Trade Concepts + Dynasty Dilemmas, Kyler Controversy - Fantasy Football Podcast for 3/1

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Oh, welcome in. Tuesday, March 1st. Oh, yeah. It's a good month. Madness. There is that. Yeah. Oh, March. Yeah. I was going more with the birthday madness. Oh, that's true. There are a lot of birthdays around these parts. Yeah, Mike, yours is the first one. Yes. Very soon. Happy almost birthday. Thank you. We have a good show for you today.

Going to talk some dynasty trade questions, get into the news, try to constrain our strong opinions about capital letter press releases being sent out by the likes of our hometown franchise quarterback with typos, yeah.

All caps. I mean, we're talking. No editing. We're talking about that, right, at some point? Yes. We'll get into it. We'll get into it. Yes, we will get into it. And like I said, we'll try to constrain nothing. Join thefoot.com is our fantasy football community. The fantasy footballers.com is the website. And you heard Jason at the top. But you can get a chance to win a listener league spot if you pre-order the Ultimate DraftKit at Ultimate DraftCat.com right now before March 10th. So head over there. Quick question is this. Then we'll get into the news, Mike. So just.

Just hold on a second. Okay. How do you approach making dynasty trades? This question comes in off of Instagram from Holster 33 wants to know your approach for making dynasty trades that actually get done. Yeah, one of the best things about dynasty is I and every dynasty player has about 20 different approaches, right? Because are you in a rebuild? Are you trying to...

stay hot for a championship, but generically speaking, with a broad brush, my favorite trade to make in a Dynasty League, I've pulled this off several times to success. Andy, I've seen you pull this off many times to success, is trading a star player.

Towards the end, not at the end, they're still very, very valuable. This would be like a Dalvin Cook right now, someone that is clearly very valuable for fantasy. But they are going to come with a lot to get Dalvin Cook. And you trade them for a young, up-and-coming prospect. You know, you go and get a J.K. Dobbins.

plus a bunch of other stuff. And then all of a sudden you look back a year or two later and you go, well, J.K. Dobbins is the better asset anyways. Plus, I got all this extra stuff to help me rebuild. That is my favorite. I did that with Julio, turning him into CD Lamb Plus at one point. I just, I think it's the best way to stay competitive and rebuild on the fly. It is very emotionally difficult to do because, and it should be.

Like to make that maneuver, it should feel difficult. Then you know you're on to something because ultimately you have a player that has proven themselves and most of the time you're making a leap on another player that you believe in. So, you know, it was it was girly to get Dalvin Cook before Cook broke out for me in one league. And like you said, Dobbins is a perfect example. Maybe it's a Cam Acres. Maybe it's even Giovante and you end up.

you know, swinging with a McCaffrey or a Dalvin Cook like you said. Didn't you do that as well with Mahomes? Didn't you turn him into like Josh Allen plus a bunch of stuff? Yes. Yeah. And I also traded him for Herbert last year. So it is difficult to do because you, you know, if you have one of the top running backs or players in the league like a, you know, Julio and his prime, it's very easy to see, you know, I can win the title this year with this player.

And that's the balance. That's what makes dynasty interesting is you have teams that are rebuilds. You have teams that are in it for this year and everything in between. Teams with tons of draft capital, teams without draft capital. And generally you are trying to paint a picture of, you know, it seems easier in a dynasty league to do a trade that really works for both teams. I think that's more possible in a dynasty league. And.

You don't know if trades worked for years a lot of the times as well. We have gone back and looked at trades in our long-running Dynasty League that we thought were absolute, you know, home runs. One-sided, lopsided, awful trades for one of them that we were exactly wrong, and it was lopsided, just the complete other direction. And it's why you don't veto trades apart from collusion is because you're actually, when you veto a trade.

you're presuming your knowledge of the future onto the trade as though you know that these players aren't going to get hurt or get in you know go outperform what their expectation is now when you're you know gearing up to make the offer what is your starting point do you come in uh with the with the overwhelming or the i should say coming in with the uh your essentially your ceiling like this is what i'm willing to go with or

Do you generally come in with the headroom of knowing how the dance of the trade, like these unwritten rules of trading that somehow everybody, everyone knows what they are. So how do you go in? Do you go with your best offer or do you?

