Fantasy Football Podcast 2017 - NFL Draft Review Pt 2: NFC Winners & Losers

That's a pass catcher. Truly. So you're just like, what is going on with the Green Bay running back? We need to move. We need to move on. Never. Jason, you have something profound and life changing to say? I do. I want to say that to me, the Green Bay Packers running back situation, I know a lot of people are targeting Jamal Williams. This is one I want to avoid because.

I think all three of those guys, Aaron Jones, Jamal Williams, and Ty Montgomery can get the job done and will be involved. It's a donner party situation. Zero wide receivers drafted by the Packers, a little butt tap for Devante Adams and company there. The Vikings, the Vikings surprised a lot of people. They dominated the seventh round. They dominated the seventh round. They moved up, wow, four picks in the seventh. They traded up.

surprised a lot of people, including the Philadelphia Eagles. They drafted and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, in my opinion. Dalvin Cook, they made him the ninth pick of the second round. He had fallen far enough. The Vikings traded up to grab him. It's interesting that the pick that they ended up trading ended up being Joe Mixon. Yeah, it's very interesting. And then they lost the fourth round wide receiver, Josh Malone. Well, I mean, obviously they could have drafted anybody. But Dalvin Cook steps into Minnesota.

typically a bad offensive line situation. Now they did invest a third round pick and a center, but last year it was trouble for the... That's taking it easy on him. Yeah, it is. Dalvin Cook doesn't necessarily, you know, he's not necessarily between the tackles all day long. He can do other things. He can be a bigger part of this offense. Latavius Murray is a loser. Yes, Latavius Murray is the quintessential.

Volume is king for fantasy football. I thought you were going to say the quintessential loser. I thought you were going to go harsh. No, but Latavius Murray, who in Oakland behind a spectacular offensive line, could only plod his way to fantasy value, which, I mean, he did. He's got touchdowns. I'm not going to take it away from him a lot of touchdowns, but now you have a guy that they spent high draft capital moved up to get him as a Latavius Murray, Murray owner.

Not happy. Not happy at all. I went out and I projected Latavius Murray, and I'm talking, you've got incremental increases on Matt Ozziata's numbers. You've got the guarantee to be, you should be in there around the goal line. You didn't pay him an off-season contract. But now he's coming off of surgery. I mean, I just don't see a high ceiling for Latavis Murray. I don't either. Especially when he made his, he made it up last year on these little pass catches. And Dalton Cook's going to eat those up with a spoon. And McKinnon is still there.

Latavius Murray's contract was very front-loaded, so if they want to, they can move on from him next season. Now, for fantasy drafts, if Latavius-Murie happens to be falling to an appropriate spot for me, you know, seventh, eighth round, I'll still take the shot on him, but it's, it sucks. You won't at all? No, no, no. Okay. No, I won't. But if you said 17th, I would say yes.

17 pick overall. I mean, he was looking like a fourth round running back. Yeah. I traded for him because I thought, hey, look, there's a baseline there being the guy paid out of the backfield. Now it's all gone down the toilet. I mean, biggest loser of the draft, he's got to be in the top five. Yeah, I completely agree. All right. We got to move on to the NFC South. We have not forgotten about you. James Winston, live from his house. I mean, are you kidding me?

They said, hey, D. Jacks, Evans. I always thought Humphrey was just fine. And you bring O.J. Howard in, who, look, the pick to me would have been Dalvin Cook if Howard hadn't dropped all the way down to 19. I can't believe he fell to 19. He was so close to getting to my pick there at, what, 25? It wasn't going to happen. Chris Godwin in the third round. Another great pick. Reception Perception loved. Matt Harmon's favorite, I mean, just an absolute metric beast.

And he got, you took a... And McNichols. Yeah, I love Jeremy McNichols. Yeah, great pick. It's very unfortunate that he was a fifth round pick. I mean, so it's an uphill climb, very overly crowded backfield with Doug Martin, who they keep... Assuming they keep him. Why? They keep talking of Doug Martin, which maybe a lot of people are saying that's positive. It's bizarre to me that...

