Fantasy Football - Dynasty Pitfalls + Rookie Sleepers, Mix it Up! - Podcast for 5/15

Welcome to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the podcast. That's the fantasy footballers podcast. Don't be nasty. I'm your host today. I'm the captain now. It's Mike, the fantasy hitman Wright, with my best friend, Jason. Two best friends. Daddy's gone. Daddy's gone. Footland, we're going to do and talk about whatever we want today. Well, not, I mean, Dynasty. Well, that's what we want. I guess it is. Yeah. I want to talk about Dynasty today. And you know what? We just made a Dynasty trade. We sure did. And I was looking through this. And it's going to come into the show via one of the questions. Okay. So stand by. We will talk about our trade. It is Thursday, May 15th. Welcome in, everybody.

It is the second day. It's the final day of Dynasty Week, the fifth annual. Technically it is not. It is the final show of Dynasty Week. But Dynasty Week for the Dynasty Week giveaway will actually go through till our next show on Tuesday. So if you want to check that out at Foot Clan giveaway.com, you can enter to get that Nico Collins signed jersey. The Ultimate Draft Kit. We are 17 days away. from the official unveiling of the 2025 UDK, June 1st. It's hot. It's good, man. Our initial stat runs are completed. Our initial lists for sleepers, breakouts, bust values. Those things are completed. And you can check all of those things out on June 1st should you want to pick up the UDK, which is ultimate draft kit.com.

It is the lowest price. The price, because it's pre-order right now, it will go up on June 1st. So I suggest for something. Look, you're going to grab it. You're going to dominate your draft. Might as well save some cash right now. Yeah, save some kish while you're doing it, Ultimate draft kit.com. Before we get into the actual quick question, though, Jay, we must introduce the week. Welcome to Dynasty Week. Does a good intro. Oh, so yes. So the fearless leader, Andrew Holloway, he is off today. But don't worry. The cardboard bear extraordinaire, Jay Gris. He's back. Oh, my God. I forgot. I feel like Jay Gris has been hybridating for so long. I forgot. No one's missed a show in a while, but, you know, the sickness gets everybody sometimes. Andy's, Andy's down. So the quick question for today, look, it's Dynasty Week. Rookie fever. We all got it. Maybe that's what Andy's out with. Oh, yeah.

He's like rookie 105.5 degrees. I would go to the hospital for sure. For that. But if you remember Jason, he declared that he's probably a rebuilding team now. Oh, no. So he's going to have rookie picks. Yeah, he's going to have actual rookie fever. I've, I've gotten a few trade proposals. He's trying to cash some value, get those rookie picks so he can actually rebuild. But speaking about rookies for this year. Who is a later round rookie pick not getting talked about enough? Well, I will bring up Andy's answer first because he was prepared for the show. It's rookie tight end for the Jets. Mason Taylor. And I know you hate Mason Taylor. No, I hate it because look, we all have him, we all have him statted at a point that, yes, we need to be talking about Mason, no dog Taylor. You don't like.

that he is not a tackle breaker and he doesn't seem like he has that dog in him. It's not a question about it doesn't seem. Okay, so he doesn't, well, I'll just grant you no dog in that guy. Thank you. But you don't have to have the dog to get a bunch of targets. DNA test, 100% no dog. So, well, I mean, DNA test. I don't know about no dog in the DNA. He is the son of a Hall of Famer with plenty of dog in him. So maybe, maybe it's just a young pup in there. But Mason Taylor. drafted very high and finds himself. And I liked his tape a lot more than you did. You were so put off by the lack of dog. I just saw a pro ready going to be where he's supposed to be. I mean, he might be one of those like catch it and fall down type of guys, which is strange for this age. Yeah, but Zach Hertz can be relevant for fantasy. You could call it. Zachers has dog. I'll put that out there. You know, Tyler, I'll stop saying that. Tyler, Tyler Conklin is gone.

And that is a lot of targets. That's 72 targets, 51 receptions at the titan position that's gone. But it's not just him. Devante Adams is gone. There are, you know, it's Garrett Wilson and then question marks. So Mesa Taylor has an opportunity to come in and be good. We all have him projected for 70 plus targets, which is crazy high for a rookie and we did that independent of one another. So I think it's a name that that's a third round or even an undrafted sometimes rookie pick. That isn't talked about enough right now. Yeah. So right now, where it stands right now with the UDK and the stats, which by the way, if you're newer to the show, the ultimate draft kit, we update this to kickoff. So that's why when I said we're done with our initial run, it's because the initial run is done right now and that thing will stay alive, living and breathing throughout the off season as news updates.