the majority of the time still start with that wiggle room. I'll hop in here first. I've obviously gotten plenty of trades done, but I don't feel like I get nearly as many trades done as Andy. And I wonder if my approach is wrong because I know what I do. And what I do is neither of those. I don't come in at my ceiling and I don't like...

build and pre-build-in known wiggle room. Unless it's like a draft pick, maybe I'll go, oh, I'm willing to go a second and a lot from a third and I'll go. But otherwise, what I'm usually trying to do is just trying to make a fair deal that I hope is just accepted. And then what happens a lot of times is I'm left with like nowhere to go.

from there because I don't have any piece that, like, is fair enough to just add in. So that's where I'm at. And like I said, I just kind of try to make a deal that works for both parties and push go. But Andy, what do you usually do? I noticed in Dynasty League, sometimes you have to have a conversation to see if you agree about the value of a certain player with somebody. So sometimes you have to say, hey, am I right to think that you value Jalen Waddle more than Deontay Johnson?

You know, those conversations sometimes have to happen before you even start trading because people can value players vastly different in their dynasty. The other thing is the second that you say somebody's on the block to somebody, you've devalued that player. You almost need to manipulate their interest in that player without saying it, you know, which means broader discussions to start. And then, yeah, I guess I would let that guy get into this deal.

Yeah, I guess I would work a running back into that, even though that might have been your agenda all along. Unfortunately, when you say, hey, Zeke's on the block, you've just taken him down one notch or you've eliminated that one manager in the league that's like actually wanting him from coming and finding you. So it's a lot of dancing and gamesmanship. And maybe I've been successful because I've had the patience to deal with that gamesmanship. And I'd say.

One thing I'm recognizing more and more is if I really want a particular player, like, or this is a trade, I want this thing done. It's not, this is not, I've engaged in this trade negotiation, and I could go either way. Like, I like having the discussion. If we get this done, okay. But if I want a player and when I get stingy with, like,

lower picks, you know, or like a gap of the 201 to the 207, those things like that. And I get stingy of like, no, okay, well, no, it's fine. I'm not going to go through it with this because I don't want to move that pick up to the higher two. I regret it like every time. Not getting it done. Yes. And so I've, I've kind of recognized that about, at least me personally, of I'm not going to let.

smaller gaps get in the way of getting the deal done if I really want it to get done. If you've got a guy you want, go get them. Right. Because you're like, well, if I make this concession, you've won because you got what you wanted. And like, I haven't won the trade as much as I want to win the trade. And then it all blows up. And you're like, there's a lot of last word managers. Like I had, they want the last word in the deal. I had an offer all set up.

in this past draft, our rookie draft, to move up in the first round, and the manager wanted some back end move up, and I wasn't willing to give up the move that they exactly wanted. And I said, no, I'm going to gamble. I bet Javante Williams drops to me. Next pick, Javante Williams. And it was just. It wasn't you. No, it was not me. And it was like, I can't believe.

I let this tiny back-end stupid rookie pick get in the way of me getting my guy. And like it just, when I let that stupid crap get in the way, it blows up in your face. This is turned into the fancy footballers on the trade couch, you know, getting psychoanalyzed here, reflecting on past deals, but hopefully. But you don't, you don't have to like overwhelmingly win the trade. If you get the player that you wanted.

You've won because you got what you were going after. Yeah. Yeah, no doubt. Let's jump into the news. News and notes from around the league. Well, we'll start with what we tease. The Ian Rappaport tweeted out a statement from Kyla Murray's agent. Fortunately, I know it's serious because he chose to write in all capitals. Yes. And space very.

Close together. It was so hard to read. It was many paragraphs to explain two points, which is he absolutely wants to see. He wants to be your long-term quarterback. And number two, he desperately wants to win the Super Bowl. And number three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, pay me the money. Give me all of it now. Yeah, it's hard. I think we're all, we're all cardinal fans. We have all been tagged over a thousand times a day by...

listeners of this show wanting our candid thoughts on the Kyla Murray situation. So let me start with the suite before the sour. Okay. And the sweet reality is we want Kyla Murray here. The facts put out in this All Capital's letter are true. We were a three-win team. Three consecutive years we've improved, made the playoffs for the first time in five years. There were parts of the beginning of the season where he was an MVP candidate. I think there's a lot.