Fantasy Football - Week 12 Waivers & Streamers + Playoff Stretch! - Podcast for 11/18

to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Hi, welcome in. The fantasy footballers podcast, Danny Mike and Jason, Tuesday, November 18th. Welcome into the show. Happy to have you with us once again, Waver Day. Three weeks remaining until the fantasy playoffs. Oh, man. Oh, man. He's getting tight. Yeah. You can do it. Put your back into it. Yeah, I mean, the fantasy, the playoffs are on the way. I, you know, I posted this morning, you know, trying to get some consensus on who they, who the, who the number one player people are relying on is for their fantasy playoffs. And there was some, uh, Bucky Irving mixed in there. Oh, no. We need Bucky. We need Trayvion to keep.

Trayvioning. Maybe that'll happen. Justin Jefferson getting some catchable passes. That's the thing. The way that you worded it is it was basically like you're going to win a championship if blank, if who steps up. Yes. And so that's not like I was going to answer the CD DAC stack. Like I've got Jonathan Taylor. Right. But that's not like I assume he's okay. Right. The difference makers are these other guys. Like if Bucky comes back to people who are doing well without Bucky. Bucky is the number one answer. Yeah, I mean, it makes sense because teams are sitting there going, I'll be great if I just have this star player back. Which, I mean, he will just have his role back. I mean, the fact that they have given Sean Tucker who they would love to give zero carries to an opportunity. And Hampton, Hampton was a big answer too. Yeah, Bucky and Hampton coming back from injury, the mystery around that. The DAC and CD stack, Jason, you weren't the only one to mention that one. Ooh, Bill's Stoge replied the fantasy footballers.

All right. If we deliver down the stretch, embrace the pressure. I'm not the one who decides if Ramander Stevenson is on the field. Is the head heavy or is it the crown, Jason? For me, it's the head. Is it heavy as the head? Yeah, heavy as the head that wears the crown. Okay. Okay. Yeah. You know what? I didn't say you were wrong. Oh, yes, you did. I asked. Your tone of your voice. I asked a question. Okay. Heavy as the crown on the big head. Uh, no, let's get back. Let's get back to this. Let's know. Let's get back to that because I, I was shocked. I was shocked. My Twitter was flooded with people who were on my side saying for what?

On how I explained the median. Oh, no, you weren't wrong about the details of it. You were wrong in the mechanism of explaining it. But you got about 600 extra words. It was the league average and it's not. Like that's incorrect. No, I know. I know the median's not the league average. Well, okay. You didn't explain it as eloquently as I did. You're right. You're right. I will let you take over the show for 12 minutes. Check it out. Hey, the top six scoring teams on the week get an extra win. Oh, he did it better. Oh, that's the league median. Super good.

That was really good, Mike. You should have interrupted. You explained it at like the IKEA instructions where it's just the dude who's like, huh? And it's like, well, which side of the board is it? Like, well, this one has little scratches. Is that the one that's painted or is that the one that's the wood? I don't know. Have you been building some IKEA furniture lately? Not like no, not lately, but that little man haunts my dreams. No, no, that they're not good. And they, I feel like Ikea really intentionally. breaks it down into even smaller pieces. Have you guys ever done? This could be built in 11 pieces. Let's make it 70. Let's make it 70. And let's make the hardware. Let's leave out four of them. They want it to be an adventure and you feel accomplished when you put it together. You do. Have you guys ever fully assembled an entire, not tiny thing from IKEA without ever having to whoopsie-dos will go back. Oh, no, no, no. I don't think I've ever done it. One piece. Oh, that goes there? Yeah. And I have definitely finished.

finished a thing where I'm so far along. Yeah. Where I'm like, you don't even know. No, I know. I'm like, I'm not going back. Where it's like the un- It'll probably be good. The unfinished side is now showing. Yes, that is everything. It's the unfinished side of something always pops out. You're holding three planks at the end going, you just, you get to a point. You're like, I can't even go back. I don't know where this mistake was. How do you? Was this on step three? Maybe. I can still put books in here. It works. That's it. You just get the white out. Just paint this up real quick. Three unfinished sides. Five pieces of hardware left over. It's a hard. You can of spray paint can't fix. Oh, my goodness. We got a lot to talk about the Monday Night Football game. We have news. We have waivers. We have our streaming quarterback options on the week and three weeks to go before your fantasy playoffs. You can find us on X at the FF Ballers at Andy Holloway at Jason Moore at FF Hitman.