A guy you gave a ton of money, you're like, no, no, no, fan base. He's, he looks great. He's in the best shape of his life. He's the best player in camp. You know, we were looking at this the other day, and it's just funny perception-wise that when you look at Ja-Quiz Rogers and Doug Martin, Doug Martin is older than Ja-Quiz. I couldn't believe it. It's just one of those, like, Ja-Quiz seems like this journeyman, been around for a while. If AARP was going to let one of the two in, it would have been Jaquiz. Yeah, no.

So I agree McNichols. If Martin leaves, then McNichols' opportunity is great. It's a good pass. Well, Charles Sims is still there too. So, I mean, he is buried, but I think long term that Jeremy McNichols has the talent to make. To have an APEC. I mean, he had 40 plus receptions last year. Doug Martin's a big winner to me. They didn't draft Alvin Cook. They didn't spin early capital.

McNichols will compete. He's not going to compete for what Martin, and Martin, all the reports about Martin is that he's the most impressive player right now in workouts. It's weird. Look. It's weird because what they're doing right now is mostly just working out. This is fair? Yeah, but what you needed to see from Doug Martin was, is this a guy committed to coming back and playing football? Sure. Or is this a guy that we thought was on the borderline of being cut? Yeah, I know you have. He's on that.

You went through your running backs and you have Doug Martin very high for, you know. I'll tell you exactly where I have him. I got Doug Martin in number 15 overall in a standard in a standard league. Suspension. 14 in a half point and that is with a three game suspension considered. So I do like Doug Martin. I tried to make trades for him today in our dynasty league. I tried to move that Latavius Murray fellow and some other pieces to get Doug Martin and it didn't happen. It's too bad I don't have him because I would have gladly traded him to you. Yeah.

I know. We have our guys. The Atlanta Falcons will be quick through them because there just wasn't a lot of moves that made impacts here. Not on the offense. No. You had a fifth round running back in Brian Hill from Wyoming picked and a fifth round tight end. But guys, I don't want to linger here if there's nothing to talk about winner and loser-wise. Nope. Everyone who was there, you win. Yep. Welcome to the new Carolina Panthers offense. Christian McCaffrey and Curtis Samuel. Welcome to the club.

Christian McCaffrey apparently my take about him being drafted in the top 10 was not bold whatsoever. I do realize that now. That wasn't the case in earlier mock draft. No, early on, he was one of the biggest risers over the few months leading up to the draft, especially after the combine. He was so, so good at the combine. And, you know, look, you've seen a couple worries out there that Carolina.

does not throw the ball to the running back position. I have those numbers if you want. Their volume is low. And you can get to those numbers in a second. But my belief is that that's going to change. They don't draft Curtis Samuel and Christian McCaffrey and talk about how much the offense needs to evolve unless they are going to change what their offense is. They have a lot of turnover here on the offensive side of the ball.

You got Ted Ginn has gone, new weapons in fast speed. I mean, they are looking like a different offense. My worry is not with the volume of the offense because I do think it changes. My worry is can Cam Newton be a good quarterback at actually passing touch passes to the running back position? That's my worry with Christian McCaffrey. I do not have anywhere. I think it's far too broad sweeping in just a story of stories to have a problem.

with Christian McCaffrey and Carolina. When Fuzzy Whitaker had to be the lead back, guess what? He caught nine passes, and then he caught five passes. It's not, Christian McCaffey's great. You didn't have pieces there. Obviously, Jonathan Stewart was not going to be featured in that way, and so they didn't feature. Yeah, and so for those targets, you have at least Cam's rookie year, Jonathan Stewart, had 47 receptions, but basically every year since then, the running back has been targeted.

