

Now that everybody's team knows what they have going forward, trade away. Some of the most fun we've had has been off-season trades. The way we do it is how you said it. We have a keeper selection time of the year, which is generally after the NFL draft when the NFL draft is over because that informs which players are maybe worthy of being kept. As soon as the NFL drafts over, we lock in our keepers and trading is available. throughout the offseason leading up into the draft. And in the middle of the draft, there's often probably what, 10, 15 trades that happen in our league in the draft. Oh, yeah. I mean, they are such a nuisance for me having to put them, put them through. But yes, they're fun. Well, but half of them are your own nuisance. That's fair. You're causing your own problems. You know what? There's something easier about putting my own trade through the system. You don't say. Yeah.

All right, hopefully that helps. Let's jump into the news. News and notes from around the league. All right, I know because I've been reading the comments. I've read people's mentions on our posts on Twitter. They want to know what you think about some of these moves. So before we talk about things that just happened, which we will. We'll talk about Keenan Allen and everything else. I have to know just like initial quick reactions or thoughts on the biggest moves that we talked about last week, which I'll just throw a couple out there. Okay. You tell me what your reaction was and where you are now. Saquan, Barclay to Philly. I think that was fantastic. The fantasy value of Saquan probably to me is the highest of all the running backs of changed teams. Obviously, goal line vulturing is something he's going to have to deal with.

He does not get carries from the one, nor should he, when you have a 98% methodology of scoring a touchdown there. But he's finally on a high-powered offense. He's going to have, he should still score as many touchdowns as he was scored for the Giants. And with a good offensive line, a good quarterback, good weapons, I didn't see anything last year that made me believe Sequin is losing it. His efficiency numbers, I don't think we're... poor when factoring in the offensive line. So I'm in on Barclay to the Eagles. Mike's favorite move Derek Henry to Baltimore. Reason to be excited. Gus Edwards, 13 touchdowns last year. Yeah, it's almost, it's a little bit the opposite. The offensive line should be better, although Baltimore did lose some pieces in this free agency cycle on the line. I don't think he will be a full true workhorse back. I think that they will.

They will mix in multiple guys, but around the goal line, he should have a lot of touchdowns. Your former favorite, Austin Echler went to Washington. Oh. So you had, you know, like we have our famous trade that you rejected. Sequin Barclan Echler moving in this offseason. So. Yeah. Austin Echler to Washington, is this like the step before the Viking funeral here? Yeah, I think it is. I hope the best for you, Echler. You're an amazing, awesome, talented player and man, but I don't believe that your fantasy days are going to be good again. No confidence in Cliff to just figure that out. No rebirth from Cliff. I do have no confidence in Cliff. Nice. What about the Falcons rebirth in general? You brought up Kyle Pitts earlier. That's so fun. Kirk Cousins, Darnell Mooney. Rondale Moore? No. No, Rondell Moore.

It helps? No, no, no. Kyle helps Kirk? No, not really. Okay. I do like Darnel Mooney. Darnel Mooney is a good player. Rondell Moore, I've never been convinced as an actual good player. He's fast. He can break a play here or there. But Darnel Mooney, I think, is actually a very good player. But the real story is Drake London. You know, we've had so much time. Did you adjust him? Oh, yeah. Let's compare. You're saying where he is in the dynasty? Where is he on your dynasty startup rankings at wide receiver? Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. I bet he's higher for you than he is for me. Based on you saying that, I think I'm going to agree. He is in my top 12. Oh, he's at 10 for me. Oh, okay. All right. He's at 10. Where's he out for you? He is at 11. Okay. So we have them. I mean, that's. You were wrong. You were completely wrong. But Drake London's at 10. And he's 22 years old.

The talent that you've seen on the field has been outstanding. And over the last couple years, we've always been like, oh, what if this so-and-so could get a quarterback? What if this wide receiver could get a quarterback? It rarely happens. They always get new quarterbacks, but they're not good enough to actually, you know, change the outcome of the offense and of the yardage and touchdown opportunities. Kirk Cousins is absolutely good enough. Unless the Achilles is something he can't come back from, and I don't believe that. Then either does the 100 million they gave him. Exactly. It does not seem like, you know, the doctors are worried here. And it's not like he's a mobile quarterback that's losing what is his strength. His strength is mental processing and accuracy. So. Yeah, downfield throwing. What's the redraft? Like what's the finish? What's the ceiling for him? The ceiling for Drake London is probably like wide receiver three.