You can jump into the community, ballersdiscord.com, if you want to do that. I think, I don't know what the total is, Papa Josh. Where are we at in total members on the Discord? I'm thinking between 60 and 70. 66.9. Oh, okay. Nice guys. Nice. All right. Let's move on. Let's talk Cowboys. 3316. I really thought about playing Dallas's defense this week with terror in my heart. Sure. I don't know if a team can look. more regularly inept than the Raiders? Like this is just, if you paint a picture of the worst season you could possibly have, that's basically what they've accomplished. They paid Gino a bunch of money. They traded it for him. He's awful. He's the worst quarterback in football or close to it. Bowers got hurt, missed a bunch of time, finally comes back. He does his job, but no one else is there to do their job. They got rid of a very important Jacobi Myers. They seem like they are definitely missing a wide receiver one.

And the offensive line is by far the worst. It reminds me of watching the Saints over the last two years where it was like just. There's no chance. It's just like I can't enjoy it. I can't. It's the least enjoyable team that isn't running out a, you know, a second round rookie quarterback that really has no shot of being an NFL quarterback. You know, it's like, okay, the Browns. It's not fun to watch, but you expect that. They don't have a quarterback. Gino, this was supposed to be a competent offense with Gentie and Bowers, and it's just... Ginty was six for seven on the ground. I want to do a throwout to make sure people understand that Chip Kelly is the highest paid offensive coordinator in the NFL. What I'm seeing is he's at six. And this is Google AI. I mean, I know Kelly's at six, but then they're saying like the other guys...

The other high earners are like Monkin and Kafka. Well, Kafka's no a coach, but three mil a year. So double that to draft Ashton Genty six, if I'm not mistaken, to give him six carries? This is literally the retread team of the year. I mean, you've got Pete Carroll retread, Chip Kelly retread, Gino Smith retread, Tyler Lockett. Let's bring in another guy. And let's go Tyler Lockett retread on this one. And Rahim Moser, let's get him into the depth of the backfield. It's embarrassing. I am so excited to have the Cleveland defense because they play the Raiders next week. So I'm probably going to bench the rest of my team. I'm going to rely on Miles Garrett alone to win me the week. And thankfully they did involve Ash and Gentie in the receiving game. Eight targets. That was great. But I will say if you didn't watch the game, which hopefully most of you did because it was primetime game.

It wasn't just that the Raiders were down and so they had to throw. They started the game where it was like, it was weird. It was like their first 20 plays, they had like two rushing attempts or something like it was. They're like, oh man, they made that trade for Quinn. We shouldn't even try to run. You know how they have the like sophisticated different streaming options? Sometimes you can watch like the Manning cast or you can watch on prime. You can watch the like all 22 x-ray stuff. Yeah, that thing is I want a button that lets me watch only the possessions of one team.

And I wanted to just, what I'm calling visual muting. Visual muting. I want it to turn off the TV when the Raiders have the ball. Would you? But automatically, you don't have to push the button. No, that's a great feature. Or blur it. I don't want to. It's obscene. So I want it blurred. I would like it to go to the camera. It's just on their coaches. Oh. So it's like we can, I can watch. I want to watch Carol after Chip Kelly calls in his 15th pass in a row just be staring at him like. Do you know who's passing it? What are we doing? Giovante 22 for 93, Pickens, 9 for 144, and a touchdown. George Pickens in this game was a manimal. Yeah. He's pretty much been that in every game. Yeah, but this game was different because he was a tackle breaking machine. He was carrying people. That was because they benched him. Yeah. I couldn't. I, so I was in the, I was finishing up a card stream and I'm.

turning the game on in the corner and i see pickings and and i see cdie standing there and i just assumed they just finished the drive and they're standing there and then someone in the chat starts well they finished the drive well and then so fast and yeah someone in the chat says they're both being punished together and i'm going what are you doing but i guess they're playing the raiders and i get it you want to always we don't know what the circumstance was this is a I mean, I probably, they probably were joyriding during a meeting. It's clearly a disciplinary thing of who knows what happened. I saw. But it's just it these things are so funny to me. Yeah. Speculation of casino time. We'll put our, we'll put our. They're in Vegas. Yeah. Like your best two players. We're going to put them on the bench. We go three and out. And then you're like, you guys learned your lesson. Oh, man. We showed you so good. Now we really need you.