But rookie tight ends who have had 70 or more targets with 50 or more receptions over the last decade, it's a very small list. It's Evan Engram. It's Kyle Pitts, Pat Fryer Muth. The Muth. Oh, man. Remember when the Muth got loose? Oh, he was Luth. What a year. Sam Leporta, Dalton Cuncade, and Brock Bauer. So it is a very small list. But I agree that he's in a situation where someone has to step up for this team. He could be a pro ready guy. Talking about Mason Taylor, but college career, he was a 10.1 yards per reception. That's the lowest rate for any tight end in this class. So you can make your own assumptions from that. Jason, who do you want to talk about? The player that I am bringing to the table is Jalen Milro, quarterback that got drafted to the Seattle Seahawks. This is a guy that isn't getting talked about a ton because he's not a starter. He doesn't have a job. Sam Darnold just got that.

money. He got paid. So they drafted him as a backup. But for fantasy football, this is a player who has a path ahead of him. Like, Sam Darnold is essentially on a one-year trial deal. They can move on pretty quickly. And Sam Darnold can go out there and, you know, take the bull by the horns, show that he's a great, you know, leveled up quarterback. And then Jalen Milrow is nothing. Or Sam Darnold can go out there. still play even pretty good and have a few games where he collapses and at the end of the season, kind of like what happened last year, and then all of a sudden it's not his job. Or Sam Donald could just go out there and suck. And then they go, well, let's see what we got in the rookie because Jalen Milrow is, I mean, 65 runs of 10 plus yards over the last two years. There were a lot of general managers and scouts during the, you know, the draft season talking about how Jalen Milrow might be the best, the best runner.

over the last several years. And we've had, you know, we've had great mobile quarterbacks, but this guy is a runner. And if you look at him as a passer, he's definitely more accomplished than Anthony Richardson. You know, Anthony Richardson's last year at Florida was 53% completion percentage. Jellon Milro at Bama, 64.3. And his, and, you know, the knock on him is he's not a great passer. But he's a great runner. He has a path towards, I think, finding starts. And if he gets the opportunity, He will be in fantasy lineups. Like if he, if it's like, oh, Darnel goes down for a week. Yeah, stream of the week will be Jalen Milro. Exactly. Because that rushing upside, you know he's going to get the ball in his hands, you know, and carry the ball a lot. So I think, you know, he goes undrafted in pretty much every single single quarterback dynasty league. And he should be rostered. Yeah, I agree. I think you should pick him up. And I want to talk about Bachel Tooting.

Are we good? Is this? I'm telling you, man. Are we really doing this? I don't know yet. But there is a chance that if this man has a 10 year career, I will do it every time. Like forever. I don't know yet. So Bay Shul. Smart. Smart. He was a round four picks. So it's a day three running back. Odds are already stacked against him. We just, we know that historically. If you're drafted on day three as a running back, your chance of ever turning into anything of fantasy relevance for us, it's very low. But of the guys who are being drafted later, he's in a position where things could change rapidly for him. Number one, just setting the table of who he is, 59206. Smaller. Like him a little bit bigger, but that's not the end. Like this is not a...

He's not 5-9-195. You're not looking like, oh man, Devon A-chan. He's way too small. And so Bachel is at a point where it's all right, but he's fast. A 4-3-2 at the Combine. There was a quote, I had never seen this question, but Kyle put it in. I like it. And he was asked, when was the last time you were not the fastest person on your team? Bachel said that's never happened. Which, I mean, that's just fun. He hit a production profile in terms of receptions. in college that we see from guys who turned into actual real fantasy players. And it's about where did he go? Well, he went to the Jaguars. Travis E.T.N. has seemingly fallen out of grace with at least the fantasy community. Oh, yeah. We all hate him. Last year, the product he was putting on the field was it was not great. We saw it turn into a much larger time share with Tank Bigsby. Tank Bigsby was the butt of like,

all jokes, and then Tank comes in and has actually a pretty good year. Not in the passing game. Tank Bigsby is exclusively a grinder, but what are they going to do with Travis ETN? Yeah, I mean, ETN last year for context here, ETN, they basically split him and Take Bigsby pretty much split the carries for the same team behind the same offensive line, and yards per carry is not everything, but Travis ETN was sitting down there at 3.7. Whereas Tank was at 4.6. The pass catching back was Travis ETN. And so if he's inefficient as a runner and slowing some things down and then they get tooting in, then I think there is a chance he takes over. I wasn't giving you enough options. He takes over some of the passing work, which will hurt ETN, but also gives the path for fantasy goodness. Yeah, there is a path where it's, it's Tank Bigsby.

