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Week 14 Matchups + Wheel of Shame, It's FRIDAY! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 12/8

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Week 14 Matchups + Wheel of Shame, It's FRIDAY! | Fantasy Football 2023 - Ep. 1519

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Friday matchup show organized around the Wheel of Shame, the Foot Clan giveaway, Gabe Davis volatility, and an office blood-type experiment.

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the chance that this is a high performing over under, I would stick with Dalton Kincaid this week. I don't expect him to just be irrelevant, go down to three targets because Dawson Knox is back. I think he's going to be a five or six target player. And the difference in the type of targets that Dalton Kincaid gets versus David Najoku, David Najoku is going to get, especially in not great weather, David Najoku is going to get targets that are. Little screenies. Two yards down the field or two yards behind the line of scrimmage. And Don Quake will get a couple of relevant targets down the field. Besides bemoaning the chiefs for not using Rashi Rice more, Mike, what is some actionable advice for the Rice managers this week? Is this a game where you have kind of every week confidence right now to put them in there? Yeah, just not expecting that I have a wide receiver one. But, you know, top.

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24-ish. Drake London against Tampa? Would you roll? Because you liked London this week, too. I do. Do you roll rice? I think I'd go rice, yeah. Especially with, like, if Pacheco is out, I agree with what Jason's, I think Jason you said of. If Pacheco is out, Clyde is not as strong of a runner as Pacheco, and they may have to. back off of that strategy. Yeah, I am very curious because if McKinnon is practicing in full, seems like a fantastic pickup and play, if Isaiah Pacheco is not available. But to what degree? Like, you know, the defense has been good here. Is he to the level on the other side of the field of James Cook or to a Breece Hall who's been struggling and is injured?

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You know, would you play a Jerich McKinnon if he is active and Pacheco is out or a Breece Hall who's been struggling bad weather and just been sucking? I might play McKinnon there. I think you're still going to get low volume with McKinnon. Try to remember. Touchdown opportunities. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So last year when McKinnon turned into the... I mean, he might be ready to do it again. The dominant playoff run. I guess, you know, he had a... A couple games here, 15 and 18 opportunities. It's all targets. So if he's good to go, I guess, yeah, I would play McKinnon over those low-level options with Pacheco out. Yeah, he'll get the targets. Travis Kelsey, weeks 1 through 7, 26% target share, actually above that. The last handful of weeks since week 8, 20% target share. Crazy staff from Dan Orlovsky, too, when the Chiefs and Bills this year.

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When they've allowed 20 or fewer points, the chiefs are 8 and 0, bills are 6 and 0 when allowing 21 or more points, which is not like, that's not extreme for Mahomes, Allen to overcome that. O and 4 and 06. Like they haven't won the shootout at all. But, you know, Kelsey right now, you just play him and you hope that you just rotate into a higher usage. Yeah, I mean, Kelsey's awesome. I know that Taylor Swift has turned him much, much weaker. No, busted. But he's still Travis Kelsey. And so he's not really a question. Anything else from this game you guys want to discuss? I don't think so. Nope. Denver is six and six and they travel to Los Angeles to take on the five and seven chargers. The Draft King Sportsbook line, Los Angeles minus two and a half. The over under is 44.

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Okay, okay. We do not have any word yet that the Chargers will have reinforcements. Josh Palmer, his practice windows open, but I haven't read anything. I've been checking in terms of him being activated and put back out on the field. Chargers talking about rotating the usage of their running backs, trying to get something going on the ground. Josh Kelly has that robust 2.6 yards per carry. I don't think that. rotating maybe you don't have somebody that can get it going on the ground i i watched the i watched the interview the press conference oh i bet you did yeah and um it wasn't something that staley brought up you know of his own volition was like hey we're struggling there we're going to look at making this a competition the question was asked uh to him like the you know

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with the struggles in the running game. Should we see more Josh Kelly? And his answer was, you know, well, yeah, it's a, you know, it's competition. We're always going to self-evaluate, take a look and make sure, you know, that we're getting better. That doesn't mean that the change won't happen. But it made me feel a little bit better that it wasn't. Why didn't he say, no, no, Austin's our guy. We're just going to give him the rock. He'll get it going. But he's been there watching the games too, man. He's seen Austin underperforming. I mean, it doesn't really matter because Kelly can't get it done.