They should have just- Please go catch every pass. Punted it on first down to get that drive over and get them back in. Their punishment is we're passing. I mean, it was basically the same thing. They just lost the clock. All right, we really hammered the Raiders there. We're going to hear about that. No. Also, seedy. Oh, yeah. Seedy, man. You know how many people. It really was more doubt. It was, it was. I agree. Everyone in their stunk. There's a touchdown at the end of the game that would have been very consequential to everybody here in this office. And everybody else out there, I guess. Yeah, I mean, there's nobody this week, very, very, very few people this week, because I actually know one that didn't start DAC in a matchup like this. Nobody that didn't start CD. So this was relevant to all fantasy leagues. And the extra, I know he caught a touchdown, had a good game. Dak was incredible. But more. Give me more. Yeah.

Dropped a wide open touchdown. C.D. was 5 for 66 and a touchdown. Ferguson got back into the end zone. Thank goodness because he only had 16 yards receiving, which I think I, that's one I lost on the fantasy faceoff because I had, that was my green goblin 19 yards for Jake Ferguson and he got 16. Brutal. Hey, hey there, Wheel of Shame. How are you doing? Welcome back. Know what else is brutal? George Pickens 58 for 908 and 7. D.K. Metcalf. 37 for 551 and 5. I knew that was coming. Yeah. Hmm. Well, look, can I blame Aaron Rogers? Sure. Okay. I choose to do that. Yeah, we can. It's convenient. Let's talk some news. News and notes from around the league. Presented by progressive insurance. Jamar Chase has been suspended officially for one game for spitting on Jalen Ramsey. Allegedly. No.

Well, he's appealing. He's appealing. He would have spit on his face. I can watch video and say not allegedly. Well, Jamar Chase in his defense. This is from Jamar in his camp. He's saying that if he would have spit on Jalen Ramsey, he would have spit in his face instead of on the ground or on the jersey. If Jamar Chase, Jamar Chase would not miss. If he was going to spit on someone. I mean, this spitting thing is ridiculous. Stop spitting on people. You know that if you. Everyone. I saw this. I think Damien Harris. He had this really well spoken. Remember the former running back for the for the Pat. Damien Harris came out and he was just talking about this. But he's like, if you do that to somebody just walking down the street. Yes. You actually, that's assault. Yes.

Oh, yeah, the police will get involved. And I know it's spitting, whatever, you're on the field. Don't spit on people. It's so gross and stupid. Like, it's like punching the helmet. But so we obviously do dumb stuff on the field. That's getting a fist fight. I'm going to hit you in your protective helmet. I would love to say that there's, there's no world where I could ever spit on someone, but in the heat of the battle. I don't know, man. Now, we're a fan of, you're seeing red. It's because you're so, you protect the helmet. You're like, ah, I don't know, what am I going to do? I'll spit on you.

Yeah, I mean, we respect a spitball. Well, yeah, but not like straight spit. No, that's ridiculous. If you don't have a straw. No, it's not. If you bring a straw. He pulls a straw out. I brought this for you, Jalen. Yeah, Jalen Ramsey won all of the battles in that game. He did. Except for the one where he got kicked out. But there you go. Tarad Taylor is going to start in week 12 for the Jets. What are you doing, Glenn? You're giving up your competitive advantage. You can't say this that early in the week. The Ravens. They're going to know what you're doing. Oh, man. Play your Ravens. I'll bet the Ravens win now. Yeah, this is crazy. This has been quite the start to the show. Shoulder Sanders expected to start, but they did say Dylan Gabriel, if he gets through concussion protocol, we'll be the starter. The coaching staff has made it very clear. We'll do everything in our power. We do not want Chador to start.

But he probably will. He might. Drake London, PCL, sprain. It's going to be week to week. So at least a week, maybe more for Drake London. Kirk Cousins will once again, who's been awful? Be on his own. Yeah, he'll be on his own. Kyle Pitts should be. No, he should. That's the end of the sentence. He should. He should. He won't. We've had enough teams this year. I'm not, I'm not disagreeing. I think Mooney's a play. I think Pitts is a play. The process makes sense. We've had. Several teams, the Browns, the Jets, and others, where you literally, because of the situation, you just don't play anybody. Mason Taylor should be good. Maybe with Tarad this week, but we'll see. Week eight was the only example we had with Kirk Cousins and no London. Nine targets, nine receptions. So, nine yards? No, 59. No, I'm just, I'm just kidding. Over 10 fancy points of tight in. He should be a play. Yeah. Like if I was playing him, I'd probably play him over Ferguson this week.