See, I'm between three and five. I believe that. I mean, his ADP is shot. It's gone. I mean, it's done. He's going to be the, he's the, so he was the wider zero 26 on Underdog. He's already up to wider receiver of 14. He will be this year's Garrett Wilson, where we had the excitement for what Garrett Wilson could be with Aaron Rogers, which we didn't get to see last year. It's true. Now, the question will be, where is this year's Garrett Wilson with Aaron Rogers coming back? Who do you have? hire Garrett Wilson or Drake London. You're talking about that. For a dynasty startup, right? Garrett Wilson. I have them ahead as well, but it is interesting because, you know, you've got a presume, I presume that you will have more years from Kirk Cousins than you will from Aaron Rogers. Ironically, both coming off of Achilles. All right. Calvin Ridley took the money to go to the Titans.

That was a bit of a shocker, right? We have Josh Jacobs at Green Bay, not a destination we expected. Yeah, I will be so out on Calvin Ridley. So out. Like, I'm not off my board. That out? Yeah, I'm definitely out on Calvin Redley. Did you happen to catch the press conference? Yes. I mean, why did you choose the Titans? You're talking to Tennessee at this point. Yeah. This is your. press conference of like, welcome, we paid you $92 million. Tell us why you chose us. Oh, well, I wanted to go back to Jacksonville, but the money was, I mean, it was like he skirted around it a little bit, but you, you could see right through it like he was a transparent window and you just go, oh, you only came here for the money and don't want to be here.

It was something to say he wanted to be with the Jags. He even included like something along the lines of like, well, you know, there's good teams. And teams that want to be good. Trying to be good. Yeah. I'm going to play for one trying to be good. Yeah. If I was a Titans fan, I'd be so upset watching that. All right. Let's jump into the news that we have not talked about yet. I know Kyle's on the microphone. Oh, man. So he must have broke down. started crying. The Chargers unloaded Keenan Allen to the Chicago Bears for a fourth round draft pick coming off a 108 for 1243 and 7 season in which he only played 13 games. If you remember, he didn't force him back at the end. So arguably his best season ever and heads to Chicago who is going to have a brand new quarterback. Caleb Williams will be the quarterback.

DJ Moore, Cole Komett, and now Keenan Allen, the offense. Kyle's mad at Greg Roman for shipping off all the weapons because they just want to run the football, but they should be happy that they shipped them off because they just want to run the ball. You don't want to play for Greg Roman as a wide receiver, but you also don't want to play for a rookie quarterback. Kyle should let us know where Keenan dropped in, or if he dropped in Underdog. I imagine he did. I'm guessing about three or four spots, but I don't think he's going to be crazy because I think people had already adjusted for Greg Roman and the injuries. Is wide receiver 27 where he is now, Kyle? That's where he's at right now. Okay. Do you know where he was a week or two ago? Wide receiver 23. Four spots. Okay. So in Chicago, is there hope there? We just watched C.J. Stroud turned two.

Top 15 performances out of Nico Collins and Tank Dell. Unexpected. Yeah, and that's what you're going to hear a lot. And it's all I got. True and it's fair because that did just happen. And Caleb Williams is coming in as a higher touted prospect than C.J. Stroud was. You have better weapons objectively. I don't care how good Tank Dell and Nico Collins were. Keenan Allen is a better wide receiver. You know, maybe not at the end of everyone's career, but certainly the DJ Moore and Keenan Allen are an unbelievable one-two punch here. So is there hope? Yes, because of, you know, you can point to other things working. That didn't sound like enthusiasm. It's not enthusiasm. I'm, I'll be betting against the success of the Chicago Bears water sweep record from a fantasy perspective.

You know, there's there you got Justin Herbert had a great rookie year. CJ Stroud had a great rookie year. They supported some good wide receivers. There's a lot more quarterback rookies that have played in the last decade than those two. And those are like the only two you can ever point to. So yes, this next, what Caleb Williams is supposed to be that guy. But so is Trevor Lawrence. So is a bunch of these players that get drafted. And usually rookie quarterbacks do not support. multiple or even a single top 36 wide receiver usually i mean what you your bad end of the spectrum would be like decline to the tune of what happened to allan robinson when he moved teams at the end of his career um keen is 31.8 years old final year of his contract we did a bunch of dirty math on the footcast episode just looking at target shares um this was before he was traded thinking about