And it's Tootin. Like that's who the runners are for, for Jacksonville. We just saw Liam Cohen. Now he wasn't the head coach, but we saw him with Bucky Irving, a day three running back say, no, what? He is the best player. Rashad White is ineffective. We can't keep giving him the volume over and over. We got to get someone with juice out there. So I've seen there, there's a chance that Tutin ends up becoming that player. I, in rookie drafts, I tend to shy away from the, at least with my first or my early seconds, I shy away from this type of a profile. But his in particular, because of the scenario around him, makes him very interesting. And I think worth taking in the second round. I agree with what you're saying, but I still wouldn't overdo it. No, no, no, no. I wouldn't take him over a day two wide receiver. Which I did not, so. Other than maybe Tesla. So the.

Yeah, Tesla. In ours, in our main dynasty league, I had two picks that were very close together. I think it was just Josh. I don't know if you remember, Josh, but in between where I went, I ended up with Pat Bryant and Kyle Williams. So Pat Bryant, third-rounded by the Broncos, Kyle Williams, third-rounded by the Patriots. And in between, Josh took Tutin. And... With, like, you know, after the draft, I was very happy about it. Now I kind of wish I would have gone Kyle Williams and Tutin. But, I mean, we'll definitely have to wait and see. We've got lower probability, I think, on all of those guys. But for a day three running back, he should definitely be on your radar. All right, let's move into some news. News and notes from around the league. Oh, yeah. They call him the king. So if you've been with the show.

For any amount of time, there was a moment last year where Derek Henry was a free agent. And I had done the, kind of the, a cardinal sin of dynasty of I traded for a really old running back because I was trying to make a championship run. And so I traded for Derek Henry. And then he had no job. And it was like, what is going on? And all the rumors were Baltimore was going to sign him. But it just, it kept stretching to a point where it became really uncomfortable. Or Dallas. And then he signed with Baltimore. And it was just fists pumped in the air for all dynasty managers with Derek Henry on the team. And we pumped the fists again as the running back to as the old man signed a two year contract extension.

It seems he will average more than 15 mil a year. 25 million fully guaranteed. So this is a legit two-year deal. This is so awesome. Most of the time when you see two-year deals for running backs, it's really a one-year deal. This is a two, Derek Henry will be there starting running back for two more years, which is at his age impossible. Yes. I mean, for Derek, for Derek, you don't bet against this guy. You don't do the age, the carry count. There aren't people like him. He's a one of one. No, no, there are not. There are not guys of his age changing teams and then finishing as the running back to him and watching him play. This was not, you know, my gripes always with Joe Mix and are like.

you're just, you're just getting the ball over and over and they have no one else. Like King Henry was getting the ball over and over and he was awesome. Yeah, I mean, if it wasn't for Sequin, I mean, I think people don't realize how good Derek Henry was last year because of Sequin. Like, Sequin was going to break the rushing record. You know, it was like, and then he wasn't given that opportunity. I mean. Derek Henry wasn't that far behind it. 1,921 yards. And I know we've talked a lot about the amount of carries that Saquan has received and the amount of yards. When you have a running back that goes over 1,500 yards, the next year, it is very rare for them to repeat that. It's really only happened once. It was Derek Henry. Yeah, I'll bet on him again. Yeah. I'll do it again. So this is just great news. And for our dynasty, I mean, goodness gracious, every single Derek Henry manager out there is just no pants.

If you're like, oh, I get at least two? Yeah. I get two tries with Derek Henry. That is incredible. I know I hit the news button, but that's really the only news. News we're going to cover. Yeah, that's fine. I know that John Morton, the Lions Office of Coordinators, call him for a, he says it's going to be a breakout year for Jameson Williams. I know Andy very much agrees with that. My projections for Jameson Williams were also very positive. I'm not, it's hard to. you know, put together the puzzle of, we're getting this, where we were getting all those rumors leaked out before the draft of Jameson Williams seems like one of the prime trade away candidates, obviously not traded, but so he'll be, he'll be difficult, but his profile is trending in a very positive direction. But the, like, the addition of, of Tesla, like, was this a, we're getting prepared?