Less and less. You're talking a 13% market share of the targets and 18% is middle of the packs. I mean, they're way towards the bottom. And then you have another very concerning thing. Pat Thorman, my man from Pro Football Focus, tweeted out this graph. That's great. Here is pass a rating of quarterbacks when they're throwing five yards or less. Those passes to Christian McCaffrey. It is comical.

how bad Cam Newton was last year. You're talking a sub-60 passerating, worse than got to look at the chart. You've got to look at the chart. It's extremely funny how bad he was. And I'm with Andy. I'm not off of McCaffrey. I think he's an incredibly talented guy, but it's just strange. It's a unique situation of a team that was in the Super Bowl two years ago, and now they're saying,

They're revamping their offense. They're blowing it up and saying we are changing what the offense looks like. Well, here's a couple things to keep in mind. And I need your guys' perspective on something that I have not heard talked about nearly enough. But before that, you've talked about Cam Newton and the fact that, look, he's at the point in his career where the rushing yards are going to have to come down to keep him healthy. Now you add this piece at the running back position. Jonathan Stewart's still there. You got a slot receiver that can be your quicks.

instead of his legs. But what happens to Jonathan Stewart? Nobody talked, I mean, I think everybody sat there this offseason with a grimace about Jonathan Stewart. Now you draft Christian McCaffrey. I mean, what? Is Jonathan Stewart just going to plummet down to the bottom of the ADP charts? Yes, and that's why I will probably have, I will probably have plenty of.

shares of Jonathan Stewart. I think people are going to overreact. Christian McCaffrey is not a guy that's going to come in and get 250 carries. That's not what they're bringing him in to do. They're bringing him into, like we said, change that offense, get speed, get, you know, receptions out of the backfield, all of that. Jonathan Stewart will have goal. Through the air even. Jonathan Stewart will have goal line opportunities. He will have.

I think 150 plus rushing attempts. This is a team that runs the ball, and I know they're changing it up, but they're not just going to all of a sudden become a Drew Breeze-style offense. And so I think no one is going to want to draft Jonathan Stewart. I think he plummets in ADP, and that's a guy that you're going to get eighth round or later. And if you're telling me, I have to draft in the eighth round.

Jonathan Stewart or Latavius Murray. I'm without a doubt. Those are the two I was about to ask you about. Because when Jonathan Stewart looks in the mirror, he sees Latavius Murray. I got to tell you. During your thing. Oh, I know. Oh, you know? What happened? I saw. So I got Andy.

Oh, no, I did not know. So I've been drinking my water, which my water. Oh, yes. So I have my cup full of water. So it was completely regular. And as I get towards the bottom, I'm starting to get a hint of chocolate. And I'm like, this is actually, this is delightful. And I thought it was remnants from a coffee from a, from a chocolate coffee only to have just gazed down. And, and I have been almonded. You got jasoned because.

Andy almond me a couple months ago, and then he tried again today. It's very good. If you have a chocolate water, it's great. If you have a friend, put an almond in their drink. When they're not looking. When they're not looking. We're going to close this one out with the New Orleans Saints. The big story here is the biggest loser of the draft. Maybe the biggest loser of the offseason in a lot of ways. Mark Ingram.

Whoa is Mark Ingram. Alvin Kamara drafted in the third round after Adrian Peterson was paid this offseason. A trade up to grab Alvin Kamara 510, 214, a guy that can catch passes. And then you have Adrian Peterson, a guy who can run it in from the goal line. And so Mark Ingram's left there with a shrug and the middle finger from John Payton. So what do we do now? You kind of saw this layout back in the day when it was Darren Sprouls and Pierre Thomas.

and Mark Ingram. And so Mark Ingram is going to play his role that he played. He wasn't as involved catching the ball. I think you certainly have to move him down. And when you say the biggest loser in the draft, you're not speaking of the Saints. You're speaking of Mark Ingram. It's great for the Saints. Yeah. I mean, honestly, Alvin Kamara is a guy. We're doing our rookie draft right now. I tried.