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Playoff Primer + Trade Targets & League Winners | Fantasy Football 2023 - Ep. 1504

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Playoff-primer episode framed by live league rivalry, trade-deadline stress, Hungry for More, and the coming Megalodon Thanksgiving show.

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Today's episode is huge. You do not want to miss a minute. We've got breaking news to talk about with Deshawn Watson. We've got Jason tilting live on the air. And most importantly, we got the playoff prime when we break down all the matchups across all positions, who you need to trade for right now with trade deadlines coming up. You've got to win your championship, and this is the way to do it. Make sure you like and subscribe. Hey, this is Austin Eccler, and you're listening to the Fantasy Footballers podcast. To the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore.

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and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. The Fantasy Footballers Wednesday episode, Jason Moore, present accounted for smirking as the show begins. Dude, I'm telling you, my mind is blown right now at something I'm looking at. I'm just going to tease it here because I know we got, we got the show open to get to, but when we get to hungry for more, I got some stuff that's going to blow your mind. Okay. It's blowing my mind. I don't believe it. That's what you're reacting to. That's what I'm reacting to. I wanted to look something up right before the show for our hungry for more segment. Mind-blown. I don't believe it. Like I literally, I'm looking at, I'm like, this is wrong. And when I present this information here in a few minutes and you clearly figure out why it is wrong and shame me for it. Yeah. We can laugh at my expense because right now my mind is blown. Right now you don't believe what you just saw. I don't believe what I am seeing.

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Okay, that's a... That's pretty good tease, right? That's a professional tease. We have Hungry for More on the show today. NFL News, big time NFL news to talk about. Not just the Thursday night preview, but we also have one of our favorite episodes, the playoff primer. You want to talk about this is the episode you need because we're going to lay out the best and worst schedules, the players with them at every position. heading into kind of the witching hour, so to speak, of the fantasy football season, the moment that you make your push, but then you want to win the championship. You know, look, we want to get there. A lot of you are already in the playoffs. Some of you are fighting for it, and this will matter. But if you're in there, you want a chance to win. And, you know, this year's a little bit funky with the week 13 buy situation because, I mean, I've looked at different trade options in our league, and that's really.

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becoming a problem like the week 13 by like trying to figure out how to navigate that week because there's so many important players missing in week 13 do you have an important matchup personally yeah oh yeah huge who are you playing papa josh fantastic yeah so i play jeremy yeah i know i and jeremy is uh he's he's moved on to 2024 yeah so uh i am thankful I get to play him the remainder of the season as well. I did, you know, I tried to trade with him this morning. That didn't go well. I'm happy to hear that because you have, you have. I'm trying to trade with you too. I know, and I'm, I'm just mad at you because you're making your team very good and better and better. You just traded for a CD Lamb to stack with DAC and probably only one of us makes the playoffs for where our teams are sitting right now. And, you know, I don't want you to get better.

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Yeah, well, look, it's exciting. It'll be fun. It will all play out, Jason. Fantasy football. I'm hungry for more wins. Fantasy football is really fun. Can I just say that? Like, it's really fun. I almost tweeted that this morning. It's just cool. It's just like. I almost tweeted fantasy football is supposed to be fun. Please make sure it's fun. All the ups, all the downs. When I get so upset and angry and full of vitriol, just always directed at you, it's fun. It's still cool. I really enjoy being mad at you. That makes me happy. I mean, I remember last year, you made two moves that I knew were my death. And they led to your championship. And they were the trade for Devanta Smith and they were the trade for Dalton Schultz. And you made both of those moves with great conviction.

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And I won the championship with it, and now that's how I feel about you and your stupid DAC CD stack. Yeah, we'll find out the big news today we'll talk about is going to impact a lot of fantasy players, myself included. A reminder, drop it like it's hot today's waiver day. So those are going to go through soon in our league, and they've already gone through in yours. Make sure you check who's been dropped. You're going to have some bi-week players that are probably hitting the waiver wire that you can pick up for the stretch run. A reminder of the Dynasty podcast. Jason, you were on it this week. You did a trade-a-palooza episode with...

