Mock Draft Battle! Ballers vs Ducers - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/15

Great Scott! If my calculations are correct, you are listening to this before your fantasy football drafts have taken place. I've been to the future, and those that followed the advice from the fantasy footballer's ultimate draft kit had a spectacular season and with certain many victories. It's almost as if Biff had given each of them a copy of Grey Sports Almanac. I'd highly recommend heading over to www.W.W. Ultimate draft kit.com without any further delay. To the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in. Jason Moore, Mike Wright, Andy Holloway, the Fantasy Footballers podcast Thursday. It's here, baby. August 15th. Gotcha, suckers.

Got you good. I was going to say, like, the My Guys episode is one of the next two. And today we're doing a mock draft. Well, there was, I don't know if you followed, Andy. There was quite the hullabaloo on Twitter because both Jason and I were under the impression that my guys was today. Oh, you actually thought it was? Yeah, I genuinely thought. At the beginning of yesterday's episode, I thought it was. So we tweeted out, you know, every year we tweet out. giving people a chance to guess. You're like, what are our three my guys? I did the same thing. Yeah, but except you didn't read our tweets when we said, my guy's just tomorrow. Oh, you did. Yeah. And then I got a DM from Brooks being like, mid show yesterday saying, hey, the my guy shows. Hey, bro. Hey, bro. And I was like, whatever. I got to. I had my timer like.

To edit my tweet, I got it with like a minute left. So I changed mine to Friday. So mine was saying his was saying Thursday. And the people were absolutely bamboozled. Well, they are just on the edge of their seat. I am, I'm really disappointed that I didn't change all of our show titles for the entire week to mock draft with a question. Or I mean, sorry, my guys with a question mark in front of it. Is it today? It will be tomorrow. I tweeted the same thing. People guessing are my guys. And. You know, I gave a big hint about my my guys. Yeah, you basically gave yours away, bro. Did people get it? Some people got it, but they're not my my guys anymore. Oh, yeah, I did see you. You sent out a tweet of that you were changing things. I just said, you know, sources are telling me that some things may be moving and changing. And, you know, are you the source? I am the source. I am both sources. Is that allowed? You can be your own source. Can you put out and just like,

I've got sources telling me that this is happening, but actually you're the source the whole time? I think that happens a lot, Mike, from bad reporters. I just, look, some injuries. I didn't say it was a good source. Some injuries have taken place. Yeah. And, you know, I know that like big decisions in life, right? Like if you decide that you're going to get married and you decide this is the person I'm going to be with the rest of my life. And then your bride gets hurt right before the wedding. And you're like, I'm out. You're too frail. Pivot. Sometimes you pivot is what I, yeah, you get cold feet. Availability is an ability. I'm just saying, you're out. Get out of here, Tina. In the grand scheme of things, the my guy decision is so much bigger than you're like a marriage. Right. Is kind of my point. Yeah. So you just got to make sure you get it right. Yeah, because these ones are for life. Oh.

Any, any former my guys you wish you could, uh, annul the marriage. My wife's, there's been a few. You some exes. And you don't want no one to remember. Um, oh gosh. What? What was that? Is this true? No. Yeah, that's a true story. Dude, that's a, no, no, no, that's elite. No. Hey, look, you. This is true? So this is the worst podcast moment. We'll read it. I feel like I can't read it. Oh, I'll read it. Well, welcome Foot Clan to the fantasy footballers. If you're new, stick with us. We do get into fantasy football content. We try to do a great job at it. But sometimes we just have fun. And we're going to be going up head to head today in the mock draft against our stupid producers. Ballers v. Deucers. And one of them, the baby.

The Falcon taker. He is embarrassed. The dump truck is about to get exposed here in a way that you will enjoy. Mike, take it away. So I just found this out that at some time recently, Matt, aka the Falcon, aka Poopie Pants McGee, disclosed that he previously would, he would take a date to an escape room as a... That's a test to see how they, like, can they handle the pressure? Can they solve these puzzles? Because he wants an intellectual match. And if they can't escape, then they're out. That's brutal. You did not pass the test? Is that what the story is? No, it's like a wonderling for your date. They didn't pass the test. It's like a compatibility test, you know? Yeah. Oh, man. I totally get it, man.

