Players We’re Embarrassed to Love + CeeDee Time! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 8/27

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. Tuesday, August 27th, the Fantasy Footballers Podcast, back in the building. Lots to talk about, but not a lot of voice left. Jason has, I might or might not have over screamed at the live show.

You always do this. Every live show we've ever had, you remind yourself mentally beforehand, don't destroy my voice running out on stage and then... I don't know how it happens, man. I mean, I literally, I'm backstage. We're about to go out. And I'm telling myself, I'm not going to do it this year. I'm not... And then I go out and I think I am being conscious of it. Like I... When I was out there, I have pictures of you that say otherwise. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's, I mean, it's a fact because I just, I black out. I scream hard and then I'm, and then I can't talk anymore. You did some things with the, um, T-shirt gun. He was firing. He was firing on all, I mean, you jumped and did a splits thing in the air, which I'm sure.

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Presented by NFL Sunday Ticket on YouTube TV. Well, I am excited to talk about all five of these names. We're jumping into the waiver wire before the season begins, looking at some undrafted gyms, as we like to call them. Or players you should be very aware of. Maybe they're drafted. Maybe they're drafted late. Maybe they're not. And we got some clarity in a few situations this weekend. which leads into some of these names. I'm going to start with a player that I have been propping up. Feels like by myself for a while, but Chuba Hubbard, the running back of the Carolina Panthers, who was the running. Excuse me, sir. Yeah, Mike, you've been, you've, you've, you've been at, it's really the, at worst neutral. It's, it's, it's been Mr. J. Brooks over here telling us how great of a draft pick this guy who's going to.

Not play at least four games is going to be sitting on your bench. It's true. Chuba Hubbard was not just the de facto accidental starter. He was the player that averaged over 13 fantasy points a game for a six weeks stretch to end the year last year with an offense that I think is going to be a little bit fixed in part due to Dave Canales, in part due to the addition of Deontay Johnson and Bryce Young looked very good this weekend. But Chuba Hubbard is the starter. And Jonathan Brooks, as Mike's alluded to, he's going to be on the PUP for at least four weeks. So Chuba Hubbard needs to be paid attention to in the same, in my opinion, in the exact same breath of the, you know, the Zach Moss conversations. Ooh, that's mighty high praise. I'd put him more in the Jerome Ford conversation of, but look, that six weeks. Sure. The six weeks stretch was great.

And he will have at least four weeks to be like that, just a supplemental running back for you. Should you go real heavy, wide receiver? Chuba will be there for you late in drafts to be that RB2 for four weeks as you try to figure out who's going to be permanent. Because Chuba is not a permanent solution. For your fantasy team? Right, for your fantasy team. I don't think for season long because Jonathan Brooks will come back eventually. The question for Brooks is, does he? Does he take over the volume or is he slowly worked in and it's a time share? That's what I mean by it's not permanent where once Brooks is back, it's going to be messy in a time share. Yeah, I don't mind at all, taking Chuba Hubbard at the end of your drafts or if you've already finished your draft swapping him out. Especially, I mean, we talk about if you went zero RB or if you don't have starting running backs because you were a little bit risky up top.

Chuba should be able to get off to a hot start. He is, Jerome Ford is the perfect comp because we got word that Nick Chubb is also on the PUP. Chuba Hubbard, like we give that six game sample, but if you actually look at the majority of this season, from week six on, he was on pace for over 1,000 yards, 90% of his passes. He can catch the football, seven touchdowns in that anemic offense. It was pretty good. It was over, it was double digits. That's how Mike had often described Jerome Ford. It was like, he's going to get you double digits.

It seems like that's on the table for Chuba Hubbard. We also got the release of Somaget-P-Rine in Denver, which means- The impending. Yeah, well, yeah, they're going to release him if they can't find a trade for nothing. Audrick Estime and Joliel McLaughlin. McLaughlin last year, 5.4 yards of carry, sixth best in missed tackles force per touch, and caught a bunch of passes. So McLaughlin and then Estimate is their fifth-round draft pick who they have confidence in. Both of those players are very interesting latent drafts. Yeah, I'm trying to ask myself, like, which one would I rather take the shot on with Somaget P. Ryan not being there? And I think I lean towards McLaughlin. I know, Mike, you are higher on Audric Estimate than I was, I think, that both Andy and I in the draft process. But I just look at Samajie, he caught 50 passes last year. Yeah. So there is, there's going to be room for a pass catching back. And even though Estime,

We'll have, you know, the goal line opportunity. He is always, like from day one, Sean Payton has talked about Estimae as, well, he's a first and second down back. He's their big bruising back, and they're going to use him, but I think I'm wanting to soak up the targets, you know, that are vacated here from Samadjap. Yeah, McLaughlin will have the standalone value where Estimay, he's probably just an insurance back for Giovante, which it's a. Look, the Denver Broncos offense is not inspiring for fantasy football, but the running backs, just the whole group of them. They're going to catch so many passes because that's what Sean Payton does. It looks like that's what Bo Nix is going to be perfectly fine moving forward with. So McLaughlin has standalone value where if Giovante should miss time, I think Estimate will be a real serious pickup.

