Fantasy Football Podcast 2016 - AFC East, Josh Gordon News, Keep/Trade/Cut

Look, Patriots tight-ins get into the Enzone. That's the reality. So I think if you have the opportunity to set up those mismatches, even in those first four games, Bennett is somebody you have to pay attention to. And he's being, for the most part, ignored. So I think it's an interesting guy in deeper leagues. Oh, hit the break. Breaking news. Oh, goodness gracious. Breaking news. The NFL reinstates. Reinstates wide receiver Josh Gordon suspends him for the first four games.

So now you've got Levion Bell, Tom Brady, and Josh Gordon, who will be missing the first four games of the season. That's the biggest breaking news we've had happen on the show. Oh, that's so great. There are people listening to this tomorrow, because we're recording this the day before, that thought we missed this news during the news and notes, and here it is. Oh, we miss nothing. Oh, my goodness. All right, so this is completely unknown territory, no time to...

ponder the uh the details of this you're getting so right now right here josh gordon where does he belong in the draft uh holy moly yeah i'm going to surprise some people with where i think josh gordon should go in the draft and i'm going to say josh gordon should go in the at the highest i would take him is the sixth round okay

I think some people are going to go nuts on Josh Gordon and think, look, this was a guy who a couple years ago was the number one receiver without even playing 16 games. But we have to remember when he came back that following year before he got suspended, he wasn't that good in those games. The last season that he played, he had one good game and a bunch of garbage games and then lost the season. So I think it's no guarantee that just because he was extremely talented several years ago that he's, you know, one of those Julio.

O'Dell Beckham, you know, Antonio Brown type of players, especially with Robert Griffin the third throwing him the ball. So I'm just saying my expectations are I'm totally willing to take a flyer on him. You know, I would take him over a Jordan Matthews maybe. Would you take him over Michael Floyd in the fifth? No. Okay. I don't think I would. That's interesting. Because you're also losing the four games. It's not just...

I think Michael Floyd will be better. I don't have to waste a bench spot. I don't have to lose him for those first four games. It says that his reinstatement is conditional, according to NFL.com, and that he is allowed to participate in training camp. So I'm guessing he has to maintain sobriety and just like more so a pattern of what they want him to be doing. Like go through all the hoops that they have set up for him. I am happy for Josh Gordon. Yeah, he's super talented.

The question that is built in here is Josh Gordon has the potential to be the number one right receiver. He has done it. Right. So that's built into him. We don't think Michael Floyd could do that. I don't think Jeremy Macklin could do that. I don't think T.Y. Hilton can do that. So where do you draft Josh Gordon? I, depending on my team's makeup, will tell me whether I can take that chance. If I have taken a quarterback or tight end within the first four or five rounds, Josh Gordon, I'm not taking him. If I have a little bit of.

depth at running back a wide receiver, I would take Josh Gordon maybe in the fifth, early fifth, maybe in the fourth. But I want to see, I think early fifth is where I'm sitting right now. And so now how does this affect Cory Coleman, Gary Barnage? Significantly. Yeah, I mean, you've got another guy coming in. If you were counting on Coleman to be a one, he's not. I'll tell you what. It's over. I had a deep sleeper that I've been very excited about on the Browns that I've been drafting.

I have much more stock of this guy than I have of Corey Coleman because of where Coleman's going. But I've been taking Torel Pryor. Stock on just late flyer. Torel Pryor is dead to me now. If you're talking like you want a supreme, talented athlete who just has the chance to make plays on his own. Now that's Josh Gord. Yeah, I mean, I don't even know where to begin on the prior thing. I couldn't disagree more. I just think he's irrelevant. He is now. Yeah, I think he was. I think he was already. Corny Coleman is not the one.

Corey Coleman's a rookie, and if you need a few games to build rapport, those will be the games when Gordon's out, but you're not going to see elite numbers, because normally I would have expected Coleman's season to look like a slow trajectory upward of being acclimated, getting used to the system, and you'd see him take off halfway through the season. Gordon's there, Barnage is there, Coleman is not going to, he's not going to be a one for that team. That's the fact right now.