And what happens then? What happens if you're the one who can't figure out the puzzles? They leave me? Yeah. All right. I like the idea that they're in two separate rooms. And if they don't both come out, I mean, whoever comes out first is just drives away. Oh, man. So, yeah, I'm also reacting to some very fresh news that we'll get into that's going to make tomorrow all the worse. Before we jump into, like the mock draft is going to be amazing today. It's been a while since the three of us got to combine on a team and we get to compete against the deuces and explain some of the process. And we're getting so close to regular real drafts. In fact, I'm in two drafts right now in not a league of record, but like some other leagues. So it's happening, which means we have like the most recent informational, middle of the preseason, ADP data to go off up. But, I mean, tomorrow's a big day for more than just the my guys.

Tomorrow afternoon, we will be bestowing. Yeah, a UDK for life will be given away tomorrow afternoon along with a signed Justin Jefferson jersey. So for the rest of your natural life, you could have championships, which seems like something great. It seems like something I'd want. And the winners will be chosen and announced live on the YouTube channel on the live stream. And to enter to win, you just have to. have purchased a UDK or UDK Plus before the live stream, which means if you bought it in the past, you're entered to win. We're super excited to be with you tomorrow afternoon on the live stream. And hop on the live stream with us. We're going to answer you. If you've got a question for your upcoming drafts, you want to get a direct line to us, hop in, see if you can get your question answered, and then see if you're the winner of the ultimate draft kit, which you will already be a winner.

if you're even in the contest because you will have an Ultimate Draft Kit. Two things. One, you go to Ultimate DraftKit.com to check that out. Two, I have, you know, we're busy. This is August. This is a busy time of year. And we've got, you know, Papa Josh and the Falcon, he handles, they handle some customer service questions that come through the support channel. I have jumped in here and there. And I did answer one question about whether you could be queth, the UDK. And what was the official answer? The answer I chose to give in that moment was that yes, if it is a written will with a feather pin. That's totally fair. You use a quill. Yeah, you have to use a quill and. And none of that built-in ink quill. Oh, no. That is not real. That's a dip. It's a dip. It's a dip in bequeath. Yeah. Okay. Official. Stamped. We still get to do this show? Yep. Are we good? Are we good, Al? We're doing good, man. All right. Let's jump into some news.

News and notes from around the league. Presented by USAA Insurance. Giants rookie Malik neighbors, full practice today. This is something I really wanted to see after the injury that he'd be back out on the field this week. In fact, there's a chance he plays in the preseason game. That is great news. Makes you really not concerned of a lingering long-term issue. So however you viewed him before the injury is. probably how you should view him going forward. But it's also worth reminding yourselves and ourselves what Mike brought up yesterday of how difficult it is for a top fantasy producer to come from a bottom offense. Lots to think about. Yeah. Lots of consideration. For whoever out there. He needs extreme volume, which I mean, all reports at a camp are that is what he is getting in joint practices and everything. So that's.

That's the hope is that his talent is so elite and he'll see a 28 plus percent target share. And if he gets that, then maybe things are okay. Yeah, man. Glad he's back out there. They also signed former running back of the Chargers, Josh Kelly. Yeah, it's probably, it's a camp body, I would imagine, because of Tracy's injury. Tracy's injury. And then Jamir Gibbs, what's the latest? We're hearing that he should be ready for week one. Despite the kind of wishy-washy. quote yesterday from Dan Campbell, the reports have gotten more positive. I don't view this as any different, to be honest. When I read the full reporting, it felt more like they were taking the quotes of, we think he's going to be fine to just say he should be ready by week one. So I'm still holding my breath. I was trying to remember when you were talking about neighbors and how bad the Giants were and just the fact that like they were, the Bengals when they drafted Chase were a four and 11 team.

or a foreign well that was also coming off the map didn't add up there but they were a bad team right but that was also the year was that when joe burrow was coming off of his ACL they no I think let me look that up it was it was just that the team changed from being one of the worst offensive teams very quickly and yes burrow was a piece of that puzzle too we don't have the burrow in New York Christian Kirk minor calf injury to Christian Kirk what do we think about that He's not a spring chicken. You don't like to see it. It's also been interesting in preseason. He hasn't necessarily been in two wide receiver sets. So I'm starting to get a little bit more worried about the like I have loved drafting Christian Kirk because of the perceived floor of just being like he is the clear cut number one target for an offense that, you know, I don't think it's going to be a, you know, a top five offense. But it should be.

