Fantasy Football - Week 8 Matchups + Wheel of Shame, What Do They Know? - Podcast for 10/24

The Fantasy Footmuller Studio is sponsored by Walmart. To the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. What? That's about... That fits. Hey, hey. But you ever wondered if you're... They did not scold. You ever wondered, like... Sometimes you walk by somebody on the street and you're like, oh, that guy might be on drugs. You ever wondered if you were on drugs? Sometimes? Like maybe I, maybe like yesterday. Yeah. During the show, I was, maybe I was on drugs. Maybe I was on a bunch of drugs. Is this because of your, you're almost upset? It's all of it. It's, okay. It's three things. I mean, it was just an off day. Like, we've had, everyone's had an off day before. Yeah. The Vikings had one. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, the Vikings. Woof.

Carson Wentz. Carson. Sweet fancy Moses. What in the world was that? I think he might have been an incredible agony. Oh, yeah, he definitely was. Well, you know, do some people play it up? I think maybe he was really on the precipice of death. He wasn't Matt Joneson. Why were they keeping him in that ball game? Punishment. Punishment for playing so bad. You're going to go hurt. Go hurt yourself some more. You deserve it. I thought. I mean, I'll just come out and just quickly, as we cover the whole game, I mean, I didn't think Vidal would have a good game. You did persuade me later in the show on some start sits that he would be better, but I didn't think you'd have a good game. He had a great game. I must have been on drugs to think Jordan Mason would have a good game. Jordan Mason was maybe the worst player in the game. Carson Wince. Yeah. Refuses to let go. Jordan Mason had four carries for three yards. I am sorry.

I think I was on drugs. And then, no, we're not done. Oh, okay. Okay. I mean, then I thought they might win the game. I thought the Vikings were the almost upset. So there's, I mean, other than saying Orande Gadsden a bunch of times yesterday on the show, I feel like I just completely missed on this game. It's okay. Let me ask you this. This morning, are you on drugs? We'll see what I say today. Because I'm just hopeful that you're, you know. having a nice good sober morning. I'm hoping, too. Based on the welcome in, I'm not sure. That's fair. That's fair. It was a pretty rough welcome. But hey, Justin Herbert, he looked great, was doing anything he wanted through a bunch of touchdowns, even one to my boy, Trey Harris. But stop using so many weapons. There's too many guys now. Well, the big other storyline was on a team that scored 37 points dominated throughout where your quarterback threw three.

touchdowns and completed a high percentage of his passes and their number one guy through the first month of the season had no targets he must have had a great game no targets for huge hmm yeah and which by the way on my chopped team so that's a great start to the old uh you got bowers no but if i had oh my gosh the curse would have felt yeah bowers will make you safe here here's the problem is yesterday on the show you said this i mean minnesota They didn't show up, right? They're, they're a, Minnesota is the best example of if you don't have a quarterback, nothing else matters because they have a great defense. They have a great head coach. They've got good weapons. They have weapons. But if you don't have a quarterback, the offensive line is still hurting. If you don't have a quarterback, you are the worst team in the league. I mean, it's just, yes, their offensive line is banged up, but they couldn't have looked more inept and the Chargers couldn't have looked better. And yet.

You know, we're here and Quentin Johnson had no targets and no catches. First time in his career, no targets. You know, you set on the show, somebody was going to end up drawing the short straw. And McConkey had the good game. By the way, on his touchdown pass, I don't know if you saw it. Harbaugh came out and said they had double covered Arande Gadsden on the play that McConkey had the touchdown. So already getting the respect. But Gadsden had five for 77 in a touchdown in the first half and took the second half off. Oh, then the defense was like, we should guard that guy more. He's going to be legit. Now, a lot of people out there probably freaking out about the huge issue, like what happened. So now he's done. It's not he's done. It's someone will be left out every single week. You will have games where Keenan Allen will be left out. Keenan was kind of left out. Where lad is left out. And you're going to need to start these guys. Like I will start Quentin Johnson next week.

