Fantasy Football - Biggest Draft Fallers + Bod Man Breakdown! - Podcast for 2/24

to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. Tuesday, the end of February. What day is it? It's the 24th. 24th. We're just a couple of guys doing a show. The Fantasy Footballers podcast. Andy Mike. Oh, cardboard bear, extraordinaire. Yes. It looks a little different in here, Mike, in the midst of some studio renovations. Yes. You, the listener at home may not have fully realized. I mean, we said, hey, we're recording some stuff early because the three of us are going to take a break. And while that was going, the shows are still coming up. Yeah. But the crew around here, because we said get to work. We're out. No, physically get to work.

tools and we got a little adhesives got some studio renaos yeah we actually have a new back wall the the brick has been swapped out we have new uh go to the two handling behind mike and i we have some new lighting what's this it is not a completed project by any stretch of the imagination that's why jason wouldn't show up he's like yeah if it's not completely ready for me i'm not setting foot into the office he is still in his trailer yes he's in his trailer And he's in a bad mood because we're not done. But we are working on it. And the guys did a lot of hard work while we were gone. I feel like I've been gone in eternity, even though we had a show on Thursday because I missed that show. Right. And then we took a week off. And I purged my brain from football mostly. I'm focused on current events like 90s basketball. But we're back in the building. You do love.

You love the Jordan cards. I do love 90s hoops, yeah. But it is Tuesday. February 24th, Mike Wright is here. I'm Andy Holloway. This is the fantasy footballers podcast. We would be remiss if we didn't tell you the ultimate draft kit. The Dynasty Pass is live right now. Yeah, and we got a deadline coming up. Combine. No. Oh, you're talking about for the promo. Yes. Yeah, I thought you're talking about the impending combine, which we release a second. update to the dynasty pass after the combine. But no, it is the 24th of February. And if you don't pick it up by March 1st, you're going to miss out because you'll have a chance to win a listener league spot to play with us in 2026. So ultimate draft kit.com. If you're already an ultimate foot clan member, you're entered to win. If you've already picked it up, you're entered to win. But this is the lowest price you're going to get on the ultimate draft kit, the number one draft day tool.

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Ladies and gentlemen, Foot Clan, you did it. The FSGA Awards took place. The best social media content, which is completely a fan vote. Bang! Take it down, baby. Took it down. We are so back. So thank you for taking the time to vote for us. So we did take home that award. Got us a nice little trophy. We appreciate it. Yeah, no, and we, I think we also took home the best video show. Yep, we got one of them. Once we won that, we were like, let's change it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're like, let's change everything about it. All right, we do have a quick question, Mike. Shall I proceed? Yes. Okay. We wanted to ask the question right here right now, late February. Which players do you estimate will have the biggest drop in average draft position this upcoming season?

which it's hard to predict because we don't know where free agency is going to land and where the draft's going to go, but there are players that are subject to change. There's a couple freebies. I think Isaiah Pacheco is the big time one. He was a fifth round pick last year, and he will be completely replaced on the Kansas City Chiefs. I think he's even, is he a free agent? I think there was some news that broke about him a couple days ago. as well but it's just he he will be replaced um yeah he's played four years so he will be looking for a new contract and i don't the way that that things have turned for him man he burned bright he burned real bright in those first two years and then just was never able to keep it going but he i mean he will go from a fifth round pick to be basically undrafted because i can't imagine he's getting a free agent job yeah and i would i would say the the one that i went with it's the player i want to talk about

Because I think there was a point where I thought he'd be traded, but with the recent news about Travis Hunter's role in the offense, I no longer believe that at all. It's Brian Thomas Jr. who was a second round pick. He was a sensational rookie. And his underdog ADP right now is in the fifth round. I think it'll stay around there. I think there's great hesitation around Brian Thomas Jr. There should be. And it's just a strange thing when a player goes out and shows you what they were capable of doing as a rookie, putting up prolific numbers. certainly acting the part of a true alpha. And then to what happened this year, the emergence of Parker Washington, the trade and extension for Jacoby Myers, the drafting of Travis Hunter. Like we are all going to have to adjust our expectations for Brian Thomas Jr. There may be dominant games. I don't think there'll be dominant seasons anymore in the same tier that he did as a rookie. And that's, to me, that's a weird thing when your rookie season may be the best one you have for your entire career.

