Trade Targets + Value Debates, Hungry for More - Fantasy Football Podcast for 9/27

What's going on, Foot Clan? We're talking trades on today's show. Players to trade four, players to trade away, some hotly contested debates, and a lot of questions that need answers. When it comes to trading players, do not miss a minute of today's show. We also go over the Thursday night football game. Make sure you click subscribe. Stay with us all year. Hey, it's Corley-Sudan-Sudan-Broncos, and you're listening to the Fantasy Footballers. To the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore. and Mike Ride. Oh, welcome in. Wednesday edition of the fantasy footballers. Thank you for joining us. You beautiful people out there. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Mike. That's out there. I'm outside of you. Yeah. The bone structure of your face is perfect. Listeners? Yes. Look at those cheeks.

Welcome in, one and all. Excited to have you join us. Let's talk trades today. We're going to talk trade for tradeaway players. Always fun to discuss that. And in the spirit of today's episode, I made a trade of my own in our League of Record. Just to, you know, get in the mood, be able to talk trades more, you know, intimately. And we've got NFL news. We got hungry for more. We've got the Thursday night preview. One of the most ironic things before you move on is that on today's episode, we have some players to trade for and some players trade away and you trade away. One of the players you are saying you should trade for. That is true. But you have to admit in my situation, it makes perfect sense. Situations are different. And obviously players that you think you should trade away is because they have value. That is correct. And so, yeah, we'll leave it there and then we'll talk about it here soon.

You can check out the Dynasty podcast. Jason was on the most recent episode with Borgen Betts. They talked old bland and undervalued players. Yeah, it was a really good episode where we talk about the importance of aged veterans in Dynasty leagues, how to appropriately use them, capitalize them on them. You know, it's a very valuable episode, I thought. Absolutely. We had... I just saw waivers go through in our dynasty league and Mr. James Winston going for big dynasty cash. Yeah, makes sense. Does it though? Yeah, look, in Dynasty, at least we play with two budgets. You're in season and your off season. So you're in season, it's going to reset. And it's very rare to have anyone of true value pop up on the dynasty waiver wire. And if you need a quarterback,

then you should go after it. If a team really needed a quarterback to play this week, that would make sense to kind of secure a start. But obviously, we don't know how long James Winston will last. We don't know how good he will be in most matchups. I mean, we do. It's bad. But this week, if you need a start, that makes sense. No other bids on James Winston. A dollar would have grabbed him. It happens. What if your dynasty quarterbacks were Russell Wilson and Matthew Stafford? Yeah, I still wouldn't do that. Your dynasty fab, really? No, I mean, look, everybody, you know, like you said, the dynasty fab, there's not a lot of guys to spin it on. It just feels like, are you going to play Winston over Russell Wilson this week against Chicago? I would play Russ. Probably not this week, but. And James might not be starting the next week. Maybe not. Okay. But what if that injury lingers? It's a defensive James Winston manager right here. I respect the move. Derek Carr is going to be out multiple weeks. And let's, let's be honest.

Yesterday we talked about what a delight James Winston was. And I think this is just a situation where it's like, yeah, I want that in my locker room. I want him on my team. Well, see, that makes sense. But you know who I got for three fab? That might be the start of the rest of the year. Trevor Simeon. Sure. I'm not not starting this week. No, no. So it's just a longer short view. I get it. I'm not mad at you, Brooks. Oh, no. I just had to explain. why I would spend up that much on those guys. Yeah, I feel like if Winston, I feel like Winston was worth rostering probably in a dynasty as a depth play anyways. What else is going on? Do we have, we got our Drop It Like It's Hot Reminder, which is, I just said, waivers went through in every league. Players hitting the waiver wire after it runs is very important. You want to browse that. Guys are going to hit. In fact,

Dak Prescott just hit the waiver wire. Sean Tucker just hit the waiver wire. Mike Williams. Mike Williams. Oh, man. So sad. I like Dean Hartett's tweet. He said, keep Mike Williams on the roster. Put him on your IR so he can get a ring with the rest of the players if you happen to win the championship. Nice. Oh, boy. Yeah, so a lot's going on. Let's go ahead and jump in. Welcome to Hungry for More, presented by Uber Eads. It's quite the tail on that drop, Mike. Very nice. He's hungry for more. Yeah. Well, we all chose wide receivers this week. Some players we've seen flashes of through the first three weeks of the season that we, you know, we're hungry for more. We want to see more production. We're expecting more production. And they may be worthy stashes for your bench. For me, this is really PPR leagues only.