So I have in Dynasty, I'm playing Mike this week. Yes. Our two great teams. And I've got Pitts and Andrews and I will be playing Pitts. All right. Well, Michael Pinnock will not be playing. He's on IR. He's going to miss the rest of the regular season with a left knee injury. We talked about it a little bit on the show. Got the confirmation there. And there is still concern that there is damage to the ACL, which he tore twice in college. Man. in 2018 and 2020. Josh Jacobs, knee injury. I'm telling you this. He's like a good ACL tear. No, this Josh, this Josh Jacobs news. I knew coming in because I have Josh Jacobs on him so worried. Oh, you know the news, but you're still worried about what I'm going to say? I knew the news that he, it was good, it was a contusion, maybe even a chance to play this week. But as I'm reading this, suffered a knee contusion and I are is, and then I'm,

And it says in our dog, it says, IR is not a consideration. But I couldn't get past IR. I was so scared. I was like, wait, is this new? Yeah, I mean, we also have word that Marshawn Lloyd might be returning soon to the Packers, who had a great preseason. We're never going to see him in a regular season game. And, I mean, once he plays, I'll believe it. But, man, like Marshall and Lloyd and. And, uh, Manuel. Kendray Miller. Those guys are in sync. Amari Demarcato, high ankle sprain, unlikely to play for the Cardinals in week 12. It'll be Michael Carter in Bam night. Kyle Shanhan said Monday that Brandon Iuk's 21 day practice window will not be open this week. I bet it's never. Wow. I bet it's never weak. It does seem like it will be. Nobody hates each other more than Iyuk in the 49ers. The fact that they had to write him a check and then he just got hurt only added to the already existing hatred between those parties.

It's so weird. Dalton Kincaid, DMP on Monday's walkthrough. CJ Stroud, still a DMP. Goodness, Stroud. So maybe more Davis-Mills. That was News and Note, sponsored by Progressive Insurance, Quote Today, Progressive.com, Progressive Casualty Insurance Company Affiliates and Third Party Insurers. Not available in all states or situations, coverage subject to policy terms, limits, and conditions. We'll take a break and jump into the waiver wire. This episode is brought to you by prize picks. The weather might be changing, but the feeling of being right never gets old. And right now on prize picks, you can get $50 instantly in lineups when you play your first $5. Prizepix is the only app that offers stacks, meaning you can pick the same player up to three times in the same lineup. You like Josh Allen this week? How much?

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That's code footballers to get $50 in lineups after you play that first $5 lineup. Prize picks, it's good to be right. I feel like if the bears were 2 and 8 and we had the same kind of prolonged rant about them at the top of the show after they got whipped on Monday Night Football, we'd hear from a lot of people. Do you think we're going to hear from the Raider loyalist? I... Or are they defeated? Are they fully dead? Bears fans. And first of all, I've got a lot of Bears fans friends. I'm so happy for them. They're standing alone at the top of the division. They are in first place alone. It is awesome. But they are always delusional. Like every year. Fans are. Yeah, but I don't know that the Raiders fans are like Cardinals fans. We're not delusional. No. We hate our team.

Right. When people are like, you guys suck, we're like, darn right, we do. Yeah, get them. Yeah. Get me. I think the Raiders fans know what's going on, and they have to be so frustrated. They want Pete gone, obviously. Wow. They want Pete out. If Pete goes, Chip will go. Gino will go. Yeah. I thought it was, I didn't think it was going to work, work, but. It seemed like the vibe would be better. I thought they would be a better team with Crosby and a little bit of consistency on the office. I truly believe that the crux of it all is entirely on Gino's shoulders. He looks like not the same player as even last year, certainly not two years ago. He used to stand in the pocket collapsing, man barreling down on him. And he was.

He was a dog. He would do what Jacoby Brissette's doing right now. And now this year it's like pressure. He's just his arm strength doesn't look the same. You know, everyone gets to that. His accuracy is terrible. Every pass is just a little off. I mean, that's all it takes to throw these interceptions. Tyler Lockett had a walk-in touchdown. Yeah. And he and Gino threw the wrong route. It was like, dude, what are you doing to me? Well, we'll move on. Let's talk waivers. The waiver wire presented by Jimmy Johns. The Colts, led by Alec Pierce, of course, coming back from the by and the Saints and all of their powerhouse fantasy options come back to your rosters this week. Week 12, we lose the Broncos, Chargers, commanders, and dolphins to the buy. No more H&N this week, no R.J. Harvey. Hampton gets another week off. Broncos need to figure it out, man. The offense is right. Figure out your offense. And the commanders on by as well. And then next week with Thanksgiving.