So that's huge news. I think Josh Gordon is hyper, you know, super talented. He's not, you know, it's not like he's aged out of his potential. He's 25 years old. He's a superstar. And we'll give more, we'll give more commentary on this on Thursday when we get to, I mean, this was literally off the top. When Josh Gordon joins the show. Yeah, maybe. Maybe we'll try to get him on. But we'll, we'll dig deep and look at some research, watch some film of that last season and get back to you with. Yeah.

More thorough, thoughtful analysis. I really, yeah. All right. Jets, let's talk about the Jets. We've already talked about Marshall and Fitzpatrick a little bit, but it's time to break down that offense, break down that team. This was a wide receiver dominated team. In fact, the Jets had tight ends that average half a reception per game is what their average was. They basically had no tied in last year. That wasn't just blocking. So those of you that want to...

hope for Jay Samarro or somebody else to produce. I wouldn't be helping for it. Helen Davis. I heard something like Jason Marro is going to be more involved this year in the passing game unless he doesn't take a step forward, in which case he's on the roster bubble. It's like, what? He's going to, so he's going to be more involved.

Or he's not going to make the team. It's the Kenny Bell. Look, in the NFL, teams average five receptions for the tight-in. If he takes a step forward and gets up to one reception a game, you're not going to be very happy. Right. No, the tight-in position is irrelevant here. It's really your two stud. And that's part of, I think, what makes Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker a duo of viable fantasy.

output. It's what, I mean, you look last year with the Jags, right? Those were another team. You had Alan Robinson and Alan Hearns. Well, Julius Thomas was injured, and that really helped get that off the ground. Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker, I'm, I really believe they're both good, fine options, no matter who the quarterback is. I think if it comes out that Gino is the guy, I'm not sure I'm touching their numbers that much. Because what's going to happen game script-wise is you're going to have more interceptions.

More turnovers and more passing. I mean, it might not be good for the Jets, but I don't think it will be bad for their fantasy output. I had really helped the breaking news was that Ryan Fitzpatrick had been signed. Yeah, of course you did. Right before we get into the Jets. That would have been perfect. Last year, the Jets averaged the 10th most rushing yards per game, almost 117 yards a game. That was on the back of Chris Ivory. And towards the end of the season, Bilal Powell was very involved in, especially the two-minute drills, all third downs.

We have Matt Forte arriving in New York. We have Kyrie Robinson and we have Bilal Powell. Powell got paid, Forte got paid, Robinson got paid. It's interesting to note there how much they all got paid. Forte, it was said Forte got a nice big monster deal. Well, Belal Powell got almost an identical deal. I mean, the numbers are super close. They paid the same amount for those two guys. And then Kyrie Robinson got nothing, got absolute, you know.

I was a little bit high on him, and as we were getting close to drafting Kyrie as like our last pick in a Scott Fishbowl league, I just realized they brought him in to just test the waters. Maybe he becomes that goal on guy, and that would be a good position because I don't think Matt Forte or Belal Powell are that. But I'm not really, I think it's going to be a two-man show there between Forte and Belal Powell. Well, that has to maybe improve the prospects. You know, we're lower.

as a show, the three of us on Matt Forte, then others are. And I think people, you know, you talk about pedigree. When Forte was drafted, since 2008, no player has more yards from scrimmaged than Forte. So he's got this long fantasy football history of producing for fantasy owners. And so everybody, they see where we have them ranked compared to the average and they say, why are you so down on Matt Forte? Why not believe in Matt Forte? I don't think we are down on Matt Forte, the player. I think he will be valuable for that offense.

I just think Jason's dead on. I think it's going to be a committee. They've come out and say it's going to be a committee. And you're going to be disappointed if you have Matt Forte in there and you expect him to be a workhorse because I don't think he can be that anymore. Yeah. Now, so let's ask the question, though, because a lot of times when we're down on guys, that means, you know, we're saying I wouldn't draft him, he won't be on my team, but that'll push people down. And so where would, where would Forte be a good enough value? Well, you just said he's a third round pick right now. Correct.