Yeah. But it feels like that for Brian Thomas Jr. And so I don't think he's going to be traded. And the news recently has been that Travis Hunter is going to be a full-time corner, part-time offensive wide receiver, which, I mean, that gives Brian Thomas Jr. some stability. The Travis Hunter thing is so weird. Like, I don't know if there was ever, you know, thinking back, like, could it really fully work? Like, they traded a lot to go get Travis Hunter. who great player. I think he can be excellent at whatever position they specialize him in. But the allure of the unicorn who could play, he's like, oh, can he play two full-time starter positions for us? I don't know. I don't know if that's ever going to come to pass. And trading all that to move up to number two for a DB. It's the trade that does it because it's like if you just had the pick.

Oh, well, it's so much different. Yeah. Cornerback. I'm fine with that. And you get, you get some offensive reps from that corner. I mean, that's cool. I mean, it's like the trade that you, you traded for someone that you felt like you needed to be full time both ways. Yeah. And I don't think it's, doesn't sound like that's going to happen. I just wonder, though. Like, I just wonder how alternate history plays out if he doesn't get hurt. He had a 100 yard, like 10 catch, whatever it was, 14 target game. I don't remember the exact numbers, but it was like, that was the moment I traded for him in a fantasy league. It was, there was a lot of garbage in there. There was. These were bloated numbers of a team that was down multiple scores. But it was post-by, and it was like evidence that they had worked him into the offense. I think it was right before the buy. Oh, you're right, because he got hurt on the Bible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he had the big game, and then you're like, maybe they do even more with the bylaws. All that being said, it's like after that point in time, they extended Jacoby Myers, right?

after that point in time Parker Washington has a breakout due to opportunity, which shows them what they have in him. So I guess I just wonder what would have happened. Sure. And obviously an injury changes everything. That's the luxury of Travis Hunter is it's like if Parker Washington goes down, if Brian Thomas goes down, you can play him more. Yes, you can. You can play them more on the offensive side. So that's kind of the name for me. Outside of Pacheco, Mike, is there another name that you think is really vulnerable? Well, I mean, I said there's a couple freebies. I'll throw Camara in there as well.

who right now, he was a fourth round pick last year, right now in best ball. He is going in the 13th round as we all expect. We expect a replacement of some sort for Camara as he fades off or rides off into the sunset. I'm not going to call fate. Alva Camara ruled. Alva Camara had a great career. All great things must come to. Yeah, but they have to, especially at the running back position. I wonder the. the panther situation at running back is going to be very interesting of we all expect riko to elite i expect riko to leave um yeah will he will he get the bag that he wants you will ever be content in this world i really don't like riko will always well he will be content if he gets if he gets paid but i don't know that the i don't know that the bag nor the starting role is out there for him

But I think at this point, no matter what, even if he goes and takes a timeshare backup position, it's not going to be with the Panthers. I think he's going to be too upset. And then you have, what do the Panthers do of Chuba who's still, I mean, still being paid very, very well. And then is Jonathan Brooks actually back after another ACL tear? I won't be shocked if they take a running back. Oh man, what a mess. In the middle to late rounds. What a mess. Well, they have Trevor E.N as well. Sure. Who they drafted. So maybe they feel like to have enough. Chuba, who was a fourth rounder last year. Right now he's in the eighth. He's going to be, I think he'll be very interesting of, of like a guy in those later rounds. They're like, this is a starting running back for a team that really can get the run game going. Yeah. Chuba in the fourth was not.

super alluring to me last year of i mean i'm team riko and it kind of just turned into a big mess for everybody but chuba in the eighth yeah okay yeah more interesting yeah there'll be a lot of uh you know we've got the combine coming up we'll have the draft we'll have free agency um and and a lot of these deb charts are going to shake out oh yes and we update those as well in the ultimate draft kit keep you apprised of everything let's uh catch up on some news News and notes from Around the League. All right, we just said it. The NFL Combine starts on Thursday, February 26th with those boring defensive linemen and linebackers. Yeah. And then Friday they give you the DBs, and then they're like, hey, here, have a little tight ends in there. Well, I mean, that'll be fun. Kenyon, Sadiq. We will be on Sadiq. We will be on Sadiq watch. Eli Stowers. I mean, there's some interesting tight ends this year. Sadiq does lead the way, though, as someone who.