The beginning of the year, who was the guy that no one could count on for the Chargers, that wide receiver? Lad. Ladd. Yeah. Right? He was at the bottom of the totem pole. And then after a few games, who was the guy that no one can count on? It was Keenan Allen. Mike was like, oh my gosh, show me something. Yeah. And here we are now with Orande Gadsden breaking out. I mean, that is really the headline there, is this as a player that, you know, has been on our waiver show for a couple of weeks. The big fab spin for a lot of people they didn't already have them was last week. And dominant. I mean, really, historically speaking, one of the best starts to a career at tight end that you've ever seen. Sure. Yeah. Will it continue? Is he. It's very exciting. Is he going to also, I mean, he'll probably work into the rotation of guys that will have a bad game. 100%. Every single, no one is.

going to have a complete consistency for this team going forward. It reminds me a little bit like the Patriots feel a little bit like this, but lighter, where you're going to have plenty of good games. If you want them, you've got to start them, but you can absolutely disappear. So it's scary going forward, but they've got a great offense. And the passing weapons really open it up for, you know, Vidal Sassoon. He's not the best running back on the planet. Silky smooth. It was silky smooth. I mean, he's looking really good for this offense. And I was scared at the beginning of that game because Jared Patterson had like three touches and Vidal had like two and then it was all Vidal. And the running of Herbert yesterday. Seven for 62. Vidal just, everything is solid. Like, I mean, a couple great pass block pickups. I mean, that was.

Like, that was kind of the argument for Vidal was after his first huge game was he does, he's not making mistakes. He's doing what they want him to do. And then he's got some juice that should a big play opportunity show up, he can take advantage of it. You know who the leading Russia for Minnesota was? Xavier Scott. At the end of the, at the end of the game. Two for 16. Yeah, I'm two for 16s, you're leading Russia. Five for 15 for Aaron Jones, four for three for Jordan Mason. I'm pretty sure that in about quarter four. of that game j j mccarthy's ankle magically healed uh yeah i say something like so yesterday again i want you guys to put me in rehab or something hey um well here's the thing is is half the time yeah bring up your almost upset you sound insane and then it comes to fruition it the truth is you don't know the future so no i don't and that's okay and it is friday put clan friday

Every Friday we give away a $100 gift card to Fantasychamps.com or you can get trophies and championship belts and rings and fun stuff. The $100 this week goes to Ben Mjorn and had. Okay. Thank you, Mike. That was well done. I mean, this is my people. Ben underscore. Yeah. Miorid and had. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for supporting the show. Join the foot.com. We'll send you that gift card. Let's talk some news. News and notes from around the league. Presented by progressive insurance. I think this was a little, you know, cherry on top for me too. We're seeing this news that Amarion Hampton is still in a walking boot following the Thursday win against the Vikings. The injury happened in week five. I've seen some medical experts saying that because of this, the fact that he's still in a walking boot, it's in their minds it was a fracture of some sort. I mean.

Seems bad. Even if it's non-surgical. So the timeline on Amarian Hampton, according to the people I was reading, they were talking like week 13. Oof. Yeah, I mean, when you come out pretty early and say, when you put on IR, everyone just goes, okay, well, so he misses four games. Obviously, it's minimum. Yeah, that's that's the minimum. And when they came out right away and said, um, This is going to be longer than four weeks. That's usually not, that doesn't mean five. You know what I mean? It's like, oh, well, shoot, we're going to miss an extra game. This is a serious injury. Yeah, and it's really unfortunate because he was well on his way to a big year and we'll see when he comes back. No practice again for A.J. Brown on Thursday with the hamstring. Now you're worried, Jason.

Yeah, I mean, the further in the week you get when the guy's not practicing with a hamstring issue, the more worried you get for sure. I mean, this is great news for me personally as I traded him away and then I have Devante Smith. So we have coach Siriani declining to give a status update on AJ Brown's availability for Sunday. Yeah. Hmm. You know. It's a little ominous. To Rod Taylor remain limited. Briefs Hall remain limited. Garrett Wilson has been ruled out. So the hopes of him returning this week to help. to Rod Taylor are gone. Mason Taylor was added to the injury report with a quad injury. He was a DMP and size gardener was ruled out. The Jets. Goodness gracious. They're beat up. Yeah. Jalen Wattle was listed as a DMP on Thursday due to hamstrings. Hamstrings. Plural. He's got two of them. The thing is that's the maximum you can actually hurt. You can only hurt both. The issue is I believe you could put

all body parts down for Jalen Wano. He is hurt at all times, but he usually plays through it. Yeah. Dalton Kincaid remained limited. Um, oblique injury listed as questionable. Michael Pinnock Jr. limited. Limited. Darnal Mooney limited. Divida Djokin limited. Lamar Jackson remained limited on Thursday with just one hamstring. Everyone is limited. It does. I mean, I, um, I don't know. It looks like Lamar Jackson. It seems like he was seeing that practice again. Yeah, I mean, he's been a limited participant, but it's limited participant three days in a row. He's basically been practicing all week. The Vegas lines certainly seem like Lamar is going to be playing, which is just great for football. Anything else in the news category you guys want to cover? We have, you know, I mean, DJ Moore and DeAndre Swift for the Bears, they were upgraded to a limited practice Thursday.

