Keep/Trade/Cut + Herbert Outlook, Expired Milk - Fantasy Football Podcast for 6/3

to be in the same tier. Robert Woods, consistent, top 17 wide receiver, three straight years, Matthew Stafford and company, Adam Thieland. We've talked a lot about him on the show, but big touchdown totals last year. And then DJ Moore, we need more touchdowns from him, but he's an explosive player and Sam Darnold. So I go ahead, Jay. I was going to say I'll let Mike go first because I've been, I hopped in first on these last two and I don't want to.

Have the new guy come in and steal the show. Okay. So Sam Darnold, at least his first couple of years in the league, was sustaining a touchdown percentage over four until Adam Gase completely broke him. Last year, and it dropped down to two and a half. Two and a half percent got so bad. That's unfathomably bad. I feel like Andy could do that. Two and a half percent? Yeah, I think you could do that. Thanks, guys. You're two and a half percent type of fellow. Yeah.

I like my touchdown percent like I like my milk. That's right. Two and a half. That was not a good one. It was so close. Like if it was two percent, that would have made complete sense. I was going to make a milk joke soon. I was in on it, but it's like two and a half is not a, it's not a milk. It's just close to a milk. It's 0.5% closer to the cream, which rises to the top. There you go. So Adam Thielen, I am.

I am very concerned. I am concerned just with the age, it feels like maybe the cliff is coming for Adam feeling, even though he caught a whole bunch of touchdowns. You saw nine games with four or fewer receptions last year. That is not, that's not the volume I need from someone who's supposed to be a possession wide receiver. And Robert Woods, very, very safe. But, man, I guess I'll jump it.

I guess I would take, I'm going to keep DJ Moore. I'm going to go one more time with it. I know all the arguments are last year's arguments, but you still had eight games of more than 90 yards. Like DJ Moore, I had him on my team. And I played him basically every single week throughout that stretch. And while the fantasy finish, you can look at them and his finishes were not necessarily great.

Like, oh, he's outside of the top 24. 40% bust rate, yeah. Yeah, but it never felt like DJ Moore was killing my team. So you didn't start him for 40% of the game. I was going to say, here's the tough thing for me. I do, I believe Caroline's going to throw the ball to Dan Arnold a ton. That's all Dan Arnold does. They signed him to come in and play past catching tight-in. I believe that Christian McCaffrey. The kid just wants to catch rocks. That's right. There's a world where DJ Moore, like, DJ Moore.

If I had to put the odds on it, he's the third leading receiver on the team in terms of receptions. You're saying behind McCaffrey and Robbie Anderson in total volume. And that's not a reality or a possibility for Robert Woods or for Adam Thielen. So if I'm looking through that lens, I'm just going to go ahead and keep Robert Woods. I'm going to keep that safe option there. I'm going to trade, I guess, DJ more to Mike, or I'll trade Thielen away and I'll cut more.

Yeah, I'm with you on the keep, Andy. I'm keeping Robert Woods here. It doesn't feel great to keep Robert Woods here for some reason. See, here's a thing. He's not shiny. It does to me because I know he's always going to outproduce this value. He's not shiny, but we're talking about tier five whiteouts, right? So presumably I've already gotten a whiteout or two on my roster. I've got the high upside guys, which are usually sometimes more volatile because they've got the deep ball ability. Robert Woods is a stabilizing force in my wide receiver two spot. I love that.

And then when I compare Adam Thielen to DJ Moore, and I'm like, who would I rather draft? Now, Adam Thielen has done it. He is proven. He is far more reliable historically than the DJ more disappointments. But when I look at 2021 and I say, what could happen? And what are the probabilities of what will happen? Can Adam Thielen break out, do better than last year? I just don't see that happening. I think his touchdowns are going to come down. Also within the.

realm of possibility is that this is the year the wheels fall off. He's going to be 31 years old. I don't think that happens. But it's at least something I consider when I look at his age. With DJ Moore, if he sucks, he sucks the way he sucked last year, which he was the wide receiver 22. So I don't think he's going to get worse than that. He had no touchdowns. But within his range of possibilities is a breakout. So I would keep Robert Woods.

then DJ Moore would be second, so he'd be my trade. And then sadly I'm cutting Adam Thielen, who is still a player that I think will have a solid season. Not hooked on a Thielen anymore. Not hooked on a Thielen. And yet the bust rate I get it for DJ Moore was high, but on our consistency. See, I remember you. I was very bullish on DJ. No, that's not my point. My point is I, you might not remember this, but you.

