Fantasy Football Podcast 2017 - Regress or Impress Candidates for 2017

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to the fantasy footballers podcast coming to you from the fantasy jocks.com studios with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. We're back. It's Tuesday, and we are back in business. How are you guys doing today? I'm doing excellent. The excellent thing about that intro is there is nothing self-indulgent happening.

Happening during that? No, no, no, no, no. The greatest thing that has ever happened. It's an extravaganza. If you call a beautiful painting beautiful, it's still being modest. If it's actually beautiful. Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast, Andy Makin. Jason, back again. Great episode coming your way. Quick question of the day. Guys, we're jumping right into it. Let's do it. I don't like it for what it's worth. I don't like the quick question.

because we have had some various tight-end related debate in the office. And here's the question. People want to know if O.J. Howard and David and Joku and Evan Ingram can make a real fantasy impact this season. Are they that elite talent-wise? Or are they being over-hyped because of, you know, how many went in the first round?

So here's some rookie tight-in trivia guys, and we'll talk about this. So do we want to do the trivia or answer that question first? Well, we want to do the trivia, and then we'll answer the question. Okay. Okay. Part one, in the past 10 seasons, how many rookie tight-ins have had 50-plus receptions? I'm pretty sure I know. Mike, you might. Jason probably does. A lot of tight-end related research happening as we're getting ready for the draft kit. It's very small. Yeah, it's either two or three.

I will go with three. Then I shall go with two. Yes. Three it is. Ha-ha! Dang it! Three rookie tight-ins in the last 10 years have had more than 50 receptions. I don't have the list. Shockey was amazing. Yes. Part two. The fact, though, that Shockey comes to mind in the discussion tells you how not recent that is. In the past 10 seasons, how many rookie tight-ins have had over 600 receiving yards?

I will go with Jason's last answer. Two. I shall go three. The answer is one. You missed the hint, Jason. Yeah, I'm not looking at anything. The answer is one. There have been one rookie. There's one rookie titan in the last 10 years with over 600 receiving yards. One? Just one. In the past 10 seasons, how many rookie tight ends have scored five touchdowns or more? All right.

So in the past 10 years, how many rookie tight ends have scored five or more? We know Hunter Henry did it last year. Yeah, and Gronk, I'm 100% positive was over that. There have been more people. I think like Carlson might have been over there. I think Carlson was in that reception's group. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. It is seven. There we go. Seven rookie tit. Now, again, what do you believe? What do you believe about these three players, their three landing spots? And...

We've all projected our tight ends. We've all talked about these guys because they're exciting. These are exciting players. Ingram is that Aaron Hernandez threat. Jordan Reed. And what was exciting about Ingram was, hey, maybe the Giants coaching staff, maybe Ben McAdoo's got something up his sleeve. And he says, I'm going to take this guy. He's a tweener. He's too big for him to be a wide receiver, too small to be a tight end. Now I'm just going to use him as a receiver, as a special player.

But no, all the news from the New York Giants camp says, well, no, no, he's absolutely a regular tight end and we will use him appropriately and teach him how to play regular tight end. Then you should have drafted David and Joku, who could have done that. And I'm completely on board with that. I love Evan Ingram. I liked him more than Jason. But after this news came out, it has me shaky here that maybe they are not going to use his strengths the way that they should. So let me ask you this.

Are any of these tight-ins going to have 50 or more reception, 600 or more yards, or five or more touchdowns? Oh, that's a good way to put it. I can tell you right now from my, we have statted all of these rookies out. I do not have a single one with over any of those numbers. Okay. I do. And I know. And you know I do. I really, really like these guys, especially in Joku and Howard.

And I would throw in Everett as well. As far as long-term, great, really important fantasy players, I believe they will be that. But I don't see any of these guys making an immediate fantasy impact this year. I have Engram statted above that line. I have him at 60 for 625. But that was also done before all this nonsense of, well, we're going to teach him how to block. And so he may have to come down. And he was the highest of the...

of the rookie crop for me. I believe that all three will surpass the five or more touchdown mark. Now, you didn't tell me that I needed to put up a flame resistance shield in the middle of this table. Now Mike doesn't have a face. My eyebrows are gone. I believe all three can score five or more touchdowns this year and will score five or more touchdowns. I believe David Injoku will be the only of the three that will surpass both 50 receptions and 600 yards.