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Matthew Betts and Kyle Borgannoni. Yeah, I mean, people love episodes where there are trade for and tradeaway candidates. That's what we're dealing with. And we're dealing with it from a dynasty perspective. Really valuable show this time of year if you want to have some targets. Yeah. So check that out. That is the fantasy footballer's dynasty podcast. Comes out weekly. New episode this morning. So when you get done with this show and whatever magic is coming in the Hungry for More section, you can turn to that one. for the rest of your workday. And it is one week until the Megalodon episode. It's going to be so long. It's going to be a big one. There are no buys for Thanksgiving. So there will be football and pumpkin pie. And I will be very happy with that on Thursday. All right, let's do it. Welcome to Hungry for More, presented by Uber Eads.

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I just realized the name similarities between our two hungry for more candidates today. I don't even know your name. Okay. Well, I look, should you go first because you teased it already or should I go first to prolong the tease? I'm going to go first because I'm just so excited. I can't tease it out anymore. My hungry for more should be obvious. I'm starving. I've been fasting. I've been fasting for five weeks. It was a forced. Fast. A forced fast. And I am hungry for Devon A. Chan back in my life, baby. He's so good. And it's going to be a real hard decision this week of first week back. Do you put them in your lineup? Do you not? But I want to play a game without a drop that, unexpected, called Who Has More Fantasy Points since Week 3? Keep in mind, Devon A. Chan.

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has not played in five weeks. So his total games played is four games and really it's three because one was a 10% snapshot. So don't look at anything there. Don't look at his stats. Don't look at his production. Don't remind yourself. Okay. So I just want to play. No way to validate if this is true. Got it. Right. Right. Right. You can, you can, the producers keep me honest here. Since week three, so including the, so the last eight weeks, five of which he has not played, who has. More fantasy points. I'll start a little bit easy here. Who has more fantasy points? Devon A. Chan or Devon Singletary? That's A. Chan. It is. How about Devon A. Chan or Tony Pollard? Well, you wouldn't have this segment without that being A. Chan. That's right. He has scored more points since week three than Tony Pollard has. How about Devon A. Chan or Sequin Barkley?

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Who scored more total fantasy points? Without this segment being laid out the way it is, I would have assumed Sequin. It is Devon A-chan. How about Alexander Madison? It's A-chan. How about Najee Harris? It's A-chan. How about Ramandre Stevenson since week three, who has not missed any games? It's Devon A-chan. How about Bijon Robinson? Now we're just getting silly. Now it's getting silly. How about- Joe Mixon, Derek Henry, Isaiah Pacheco, Jamir Gibbs, Maurice Hall. Come on. Or Devon A-chan who hasn't played in five weeks. Who has more total fantasy points? It's Devon A-chan. I'm hungry for more Devon A-chan. Okay. You got a three-course in week three. Yeah. You got 49 fantasy points on the week heard around the world that is.

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going to define this season. To remind everyone of just how insane his three games, his basically only three games of his career were, he is averaging. So like Ken Walker over this course of time, who has scored more fantasy points at Devon A-chan, Ken Walker is averaging 14.3 fantasy points per game. That's really good. Alvin Camara, who's way ahead of him, is averaging 16.9 fantasy points per game. Devon A. Chan in those three games averaged 31.9 fantasy points per game. Every time he touched the ball, it was a chunk play. And so it's one of those things where I have the question. Okay. I have a follow up. We're all hungry for more Devon H.N. I'm personally hungry for him next week, not this week. Right, right. Because I have to play the H.N. Manager. Oh, yes. Look, the matchup this week.

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is a huge issue. So I am. Are they the Raiders? Yeah, I mean, it's a top matchup for Devon A-chan this week. He's playing. Who's he playing? Raiders. Yeah, the Raiders. Sweet mercy. So, and it's at home. But we don't, the window's been open, but we don't have reports yet, right? We don't know if he's going to be active for this game. The last thing I had heard from McDaniels was, things are going according to plan. Okay, so Kyle's confirming. We don't know for sure. So I have said my prayers. Yeah. And I am praying to avoid. Now, I was actually shocked at the Gibbs one because Gibbs's last three games are 23, 27, and 25 fantasy points. Right. Which two of those three, you know, those numbers would have beaten two of Devon A chance three games. But that 49.3 is...