How about the full practices of Terry McLaren and Devo, Samuel? There we go. Okay, let's get some good news going. Yeah, I've been really struggling with whether Mariotta can be played or not, and I decided this morning the answer was still no. Mm. I mean, in Arrowhead? It's just such a tough match. It's very tough. These short drives, the turnovers are going to be there. Like, Marioita came in in relief last week was four for ten with a pick. I feel like yes, you could get an okay game because of rushing yardage for sure. But even with those weapons, it's not like I would have been excited going into Arrowhead to begin with. And I just think that the, I think that the floor is real bad. Oh, I agree. I think that's the real big worry is you could have a fumble and two picks and, you know, throw no intercept or no touchdowns. And it freaks me out, man. There is optimism that.

Jaden Daniels will only miss this week. Oh, that's... With the hamstring injury, so that's good. That's good news moving forward. And I think this is important information, especially this week. Josh Downs of the Colts was upgraded to a full practice. He had the concussion last week. So, I mean, if you're full practice on Thursday... Yeah, he's going to play. It certainly sounds like you're going to play, which could throw a wrench into the... Do you want to start Josh Downs? Do you want to start Alec Pierce? Those kind of... Them nasty types. Yep, for sure. Which would you play? Between the two of them? Because I think I'd still be on Pierce. I think I'm... Yeah, I think I'm still gonna go Pierce. All right, that was today's news and note, sponsored by Progressive Insurance. Quote today at Progressive.com. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company affiliates and third-party insurers, not available in all states or situations. Coverage subject to policy terms, limits, and conditions. Let's jump into the forecast. Fantasy Forecast, presented by prize picks.

Yesterday we covered the Dolphins, Falcons, Jets, Bengals. Oh, thank goodness we covered that Jets game already. Browns, Patriots, Giants, Eagles. We can do it again if you. No, no. Only if I eat something poisonous, Mike. Okay. I need to get it up. The Bill's Panthers. We also covered that yesterday, too. That's as in throwing out. Yeah, no, yeah, yeah. We got it. Throwing up, Al. Regurgitation. Yeah. For goodness sakes, it's the most you've paid attention back there in a long time. A bunch of children. Regurgit. It's a vomiting joke. Yeah, totally. The Chicago Bears, four and two, the Baltimore Ravens. It's still hard to read it. One in five. Vegas line, Baltimore minus six and a half. The over under is 49 and a half. We'll have Lamar back. Yeah. And, you know, this is still a game that I think will be really interesting. Wait.

I'm surprised. Are you surprised it that much? It's Baltimore almost a touchdown? Yeah. Oh. Yeah, I know. It jumps off the page for me with or without drugs. This is a team that has to win, that has Lamar Jackson back, that is coming off of a buy. At home. I think the expectation here is that they're going to no mess around. It's also a form of not really endorsing the Bears' 4-2 record. I think that's a little disrespectful for that record. You're saying a lot of subtle things with that line. Yeah, you'll get Lamar back. You should get your offensive tackle Ronnie Stanley back. You're going to get Kyle Hamilton back, Roquan Smith. It does, like, this is Baltimore's time to get it going. So kind of make a break. You go one and six. I mean, we're talking about a wild challenge to get back into the picture. I mean, this is fantastic news of,

People had been asking what do you do with the Baltimore Ravens, you know, Henry, who the week before the buy kind of got it going again. But it was just hold on. Lamar will be back soon. And this is a fantastic match for it. Lamar would go right back into my lineup. Derek Henry, while it has not been a King Henry situation, it will be back. It's a good matchup 20th against the run. That's what the Bears defense is. And Zay Flowers. would go right back into my lineup as well. Is he going right into your lineup? He is. He is. He, the, uh, it, D.K. is, D.K. Metcalf is kind of been a placeholder for me this week. Just making sure that Lamar is going to play. But did you just say D.K. Maccalf is the placeholder. That is right. That's what he said for Zay Flowers. That is not, um, I don't think that that is a universal. Well, my team's very good. No, I know, but like moving Zay Flowers into a default position ahead of.

D.K. Metcalf is very interesting, I think. Oh, he's like, I would say that most people in a trade would take D.K. Metcalfe in that trade. Oh, go ahead. Then go trade D.K. McCaff for Zay, Flowers. You're that much higher on Zay Flowers? No, I just, I didn't Metcalf have like three straight top 10 weeks before the disappointing week last week? Yes, but he has been very volatile of you have. I feel like that's the definition of Zayflowers career. Not to, I don't want to over push back because I'm on drugs, but. Like Zay Flowers this year has one good game. Well, they've, I mean, the Baltimore Ravens have had no good games because they've lost Lamar Jackson. So I do forgive that. I mean, you could kind of say, well, it's two good games for Derek Henry. Derek Henry, this is like your last chance to be able to maybe trade for him. The fact that he's passed a buy week helps me push harder for a trade. He's going to score a lot when they win, and I think they're going to be winning a lot down the stretch.