But I would put this player on your bench, and that is Josh Downs, rookie wide receiver for the Indianapolis Colts. 12 targets this past week with Gardner Minshue, 8 for 57. And to me, Josh Downs is a talented player that will demand targets the rest of the season. It won't be to the tune of 12 because Gardner is going to pass more than Anthony Richardson, who is back of practice. But I like to see, I think the trajectory for Josh Downs is very positive. You had involvement from the beginning of the season. They had spent offseason capital on Isaiah McKinsey, who has not earned a role. Josh Downs is establishing it. And it's a nice compliment to what you have in Michael Pittman. So Alex Pierce, not been very involved. He's a downfield guy. He's going to have limited total volume. And Josh Downs through three weeks has passed the eye test for me. I think he's a player that he's spot startable on any given week and may have more value as time goes on. So I completely agree with.

most everything you're saying. You can't ask Josh Downs to do much more than he's already done. Winning the job pretty much from week one in his rookie season, looking good, passing the eyeball test. It's pretty much completely a green light situation. And you're right that it's it's primarily a PPR play. He's not going to be a giant play downfield stretcher. So the only the only place I disagree on. I don't think it's a disagreement at all. It's just I do think the ceiling is limited. You know, you're hoping that he has a Cole Beasley type career in just the role. And Cole Beasley was very relevant for several years in fantasy. So that's kind of. Yeah, I see it. And I think it's a little bit like, you know, last year there was excitement before the injury for Wondale Robinson in New York. Like Josh Downs has got the same type of.

I think the same type of player as Wondale is. The jitterbug. Yeah, undersized. He's going to catch the football. And, you know, his yards per catch this past week with Gardner was seven. You know, that's just the name of the game. But is he going to produce similar to maybe like a Michael Thomas does over the course of the year? It's possible. Yeah, I'm looking at the target shares. It's for a rookie. 18. That was, you know, week one with Anthony Richardson, then 16%, then 29%. Meanwhile, Alec Pierce, which is different types of targets, but 8%, 6% in the two games with, well, mostly with Anthony Richardson. He got Richardson, of course, got knocked out in week two, but Richardson goes to Michael Pittman and he goes to Josh Downs right now. And the wide receiver target show was 39% for Josh Downs in week number three, 32% of the yards. Just a guy to keep your eye on. Absolutely. Hungry for a little more.

Oh, if we're talking about hungry for more, I'm sorry, guys. I've got the dude. He is also hungry for more. Everyone is hungry for more Marvin Mims. Shannon Payton's full. Apparently. He's seen enough. Get on the freaking field, man. He is, first of all, he's really, really good. This is a wide receiver. We talked about him in the off season, obviously in the draft season. He's talented. His production profile is great. He checks. virtually every box of like the things you look for in production, in age, in athleticism, in film, draft capital. He's the wide receiver 13 and 18 on 24% of snaps the last two weeks. You know who he reminds me of is the wide. He's now the wide receiver version.

of rookie year David Johnson. Yes. Because David Johnson never got on the field, and yet he found a way to have fantasy relevant weeks with limited touches, kick return, stuff like that. Totally. And what's funny is you say he was the wide receiver 13, he was the wide receiver 18. The wide receiver 18 finishes last week is only if you do not include his touchdown. on his awesome punt return. If you have special team scoring as well, then he's even better than that. He ran 11 routes last week. And I don't know if you know this. So this is, by the way, Marvin Mims is a rookie wide receiver for the Denver Broncos. Most people are completely unaware at this point. The Denver Broncos were down in that game. Wait, this past week? Yeah, against the dolphins this last week. They tuned out.

