Fantasy Football Podcast 2017 - NFL Draft Review Pt 2: NFC Winners & Losers

it's not going to necessarily take away from any one person. I think it's going to just add to the offense because the New York Giants, they were 25th in the league in just scoring. And so I don't think that it necessarily takes anything away. O'Dell Beckham was great when they were the 25th scoring team. I see the Giants as a team retooling their offense that's going to score more. Eli is the clear big winner.

both in free agency and with getting Evan Ingram, but I don't worry about O'Dell Beckham at all. I consider Paul Perkins a big winner in this draft. Really? If you had dropped Somaget P. Ryan, Deont, Deonti, Foreman, Kareem Hunt on the Giants, there's cause for concern. When you draft the fifth round running back, fourth. Fourth round running back. Way and go, I mean, that's the same round as P. Ryan, though. Yeah, that's true. That's true. But look, what were the options here? Would you be happier if they had brought in Ligart Blunt in offseason?

to take away Paul Perkins value. They were going to bring somebody in. So I guess in my opinion, I'm looking at Paul Perkins this offseason and I'm not delusional enough to think. Paul Perkins, RB1, locked and loaded 20 carries a game. I'm trying to figure out what the least amount of damage to his value can happen. To me, a fourth round running back is about as little of damage you could do. Yeah, it's. And they talk him up. They talked him up well after this pick. It's, it's tough to know what's going to happen with Paul Perkins. Paul Perkins.

was a fifth round pick last year. So you have even a lower draft capital invested in him than with Wayne Gaulman. Gaulman, he's from Clemson, so most people know who he is. He was not a running back who I was overly impressed with.

But what are they going to do? Because he's much larger than Paul Perkins. So if anyone profiles as a goal line running back, if they're going to do that, it would be Galman. Meanwhile, they have a thousand pass catching running backs on the team. You got Chondrone the Big Salad. You still have Shane Marine. So where does Paul Perkins fit into the – to me, he's a loser from the fact that the mess just got messier. You handed a toddler an open can of SpaghettiOs.

and said have had it. Does that mean you would take a flyer on Goldman? Probably not. Because we know that the load's not going to be carried by Vareen, and it's not going to be carried by drone. But carrying the load doesn't seem to matter in New York lately. Yeah, and that's the point. They went first round on Evan Ingram. They first round bolstered up the passing game. They were already a very pass-happy team. They ran a three-wide set more than anyone else in the NFL, and now you have a mismatched.

tweener tied end situation. So the running backs for the Giants are... You might call him a loser. Yeah, Perkins? Yeah. Yeah, I do have him as a loser. All right. I was more worried about that first round, second round guy going to New York. And that's understandable. All right. You want to talk Washington, Jason? Yeah, we can get into the Redskins with your... My boy! Mike is just dying to make Somaget P. Rines nickname the pain bot. It's already happened. Let me get this right. All he knows is pain, man.

Samaday-P-Rine, you snagged him in the Dynasty League, right? All right, Fook Clan. I need to make a... What happened? What happened, Mike? Dear diary, I thought when... What picked did you have? I thought when our producer Brooks moved in town, I looked at this situation. I thought I have a new friend. Yeah. I have a new friend. He has enriched and made my life better. We're friends. We're friends. This is not your diary, Andrews.

Get out of my head. Get out of my diary. Well, our rookie draft started. I have the 111. And my good friend, air quotes, good friend Brooks, had the 101. And he knew of my love for Somaget Paynebot. And he stole him from me. He took him the rug right under my feet. I hit my face on the way down. I was unconscious. I was in fact. You have Rob Kelly in that league?

I have Rob Kelly in that league. You should have traded up. Somaget Pirine is the reason that you like him. One, you liked him before the draft. You liked him from what you saw in film. I was a little bit more lukewarm. But his highlights were great. And I think he was much better a few years ago. But he goes into one of the best situations out there. I mean, before the draft, you're looking at Rob Kelly saying what?

do the Redskins really believe? And you go into the draft and you see, and while Galman and P. Ryan were both fourth rounders, they were opposite ends of the fourth round. I mean, there were, you know, five, six running backs basically between those two players. It seems to me like they actually did invest in P. Ryan. And because of his talent, because of that offensive line, and he's really kind of a Rob Kelly type of player. He is. That's who he is.

You know, he's not going to be coming in and taking over Chris Thompson's role. He's Chris Thompson safe. And so P. Ryan can come in and I think be the starter. And we saw Rob Kelly be fantasy relevant when he was the starter. P. Ryan is far more talented than Rob Kelly in my estimation. So if or when he takes that over, he will make a fantasy impact. Let me ask you this. I love where did Cream Hunt go in the third round? I can tell you. What pick number? They did trade up.

for Kareem Hunt. Kareem Hunt, yeah, they sold the farm to trade up into the third round. Pick 86. 86. So on the board for the Redskins, in their third round was Kareem Hunt. And I'm just surprised they didn't go Kareem Hunt because I think Kareem Hunt had 700 plus carries without a fumble in college. And that seems to be the thing that destroy, whoever fumbles the least this year, maybe the guy getting the carries between P. Ryan and Rob Kelly. But Pee Ryan is also.

A stalwart in keeping the ball off the ground. So here's what I love. What is happening? Sorry about that. Here's. So, yeah, at least I'm on sports reference.com and they do not have a fumble for P. Rhine. Well, that makes sense. Gruden. Gruden did not like the Matt Jones fumbles. And if you don't recall back a few years ago, Pryan held the record for the most rushing yards in a single game.

Was he the one that he was stolen from for like a week for like, yeah, Melvin Gordon took it. But I mean, he had that. He was, he had to split time with Joe Mix. And he's just, he's a tremendous running back to me. He has much better hands than Rob Kelly. So if that's just another plus for him to take that job early, high powered offense. What's the ceiling for Somaget P. Ryan? Perfect season comes along. A low end one.