he's probably going to crush the combine. Oh, he absolutely will. He is a very athletic big man. I genuinely think he's going to be pushing top 10. Oh, man. Which is a terrifying proposition for fantasy players. Yes. We're going to talk about one getting franchise tag that we had to deal with for years. Saturdays, quarterbacks, wide receivers, and running backs, and then Sunday, the offensive linemen. Big news, though, the Cowboys, they signed Giovante Williams to a three-year $24 million contract. Congratulations, Giovante. That feels like a true accomplishment for him. Because he could have been like the worst case scenario for a running back prospect. Never get paid. Flame out of the league due to injury. And I don't know, get a job at Walmart. Yeah. But instead.

He redeems himself with a fabulous year in Dallas, and now they sign him to a three-year deal. 16 million guaranteed. Congratulations, Javante. Cowboys, Stephen Jones, said the team will place the franchise tag on George Pickens. It's the only way forward. It's the only way. Well, I'm saying, like, this is, you have to. You can't just let George Pickens walk. Yeah, whether it's sign and trade from this point or keep him or extend him or whatever. This is, unfortunately, this does not give us any. true information on what is the future like what is 2026 for george pickens where will he be we still don't know that because but this was the first piece that had to happen another bit of franchise tag news kyle pitts the expectation the falcons oh boy will use the franchise tag on kyle pitts and work on a long-term extension kyle pitts he is 25 years old dude oh he did have a game

A game of games, though. I mean, an all-time record. So there you go. You think of their offense right now and you're like, you take Kyle Pitts out of it and they feel doomed. Like how do you give Michael Pinnock's any chance at being a success if you're just deleting Kyle Pitts from this offense? And it's Drake London who dealt with injuries and no one else in the receiver room. So that'll be interesting. Kirk Cousin is going to get released. So it'll be Michael Pinnock's with another shot. Do you think it works out? Kyle's listening with Bated Brow. I am hopeful? Nope, nope. Nope, I lied. I lied. I'm very, very skeptical. I'm hopeful in terms of I want it to work because I want every quarterback to work. I'm not hopeful thinking it will work. Kyle's thoughts are, quote, nothing will ever work out. That's a very Arizona Cardinals, New York Jets, Cleveland Browns. He's good.

I still think those four teams we should pool our players. I mean, let's figure this thing out. Seahawks, unlikely, it was first reported that they would, or might consider it, but now unlikely to franchise or transition tag. Super Bowl MVP, Kenneth Walker. Get that's money, Ken. You want him to leave? Or you just want him to sign a big deal there? I just want, I want my, I want my guy to get paid. And I mean, yeah. There's a couple spots I'd rather him go to. Because Charbonnet will come back. The ACL is not the end of Charb's career. No. It's not the end of Zach Gertz's career either. Oh my gosh. This guy. But like Walker coming back, he'll have, you know, despite what happened there at the end in the playoffs where they had no choice and they have to keep giving him the ball over and over. To great success, I might add Super Bowl MVP. But like.

If Charbonnet had torn his ACL in week five or six, like they wouldn't have gone just Walker. They would go get someone else to have the complimentary piece. So if he goes back to Seattle, you know what it will be. That's where it's, I don't necessarily want him to go back selfishly for my. dynasty. Yeah, and then, you know, I know injuries never concern you, but it's one of those things where it's like, did his success come by them managing? Is that the situation where Ken Walker's best in this league? Could be. Managed reps, not every rep. But this one just blows my mind. I feel like we could spend forever in the news with what we have here. The Jets will quote, probably, according to the athletic Zach Rosenblot, probably use the franchise tag on Brees Hall.