Yeah, everyone did. So did the Broncos. But this was an opportunity to get this rookie on the field, who's an explosive athlete. Even after the game, Sean Payton said the only good play of the game was Marvin Mim's touchdown return on special teams. Brandon Johnson is getting 60% of the snaps. What are you doing? Brandon Johnson, get out of Marvin Mims way. Get Marvin Mims on the field. He is breaking every yards per out run metric. that exists. And here's the thing. It almost feels like yards per route, like single route run. How good was your route today? It was great. Marvin Mims is talented. Johnson being on the field that much shows that there is an opportunity to get Marvin Mims more snaps. Additionally, the Broncos are running 11 personnel on just 47% of their snaps. That is 23rd in the league. I'm sure Dulcid's going down.

changed that a lot. League average of three plus wide receivers is more like 65%. So there are multiple ways, because Andy, you brought up, he's not overtaking Cortland Sutton, he's not overtaking Jerry Judy. Now, an injury to either of those players should catapult Marvin Mims opportunity easier. He will be the wide receiver three, but if you could have him be a 60% snap player like Johnson is, I think Marvin Mims will be someone that you could throw in your lineup every week and hope for a great play because he is, I think, a special, talented rookie wide receiver. Negative game scripts. You just talked about it. That could be the recipe for Denver the whole year. Yeah, I really, really, really wants to see more. Now, the problem is, is do you roster him? Because I don't think, I don't think right now, I think you probably wait and fab, don't you? Yeah, I mean, I have him on a couple of different teams where he's in redraft, in redraft where he's just waiting on my bench. You know, if you need a start immediately.

then sure, you probably want to look elsewhere. But I do think, I mean, after this last week, I wouldn't be surprised if Denver goes, let's make some changes. I mean, at some point, Marvin Mims will work his way onto the field. Mike, give us the third wide receiver you are hungry for more. I am hungry for more because I want to know what is the truth for this player. And I don't think that we can accurately say. What it is. The truth of the first three weeks is Romeo Dobbs of the Green Bay Packers has been fantastic for fantasy football. Week number one, wide receiver 10, week number two, it's terrible. Jane Reed gets all the love. Week three, his hamstring looks like it is finally back to healthy. His snaps. Maximum handstring. His snaps have jumped from. You, it's me, my hamstring.

Is that Adam? Thielen's hamstrings? Yeah, because he's such a young man. 48% of the snaps in week one. He's now back up to 86% and 12 targets. Now, I know the Packers were mounting themselves. They come back against New Orleans Saints, but 12 targets, only five receptions, but 73 yards and a touchdown. Jordan Love has been really overproducing when it comes to touchdowns. Romeo Dobbs has been part of that. and the accuracy hasn't totally been there for Jordan Love. Now, what I mean by, we don't know the truth is Christian Watson should be back Thursday. Aaron Jones should be back on Thursday. But Romeo Dobbs was the one who got the bulk of the offseason hype yet again for the Green Bay Packers. The beat reporters were saying Romeo Dobbs, he looks like he is Jordan Love's guy. He's 6'2, he's 204 pounds. Like he is built like a wide receiver won.

or the ex-player who can absolutely get it done. What does Christian Watson do to the target share when Romeo Dobbs is on the field? Maybe he comes in and Watson's the superstar. But that's why I'm hungry here. I want to see can Dobbs become that player that had hope two years ago, had even more hope this year, and so far, so good. I think it's very possible. If you look at the targets being distributed to, you know, I think he's a good young player, Jaden Reed. seven, eight targets the past two weeks. You look at the targets distributed to Dantavian Wix, six targets, four targets, Luke Musgrave getting targets. This offense, you know, they're throwing the football. And so there should be enough to go around. I do think Christian Watson, and, you know, he's not in the segment later. To me, he is a trade four target. Sure. I think Christian Watson potentially.

And I hate saying it out loud right now because I had some offers in the works for Al Borland who's got Christian Watson on his business. You aren't getting him for now. And I gave up because exactly, I said, eh, he's not doing this. He's a Packers fan. He's a Packer fan. I think Christian Watson is going to be very good. And I think Romeo Dobbs can be very good as well. Yeah. There is a world where Watson is getting, you know, the six targets a week and just hitting on two to three huge plays. But Romeo Dobbs is. more like a Des Bryant type of player, whereas you get higher target volume and you get a lot of touchdown upside because he's so big. And the nice thing is when Watson's out there, you know what won't happen? Right. Double coverage. Double coverage. Oh, man, I'm hungry for more of that. No one's even hitting the button. I don't know if I have a button for that. No, that works. Okay. You approved. Okay. Yep. I got a button. Here's a button. Take a bow.