The DJ Moore ride, you didn't like it. I remember you're not liking that ride through the first nine weeks. You got the, you got like explosive play that happened against New Orleans. But I remember you being kind of. Was I? Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, my statistical point was DJ Moore hit our, our benchmark for a usable game 50% of the time. And Robert Woods, Mr. Reliable, 56% of the time. Unbelievable difference. So.

So you tell me Woods is better. Got it. I'm telling you that for a 6% more consistency, I will take. You're hooked on the ceiling. I'll take the big guy. All right. Very important keep trade cut here, guys. And I, look, I wouldn't ever bring this up on my own accord, but look, it's in the show doc. This is being titled the Elmer's glue of the fantasy footballers. You've got producer Al Borland. Okay. Okay. You've got from Arizona. You've got Judge Diomadi.

Also from Arizona. Okay. But you also have our editor-in-chief of Borgogan. Oh, man. Kyle himself. And he's from Atlanta. And we don't get three cuts? We have to. That's ridiculous. We do have to keep one of them. I feel like I'm looking. I'm like, well, can I just go waiver wire? Can I pick something up after the draft? Can I read you their trading cards real quick? I mean, I need to break this down. I need more details here. Al, he's the oldest of the bunch. So I don't know if he's over the hill here. He's 38. 38. Oh, 38.1. Age problems for sure.

Um, has some knee problems, speed score issues. Uh, we know the, ow, ow, ow, ow, ow, that was more of a, that was Achilles. Yeah, it was a, no, it was Achilles for him. It wasn't, but in his mind, it was definitely Achilles injury. And then, um, he was never going to play again. He took the wonder lick. He's an award winning liar. We know that from this. Oh, that is true. Yeah. Al, you are an outstanding liar. Yeah. And then Judge Diomati is a mere 34.2 years old. Okay. Okay.

Speed score. I think we know that he raced to the ocean faster than, I mean, if this was a race, he's the key. A lot of heart. Practice his law. Filthy rich. Filthy rich. Dirty. That is one of the things we need to keep in mind here is that he could help support. We need a great entire show. Give us a grant. Yeah. The John Hammond of the show. Yeah. So, you know, so far when I'm comparing that, you know, youth.

clearly toughness you know i've never heard the owie um but let's what are our third options yeah yeah i understand you're making some determinations the last one obviously kyle the borgogan editor-in chief he's 33.8 years old really yeah he's the youngest of the bunch that's shocking have you seen this guy he owns some books owns them right he's always in front of his library not a not a renter

No, no, no library stuff. No, he's got his own library. What if? And then he wants us to look at his peloton numbers for the speed score. They are impressive. Is he rigging that machine? Yes. Okay. Well, certainly. Man, that's like, do you remember back of the day? Would we let him go immediately if we knew he was rigging his peloton numbers? He ties bricks under his feet so that it's harder in the beginning, but once you're going, you don't have to, you don't have to do anything.

Have you ever gotten going so fast on one of those, though, where you're like, you have, you can't stop immediately unless your feet are going to fly off? Do you guys remember the NES game mat? Yeah, the power pad. The power pad where you'd run and all I would do is I would get down on my hands and knees and just. Oh, with my hands. Of course, because that's what everybody did. The cheetah. Oh, man, I was so fast.

You don't do the hands on the peloton to get the numbers up? No, that's, yes. I just sit on the floor and I roll those things. So keep trade cut here. I mean, I don't like being put in this position. No, I'm not. Without multiple cuts. Between these guys. I love all three. Couldn't do any of this without them. And even though I want to cut all of them, I'm going to keep all of them. Oh. Yeah, sweet. Mike. Mike, are you more vicious? I mean.