To lose Jameson Williams, in the draft, that's what it felt like. I do not know what to do with Tesla. I don't either. He is the weirdest prospect, I think, in the last five years. Draft them with the last pick in the third round of your rookie drafts and let him sit there and see what happens. Yeah. So weird to have that kind of draft capital on a great team, that kind of athleticism. And there's like, but it, but. But is he good? It doesn't matter if he's not a good wide receiver. Yeah, it's weird because his dominance was, I don't know if it was a juco or just a, I don't know what the classification was before he moved to Arkansas, which then he moved and then, yeah, Hillsdale College. Thank you, Kyle. Hillsdale is that, that's in back to the future. And then go to, you transfer to an actual big boy school and do nothing. And you do nothing. I mean, you have a couple highlight plays, but.

really no production to speak of. So he's very difficult. We're going to hit a quick ad break and we will be back with the dynasty mailbag. It's dynasty time. It's mailbag time. Mailbag. It's dynasty. All right. If you like to ask us a question, you can visit the website. Click on the submitted question. We often put out calls on the social media as well asking for questions when we know we will be answering quite a few of them. Or we do have a voicemail hotline. You can call that at 302-464 TFFB. And we have one voicemail. We're going to answer that question right now. Hey, Val, this is Mikey from Manhattan. How do you differentiate between prospects that are similarly spotted in ADP looking at guys like Higgins, Beck, Kyle Williams, guys like that? How do you differentiate between them? Thanks. So the question, yeah, so similar feeling, you know, tiered.

Type of wide receivers. How do you end up ranking them in the specifics where Jaden Higgins, he was drafted by the Texans in the second. Jack Besh, who we all on this show in our Dynasty podcast universally loved. He was a second round pick. And then Kyle Williams, who went in the third, was not projected to go there. So, Jay, do you have a how are you looking at this type and then these three specifics? When you've got like similar archetypes, there are a handful of tiebreakers for me. I'm going to think, what did I think of the prospect? Like, did I hate one of them and love one of them? That's probably going to flip it first and foremost. Because whether I like the prospect or didn't like a prospect, a lot of times has to go with their production profile and their age and their films. So it's kind of those three things. When you look at these guys specifically, Jayden Higgins, Jack Bash, Kyle Williams,

They're 22.4 years old, 22.4 years old, and 22.8 years old. So there's no tiebreaker there. They all had similar draft capital. Obviously, Higgins and Besh were better draft capital. So they're going to be ahead of Kyle Williams here. And then the final thing comes down to like, well, what's the opportunity? What's the spot? What's the quarterback? And so if I look at those, I mean, Jaden Higgins, right when the draft was over, I was like, that was a great landing spot for him, but he's got, you know, Jalen Knoll. who I think... Well, went after him. Who went the next round. But I liked Noel as a prospect better coming in. So I was like, okay, two rookies coming in. I'm not even sure which one I like better. But then statting out the UDK and going and doing the work and looking at formations and stuff like that, it's like, okay, just lay it out. You got Nico Collins on one side.

The other side of the field is almost definitely going to be Jaden Higgins. Yes. And then you're going to have Jalen Knoll and Christian Kirk kind of fighting over that slot roll. And they'll all mix in and move over a little bit. It's not all black and white like that. But Jaden Higgins projects right now to be a day one full-time wide receiver not leaving the field very much for a young great quarterback. So I like Besh more as a like pre-NFL draft. prospect. I liked him better. But the opportunity in the landing spot for Higgins, I think I've flipped now. And I'll take Higgins ahead of Bess and Kyle Williams. Yeah, I like that talking through that process. Link me to a young quarterback who seems like Stroud will be the Texans quarterback until he's done playing. Gino is, you know, thankfully, Besh finds himself in a situation where now the Raiders have a quarterback.