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it's something special what he did against Denver. Yeah. So producers, have you held me accountable? Was my math? I don't see anything wrong. I was doing a little bit of checking. Insane. Yeah. So look. Who's your hungry for more? What a loser that guy is going to be. Here's the question. Yeah, no, mine's a, yours is a Devon. Mine's a Devon. But my question was going to be like, realistically speaking, do you want Gibbs or A. Chan rest of season? Because. Rahim Moster is a fundamental, literally, Rahim Moster is the number one in the NFL in yards per carry still. So Rahim Moster is a really, really talented player. Jeff Wilson's back. He's not being involved that much. Not worried about Jeff Wilson. But when you look at the remaining schedule, if you just look at the playoffs is Denver, Minnesota, Dallas for, oh, that's for Gibbs. For, yeah, it's brutal. It's absolutely brutal for, and that's what the show is, but it's brutal for Devon H. Because it's the Jets.

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Dallas, Baltimore. That's troubling. Yeah, I mean, because you're looking at, like, what's the potential for 30? And I don't know if those are 30 games. The Jets are not great against the run right now. They're unbelievably great in the secondary. You can't pass to any wide receivers on them, barely can pass to tight ends. But the running game isn't that great. Dallas can be run on. Baltimore's tough. It's on the tough championship. So what's your answer? I think because of the current injury, I would rather have Gibbs right now. I'm more confident in his role this week and his health this year. But I want both. That's where I'd be and I would want both. And look, if I'm praying for Devon A. Chan to take an extra week out of pure selfish motivation this week. I am also praying that Damien Pierce takes another week because I am hungry for more career highs from Devin Singletary, 30 carries last week.

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career high, 150 yards, career high. I played 81% of snaps, was the running back three, was an exceptionally important player for a lot of fantasy teams, and he plays the Arizona Cardinals this week at home. And I will be checking the Twitter sphere and all the beat riders and all the news to find out the practice habits of Damien Pierce this week. Now, I have both, and I would play Singletary if Pierce was active this week. Yes. The matchup is very good. There's a decent probability they're out in front. But I am hungry for more opportunity for Singletary. They have a really good offense. They're playoff bound right now in Houston. And, you know, it's weird. You get to this time of year. And I've been, unfortunately, way too deep into fantasy football trade universe over the last 15 or so hours. I'm talking like levels that are embarrassing.

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Oh, I am well aware the amount of trade offers and conversations and trade partners that you have. Like you have some kind of transmitted disease. I have seven trade offers out right now. And I made a big trade last night. And my wife, she had some stuff going on last night. And that was really bad for me because I could sit in my bed and just I was looking at playoff rosters. I was looking at. players to trade for. And what I realized, and where I'm getting with this, and I'm sorry, listeners, for taking so long, is that you do get to this part of the year and you look at people who won championship last year, and there are the singletaries of the group. You could sit here at the trade deadline and say, well, I don't like Devon Singletary's name relative to, I don't know, Tony Pollard's name. But last year you had Jerich McKinnon who literally set the league on fire for a three-week span.

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and didn't do anything before that. And there are players out there where, like, you, everybody wants to, like, kind of get ready for the playoffs and so you want to build your list of names on your team. And sometimes it's going to be the movie you didn't make or the player you win into the playoffs with. And I'm not saying Singletary is going to have long term top 10 value, him specifically. But there are going to be some names like that. There always are names like that. Every single year, there will be a, a player who hasn't really been discussed at this point yet, who is sitting on waivers, who will help people win championships because it happens every single year. That's why people that, you know, if you want to win your championship, obviously you're listening right now, but the people that keep listening to shows like this, keep playing through the season, getting the waiver wire gyms towards the end of the year, they just win more championships. It's just true.

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I now only have four trade offers out because three of them were actively rejected by Al Borland. Wow. Thank you, Al. Well, collusion. Collusion. That was hungry for more, presented by Uber Eats. Get almost, almost anything delivered with Uber Eats. Defense? Uh-uh. Deodorant? Yep. Yeah, you can do that. Order now on the app. Product availability may vary by region. See the app for details. Look, the hits keep coming. Big news. News and notes from Around the League. Presented by USAA Insurance. It could have been coincidence that Jason was the one that broke this news to our Slack channel this morning, but I choose to believe it was somehow you created the news. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I made this happen. Brown's quarterback Deshaun Watson will undergo season-ending shoulder surgery. An MRI revealed a displaced fracture that were required. I didn't even realize it was displaced. That's insane that he played through that game.