I will just go, this is a matter of practicality. The judge was here first. Okay. Oh, the judge is kept. Right. Second was owl. And the wealth. And the money. Mostly the money. Yeah, I think the name of the keep trade cut, Elmer's glue of the company, kind of indicts the cutting of anybody. Right. I mean, we need all the, all the pieces. Who made this show doc? I'm piled it. I'm very gluey.

Kyle made the show doc? Yeah, he gets the cut. We kind of keep things together. Yeah, Kyle gets the cut. Yeah, he's out. He's out. Yeah, plus he's fudging those Peloton numbers. For sure. Those can't be real. Let's do some mailbag. Mailbag. I like that. I like that Kyle's just trying to. Now go. Yes. Thank you. Kyle's just trying to work himself into the dock a little too much. That's what I think. That's clearly. We go. Yeah, we didn't put that down as one of this. When I think of.

a man who has no humility. Right. That's the Borgogun. Right. It's Himmer Brooks for sure. Right. Here we go. We've got a voicemail question to kick off the mailbag. If you have a question, you can dial the voicemail hotline 302-464 TFFB or click the submit a question button. From Kentucky. I would wonder if you would. Okay. I would. Ooh. I know. I know. Well, that, I don't hate- There goes to the arguments. I don't hate Cortland Sutton, but I would. I would do that, Trey.

I mean, you know based on the last show, I think very highly of Cortland Sutton's future and his present. And the 109 is obviously going to be younger. You have an issue here with Cortland Sutton where he's on the last, like if I was going to make the argument against it, Cortland Sutton was a high second round pick. But he doesn't have the 50-hour option. So they're going to have to work out an extension or else, you know, this could be bad.

dynasty outlook for Cortland Sutton. I think from what I'm hearing, they're going to work out a contract, but that's no guarantee. That would be the only reason to not do it. I would take Sutton. It's a good point. Looking at our rookie draft and the way it fell out at the 109, it says you could have grabbed your favorite quarterback. Yeah, Trevor Lawrence. Lance, whoever your favorite was, or you're looking at a positional player like Jalen Waddle from Miami, Rashad Bateman, Baltimore.

Ron Dale Moore, Elijah Moore, those type of guys. Yeah, I would take Portland Sutton over. I would take the player who has proven it in the NFL. Everyone loves rookies, and I like those players, but we know that Cortland isn't going to bust. I agree. I agree. I'll take the player. You name all of those players, and I can see upsides and downsides for all of them. Yeah.

And so you're right in that mix. Now, if Super Flex League throws it out the window, you're not trading that 109. Now, Andy, you saw me notice something and you gave me eyes like, what was that about? Yes. You were, you were reading out our voicemail hotline, and I realized I tried to say it in my head. I have no idea what the numbers. I've heard it. What show is this? This is the show 1500 or so. Okay, so I will never know that. 1059. I will never know that number. So what is the number again? 302.

464? Yeah. FFB? Yeah. Okay. So I will remember it for about 15 seconds after the... Well done. Ask me at the end of the show and we'll see. Okay. All right. We have a dynasty startup draft question from Brandon and Virginia. Do I draft C.D. Lamb or Calvin Ridley? It put into that situation in a dynasty startup league. I'm taking Calvin Ridley. I am taking Calvin Ridley. Without a doubt. This is clear all three of us. I love C.D. Lamb. He's a little bit younger, but he's still got...

to take that leap that Calvin Ridley already did. I think he's a lot of bit younger. 22, Ridley's 26. Ridley's 12. Oh, he's the Alabama guy. Ridley was older. Alabama. But it still doesn't matter to me. I agree. You got to take the guy that's made the jump already. All right. Let's go Terry McLaren versus Mike Evans as your wide receiver two. Instagram question. Oh, man. McLaren or Evans as your wide receiver two?

I mean, this year I will defer to your decision. It's devious because I have in my current projections. I got him so close together. Mike Evans is my wide receiver 14. Terry McLaurin is my wide receiver 15. And this both are going to be solid. But if the ceilings hit for both of them, I think that the ceiling is higher. Like Terry McLaurin could potentially be a top five wide receiver. Can I cheat code this one?