Look, I understand, let me say something. I understand that they got no idea what they're doing. You're a professional athlete. You're one of the, I believe, 027% of the kids that grow up to become a professional athlete. I'm talking to Breeze. So I'm saying all this to say, I understand like how fortunate he is to be a professional running back. But of all the players I've ever known, he feels the most in prison than anybody I've ever, I just. How do you not, you don't like him, but you keep him. It's like a dysfunctional marriage or something. Just let him go. Let him go be free. Yeah, he will. It's better for the kids. I mean, like if, if he signs and plays on the franchise tag, yes, we're talking a lot of money for him, but then nothing guaranteed for the future. Like, you play on the franchise tag. Franchise tags for running backs is just.

awful. You're saying because their windows are so small to make money. If he goes out on the franchise tag, blows up his knee. Kyle, figure out what that number is going to be this year. Because we got like CMC's contract. You've got some big contracts out there. I wonder if it represents two or three years with the money in some regards. It could. But yeah, to me it's just weird. It feels like vindictive. Kyle's saying 14 and a half. I mean, that's a lot of money. I know. It's a lot of money. But it's like, Brees Hall in the open market, Brees Hall gets more than 14 and a half guaranteed. He does, but he should probably get that after this year. Yeah. But yeah, I get what you're saying. Also, you don't want to spend your entire career playing for garbage. It feels like the more he wants out, the more they want to keep him. The trade deadline felt vindictive and stupid.

They could have gotten money or picks for him then. And then now it feels like maybe there's a trade in the works. Maybe it's just let's get assets. Let's franchise him and trade him. I don't know. Tyree Kill has been released. Okay. Congratulations, I guess. There's part of me that feels like it's Kansas City or bus for his return. I don't think he's going back. Yeah. And he still has a nebulous legal surroundings. Oh, let's talk about. Oh, hey. Rashi Rice. You know, the news was not all just like basic bullet point news. Because we also, I mean, we got the super tragic news about Rondale Moore. Yes. Who, you know, we're out in Arizona. I mean, Arizona drafted Rondale Moore. He was a part of this franchise for a long period of time. I mean, there's no, you know.

seemingly okay way to even react to that news because it's just just report it it's super tragic and sad and you know he had gone through catastrophic injuries and multiple years in a row and um when we talk about him on the show not him but like injuries it's just like a it's like a sentence yeah like for us it's a sentence of like uh okay this guy tore his ACL for the player it's like you know it's it's years of rehabilitation and work and time and all the implications for your career and life's work and we don't know what's going on. Instead of getting to play the games, you're just trying to fix your knee. Yeah, and this is not a player with a secured. It's not like his entire future in the NFL was secured coming back from injury either. So it's really sad to get that news. So we do have other chiefs news, the restructuring of Mahomes contract to save the money. And then the Rashi Rice news.

He was accused, according to TMZ, of violent and abusive behaviors in a lawsuit. It's a civil lawsuit. The news around Rashi Rice, this time of year from about February to September, not really been great. No. No, it has not. There was also rumors for Kansas City about their interest in Travis E.T.N., which probably the biggest reason that Jason would like to be here right in this moment, is to think about his dynasty teams with Travis E.N. landing in Kansas City. It would be. Pretty good. He's a free agent. So he gets to choose his destination. Pretty good. Not everyone can go to Kansas City and have like superstar success. Travis E.T.N. would be awesome there. He would. Zach Ertz is expected to return for a 14th season. And to be clear from his ACL injury, which was in week 14 of last year by week one, I looked at the career numbers for Zach Ertz. It feels like the world tried to retire him after 2020.

And this will be six seasons since then if he plays this year. Right. So he's kind of sticking it to you, Mike. He won't get out of the way. He, yeah. And I hate what Zach Hertz has become in my life. He's a roadblock to all your other players. Yes, because Zach Ernst is an all-timer. Like he, I think he's like top 10 in receptions and yards at the position in the history of the NFL. He is an all-time player. Great player can still help a team. But yeah, I mean, it was like Zach Ertz was in the way of Tray McBride. You like, you couldn't get who is now we look at one of the best tight ends in the league. I think he has more coaches than Jason Whitten. I think he has more career catches. Is crazy. There were there were multiple years where it was like, dude, PPR Zackertz. It was awesome. But in the way of.