And then one more name I want to bring up for sure is Isaiah likely, the Baltimore tight end. This is a team that has a great deal of need in the passing game for reliable weapons. Mark Andrews, we brought it up at the live show. He has started as the tight end two, three consecutive years through the first six weeks. The last two years, he has precipitously dropped. He's been outside the top 20 at the tight end position from week seven on over the last two years, which... You can blame on injury because that is a fair thing to blame it on, but it's still been a pattern. So Isaiah likely came in. Well, speaking of injury, I mean, right now, Mark Andrews is not on the field. The Baltimore Ravens play the first game of the NFL season. They have the least amount of time for him to get healthy. And this is one of those, like, if you were later in your drafts and you grabbed Pat Friermuth, or even if you're the guy that.

has, you know, David Ojooku or Ferguson. For me, if I'm that type of, I've got that tight end on my roster, I'm going to drop one of my dispensable last round picks, and I'm going to pick up Isaiah likely, because likely when Mark Andrews is out is awesome. And if I get to have that, look, it's stupid, it's silly, but we do this for fun. when the ball is kicked off. Right, right, right. I want players in that game. And if Mark Andrews isn't there and I can put Isaiah Likely into my lineup and watch and enjoy, I'm definitely doing that. It's more than fun. I mean, if Isaiah, like, if Andrews is out, I would rather play Isaiah Likely, I think for a couple weeks over probably over Ferguson. So, I mean, Mark Andrews, what is his consensus ranking on our website right now? I've got the tied in position. I haven't moved him yet.

No, we haven't moved him down. The news is just that he's still not practicing. So you two have them at number two. I haven't at five. You know, the question is where would, you know, if he was out for the year, where would Isaiah likely slide in? And I think he would be competitive with Dalton Kincaid for that spot. So, yeah, it's a good name to bring up ahead of that first week game. He was the tied in three from week 14 on last year when he got that opportunity, 56 yards a game. So. Pretty important, and he's still out today. So Mark Andrews is. I expect Andrews to play. But, you know, if Andrews is back on the field tomorrow, whatever, then drop likely and move forward with whatever tight end you had. But just hold on to him for now.

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That's good news. We can rest easy. We've got some time before the season, and C.D. Lamb will be back out there soaking up so many targets. I think it's worth noting as well that Jamar Chase, while not getting the money, he has been practicing. He's been on the field. Yeah, I mean, the worry to me with Lamb, Ayuk, and Chase has just been, are they going to be not necessarily out of shape? I don't think they can get out of shape. But, you know, like when you're not going full speed and then you snap your fingers and you're at game speed. Yeah. I worry about the hamstrings. Yeah. Some injuries. And then just what you wanted here, Mike, the Cowboys are hosting Delvin Cook for a visit, which, you know, you'd say, hey, that doesn't really impact a depth chart unless your depth chart already has Ezekiel Elliott and Rico Dowdell and unproven players at this stage of their careers. So.

If Dalvin Cook does sign a contract and factor into a very dumb, dumb committee, you're starting to feel like Baltimore a couple years ago. Could be. Where, you know, what was it? Devonta Freeman and Latavius Murray and Lev Bell were a trifecta for Baltimore. And they're just fighting their way through the season with that. It would, you know, some people like Royce Freeman, like who's involved in that offense. That's four names that are, you know, we're all. Draft picks 15 years ago. The Cowboys depth chart remains ambiguous. Even like if they have Dalvin Cook, this doesn't change my upside stance for Rico Suave. Like Delvin Cook has been available to NFL teams all year long. And this is like at the end of August here coming in right before the season starts, that's not the biggest threat. Like as I mean like.

It's not going to be Dalvin Cook. Here are some players to add to the list we mentioned earlier that will start the year on the PUP and missed at least four games. Nick Chubb, four-game PUP, at least, Jonathan Brooks, T.J. Hawkinson, and then Keaton Mitchell, who had a brief moment last year in Baltimore, and then a major injury. Tyler Higby had the major injury, and then Kendrick Bourne as well. in New England. So opportunities like New England is, they're a really interesting situation because it seems like Drake May is emerging as a favorite to start. And then Jalen Polk, who I think is very talented, seems like he's going to have an opportunity early with Kendrick Bourne on the shelf. And, you know, this is a team that let go of juju. So they're moving forward with the youth movement. They're only projected to win four games by Vegas. So, you know, if you're the Patriots and it's about experience,

It's interesting to see, you know, Jalen Polk to start the year. Yeah, I like Jalen Polk a lot. I was caping for him pretty hard during the rookie draft process. Yeah, it's going to take some time. You know, he has been playing with the twos. Like they're really making him earn it the Patriot way. So it could take a few weeks. But so I'm saying if you're drafting Polk, you're going to be. need to be patient. I think it might take a couple weeks. They have not named the starting quarterback though, right? Correct. I loved the quote from Drodmeo just recently of saying at the like he said quote, it's a true competition. And I would say at this current point, Drake has outplayed Jacoby, which at this current point is when you have to name a start. Like isn't that saying that?