Yeah, by the way, we've said for weeks trade for Zay Flowers while Lamar is hurt, and I'm all in on that. I guess I just was surprised at how clear that was for you. McHuff has been pretty solid. I mean, you know, if you're talking, scoring at least 10 fantasy points, he's done it almost every single week this year. Jay Flowers has, he had the blow up week one, week two was 11 points, and then week three was a dude for sure. And that was with Lamar. Yeah. But then the next – I mean, Kansas City, 7 for 74, Houston, 5 for 72. Throw that poll up, Falcon right now. Who would you rather have rest of the season between those two? I want to see what the results are by the video show. It would be fun. But both are – I mean, to me, both are good plays. I think D.K. is as well. But we'll see what happens with the tight ends. I think you're kind of monitoring, right? You're not maybe –

throwing would you put mark andrews right back out there um yeah i mean you can start him he's a touchdown machine had his career high in touchdowns last year and with uh lamar back there's always a chance of that so i think if i started one right now it would be mark andrews if i don't have to start them like you know if i'm grabbing kind of a wait and see it would actually be isaiah likely that i would rather roster if i'm not starting because we know what mark and is he is a guy who can go out and get a touchdown

And so that will be fine for your fantasy week. But if he doesn't get a touchdown, you're very disappointed. There's a chance that Isaiah likely can develop into an actual possession receiver who's, you know, 75 plus yards on the regular. He was supposed to be a key part of this offense coming into the season. He got injured early. And then as soon as he got back, Lamar got injured. So this will be like our first game to just get eyes on it. Yeah, I've been really, yeah, we'll have to see. You're right. You're right. Right now, 51 votes in. It's two-thirds, Mike. It's two-thirds on the DK side. But we'll see. We'll have a lot more votes in a second. DeAndre Swift, Roma Dunsday, Jason's start of the week. Swift has been getting it done. You can't bench that. And we know all the Ravens' defense has struggled. Yeah. Luther Burden, there was some hope, but he hasn't hit 30% snaps in a game. He is not, he's just not it right now. I think I had made a trade offer for him, but it was predicated on.

The DJ Moore Hospital growing situation. That was the real, what made me go and make that move is like, is there more snaps coming for Luther Burton? And now it's, you know, you got another weapon in Colston, Loveland. I think Loveland is a good stash. Would you rather stash likely or Loveland? Oh, man. I think I'd go, ooh. I'm on the Loveland side. I'm on the Loveland side. Yeah, 228 votes in. 68% DK Maccalf, 32% is eight flowers. Caleb Williams, what are you doing with him this week? It's a buy week for a lot of... Yeah, Caleb is a fine start. He had a very down fantasy game last week. He's only thrown two touchdowns his last three games, but they've been winning and they've been winning via running the ball. They've been up a lot.

in some of these easier games. This is a matchup where, you know, look, if they're six and a half point underdogs on the road in Baltimore, Baltimore's defense, they might be getting healthier, but they aren't healthy by any means. So, yeah, this could turn into a shootout. The San Francisco 49ers at 5 and 2 take on the Houston Texans who are 2 and 4, Houston's at home. I believe we kind of reacted to the line here. Maybe you and I did in the office, Jay. Oh. But Houston is favored by a... point and a half at home in this game, which, I mean, you know, you might be getting Brock Purdy back. What do they know? You, that's, that's a hundred. What do they know? That is 100% my question. Your secrets. George Kittle is back. Purdy could be back. I had that exact thought. What does Vegas know that we don't know? I mean, Nico. And I also know for the fact, for the fact, the betting on the 49ers is like, it's like 70% of all bets for them to win the game.

So it's like, what is going on? Yeah. Nico Collins, Krisha Kirk, still not practicing. I can't imagine that they play. And you, man, you think the Texans are going to beat the 49ers without Nico? Well, I think Nico, we can leave that up in the air for the Friday practice, right? Because we did this routine with Marvin Harrison a week ago where Harrison didn't practice. Practice on Friday quickly got cleared and played on Sunday. I would be amazed that Houston would be a point in a game where they presume he's out. Nico Collins and Christian Kirk are practicing today. That is a tweet from today. Okay. If he's not practicing today, so that would be Friday's practice. Yeah, he won't clear concussion protocol. You have to be progressing. You have to be progressing through it. So. So why are they one and a half point favorite? I don't know. That's what. What do they know? What is this? This is a mystery.