Gino is a good quarterback. I won't hear otherwise. He's accurate. He's accurate. I mean, he's fine enough for D.K. Metcalf. He was fine enough for JSN. Supported, you know, a great season from Tyler Lockett. But he's also going to play at 35 years old this year. So what's their future plan? Their future plan is not Gino Smith. C.J. Stroud is their current and future plan. Yeah. So a couple quick notes for that. Jack Bash. On the opposite side of the field, it's Jacobi Myers, who is a very underrated. wide receiver and will be, uh, was he officially in our values for the UDK? Oh, we can't. Well, we can't. We got it. He is. You got to. He is. You got a tease. Yeah. He is. First one's free. Give a little, little taste. Uh, yeah. No, Jacobi Myers is is a value this year. But he's under his final year. Or he's on, he's playing under his final year. And so like, best could be the future of the wide receiver position for this. And then the, um,

The final thing I'll say about Kyle Williams, where... Rookie for the Patriots. Yeah, thank you. He ended up not being a huge reach for the New England Patriots based off of mock draft information, which they're like there, I've seen, you know, studies like a good friend of the show, JJ Zacharisen. He kind of turned me on to this of like looking at players who on, you know, mock drafts, which we're all pretty dumb when it comes to mock drafts. We're talking real NFL. But players who were being mocked at a certain area and then a team goes and gets that player, like they reach, they reach for that player. They're tooting? It is, it turns out bad. Generally speaking for those players, it's not a tremendous hit rate. But the Kyle Williams gap did close over the final month. So not as much of a reach. But yeah, I'm going to take draft capital of the second round and I'm going to take.

situation of jaden higgins for those three guys all right got another question here it says what are some common pitfalls that you see in dynasty leagues and drafts yeah so we in in the you know if you get the utica plus we do have a whole dynasty tips section in the dynasty pass um can't cover everything here but the number one tip that i would say to avoid the pitfall that i see happen is swinging the pendulum too far because it's a dynasty league and changing your, you know, like I only draft youth. Basically, I see managers that are, they go so young and so promise and so potential oriented that they never actually get it together. They never end up with a roster that can compete and win a championship. And then you see other people that are just like, I'm going to take all the value on the veterans and then they don't.

think about the age so it's really just the extremes on the outside if you're going to put together a good dynasty roster you need to have veterans and youth and and i think too often people think like i'm they they put themselves in a box you know they're like i am a rebuild or i am a i am a contender and so it's like i only want one piece but really in dynasty you just need to be going for value at any age, and then, you know, you want people that can perform now and perform in the future. And, you know, that's the one thing I think when I look at great rosters in Dynasty leagues. They always have a mixture. I'm always like, oh, they got this stud veteran, this stud veteran. Oh, they got that young guy and that young guy. And I look at all the bad teams. And they're just like, oh, but look at the youth. Oh, but look how my average age is 22 years old. Any day now. Right.

So it's like, you know, if I had to criticize one more than the other, I think it would be overdoing the youth. Okay. Caring too much about age and not about production. I liked the phrase of people put themselves in a box because I think people do that with who they want to trade for. And like dynasty can be tricky of you get caught up in a name. Like, oh man, I got to go get this player. instead of zooming out and saying, I need this type of a player. And being more open to, open to more players who fit into that mold. So you can go to more teams and figure out where does a trade actually make sense. Because you can, there'll be teams. Jay, you just told me, like I went to your team to try and make a trade. And it just.

We weren't compatible for what you were trying to do. I was looking to capitalize on Brees Hall's early success, still youth and name, and try to trade Brees Hall for a young running back and a pick or maybe one of the incoming rookies that I think might be better. And then I looked at your roster and you've got good running backs, but it's like I got ARP running backs. Yeah, you've got Christian McCaffrey and Derek Henry. It's like that doesn't. It's going to be great. It just didn't fit the what I was trying to achieve. Right. And so when you opening it, but that's like you have, you know what you're looking for. It's not a specific player. So when you get locked in, so if you had come to my team and you're like, I want this player because we're not as compatible with trading, one of us, either that we're just going to talk for hours and the trade is going to go nowhere or someone is going to end up paying more than they want to pay for that trade to go through. Whenever you're locked in on a guy, you're always going to overpay.

And sometimes every now and then that's okay. But you just got to know like I'm willing to overpay. I'm determined on that guy. Yeah. Sometimes you got to know you're in the box. Sometimes you got to swing. Yeah. And sometimes you swing and you get C.D. Lamb. The year he breaks out. Sometimes you swing and you get Crystal Lave from last year. I've done. I've done one of those things. Yeah. Not the OLAVe version. That's all right. I did it last year with Drake London. You did. I think you stole Drake London. Next question is from off of IG from Spencer Borchelt. What does it take to trade for a player like Jamar Chase and Dynasty? Thanos has your answer. I mean, what did it cost? Everything. I mean, you can't trade for Jamar Chase. Yeah. I, you know, it's funny because whenever I see a dynasty question of which side do you like and I see, you know, it's like, okay, Jamar Chase and then I'm like, done.