That was hungry for more presented by Uber Eats. With Uber Eats, get anything delivered? Well, almost, almost anything. Running backs? No, no. Mike could use one. Yeah, can we get that? I can't get that delivered. I've got, you know, make me a tradeover. Flap jacks and baby backs, yes, you can get those. Order now on the app. Product availability may vary by Regency, the app for details. News and notes from around the league. Presented by USAA Insurance. Yeah, I was going to come at you with like a like a La Porta based offer for Christian Watson, but then I realized you did. Oh, I did. Yeah, but then I realized I did. Did I really? You did? I realized you said no. I think my Andy trade offer AI bot might have sent that through and not me. But I saw you, you know, you got Darren Waller and you're kind of kind of stuck, right?

Yeah, I mean, I'm not happy with the output I've gotten from. Like, were you actually interested in LaPorte, despite being a Waller manager? Sure. Okay. Look, you learn something new every day. All right. Into the news, Saquan Barkley day-to-day category, according to Brian Davel. He's been day-to-day since the injury. There's two things cannot be true here. Right. He can either be day-to-day, and it's not a high ankle sprain, in my opinion. Or he can have a high ankle sprain, and Brian Daibble is what we call. A liar. Well, considering Sequin came out and said it is a high ankle sprain and considering that almost every head coach in the league is a liar, I'm going to 100% assume that this is a high ankle spring. I saw a really neat tweet from Edwin Porras who talked about how high ankle sprains, the average time to come back on the field is almost always either zero missed games.

Or three missed games. Like that's when you have a high ankle sprint, you're either back the next week and you just. This is why you were in on burita. Yeah. Or you're going to miss three games. So I don't expect this day to day. I mean, the day-to-day nonsense is probably something where it just means bad news for waivers and you got to wait until Sunday before he's ruled out. Nope. Even worse, Jason. Giants are Monday night. Oh, are you? Brian! It is an absolute disaster, and I'm cackling over to myself imagining, because coaches do this. You know, just like the Gannon move of who's our quarterback, Brian Dable is trying to gather some sort of competitive advantage. And I'm, imagine being the defense all week you're getting ready for Sequin Barclay. And then he's ruled out and you're like, oh, crap!

Our plan was for Sequin. How are we possibly going to stop Matt Berita and company? Just tear up the defensive play calling. It's ruined. Someone, someone quickly. Get on this Gary Brightwell. Stop. Stop each plan. What do we do? Yeah, the opposite would be the only competitive advantage where there's no chance. That's the better one to go in. Dayball should be saying, oh, it's going to be three to this week. It's probably going to be several weeks and then boom, Sequin's on the feet. He might be month to month at this point. I don't know. You're right. He should completely flip it. That being said, Monday night game. Give them an extra day to recover. I mean, I don't know if I want to throw the committee out there. Matt Brita had four carries last game.

Now, one of them ended up as a touchdown to salvage your night. But it would have been an unmitigated, almost goose from your running back position. And Gary Brightwell got a lot of work, and we didn't even see Gray. Yeah, they did basically split the work. We've talked a lot about Brightwell as, or I'm sorry, we've talked a lot about Berita and not a lot about Brightwell as the replacement. So. You know, I would still definitely go Breedah first, but it's not like he just inherits Sequin Barclay's volume. And you knew it was going to be a disaster against the San Francisco 49ers, and that picking up Burita was more of a, well, if Barclay misses time, then they get the Seattle Seahawks the next week. That's not that you're loving playing Matt Barreta, but look at the landscape of the running backs. We're not loving very many of them at all right now.

Anthony Richardson progressing through the concussion protocol. We'll take normal reps today. We expect him back on the field. Doug Peterson said Zay Jones is a long shot to play in week four. See, now that's how you do it, Doug. Yeah. That's how you do it. Oh, he's definitely not going to be there. Long shot. Cardinals not in a hurry to immediately activate Kyla Murray when the pup window opens, according to Jonathan Gannon. I know Jason, you have some stuff to say here. This was a really important quote from Jonathan Gannon. Not only did he say that just because the window of his availability to activate him from the pup, he said, you know, yeah, we realize we can. You know, it's probably not going to happen right now. So that's important. But then he talked about he wants him to be ready physically and mentally.

have a couple of weeks of practice. So what this means is that, so the way that the pup works is once you activate someone off the pup, they can practice. But you still have, I think it's 21 days before you basically have to have them active in a game or else they basically go back to pup for the rest of the season, which means based on his own words, and I believe this because of how and when it was shared, basically they're not going to activate them yet. And then when they do, it's probably another three weeks until you see him. So I think you're talking about a month and a half, two months before you see Kyler. And this is really important for fantasy because I was starting to toy around with, okay, the Cardinals play San Francisco this week. It's probably not going to go well. Obviously they had a good game against Dallas, but this one's in San Francisco. And Hollywood looks like a great trade for target.