Is this something where we're going to find out that both Brock Purdy and Mac Jones are out? Maybe. That's the kind of thing I'm wondering about it. It's like are both quarterbacks just out of this game? Is Christian McCaffrey lost in a jungle somewhere? Yeah. It's, uh, it's wild. What are we missing? I don't know, man. The Houston, Texas have been trash. They're not good enough to score without Nico Collins. Now the overrunner is just 41 and a half. So they, they're. presuming they're still saying Houston's not going to score very many points because it's 21 and a half implied. defensive battle. Houston is at home and their defense is legit. If you've got a banged-up 49ers offense, maybe that's, you know, how you see it playing out. But it's really tough for me to see pieces on this offense that I want. I don't want to play Woody Marks. Obviously not playing Nick Chubb. I don't even want like, okay. Nick Chubb hit a waiver wire in our league.

Let's say Nico is not active. Let's say Nico and Christian Kirk are not active. I don't even think I want to take a shot at like, obviously someone's going to catch the ball there. If I had to, I'd go Jalen Knoll as my first attempt, but I don't even know if that makes sense. No, I don't. It could be nobody slash Higgins slash Schultz. Yeah. Woody Marks is in this week with all, what is six teams on by? Woody Marks is in play for me. He took over. He was 63% of the snaps, 15 opportunities, five targets. He's done this before. And then they win a game and he is not on the field if they're leading a game. I can. And he was 10 for 15 on the ground. So taking over meant. Well, I just mean taking over the opportunities. I know. I know. I mean, I'm confused by this one. I'm more body. By the way, Brock Purdy is unlikely to play on Sunday according to a new report. So Jones would start again. And this does.

Like George Kittle did nothing last week. He unlocked the running game. Oh, he did a lot. He unlocked the running game. He didn't do anything for your fantasy team. Right, which is kind of what people are paying attention to. He did it for your Christian McCaffrey fans for yours. For yours. Yes. Well, there's many of us out there. And we loved it. I don't know how many people have both that are just like, I'm cool with zero. The Texans are amazing against the tight-in position. Mac Jones, you know, Jason, you're waiting for Brock Purdy to unlock George Kittle in the passing game.

It does throw a little bit of, I mean, low, they're projected to lose. You know, you got a heck of a pass rush in Houston that you're going to need him into block. It puts him into more of a sketchy category than I thought he'd be at at this point in the week. It certainly adds fear to the start, but you're starting him. I mean, he's too good of a player with the ability to go out there and be the number one tight end on the week. any time he's on the field to bench at that position. Obviously, he's been in people's IR, so they've had alternate options throughout the year. So there is start-set decisions with like Dalton Kincaid or Kyle Pitts or, you know, those type of categories. Those wouldn't be to me. The only one that I think you might have picked up early in the off-season or, you know, week one waivers is Jake Ferguson, where I go, okay, okay, maybe I want to just keep rolling with that Dallas offense.

and wait and see on Kittle. Outside of that, I'm starting Kittle, but fearfully because we saw this, you know, last year with Jacksonville when Mack Jones was the quarterback. And also we, we, maybe Mac Jones is a good quarterback and better than Trevor. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Look, Trevor Lawrence stinks. Trevor Lawrence is not a good quarterback. And when Mac Jones came in last year in replacement, all of a sudden Brian Thomas Jr. went crazy. And we were like, oh, well, if the backup can do it, you know, then obviously when Trevor Lawrence comes back, he's going to be even better. But it's like, maybe Mac Jones is better than Trevor Lawrence. Well, he was good for Brian Thomas. He didn't really unlock the offense. He was James Winston for Brian Thomas. Yes. I mean, maybe some of this game line this week has to do with the fact that Mac Jones, the last two weeks.

hasn't thrown a touchdown pass, right? Like, that seems important to functioning as an offense. I mean, um, Chris McCaffrey hogging at all. Last week, yeah. Yeah, they had, uh, they had lost the week before 152 and zero last week for Mac Jones. I said all that to just remind us that when he played for the Jacksville Jaguars last year. He hyper-targeted his one guy, you know, he was just zoned in on one guy, and that's what he did basically every play. So that does make it fearful if George Kittle isn't that, you know, first read for him. Who is it, by the way? Because he had to start a wide receiver. It was Kendrick Bourne for two weeks, and then Bourne had two targets, and Juan Jennings was up to seven. So I don't know that that'll be the case. Is that how you'd play if you had to play a wide receiver? If I had to play one wide receiver from San Francisco, it'd be Juan. Okay.