Greg Roman and whether he could still have success there. There was going to be worries in Los Angeles about Greg Roman. I'm not sure my worries are any different under Caleb Williams here. I think they're both, they were both going to be a down tick for Keenan Allen. It's just a matter of will the age push him so far back into draft that he becomes a value? I don't think so. I mean, I see what you're saying, and he could. He's talented. But if you're staring down Keenan Allen in Chicago or... Debo, Samuel, San Francisco. No, there's no question it's Debo. What about George Pickens now in Pittsburgh, who has a chance with Russ? And is now, you know, with Deontay out of town. Mike Williams visiting that team, by the way. Man, as it stands right now, I think I'd go, I think I'd go George, Georgie Porgy. Cooper Cup.

Oh, easy Cooper Cup. I figured as much. All right. Quick break. Back with some more. All right. So Keenan Allen moving to Chicago. This will help Caleb Williams. I mean, talk about a friend to a quarterback. Keenan Allen always open, reliable, great hands underneath. And Caleb Williams will have every shot to succeed. Those are three. I'm including Colquette. Like those are three legit weapons to start your career. This is definitely much more what Houston had. versus what Bryce Young had to start their career last year. And so, and Caleb Williams, we'll see what he is. We'll see if it's Trevor Lawrence. We'll see if it's Patrick Mahomes. But this is not the only fallout for the Chargers. Mike Williams, goodbye. Austin Eckler, see you later. It's crazy. Keenan Allen, farewell. I mean, their depth chart right now, you know, they're running Quentin Johnston and Joshua Palmer out there. They're running Isaiah Spiller?

I mean, they'll be drafting a rookie running back. That is a 40% I bet my life on it. 40% of their wide receiver targets, 65% of their total targets are gone. They won't even need that percent though. That percent's coming off the total pass attempts. Right. It's a whole new world. And I think it's one that Chargers fans will enjoy and that fantasy football fans will not. It's why I, like it makes sense to me like they will have the chance at five. to draft a top-tier neighbors, Adunze situation. But will they do it? Or Bowers? Potentially. But will they do it? Or Bowers? In the sense that, like, there's been all the rumors of a team trading up, you know, the Vikings trading up to four for a quarterback. You could, you could in theory, have quarterback, quarterback, quarterback, quarterback go. And then Marvin Harrison Jr. is there.

I think one of the most fascinating things in this draft is whether or not they'll take a wide receiver because they have a desperate need for it. There will be a top tier wide receiver, which is a premium position. Blake Corham, number five pick. No, I just can't wait for him to draft a defensive line. They might. Yeah, they might. They might. But yeah, I would not. I'd be shocked if they didn't spend a later pick on a running back. And they brought in Gus Edwards, which to me, I shared this with Mike. It's very annoying. Gus Edwards is not good enough to be the guy and he's not bad enough to not be involved. Yeah, that's well said. All right. Justin Fields, Jason, you had a tweet. We had a debate, a live debate. Justin Fields was traded to the Steelers. Finally shipped out of Chicago, no more distraction. About three minutes after they got Russell Wilson. Yeah, a conditional 2025, sixth round pick.

will become a fourth round pick if Justin Fields plays more than 51% of the offensive snaps. Oh, my gosh. All the stuff that Chicago is trying to, they're trying harder than I've ever seen any team try to be like, we did this for Justin. They want everyone to know they are just, they're just being so good to Justin Fields. They want Caleb Williams to know how nice they'll be when they ship him out. Yeah, I mean, come on. You literally have it. Referring to a report that they said that they had higher draft compensation offered to them. However, they chose to give him a better shot than be a backup for a super established quarterback. Well, not only that, but I mean, it wasn't just that report. They've talked about doing right by Justin in this process the whole time. But I love that they trade him in a way that incentivizes that team to make sure he stays the backup.

Because if he doesn't stay the backup, it's going to cost you more. You're so nice to him. That's so kind, Chicago. It is actively in Chicago's interest for him not to play. He will play. He will be the backup. That's already been reported. This isn't, you know, he's coming in to even compete for the starting job. But he's going to play. And the reason he's going to play is because the starter is Russell Wilson. So I mean. It's just it's going to happen. And I will say this. I am happy for Fields to go to a franchise that Fields has some talent and he has major problems. The way that he takes sacks and holds on to the ball. Accuracy issues. Sometimes he makes a great throw. Sometimes he doesn't. I mean, he is. I mean, the NFL just showed you what they believe. Forget fantasy. This is.