Yeah, there's another headline that basically said, yeah, May has outplayed Jacoby, but other things factor in. I'm like, what factors in other than playing football? What also factors in is that their offensive line is bad. Like Jacobi Brissette, part of this discussion is Jacobi Brissette got dropped on his shoulder in a preseason game because the offensive line is so brutal. So there is, I think, something fair of. Don't put the number three pick out there to be the sacrificial baby for the New England Patriots. Let a veteran be out there, try and calm some things down before you get him in. But it's still up in the air. We mentioned the Broncos are expected to move on from Somagia P-Rine, but they're also expected to move on from wide receiver Tim Patrick. Fireball Jones. Weird. So wild because he had a great preseason.

He looked like the number two target. He had established himself, had a good connection even with Bo Nix. And then it's like, and we're done. I don't blame them in the sense that, you know, he's still got a bigger contract. He's not the future. This is a youthful rebuilding Broncos team. And if they could get something for Tim Patrick on the market, I would do that if I was the Broncos. I don't think they're going to get anything. I don't know that someone's going to trade for him, but it is a surprise. It is. And what else do we have going on? Marshaun Lloyd expected to be on IR to start the year with the hamstring. It has been, from the moment of the draft, every day it's a little worse for Marshaun Lloyd. Yeah. But they also have AJ Dillon, who was held out last week due to a stinger, who is the second role in the running back room, had that injury last year. And suddenly you're starting to talk about.

in deep leagues Emmanuel Wilson. Oh, yeah, we are. Because, you know, he's next man up, and he was 11 for 52 on the ground in the final preseason game. And you're talking about Josh Jacobs. I mean, one of the reasons I had been against Josh Jacobs is how adamant this coaching staff has always been that he employs a committee. Well, if you don't have other healthy backs, sometimes your hand is forced. Like Josh Jacobs. can start the year. He was a hot starter. We just talked about that on a recent show. And if he starts the year getting a large volume while they're waiting for these backs to come healthy for a great offense, like he might be. He might be real good. Real real good. He was the number one running back in all of football last year and percentage of his teams carries. So when you talk about capability to a workload, number one, teams are willing to give him everything. And he's,

able to handle everything. That's one of the big discussions. It's not today's not the day. But when you look at, you know, we look at the yards per carry and the efficiency on that team. But there should be some additional math done based on workhorse running backs. It's not a surprise that Julianne McLaughins at 5.4 a carry or Devon A. Chan's at 8 or. Well, that's a surprise. Eight's pretty high. Or Lamar Miller was at six before he became a workhorse. You know, there are, there's Nick Chubb and Jamal Charles, and then the rest of them don't really do that over 300 carries. And when you look and you say Josh Jacobs gets every carry of every down, of every situation on a team that had no offense, obviously the Packers, who have a great deal of trust in their team building, looked at Josh Jacobs and didn't go, well, let's just hyper focus on his efficiency numbers right there.

They didn't. They went out and gave him the bag to be hit the running back. And the confidence level is not in, wow, did he, you know, given when they're stacking the box against Aden O'Connell and he runs for one yard, it's all his fault. That's not how the team looks at it. And I think it'd be educational, I think, on some degree, to look at workhorse and, you know, just total carries, short yardage, goal line. If you score from the one, it's one a carry. Sure. Right. I mean, all those things factor in and he gets a ton of those opportunities too. So I'm not just speaking about Josh Jacobs. I'm speaking about anybody who gets massive workload and it looks like, I mean, Rashad White got everything for that team with a bad offensive line. The team has a different view than we do on that number. I'm just bringing that up. Chief signed juju bringing him back. He knows the offense. They do this all the time. They bring back guys that, you know, McCall Hardman came back.