It should be pretty good. It should be a top half offense. And if you've got a clear number one, latent drafts, but if he's not on the field and two wide receiver sets and he's dealing with a minor calf indra, I bumped him down a little bit. And on top of that, Andy Earboy, Brian Thomas Jr., like the drumbeat has been, it started off pretty rough for him, like all the reports, but in the last week to two weeks, it has really been escalating that he's starting to figure it out. He's making plays. He's making people look silly. So he was already in the spot of, I'm good taking a rookie wide receiver here, no matter what their situation is because the ADP is good. It's where they used to be. Late round picks. Yeah, the risk reward was usually a fantastic scenario. Now we got these other guys who are way up there. But Thomas isn't an area where I think you should get some exposure. Yeah, it seems similar to kind of a.

a cheaper Green Bay Packers situation where you've got like, I think Jaden Reed, the better wide receiver, but you worry about the ceiling versus Christian Watson, a complete unknown, but you go the athleticism, the traits, that one period where who scored touchdowns at will, that's like if you want to take the, you know, the rocket fuel chance, that's Brian Thomas Jr. All right, Matthew Stafford, you hate to see this because it, the fragility of the Rams fantasy prospects. It's always right in your face with Matthew Saford. And he did not finish practice. McVeigh said he was experiencing hamstring tightness. Wait, I thought it was his back. No, no, no, it was hamstring. Okay. And McVeigh just said, yeah, unfortunately it tightened up on him. You don't like to hear this just because the prospects of the entire, you know, cup, puka, Kyron. Mm-hmm.

Take, you know, if you take. It's a massive hit. I mean, if, if Stafford misses time, maybe later in the season when Jimmy Garoppolo comes back from suspension, okay, they've got a serviceable backup. As of right now, I believe it's Stetson Bennett. He was suspended for BEDs, right? Yeah. Oh, that guy. You don't get that handsome naturally. What happens when the drugs don't enhance your performance? They must be enhancing your looks. What about like neutral performance drugs? Are those legal? Yeah, those are vitamins. Honestly, I swore I saw something about back yesterday. Maybe I just quickly read through it. Back is way worse to me. Like, if Stafford has a back issue, then I'm going to, that'll be red flags. If it's a hamstring, I'm okay. I have not seen anything about a back. Doosers, if you can. No, no, no, it was, I read the thing directly from McVeigh. Yeah. Yeah, I'm saying when it initially came out, maybe, and again, maybe I just read. Probably is ready.

Probably just last night in your dreams. That's not good. No. J.J. McCarthy. Underwent a full meniscus repair out for the entire season. This stinks, man. For Vikings fans, for J.J. McCarthy. And J.J. McCarthy comes out looks awesome in his first preseason game. Yeah. He leaves that game, you know, to my knowledge, he wasn't injured. It was just, wow. I'm so happy with his performance. He looks great. He's going to take over for the sacrificial baby. even earlier than expected. And then all of a sudden, he's out for the season. It certainly changes things. Yeah, what's your take on Jefferson? And we got a lump Addison in here as well. It's just combo that news because he, right after the J.J. McCarthy news came out. News broke. Jordan Addison just went down trying to sky up for a ball. Ends up getting carted off.

And it's, holy crap, you know, you never want to hear card it off, but that has been turned into, it's just a minor ankle injury, but it's still an injury. So where are you at just overall with the Vikings office? Because this is big stuff happening. I would not be surprised if it is neutral to positive for the wide receiver crew, even though J.J. McCarthy looked great. He's still a rookie and rookies don't throw a lot of touchdowns. Now, I don't think Sam Donald's going to throw a lot of touchdowns. Yeah, I was going to say, let's just. bring it into the, like DJ Moore was not a weapon with Sam Darnold, right? Like, I mean, this is, I think we have, you can see it go either way. Like we have different views on this because you guys both kind of, of the opinion. And I like your point, Mike. You said this on a social post yesterday. You will have consistency. You will not have this period of the season, which is annoying where you're like, are they going to make the change? Are they not going to make the change? Like if you get some trends with Sam Darnock, at least you know that that's what you're going to continue to get,

But I don't like it. I personally think that JJ McCarthy is going to be a better higher ceiling opportunity for these players. Yeah, long term, I definitely agree with that. What we know, though, is at least last year, and Kevin O'Connell teams, they throw a lot. Even when Kirk Cousins went down and they had quarterbacks who were quality of backup to backup. Like these are third string guys out there taking starts for the Minnesota Vikings. They were still throwing a ton. So at least efficiency might struggle with Sam Darnold, but volume will be there. What do you got going here? Yeah, you know, something I probably should have looked into even earlier. But look, we're live here and we're doing it live. I didn't remember because we've had two years off from Sam Donald, who was a very highly drafted prospect and people have still believed in and they've said, you know, he's.