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He has a high ankle sprain as well. He's done. Like he's not playing another down for the Browns. He played through this injury in the high ankle sprain and completed every pass in the second half and led them to a win. Wait, what? Yeah, are you reading what Jordan Schultz? Are you reading what Jordan Schultz is reporting? Yeah, is this brand new news? Breaking news within the breaking news. It's crazy. The Browns are planning on starting Dorian Thompson. And I am planning on starting the Pittsburgh Steelers DST. Totally related to that news. And the reason Andy is freaking out here is because one of his important pieces on his roster is Amari Cooper, who RIP. Because if Dorian Thompson Robinson is the quarterback, you cannot play.

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Amari Cooper. Not with confidence. I was going to make the point here that while Watson has been subpar, he has been measurably better than PJ Walker in every type of metric. It's true. But PJ Walker has been measurably better than Dorian Thompson Robinson in every metric. I mean, the only thing that I can say to the defense of Dorian Thompson Robinson is he played one game and he did it unexpectedly. Right. However. What the heck, man. This is not just a problem now for Amari Cooper. Yes, that is a red alert. Now, Amari Cooper under PJ Walker had a higher target share than he even did under Deshaun Watson. 25%. So you can look at that and say, look, they played tougher matchups in those weeks. That PJ Walker was the quarterback than they did when Watson was. And you could say, look, he took his shots with Cooper. Cooper comes down with some tough catches. He'll be fine. But Dorian Thompson opens up a whole new universe of pain for fantasy managers.

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because he will run the football, which will eliminate running opportunities. And now I am worried about Jerome Ford because this offense if it can't get first downs is going to be a huge problem. Now they're going to be able to play great defense. They're going to run the football. But this is really red alert. And here we are with another quarterback injury. Yeah, I mean, in. And Josh Jobs was their backup to start the year. What are you doing, Cleveland? In week three. I'm sorry, week four was when we saw Dorian Thompson Robinson have the kind of unexpected surprise start. In that game, he completed 53% of his passes. Three of the incompletions were actually completions to the other team. Three interceptions, no touchdowns. The team scored three total points that game. Now, Grant, it was against Baltimore. Okay.

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And at the time, we thought Baltimore's defense was a little banged up and they should have been able to. Baltimore has proven that their defense is just elite this year. They're one of the best. They are technically the second best defense in the league. Statistically speaking. And he didn't get the practice, the starting practice that week. So things are going to be better for Dorian Thompson Robinson than they were for that week for start. But. He is not good enough to be good for fantasy assets. I mean, I would be scared of every brown until proven otherwise. He rushed for 647 yards for UCLA, 12 touchdowns on the ground in 2022. Completed 70% of his passes 3,000 yards, 27 touchdowns. He was certainly a special player in college, but it's a tall task now. Yeah. It's going to be very, very interesting.

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goodness. I didn't see that DTR news until just now. I'm so happy to hear that. That was entertaining for me to watch. I don't know what to think right now. I would need to end this show. I got trades to make. Oh, please stop it. Justin Fields expected to start in week 11. Should be back out there. Should be a seven week trial for Justin Fields for Chicago because they are primed to potentially have the top pick in the draft. It's not just a trial. It's a showcase. Sure. Right? Because they will either be keeping him and trading what is almost guaranteed the number one pick. I mean, maybe Carolina gets the number two pick, but they've got a top two pick coming their way from the Carolina Panthers. So this is we either will use that pick and draft Caleb Williams or whoever they want and then look to trade fields or they're going to say.

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Fields did so good at the end of this coming season that we are going to trade the pick. So TBD, but they're going to want him to do his best to showcase him. The matchup against Detroit this week is pretty good for, it's not a bad matchup for quarterbacks. Oh, okay. Pat Frymuth, 21-day window open. They expect them to be back out there on the field this week for the Steelers. And the Jets, Jason. The Jets have waived Michael Carter. Oh, yeah. which clears a pathway for Israel, Abanacanda. Abanacanda don't want none unless you got runs, huh? Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. I really liked Izzy as a prospect this year, very speedy, still weighty running back. That being said, it's really bothered me to see third downs and two-minute drills with Michael Carter there catching.