If Kyler's going to be back soon, this quote means Kyler is not back for another month or two. Okay. That's, yeah. Yeah, you're right. And I think, did you see this thing? Arizona didn't have a jersey available for Joshua Dawes? Yes. They weren't selling them in the store. In the store. So they fixed it. And he got one. All right. That was today's news and notes presented by USAA Insurance. Learn more at USAA.com slash insurance. Quick break back with our trade segment. All right. Let's jump in. Let's talk trades. Shall we? Shall we? Yes, let's do it. Shall we trade? I jumped in this morning. I made a big trade in our league of record. You did. You fired the silver bullet. Which was... Your number two overall pick. I did. In our league, we can trade draft picks. You cannot trade your first, so the second is the strongest draft capital pick you can move. And...

It's always in our league a game of chicken to see who's going to start just blasting that draft capital away. And the winner this year is Andy. Well, I try to be the winner most years. I get impatient. I'm going to double down on my trade four players. I'm going to throw two names. Okay. The original name is Sam Laporta, tied in for the Detroit Lions, currently the tied in two on the season. You still have an opportunity. to go and trade for Sam Leporta. You can play up the rookie narrative. This is a player that is on pace to break the rookie record in terms of total targets. He's not going anywhere. That is my message to you. So I think Sam Leporta is in the landscape of tight and frustration is a very worthy player to go and pursue. And very likely he may be rostered by somebody that has...

a couple of tight ends on the team because he was picked up as a free agent option. It's possible he was picked up by the Andrews, Waller, Kittle, Goddard, Kelsey managers in your league. And if any of those are the case, there's going to be an opportunity to pick him up. And this message is he's worth picking up. He's worth putting on your roster. I think he's in every week's start. Now, Jason mentioned it. I did trade Sam LaPorte this morning. I have Travis Kelsey. So that was something that, look, other than the buy week for Kelsey, he's never touching the field for me. So you're saying Kelsey's going to be better than Leporta this year? Yes. Was it were you? Are you from Clueless? Yeah, that was a very California girl. So I think Leporta is the pickup. And the other name I want to throw out there. And I know I mentioned Christian Watson earlier. I actively went and traded for Garrett Wilson this morning. I made the determination.

This is a generally untouchable player that the situation in New York is so cataclysmic that people are down. I mean, he hit our waiver wire. He hit the waiver block in our league. Sorry, let me rephrase it. He hit the trade block. He was not released. I don't see a way that it doesn't get better for Garrett Wilson. Now, in three weeks. He's got the least accurate quarterback in football in Zach Wilson. He's put up in our league format, which is half point, 11, 17, and like 8. Zach Wilson is not going to be the permanent starter for this team. There's already talk of friction in the locker room. Players very upset about the fact that Robert Sala is the Zach Wilson apologist in the room. Players do not want to go out and put max effort on the field if they're not getting the best on the offensive side of the football.

We've been here before. And Garrett Wilson is a top five talent at the wide receiver position. So for me, if you can go bargain shop for Garrett Wilson. Which I think you can do. I think you can go trade somebody that's had a really juicy or pretty good three weeks and then go make the trade offer for Garrett Wilson. I think it gets better. I really do. I think New York, it's Trevor Simeon or somebody else. Yeah, I mean, I will agree with you that when Zach Wilson is replaced, it will get better. Literally no matter who it is. Trevor Simeon is not good, and it will 100% be better if it is Trevor Simeon. I would just say that the reason I think it works especially well in your context where you traded for him is we're a keeper league. So if it doesn't work out this year, which I could see, you know, in the Megalabole, I benched Garrett Wilson for four different wide receivers this last week, and it was.

a good move because he scored fewer than them. And if it doesn't work out, you have the option of a great keeper value in giving up your second. So I think if you're out there playing in keeper leagues, it makes a lot more sense to say, hey, this is a player I can't usually get a hold of or a dynasty league. Well, and I don't have to start him. I mean, that's the other situation. If you have a couple of good starters, you're looking for a flex, you're looking for a wide receiver three or four, and you can get them on the cheap.