He's a good backup and he's going to be fine as a starter. He was the starter right now for the Vikings already. I forgot how bad he was. Here's his touchdown because I'm like, okay, rookies are going to come and what are they going to throw? Are they going to throw for 20 touchdowns and ruin your fantasy output? Here are Sam Donald's career passing touchdowns. Rookie year 17. Sophomore year, 19. Then the next two years, he was still the starter, didn't play the full seasons. I'm going to give you his 17-game pace, a full-season pace for those seasons. 12 and 13, full-season pace on passing touchdowns. Yeah. So, Andy, you're 100% right. Yeah, it's a concern. It's a real concern for me. Whether you throw the ball a lot, we saw Sam Hale. They threw the ball more than anybody in football. Did that make Terry McLaurin, Jehan Donson?

Those guys superweapons, and Sam Howell wasn't a super weapon fantasy either. I mean, volume, yes, Kevin O'Connell throws it a lot. But I want skill and talent. But this is what we've got. And depend. Yeah, no, it is now. But I would not be shocked at all if Minnesota, now that they know that McCarthy is out for the year, if we don't see a splashy veteran name, arrive on this team not named. Josh Dobbs. You can go out and sign Matt Ryan? Pea River back out of retirement. I don't know about those, but I think somebody in the... Matt Ryan. Somebody in the Winston and the... Oh, James. Go get him, baby. Oh, James. That's a great name. Don't forget Sam Donald saw ghosts on the field before. Get James out there, man.

Let a throw for 5K again. Let's do this. That I would be excited about. So look, I'm sorry, Vikings fans. Yeah. It has not been, it's not been great as of late. And it even further concerns me about Aaron Jones. Just from an offensive perspective, all the stuff you highlighted on the top 10 tips and tricks. Yeah, I mean, the Minnesota, when I was doing that study of looking at bottom 10 offenses, trying to project them anyways, it's, it's hard to not. put Minnesota in there. And that was before the J.J. McCarthy injury. They were like a fringe team where I didn't, like they could surprise. I think it would be middle of the pack, but bottom 10 is in their range of outcomes. All right. There's been a lot of news, a lot of little injuries. Also, Chuba Hubbard and Tyler Lockett, both dealing with injuries not considered to be serious, but pay attention to those. That was today's news and notes presented by USAA Insurance. Learn more at usa.com slash insurance. We are going to take a break and come back with a live deucers.

versus Ballers Mock Draft. All right. We're going to dive right into it. And a quick reminder on the other side of the break. We will be live in Los Angeles for our 10th anniversary Megalus show in less than two weeks. Tickets available at BallersLive.com. If you're in the area, if you're willing to drive to the area. Yes. I mean, Sleeper is presenting this show and they're doing this mock draft. Get out there. BallersLive.com. We want to see you. There you go. I want to give you the fantasy footballers mock draft. I mean, I put a period. It sounded like you put a period at the end of your sentence. It was a pump fake man. That's all me. It was a fake handoff. I was dropping back to pass and I got sacked. You did get sacked. It was unfair. I think you were going to say that you want to see them there. I was going to say I want to give them a fist pump. Okay. But, you know. That's a good, good toss in. Important. And one.

All right, we are diving into a live mock draft here on this show, taken on the deucers over there in Deucers Valley, who looked like they are super prepared. We've got the falcons smirking, owl with kind of an unsettled confidence. And then I think is that a scowl from Papa Josh? A scowl from the, oh, not from the owl. It's hard to tell over the shine. He actually doesn't know what's going on. We are. Jumping right in, it's a 12-team half-P-R mock draft. We're going to spread it out wide trips. We've got three wide outs, two running backs, one quarterback, one tight-in, one flex, four bench spots. And we randomly selected some spots. We ended up at four. The deucers at pick eight. Okay. Away we go. Tyree kale goes off the board first. I don't mind it. No, it makes a ton of sense, especially in three wide. CDLAM also makes sense at two.

Is Christian McCaffer going to drop to us? No. McCaffrey is off the board at three and we are on the clock at 104 and you know, you're going to have to reorient your mind. We are not enemies. We're not mortal enemies on this show. We're actually friends. We're friends. We need to draft a better team than the deucers. That's obvious. That's easy. Well, you know, just be careful. So obviously I think, I assume we all agree this is a three way decision, not between us, but between three players. You got Bijon and Brise at running back. And you got Jamar Chase at wide receiver, right? That's who we're looking at. Is there anyone else in the conversation here at 4? I'm always fine with somebody considering El Monra in the same conversation as Jamar Chase. But yeah, but we don't have to do that. Mike, where would you like to go? The, man, with the, there still is elite wide receivers on the board and having to play three, it changes things. But, man, playing hero running back here.