Is he like a Jordan Howard was last year? Yeah, he's a perfect, perfect storm. He's a low-end one. I'm not by any means calling him elite top-five guy. I heard you hear first. Elite top five, Smosh and he won't take that workload like a DJ, but he can be very good. Very effective. And we saw, I mean, look, Rob Kelly on the talent spectrum, it gets better. And yet it made a big difference.

Let's move to the NFC West. Here's another very, very interesting running back selection to me if we're talking about the San Francisco 49ers. That's who we're talking about. Well, there you go. You have a pick that after the draft, you had head coach Kyle Shanahan talking about how when he was not on their board.

how sick he would have been to miss out on Joe Williams. Joe Williams yet another fourth round running back. And so you questioned coming in, do they, they talked about, oh, hey, at number two, we're thinking Leonard Four Nett. So was that just smoke? Was that not? Are they happy with Carlos Hyde? Do they need to bring someone in? But Kyle Shanahan has a history. You've been kind of obsessed with Joe Williams.

You've been kind of focused on him. I'm with Jason on this. I think Joe Williams has an opportunity to come in and be Kyle Shanhan's got. You know, I mean, Hyde was not.

this regime's running back choice. I think Hyde is fine. He's good running back. He's obviously had major health problems, but he takes a hit to me because now Kyle Shanahan, who has a history of grabbing later round running backs and bringing him in, Alfred Morris. Well, he learned it from his pops. Right. I mean, this is, you take any running back and your system is so good that you have a thousand yard rusher. So, I mean, if Joe Mixen, if Joe Williams ends up being Kyle Shanahan's guy,

Joe Williams is going to be drafted extremely late, undrafted type of player if you're talking redraft leagues. And he is a guy that I am targeting as one of those high upside sleepers if he gets that role. Yeah. Is there any chance he wins the role in the preseason? I put low chance on that. Okay. But he, and it's.

He could be earned his way quickly into a timeshare. And on top of that, for Carlos Hyde being a loser, San Francisco traded for Capri Bibbs. So they added another guy. It's Joe Williams, think of it. I know you're going a little narrative street here, but Joe Williams playing that Tevin Coleman role. Was that trade mid-draft, the Capri-Bibbibb trade? Yes. There weren't a lot of player-oriented trades during the draft. No, it was pretty infrequent in the NFL. But they traded...

and got Capri Bibs and the Broncos got a Ford, if I believe, in 2018. So any other fantasy notes here? I mean, the wide receiver, wide receiving core, you know, they drafted a quarterback in the third round. We know they have Brian Hoyer. I mean, third round is a fairly strong investment at the quarterback position. Yeah, yeah, it's all right. But I had the, whoever the wide receiver two emerges as for San Francisco, which we can't, I can't confidently say who that would be. I think it's curly. I mean.

Yeah, it could be curly. I mean, they signed Goodwin, who's crazy fast. But they obviously have. But whoever it is, I think they won because the team did not invest when they had a lot of needs to be fair for San Francisco. So investing in a wide receiver would have probably been a bad move. But for this year, the wide receiver, whoever the two is, they're going to get some targets. Arizona Cardinals. Arizona Cardinals invested their top two picks on defensive.

players, a linebacker, Hassan Reddick, and Buda Baker. You move into the third round, and you drafted a surprise pick, I think, for the majority of those draft pundits out there. Now, the third round is where they've made hay in recent years with Tyran Matthew and David Johnson. Maybe you've heard of him. Chad Williams goes in the third round. Wide receiver out of Grambling State, I believe the first wide receiver drafted out of, or the first player drafted out of gambling since 2006. Big guy, 6-1-204. Freakish athlete. Freakish athlete.

the kind of player that Bruce Ariens likes to bring in fast and capable, but might need some time in the system to become something. We had kind of thought maybe Arizona would be grabbing a Corey Davis early, not expecting Corey Davis to go number five. To me, I viewed David Johnson a winner in this draft. Yes, certainly. Not because they didn't draft somebody to compete with him because nobody can compete with David Johnson in this offense, but because...

They strengthen the defense. And this team should lean on the running game, the foundation of this team, as opposed to going and getting a high profile wide receiver. And they grabbed a couple linemen as well. Yeah, they grabbed some linemen. So to me, David Johnson's a winner, if it's possible for him to be a winner. And look, I don't see a lot of losers in this situation. Do you guys have any other thoughts in Arizona? No, I don't think there are any losers other than maybe you could argue.

that Carson Palmer missed out on that, you know, top flight wide receiver edition. But, but no, I mean, and, you know, Chad Williams is a name that you just need to keep in, keep in the back of your mind because while I didn't love his film, I trust Aryan's history and Steve Kimes history for both wide receivers and magical third round picks. Yeah, and it's, it's not just the, the opportunity is there too. Yeah, Larry Fitzgerald's going to be gone. Chad Williams is just.

a super interesting guy for Dynasty. Where does he go? I'm with Jason that when I was, I didn't know who Chad Williams was, but when Bruce Ariens takes a wide receiver in the third round, okay, well, I'm going to go check it out. I wasn't overly impressed by what I saw. However, Notable third round wide receivers that Bruce Ariens has made magic for. Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders, T. Y. Hilton, John Brown. Those are all third round? They were all third round picks.

That's a strong list. Name them one more time. I want to hear those again. Mike Wallace, Emmanuel Sanders, T.Y. Hilton, John Brown. To say nothing of Antonio Brown, who was a later round pick. Right. These are guys that he worked with. He was the offensive coordinator and the wide receiver coach for Pittsburgh. And then, of course, he was the Colts interim head coach when they picked Hilton up. But just...