He's going ahead of C.J. Anderson, ahead of Latavius Murray. I take both those guys ahead of Forte. I would take all three of those guys ahead of Forte. Yeah. I think you have a situation, too, where a lot of Forte's value is in the passing game. And a lot of Bilal Powell's strengths are in the passing game. They really have a quite similar skill set, those two. I mean, Forte obviously is better between the tackles. Is the better runner. But because of that, it's almost like what I think you're going to see is entire series.

taking turns as opposed to forte on you know first and second below pal comes in on third down i think you're going to see more of a a hot hand approach keep them on the field for this drive give him a give him a break for the next drive that's my anticipation it's too early to know i have i i think i have we have consensus 25 we've got them behind quite a few guys so 25 at the running back at the running back wow

So outside of the two. That sounds too low to me. A little bit too low. Right now, our consensus of Carlos Hyde is way too high because of that Mike guy. Yeah. What is he doing? That's really high on Hyde. How high does Mike have Hyde? He's not here. Actually, he's got him at 14. Yeah, that's all right. I wouldn't have him that high, but he's got the opportunity. There are chips that are falling his way. I'll say this. Woodhead right now is consensus above Forte.

I, he's going down for me. Woodhead's going, I'm moving for, uh, Woodhead down. I'm moving Forte up maybe a little bit, but I think he's a back in too. I think he's a, he's definitely a two. I'd be really happy having that production, but I'm, you know, he's going to have his games, but I don't think he's going to be a consistent force. Yeah, the reality is this, right? Most teams in the NFL are running back by committee and not.

most teams in the NFL run the ball as much as the Jets are going to try to run the ball this year. They want to be a running defensive-minded team. And if that's the case, then shouldn't Belal Powell and Matt Forte be more valuable than some of the other split timeshare backs? If you don't believe Kyrie Robinson takes goal line away. I think they're going to give Robinson a chance around the goal line. They did things. Here's the thing. Bowles was there last season with ivory. And Stephen Ridley got a lot of work. No, he didn't.

He got a lot of work towards the end of the season when you didn't expect him to. He would put him out there to spell ivory. I'm just saying if Stephen Ridley is getting opportunities, Kyrie Robinson is going, they brought, that's his guy. They brought him in. And Ridley last year did not look like himself at all. I'm just saying there were games where he was in the game and he just looked so bad. I'm like, why would you ever give him a single carry? But I just don't remember them giving the ball that much. I'm going to look that up. In terms of total carries.

Yeah, were there games? Let's see. I guess towards the end of the last two games of the season, seven, seven carries, nine carries for Ridley. That would definitely eat into the overall. And that was for a guy who was injured coming into the season. No team in the league had more touchdowns at the wide receiver position. That'll continue. Decker and Marshall will both be forces around the red zone. And if Robinson's in there, you're going to have reduced. I mean, Forte has never been a high touchdown guy. That's just been the case. All right, let's move on. Let's talk about the dolphins now.

What do you want to talk about? Well, Ryan Tannahill is an interesting candidate to talk about. He is a guy that coming into last season was pretty highly touted from the fantasy community. We were, you know, we were saying that he could have a breakout season last year. He was probably overdrafted a little bit, and then he severely disappointed. And in fantasy, there is always those post-hyped sleepers, the guys that they got hyped.

They failed on that hype. And then the next year, everyone is completely dead to them. But that's the year they break out and perform. And I feel like at the quarterback position, there are two guys that could play that role this year. That's Ryan Tannehill and Matt Ryan. I think we could have been one year early with them being more of a breakout candidate.

But it's scary, right? I mean, I'm not excited to draft Ryan Tannahill. I don't think he's a very great quarterback. I don't even think he's a very good quarterback. He's had so many different offensive coordinators and head coaches where you could say, well, maybe that's the problem. But maybe he's the problem and the reason they've had so many different changes at the top because he can't get it done. Yeah, I mean, this is one of those things we talked about on the show the other day. There are players you're willing to be right about.