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a lot of dump-offs. There's been games where in garbage time, there's four or five checkdowns to Michael Carter. They should be going to Breece Hall. I do think some of those are going to Delvin Cook. I know you don't want to hear that, but I do think it's going to happen. But it is better to clear the way. Yeah. What I know is that it won't go to Michael Carter anymore because he's not on the team. Yeah, he had such a good rookie season, 4.3 of Carey. He looked really good. Last year, not good. This year, only eight attempts and ruined more of a

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player to ruin others than anything himself. That was today's news notes presented by USAA Insurance. Learn more at USAA.com slash insurance. Quick break back with the TNF preview and our playoff primer. I am still reeling. That is shocking. Oh, the, the DTR News. I mean, I guess there is the, like, PJ Walker is definitely the devil you know. Like, there's not a, there's not a world that he's much better than what we've seen. And there is the chance that DTR, because he's a rookie, because he has a great pedigree, because he'll have a week of practice, because they have a great defense, because they have good running backs. Like there's a world that their offense functions pretty well. Like we said, Watson was not a good player, but I'm a bit thunderstruck. Yeah. Yeah. There's certainly a world where by the end of this season, Amari Cooper is better with DTR than he would have been with Walker. Walker's very, very capped.

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Yeah, that was my thought. All right, TNF preview. Thursday Night Breakdown. Well, we have a rematch from Week 2. The Cincinnati Bengals this week at 5 and 4 travel to Baltimore to take on the 7 and 3 Ravens. The Ravens just lost at home to Deshaun Watson and these Browns, or those Browns. Baltimore minus 4 is the line on the Draft King Sportsbook. The overrunners 46. Baltimore won 2724 in week 2. Yeah, I mean, this is, this was a really, really tough one for me to handicap. I was going through this week's matchups, and like right out of the gate, this game is very interesting. Now, if, if you are the one handicapping it, would it be handicapping? It would be handicapping. Yeah, no, that's nice. That's nice. I like it. Because, to be fair, you're, you're, I don't want to shoot your horn too much, but you're, you're, you're pretty good at handicapping most of these games. So.

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I can tell you what I picked, and I'm not, I picked Baltimore. I'm confident in Baltimore. And the reason being is them losing two at home seems like a non-John Hariball type of thing. But we could get a really, really fun, exciting, not last week, Thursday night football game. All four AFC North teams are in the playoff picture, the Ravens, the Steelers, the Browns, and the Bengals. Bengals are the only team not currently in, and they're on the bubble. But they're the Bengals. Like we expect them to be in the mix towards the end of the season. Burrow and Lamar, I mean, you're not sitting either of those guys down in this matchup, right? No, you're not. And I know that Lamar Jackson has gone back and forth on good games and bad games. In fact, more bad than good for fantasy purposes. Mark Andrews torches the Cincinnati Bengals. It's been a three, three game.

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Bad stretch for Lamar, actually. Yes, but I think it gets right for fantasy. I think Lamar has a good game on the back of Mark Andrews. Mark Andrews has the last three games against Cincinnati, scored a touchdown in each one of them, two different games, eight receptions, one of them, 125 yards. You've been hammering every tight end that plays the Bengals, so you've got to be really confident with. Exactly. Mark Andrews. Yep. But that's kind of where, like, you get to the end of the line in the past catchers, though, don't you for Baltimore? I mean, Bateman's not a consideration. Beckham is banged up and Zay Flowers is not really valuable unless you're in like two points per reception league. No, I'm not really looking to start any of the other pass catchers. I do think you can easily start Gus Edwards.

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Yeah, would you play Gus or Mitchell? I would play Gus Edwards over Keaton Mitchell because I think if they get around the goal line, they'll be able to score touchdowns. Keaton Mitchell just might not have enough work, but I do think you can start Keaton Mitchell this game. He's going to get more and more work, even though last week he only had three carries turned into 39 yards and a touchdown because he's got that breakaway speed. Cincinnati has not been good at stopping the run. This is a bus versus a Ferrari. Like if you went to buy one of them, you'd be really tempted to get that Ferrari. But it's a lot more dangerous. Yeah, you don't even need to buckle up in a bus. No, you don't even put the seatbelt on. Yeah. Are there even seatbelts and buses? Uh, maybe for the driver. Sure. Yeah. But we love one person on this bus. Yeah, I don't, I don't think so. And like, you know, Keith Mitchell is just a small sample size. And it's a divisional game. And Cincinnati's going to be ready to play, I think.

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