Mike Williams returning to team drills. And we had Jemir Gibbs back at practice, Leporta back at practice, Njoku back to practice. And the only one that wasn't Mike, Jalen Waddle, who was, he was seen. He's a non-contact jersey. You couldn't miss him. He's at practice. You couldn't miss him because he's wearing a bright red jersey that says, don't hit me. What? Here's a, yeah, he has a. What is happening? That's red. The panic alarm is red too. What do you mean what's happening? This is Jaylon Waddle's entire career. Oh, it is not his entire career. I don't know if you noticed half the games last year. He actually wore the red non-contact jersey out onto the field on accident. Yeah, that would be awesome. That would be awesome. No, you can't touch me. Yeah, I mean, having had the Waddle experience all year last year, he doesn't miss the games, but he misses.

parts of all the games. Last year. He played 16 games as a rookie. He played the entire season the next year. Two out of three years. I'm just talking about two out of three plays. I'm not talking about the game. You know it. You why he goes out injured every fourth play. Last year. Last year that did happen. But I'm saying more of what is happening of like knee soreness, back soreness, concussion. You know, it's undisclosed. It was an undisclosed injury. And it's like. Where are the beat reporters out of Miami when this is like really starting to take off? Like there's, it was just whispers. You know, it's not. If the superstar wide receiver on any other team is missing that much practice, I feel like reporters should be able to be saying very loud, hey, guys, he's not here. They're used to it. They're too used to it. They're like, this is not news. Look, I've had the same experience. It was very, very frustrating. And some players for some reason.

They just get banged up. I hope that's not the case. I hope that's not his story moving forward. Feels like, you know, we need some long stretch of healthy games. All right. That was today's news and notes presented by USAA Insurance. Learn more at usa.com. We'll take a break. We're coming back with a brand new segment, boys. It's going to be fun. All right. We are, I feel like we almost had a consensus. level of embarrassment moving Josh Jacobs higher and higher in our rankings as things work in his direction. He was a player that didn't get a lot of love from this show early on. But we are talking about players that we might not want to admit that we're kind of into this year. Players, we're embarrassed to love. Andy, why don't you start us off with Tank Bigsby? That's not one of them. Sorry. Did you or did you not?

just this morning draft Tank Bigsby. I did draft Tank Bigsby. It was, let's go ahead and qualify that really quickly. No, no, no, no. Let me see what round. No, no, no, let me see what round. No, we'll start it because he's on my list, Jason. Oh, okay. Maybe you should read the show doc and see what's about to happen. So he was a 15th round pick for me. It was the right place. So Mike, go ahead and stuff. Yes. I will start with. Because look, watching Tank Biggsby play on an NFL field last year. was embarrassing to all people who believed in him. It was embarrassing. Mr. and Mrs. Bigsby were also embarrassed? Yes. Anyone who was associated with Tank Biggsby last year watched what happened and it was awful. It was the second lowest rush success rate amongst the rookie running backs. He caught one of his four targets. All of them were caught though. He was not. He turned many of them into interceptions somehow.

But for me, for Tank Bigsby, it's going back to what I believed in him about when he was a collegiate prospect, collegiate prospect. And he has looked much, much better in this preseason. And I will jump in before anyone else says it. Because yeah, he looked pretty good last preseason. 5.7 a carry last preseason. He was excellent. 97 of 105 rushing yards were gained after contact. That's per Jacob Gibbs. For me about Tank Bigsby, it comes down to, again, I thought he could be a good player coming into the league. The Jacksonville Jaguars also thought he could be a good player coming into the league, spending day two capital on him and just saying over and over and over, we don't want Travis ETN to have to be this player. He has had to be that guy for them. They don't.

want that to be the case and looking at the rest of the roster. If anyone is going to be the player that can actually spell Travis Etyn, it has to be Tank Bigsby. I don't know if he can do it. It's embarrassing that I have to keep talking about him. Super embarrassing. But I like him. And I think that he could be a huge reason why Travis E.T.N is not the, it doesn't come through. with his 80. What does that mean for drafting Tank Biggsby? Like Andy just took him in the 15th round of a best ball. That's fine. You're drafting the insurance running backs who, you know, if they get a week or two later in the season, then they hit. What are you doing in redraft leagues with Tank Bigsby? Tank Bigsby is only an insurance draft pick. Blake Corum or Tank Biggsby in a draft? Okay. Blake Corum. This is both, honestly, both of my players that I'm embarrassed that I am into their

their opportunity this year. It's more about what does it negatively do to the other player? What is your second player? You know, it's Bucky Irving of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He was drafted in the fourth round. There's, you know, Bucky Irving, oh, he's too small. He's actually like the same size as James Cook, maybe even a little bit thicker than James Cook. And he excels at pass catching, 56 receptions, his final year at Oregon. I think that he, that if Rashad White doesn't come through, it's because of Tank Biggsby, 58% of his runs. You mean, Bucky Irving? Sorry, thank you. Bucking Irving. 58% of his runs this preseason have gone for five or more yards. Like this guy has gotten it done, not in our news because it's embarrassing to mention news. Chase Edmonds, the perceived.