Tyreek Blockbuster Breakdown + Liar Liar, FA Updates! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 3/24

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Thursday, March 24th, the Fantasy Footballers podcast with more and more and more and more news. Fantasy football has fully infiltrated the NFL now. Yes. I mean, they, they, we are one. We are one group and they're like, dude, these trades are, these are fun. They have consulted my crazy uncle from my family league, uh, and made some transactions that only existed in fantasy football.

I hope that this is the new normal. And I know it's going to be so disappointing every future year that's not as just completely drunk as this year. But the craziness that has inspired us all this offseason, I just don't want it to ever go away. It's so much fun. This time of year is always about the draft. Like we're far enough away from the opening day of free agency where it's now we're looking forward. And this is just like.

insane. I love it. I don't even know what you're talking about. Well, you see. Does something happen? No, we have felt that way before the last handful of moves have happened. So hopefully that gives you some heart that in the future years, we'll be content with just a handful of these instead of every five minutes. I just remember how you feel right now.

Yeah, this is wild. Because you're going to feel this way in about three more days. So who's next? Well, we will talk about Tyree kale momentarily. A reminder, Ultimate DraftKit.com, get instant access to the Dynasty Pass. Just completed our second rookie mock draft draft draft draft draft. It's part of the UDK Plus. And you can do that at Ultimate draftkit.com. Lowest possible price. You get some gift cards, digital copy of our book.

and go check that out. You can find us on Twitter at the FF Bullers. Mike is at FF Hitman. Jason at Jason FFL. I'm at Andy Holloway. All right. Let's talk news. News and notes from around the league. Well, the Chiefs have traded wide receiver Tyreek Hill to the Miami Dolphins for five draft picks just days after Devante Adams. You know.

arguably two of the three best wideouts in the game. Yeah, Cooper Cup is next. Oh, gosh. He's gone. So Tyreek held to the dolphins. There were trade packages on the table for the chiefs from the dolphins and the Jets. It was up to Tyreek to select where he wanted to go. The team was not going to give him the extension he wanted. So here we are. And it was like a full escalation of.

like rapid proportions of this morning, you know, what we thought the wild news of today was going to be that we were going to talk about the show is that the chiefs were talking to Tyree Gill. They were talking about an extension and it felt like things were breaking down. And the chief said, well, you go ahead. See if the trade market is there for you. And that was just that little piece of news was, I mean, that was, would.

It's going to be plenty to satisfy my news need for the day. And it went from that tweet to, well, it looks like the Jets and the Dolphids are actually engaged in a very serious talk. That was about five minutes later. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like from that tweet to their serious talk to the, the trade has happened. It happened in the span of an hour or so. Okay. That was the anchorman. Yes, that escalated quickly.

I figured out we're not doing our news the right way. What we should be doing when we have a big piece of news to announce is we should have like five lead up tweets of the news developing before we do it. We have got to learn from the NFL. I love that. That's the way we should announce everything is start at the beginning. Yeah. Rumors have it. We may be doing a little UDK giveaway soon and then five minutes later.

Agent has reported. Yeah. So, yes, an announcement that an announcement is coming. That's right, Brooks. Tons of fantasy implications from this. I mean, we could probably talk for the entire show today just about this move because just like the Devante Adams leaving the Packers trade, you know, Tyree Kill has been a fantasy force for years. He's been connected to the Future Hall of Famer.

a playoff team, seven straight years with the Chiefs. And now Tyreek loses Patrick Mahomes, heads to a situation in Miami where, yeah, Miami has improved tremendously this offseason. But Tua is not Patrick Mahomes. So we were surprised to find out that they did pass the ball the eighth most last year. And they have a new head coach. But where do we begin? Do you want to begin with the Chiefs and the fallout there? Because Patrick Mahomes loses.

one of the best receivers in the game and somebody that more importantly for fantasy gives you game-breaking plays. A couple of Tyreek plays in a game defines the fantasy output not just for him but for Patrick Mahomes. I mean, you can start at the top, which is while this trade is extremely exciting, you know, the initial fantasy impact is almost everybody gets worse here. Mahomes hits a downgrade and they're, yes.

as of this recording, they haven't made a follow-up move, which they will. I don't know if they'll trade for a vet. They'll move up in the draft, whatever. They're going to ask. They're visiting with Marcos Valde's Cantling right now. They're going to do something. But just where we sit right now, Mahomes, like, I feel, I feel confident saying Josh Allen is the number one fantasy quarterback this year. And, and Tyree Kill.