Also, if I can just get on the soapbox for a second, this is the perfect, most perfect example we've ever had of why I think fantasy football scoring is broken for quarterbacks and should be changed. Because Justin Fields is not a great quarterback, but Justin Fields is a great fantasy quarterback and those two things shouldn't be the same. They should not, the great quarterbacks that you would want your team to play, that you would want a draft, that you would want to sign for extensions. Those are who should be scoring the most fancy points. They shouldn't be cheat codes. Yeah, it's just a cheat code. Like a cheat code tells you that that's not normal. Like, that's not how normal winning happens. Yeah, the entire NFL just lets you know that Justin Fields is worth a six-round pick. That maybe becomes a fourth. Yeah. I mean, credit to the Steelers who, you know, I didn't know what they were going to do this offseason.

I thought they might just sit on their hands again and, like, people talking about Mason Rudolph could come back and can he pick it? Like you did what you should have done. It was wonderful. Which was. They're a well-run franchise. That's why I'm happy Fields is there. Because I think if you can mold him and take the talents that he does have, the, you know, he's got some Trump cards there, athleticism, and he's got ability. He needs to be brought along, and maybe he can. It's just, it's hard because, you know, Big Ben was special. And then we don't have a proven track record of bringing anybody else along there in Pittsburgh under the current regime. But Russ will start. Fields, the backup. They reworked their entire quarterback room for very little money. They sent Kenny Pickett out the door traded to his hometown Eagles. The Eagles got Pickett and a fourth. Steelers get a third.

and then a couple of sevenths in 2025. Cardinals swapped Rondell Moore for Desmond Ritter. Everybody out there that said, what do you think of this move? I don't think about it at all. The Desmond Ritter, Rondell Moore? No, I choose not to think of that move. No. What move? Exactly. Yep. Yeah, that's how much I care. But we have a lot of quarterback turnover that's happened. Ten again, which is when I say again, Basically every year, there are at least 10 starters in week one who are not starters the next year. This year we got another 10, the last six years running. There's been at least 10. The average is 11.3 quarterbacks every season that started in week one the next year. Does it change any of your dynasty super flex? It should. It should make you less confident that Jimmy Garoppolo probably look like a pretty good player to have. That these middling guys, like obviously.

The value in a superflex of the top tier guys is monumental, which is why those first six, seven picks are always quarterback. Probably always should be quarterback. Patrick Mahomes isn't going anywhere. Josh Allen's not going anywhere until he's done. But when you've got all these other, and it's interesting in rookie picks too, including, you know, the guys this year. You look at... Kenny Pickett and Mack Jones and these young players, Sam Howell, who was a starter this whole year. It's like they're basically done. Maybe they'll play again. Maybe I'm sure they'll have more starts in their career when injuries to the starters happen. But like for fantasy superflex startups or even rookie drafts, the top of these drafts are so loaded with quarterbacks. And I think sometimes in those Superflex leagues, people are making a mistake to do that.

All those quarterbacks you talked about, they just entered there like Marcus Mario out of the backup phase. They entered their, you know, they're not going to be looked upon to be a starter. They may fill in from time to time. Sam Hal got traded to the Seahawks. I don't think we talked about that on the show, but it was the Seahawks got Sam Hale in a fourth and a sixth to the commanders for a third and a fifth. Hollywood Brown. One. Oh, where's the drop? Yeah, where's the drop? You want me to hit it? Oh, come on now. Yeah, come on out. Hollywood Brown, one year deal with the Kansas City Chiefs. Prove it. I wonder if that Hollywood drop was different than this one. Nope. I thought we had one in a cardinal uniform. We definitely had one. Were those years so bad that we just blocked, we're going back to Ravens uniform on the drop? Exactly. Okay. And now we need to update it again.

Yeah, they were bad, by the way. Do you care? I mean, obviously you care a little bit, right? Hollywood has been a fantasy producer. He's had a decent career. He's definitely been a relevant wide receiver. Do I care? I did not expect that question. Yes. I believe that Hollywood Brown is a pretty talented receiver. I'm not a fool, I'd think. I would mostly agree. I don't want to be drawn in under the Cadarius Tony and MBS and Skymore and Justin Watson. And look, we know that Mahomes can win without you if your name's not Travis Kelsey. But I'm curious. He's only 26 years old. I mean, one year shot in Kansas City. The Chiefs, if you listed episodes earlier this off season, they have not been.