What? Nothing, man. Nothing. We got the falcon back there. Giggling because you said, peepee. I mean, it just, it was a normal sentence. Okay. But, okay. You know. Grow up. Goodness gracious. He can't even raise his head. But he was, so he does not have, he was a one year contract with Washington. It has, as I assume we're referring to Ben's Senate, who we are. I still. I have a hope that he'll just get a chance. I can. That's where it starts. Of course. You just want to get a chance and see if it will actually work. So where will he go? What team would Washington actually bring him back? Not completely sure. Well, one more for you, Mike. The Patriots. Ah, yes. Patriots have officially released Antonio Gibson. Yeah. I mean, that was pretty inevitable. All right. We'll take a break. We'll come back with some mailbag. All right. Let's get into it. Mailbag. Do you have a nice break?

I had a delightful break. Yeah. Did you think about football very much? I mean, I was still checking in on the Twitter X machine just so I can stay apprised of the news. But I was trying to unplug. Trying my best. You went up north for a little bit, didn't you? Yeah, oh yeah. Those red rocks. I got healed in the vortex. Sedona? Yeah. How long were you up there? Three nights. Oh, that's nice. Look out. The vortex will get you. They're everywhere there. I don't even know what they are. I don't know what they are. I don't know what. Is that an aliens thing? It's an energy. Oh, is there. Crystals and up in the vortex? The vortexes? Brother, I couldn't not know what you're saying more. Also, how would it like when someone says vortex, I imagine like literally a tornado. Yeah, that's what I picture. But it's violent and it's probably got some lightning in it. But this is a healing tornado. It does the opposite. It puts stuff back together.

Honestly, at this point, I'm really glad I wasn't up there after all that you said. It was awesome. All right, we're into the mailbag. If you have a question, go to the website, the fantasy footballers.com. Click that, submit a question button or dial our voicemail hotline. 302464 TFFB. Looks like we got a voicemail question. Not sure I'm a fan of the topic. Let's find out. Hey, ballers. What on earth do I do with Kyler Murray and Dynasty? Help me out. I feel like this is going to be a fun one to talk about on the show. Take care. All right. Kyler Murray in Dynasty. My current thought process and belief is I think he's the quarterback of the Arizona Cardinals this year. I know there's a lot of smoke. So I'm not saying it would.

It won't be surprising if he's moving on. I just believe that where the Cardinals are, with the contract situation, that he probably just ends up playing it out in 2026. He's a $52 million cap hit right now in 26, and then it drops substantially down to a 7.2 if they were to cut him after this year. But I think he ends up just in Arizona. You need to hold on to him. Let the new scent of Lefleur as, or I'm sorry, the scent of McVeigh by way of LaFleur coming in. Let that give you some hope. Everyone right now is, you know, like they're looking at Minnesota and it's like, who can we get to Minnesota? How do we get quarterbacks to Minnesota? I think Kyler's in Arizona and I think that J.J. McCarthy is the starting quarterback for Minnesota despite.

what all the media is is trying to do right now. Yeah, I'm really curious. So I would just be holding. What's going to happen? Yeah, I think there's no way his value can be lower than right now. Correct. There's probably no player with a more negative sentiment that's potentially fantasy valuable if they're a starter. Then Kyler Murray. Nobody's interested. They've all decided that they're out. I don't know if he'll be in Arizona or not because I don't really know who's pulling the strings there. Like you bring in the floor as sort of. You waited a long time to bring him in. You wanted Kubiak. You know, Bidwell is kind of controlling. Oh, man. You see people talking to Bidwell again. Yeah, about him being the president. Yeah. And he's like, well, no, I'm the president. I know. And you're like, we know, we know, we know. You're doing a bad job. We know little guy. A bad job. We know, buddy. We know you got, you got you on the team, buddy. You did a, you worked real hard and you got the team. The numbers are staggering.

for NFL teams of owners who make themselves the president versus owners who brings someone in to be a president. The teams that bring someone else in far, far more success. I wonder why. I wonder why bringing in a full-time person who's like, you're a, you are a football, you can be the president. You could be the manager of the football team over the guy who just. got the team. And all that to say, I think it's going to kind of be up to them. Do they want the reset, like, psychologically in Arizona? Because you bring in a new coach, you let go of Gannon. There's part of me that thinks that they, whether it's the right decision or not, Leflore might not get the say in it, and they may just want the reset. They might. A new coach, new quarterback. Is it Malik Willis? Is it Tyson Bajent? Tyler Bajit, right? What secret Bajit man? You didn't know this?