What is his value with... You're saying until Diggs is traded. Sure. Oh, no, don't do that. Like, his value goes down a bit. You look at Tyree Kill moving. His value has to go down because he's no longer playing with Patrick Mahomes. And maybe Tua ends up being great. It doesn't matter. He won't be as great as Patrick Mahomes. And on top of that, while he's fighting for targets with Travis Kelsey, Jalen Waddle...

is literally a target machine. I mean, he was one of the most targeted wide receivers of football last year and proved that that is a winning strategy for the team, the feed Waddle targets. But his target share will go down. Andy, we're looking up some interesting numbers of the actual target share of these players. We're trying to find, we're trying to crack the code. How can we get Tyreek Hill's target share up without destroying Jalen Waddle? Yeah, and there's some.

I think some optimistic things you can look towards. One of them is that Devante Parker had a 22% target share when he played football last year. That is a monumental target share. Jaylon Waddles was very high, but you also had Gisicki and Smyth combined for a massive target share. Gisiki was 19%. Albert Wilson took some. We looked at Miles Gaskin and said, hey, with Chase Edmonds coming in, is there going to be a lot more targets going to the running back position? Not really.

I don't think. Gaskin was up at 11%. Chase Edmonds in Arizona was 13%. So I don't think that the running back position is going to siphon more targets away for that team. Although, again, it's going to come down to how does the offense change in that philosophy. So, you know, it seems safe to say Tyree Kill is going to get a 20 plus percent target share again in Miami. Absolutely. The touchdowns are probably going to come down from what they were in Kansas City. Yes, absolutely. And then Jalen Waddle is going to need to be.

He's going to have to be a volume guy in the slot, get a lot of those targets. He was on 120 target pace in the second half of the season, or I'm sorry, 120 reception pace in the second half of the season with Tua last year. So it's just a situation that we're going to have to see play out in Tyree Kill and Dynasty leagues, that connection with Patrick Mahomes that we expected to be there. It changes. And, you know, Jason, we did this game the other day about.

figuring out where you draft Avanti Adams in the scope of, okay, Cooper Cups up at the top and you were probably the lowest on where Devante was relative to maybe like an AJ Brown and Stefan Diggs. Yeah, and this is worse for Tyree Kill than I think that it is worse for Tyree Kill.

than it was for Devante Adams, because Devante Adams went to a place where, yes, there is Darren Waller, but I think Waddle is going to still be a very important piece, and you've got Parker right now in Gassiki. So there's more mouths to feed, even though he's going to be the clear one. I also think Derek Carr is better than Tua, but this will be a real opportunity. I mean, we're going to know as to a, does he have...

it in him to be great because everything is set up around him. They just signed the number one free agent of the offseason at left tackle to protect him. So he's set up for success, but I think it's bad news for Tyreek Hill. He's going to be someone that I'm... Are you taking Devante Adams ahead of Tyreek? I would, yes. Mike, are you? I would too. You would as well? Yeah. So could both of these players...

I mean, look, we have other situations. Joe Burrow in Cincinnati with T. Higgins and Jamar Chase. Is there the potential for Tyreek and Waddle to both be top 15 wide receivers this year? Because the panic that I saw on Twitter was far more Waddle-related. It was like, Waddle I do. Oh, hold that. Oh, really? Yeah, the computer liked that one. Oh, man. I was not expecting it to like it. No, I would have hit a.

I expected crickets, so go on. All right. What was the question? Can they both be top 15? Yes, they can both be top 15, but it really will come down to Tua. And when it comes to drafting Tua, he's going to be probably the most interesting piece because I think there's going to be a camp of people.

that have been believers in his talent, and now he has set up with a great receiving core that are talking about Tua is a top 10 fantasy option without a doubt. Tua or a car? I would take Tua over car. Better core, and car just is so immobile. Tua is not a runner. No, I know, but car has literally, my point in the lack of mobility with Derek Carr is we've seen him for a decade. He's never been a top 12 quarterback.

Not once, ever. So, yeah, I mean, obviously. Oh, you're saying mobility in his ranking? No, no, no. I was saying in his body and his legs, his ability. So he throws for plenty of yards, but he doesn't throw the touchdowns. We haven't seen from Tua yet what his cap on touchdowns is. You know, if, I agree with that argument. For 36 touchdowns, which isn't an outlandish number, I would be shocked. What if I reminded you that in.

His games played, Tua was averaging 1.2 passing touchdowns per game. Look, I have not been. And he had Waddle. I have not been a huge believer of Tua. And I don't think when I say that these guys can finish both top 15, we see it year after year after year. There are multiple teams with top 24 wide receivers together and multiple teams usually with top 12 wide receivers. So it can happen. It's just a matter of whether Tua is good enough. My analysis would say I don't think he's good enough.