I think is the direction I would start this. I like playing hero running back. If you don't know what that is, hero running back is a version of zero running back where you do draft one of, if you get one of the studs, one of the heroes, which basically this year right now feels like only three options, Christian McCaffrey, Bijon and Breece, then you're going to go away from running back for a while, load up on wide receivers or even your onesie positions. I think that's a good strategy in a three wide. because, you know, you still need running backs, but it's tough. I mean, to me, I'm between, I like Bijon more than Brise, and I love Jamar Chase in a three wide. So if you don't want to have that strategy, we, I'm fine with Chase here. Mike and I are on the Breeze side. You're on the Bejan side, but we're all on the Chase side, I think. I don't know if it makes a difference. I'm looking at like.

you know, sleepers picks. They're week one lines. We got Jamar Chase at 83 and a half receiving yards. Bejohn at 71 rushing yards. Get off to a hot start. Does that sway you towards Chase? I mean, that doesn't, but I was, I was already swayed. I was pre-swayed. So we're chasing it? Yeah, we'll go chase. I love it. We'll go chase. Nope, nope. Tie goes to the runner. Jamar Chase at 104. So stupid. B. John Robinson goes off the board at 105 and then Jefferson and Amun Ra. I have seen Jefferson rising in just anecdotal. My participation in mocks and real drafts, I have seen Jefferson going up. He is brutal. I don't mean as a reaction to the Darnel News, just in general, even before that happened. He's the best wide receiver in football. Yeah, yeah, that's a good headline for it. And it's, I believe it's a bad pick. I really do. There's so, there.

I know that he is. When does he become a good pick? Like the one-two turn maybe? I guess really it's a matter of who he's going ahead of or behind. Like I would never take him personally ahead of Amon Ross St. Brown or A.J. Browns. Any of the Browns? None of them. Well, Hollywood. I would definitely take him ahead. So I guess I guess we can't do that. All right. The deucer's on the clock here. And I don't know who's going to be the like. the project leader. You know when you're in school and you got to do the project with the group, but then somebody has to present. Which one of the deucers is making this pick? We're going to start with me. Okay. We're hoping Alman Ra would fall, but he did not. He went right before us. We're going to go ahead and take Breece Hall right here. Yeah, you got an easy layup of a pick. That stinks. Are you going to have a way to kind of... Are you going to disclaim all of our picks? Yeah, that's going to say you're going to have a way to make all of their picks kind of like...

Invalid maybe? If I need to, but I think they're going to do it themselves. All right, Brees Hall off the board. It was an option for us. I think if we had gone running back, it would have been majority rules on Brees there. So you get them four picks later. AJ Brown goes next. Jamir Gibbs, Jonathan Taylor, Sequin Barkley, rounding out the first round. In fact, that is another trend I am noticing is the Saquan above Chiron situation. I'm seeing that a lot. Garrett Wilson. starting the second round Pookonakua, ETN, and then Marvin Harrison at 204 here. Okay. That is a deep cut. Going back to the NFL draft when our Arizona card was fresh for Marf drafted. I love you, Mark. And Mike exclaimed that he would never wear pants again. He was that excited. So not going back to the pants or what, you, you didn't get him.

I know. We didn't get him. No, I'm celebrating that the deucers did not get him. Fair enough. The deucers are back on the clock at 205. Breece Hall in the first round. What do we got going on? What's the thought process? Also, who are you drafting? The thought process is a lot of the guys we were looking at went off the board. So obviously, Kyron would be a great pick here, but we don't know that we want to double up on our Bs in a three wide receiver roster. So I think we're going to reach just a touch and go for Christopher Olave. Or is it Christian? Christian. Christian Olav. No, he drafted Christopher Olavé, who is a postman in Nebraska. You don't want to mess with the postman. Drake London goes next. So Breeze Hall and Chris Olive at your first two picks. Drake London. Drake London at 206, Derek Henry at 207, Kyron at 208.

Almost fell to 209. That would have been our layup pick if Kyran had fallen since we went wide receiver and grabbed Jamar. Kyran is still in that next tier of elites to me. I still think there's just one pick jumping off the page to me. We went chase. I thought we'd be okay. Now we're going to have a quick turn. We're going to come right back. But to me there's like there's one guy. I agree. That I believe should be drafted here. I agree. I know who Jason wants. I don't know who Andy wants to pick. Devon H. Oh, man. Okay. That is who I want. Yeah, that would be the pick for me. Now, just to give you a lay of the land at wide receiver, Devante Adams is still there. If Adams is there at 304, I think that would be a strong pick and a three wide in terms of value. Debo, Iyuk. Those guys are there. We've had a lot of whiteouts go off the board. Kyrim would have been a neat steal here.