That's the sound that signifies no by weeks. Yeah. All right, we're getting into... But then there's four more teams the next week. Well, we don't take Thanksgiving off. Yeah, gobble, gobble. Families are busy that week. All right, running back waiver pickups, guys. Who are the top names that you're looking for? I mean, Emmanuel Wilson has to be at the top of the list. Should he... Or should Josh Jacobs miss? And even if Josh Jacobs plays, I would expect we see more Emmanuel Wilson than we normally do. And, you know, he came in and performed admirably against the Giants. 11 for 40 had the touchdown. They will take on Minnesota, which Minnesota is a disaster on offense, which is leading to teams being able to use their running backs a bit more in the second half. So he's at the, he's at the tippy top for me. Yeah, to me there's like four guys, and they're all in similar situations where the starter is injured, we think.

So you've got Emmanuel Wilson where it's like, okay, Josh Jacobs, probably going to miss. There is, there's a chance he doesn't. Sean Tucker looked great, overtook the, the, you know, the leading role. Bucky is back at practice. So is he take another week off? Probably. Bucky's not back. Like Kenneth Gainwell. Do they stick with Tucker or do they go right back to Rashad White? I don't know. They'll stick with Tucker. Do you think you feel like it? Yeah, I do. I think that transition has been made. Kenneth Gainwell. you know, was just unstoppable in relief of Jalen Warren, who we're not sure if Warren will play. And then with the news of Demarcato's high ankle injury, that makes the Cardinals a little bit more interesting. I was lower on Bam Knight and or Michael Carter because there were three of them. So those are the interesting situation. So when you're looking at them to me, I say, okay, well, then let's just talk upside. Who's, you know, the,

the week winner, should they be the guy that week? Who's the most talented? Who's in the best matchup? And I think Kenny Gainwell might be that guy. Against Chicago? Yeah. Yeah, the Sean Tucker matchup would be the Rams. Emmanuel Wilson is Minnesota, but at home. And, you know, I don't, I probably lower the Cardinals down a few pegs just because it is committee between Knight and Carter. They're the least talented of the group. And it's Jacksonville, who, you know, Jacoby's got a good matchup, right? Jacksonville gives up a lot of fantasy points wide receivers, but I'm a little more hesitant about the running backs. Do you have those guys in a specific order where is it just cheapest guy you can get on Fab or do you have a strong conviction around Carter or Bam Knight? Between those two guys, I think Bam Knight is the starter over Michael Carter.

I think Carter got two carries last week. I don't have it in front of me. Obviously, Demarcato was there, but BAM seems like the starter. The Carter catch and touchdown that got called back is still in my head a little bit. I do have Bam Knight one spot ahead right now, but you think Kenny Gainwell tops the list for you? Yeah, I don't have any new information on Jalen Warren. And really, by the time waivers go through tomorrow morning, there will probably be new information that changes. The opinions shared here in the order. And we will update them on our website, you know, obviously right until waivers are going through. So, you know, double check that because it makes a huge difference. I mean, these guys are backups with great opportunity. Gainwell is difficult because just judging the Warren injury, you know, it tweaks the ankle. The Steelers, it was a blowout win. Jalen Warren himself said, oh, I could have gone back in. That doesn't mean he for sure could have.

And then I'm tough. And then you mix in. Most guys would have gotten surgery. On top of that. Like Kenny Gainwell was already taking a lot of snaps in that game before the Warren injury actually happened. I was messaging because we got Warren. You know, Warren was my start of the week. I thought he's going to have a fantastic game. Kyle and I are messaging back and forth. Like, did Warren get hurt? Like what is going on? And the injury had not occurred yet. And so I think Kenny Gainwell. deserves to be up a bit higher. And then I would, between the Cardinals guys and Bayshalt Tutin, I don't know who I would actually want. Well, Tutin, but he came back in the game. Yeah, Tudin's utilization was pretty interesting. They do play each other. Ironically, this week, Tudin and the Jacksonville Jaguars facing Arizona. It, you have more. It was strange. Yeah, you have obviously the excitement of a younger rookie that was getting involved, but.