But I believe he will have the triple crown of rookie tight ends in the vein of Jeremy Shockey. I thought you were going to go with Secretariat. We could have gone a secretariat. The once in a lifetime. He's a thoroughbred running down the field. All right. Follow us on Twitter at the FF Ballers. Today's show's great. I'm telling you this is an awesome episode. Regress or Impressed. That's what we're doing today. We're going to bring up.

eight different players that had banner years last year and talk about whether they're going to regress or continue to impress in 2017. I think these are questions that a lot of fantasy owners have about these specific players because in some cases, does it justify their draft value because their draft value moved up after a great year? In other cases, maybe people don't buy in.

And are you going to get that kind of production from a late round value as well? So that's what we're going to do today. Like I said, the website, I hadn't said that. I said Twitter was at the FFBallers. The website is The Fantasy Footballers.com. Check out all the content on there as well as the ultimate draft kit. And unless you guys have anything else, I want to get into the news. Let's do it. News and notes from around the league. Oh, oh, man. Josh Gordon's petition.

This is late news because this happened after the last Thursday's podcast. But not going to be reinstated. Well, he can ever. F this time. I mean, what was it? He was allowed to reapply in August or so? Yeah. Yeah. But I'm going to go. I'm cool with Jason's statement. I mean, I love that he can reapply again. Yeah, I mean, he's been trying to do this for years now. And here's what bothers me even more. I mean, at this point, everything is frustrating.

But his agent has terminated the relationship. That's not a good sign. And if I'm wrong about this, Foot Clan and you're listening, I apologize, and I got the name wrong. I'm almost positive the agent is who he was living with and who was vouching for him about a month ago when reinstatement discussions were taking place. Now that agent has abandoned him, so to speak, or gotten out while he could.

terminated the relationship and he was denied. So something happened in that time span. Not only was he denied, we are in the season where Darrell Washington and Martavis Bryant were both reinstated. There's there's something we don't know about and it is not good. It is good news though for the current Cleveland Browns wide receivers. You can have like David and Joku.

Sure. And I love David and Joku. I hope you're right on that. But I think Cory Coleman, I've got him statted surprisingly high. Like when I went through and looked at the Browns, I was like, whoa, Cory Coleman's a, you know, he's, I think he might be a back-end wide receiver two for me. It was scary to do that. Here's another episode coming up, by the way. We're going to defend ourselves because you said you had a surprisingly high.

projection for Corey Coleman. I think we've surprised one another with several projections. And what do we call that episode? Explain yourself. Explain yourself. So we'll bring that episode. It's very similar to treat yourself. This time you have to explain yourself. Yeah, well, you know, we do it in the office already. Hot debates going on all the time. We've got all these projections built out so far for the initial release of the Ultimate Draft Kit on June 1st. So we're going to do an Explain Yourself episode very soon.

Look, this next bit, I'm going to, I'm not reading much into this. Let's just put it this way. Reports that Deonti Foreman showed up out of shape, okay? Here's the reports. All rookies are out of shape. Yeah, that's the truth. Is that they've been getting ready for interviewing to get into an NFL team? They're not focused, right? Or they haven't been the last couple months. They've not been focused. Flying around the country. Especially for those rookies, right? Some rookies, you know, you take McCaffrey. McCaffrey didn't go.

Visit teams. He's like, hey, you come to my pro date, and he's working on his craft. But you got Mixing who, you know, and Foreman, those guys where you're not sure. Are they going to be day two prospects? Or are they going to possibly go undrafted? They've got to go to teams and visit. And, yeah, I mean, and both of those guys, unsurprisingly, they're saying, hey, you're out of shape. I wanted to take the time now to throw out the broad sweeping disclaimer for every.

A desperate update that comes across the newswire right now. Because there are a lot of reports, and they begin like this. They say, ESPN reporter blank projects blank. And you have to realize that that's their job. I'm not discounting or saying you shouldn't be reporting something. But there was a report today that Somaget P. Ryan would likely be the starter in Washington coming from a beat rider, not coming from the head coach.