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Kelly is not, Joshua Kelly is not better than this version of Austin Ackley. Is Josh Kelly worth picking up? Because I know several of our legs he's available. Yeah, he's on my waiver priority order currently because I'm a sad man. This guy's got Josh Kelly. Hey, get a load of this guy. Look at this. Look at him. Oh, man. He's got Josh Kelly in his waiver priority. Oh, yeah, you don't want to be mean. Don't stick up Josh Kelly. Don't pick up Josh Kelly. Don't pick up Josh Kelly. Oh, I do think you could. Adjust your chair in orientation to your confidence this weekend to win your matchup and get in the playoffs. Unless you're talking about champ, champ, champ. Oh, yeah. Most important league. Yep. We are going to dominate.

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Oh, man, is Justin Herbert a problem for fantasy managers into the future here with just, you know, an offense is struggling? I think you're... The Broncos defense has been very, very good. I don't remember, actually, I do remember one case of this ever. It was with the Chiefs probably about eight years ago where the first five games, I think they started 0.15. And then all of a sudden this... horrific defense turned into like the league winning defense. That's what's happened with the Broncos where, you know, they gave up 70 points to the dolphins and you targeted them like crazy. There was a point in time where I thought, oh, Caleb Williams is going to be just going to Sean Peyton and Sean Payton's going to start throwing every game. And instead they turned it around. Their defense has been great. They're in the playoff hunt legitimately. They have a better record.

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Then the home chargers here, and the Broncos are going to come to play. So I am not ecstatic about Justin Herbert in this matchup. I'm not crazy about Austin Acker. Keenan's just been so good, and he's the only viable weapon in this offense that obviously you're going to play him, and unfortunately you're going to play Austin Echler. His opportunities have been there. He's still touching the ball a ton. Jordan Love or Justin Herbert? That is a great question. Against the Giants. Yeah, honestly, I just want to check the weather real quick because if it was clear weather, I would go love. I think the answer is love. I'm seeing clear weather for the giant game. It's a huge game. What I mean? There's a giant game. Oh. Okay. Yeah, maybe. No, no, no. No, no. No, I don't mm it. Yeah, that was a good one. Thank you. It's an oversized game. I'll be here all week. Thank you, everybody.

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Go back down in your chair, Jason. We don't need you up at the microphone. I'll chime back in later. Man, it's tough. You know, Kenan Allen, he's a top five fantasy producer this year. You play him. Josh Palmer, you're just waiting. Yeah, I mean, even if he's active this week. No, I give him a week. Yes, I agree with that. Unless you're in, like, crazy desperate. I mean, like I legit play Josh Kelly over him if he was active this week. Josh Kelly over. Josh Palmer. Yeah, just waiting to see what the knee is like in the snaps. Javante Williams on the other side. Yep. Hubba, hubba? I wouldn't go that far. Okay. But, yeah, you can play them. 17 opportunities a game. You got a start of the week in this game, too. Yeah, I do. I like Cortland Sutton against the Chargers secondary. Six touchdowns in his last seven games. It seems inevitable at this point. But that's really your...

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You're, you know, and Russell Wilson. I mean, Russell Wilson, I think he's in play this week. It's a good. Yeah, you could stream him. Streaming situation. And then that's it. That's it. So Sunday night football, the 10 and 2, Philadelphia Eagles, man, this is going to be great. Oh, baby. Nine and three Dallas Cowboys. The draft game sportsbook line, Dallas minus three and a half the under is 52. And look, both teams are going to make the playoffs. So it doesn't make sense to call this a must-win game for Dallas, but I feel like it is. I really do. I feel like it is a must-win game for this team to they would be, they'd have the same record as Philly if they win it. They're favored. They're at home. They're supposed to be able to beat difficult teams, and this would be a precedent setter for the playoffs. This is a must-win game for both teams. As far as you're playing for the chance at the buy. That is everything for these teams. You're playing for a chance for home field through the playoffs.

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You know, there's only three teams really in contention. The Eagles, the Cowboys, and the Niners that can get it. The Eagles control their destiny. If they went out, you know, they've already got the number one. They're still ahead of the Niners despite just losing to the Niners. But if they lose one more, they've now lost the tiebreaker with the Niners. This game is so incredibly important. And the nice thing is DAC has been so on fire that there's... It would be impossible for me to not have confidence that he can get it done in this matchup. This is the number one matchup over the last six weeks for quarterbacks. Andy, congratulations on having that. I don't even need it. I know. That's why I'm happy for you this week. But yeah, let's keep it going. Dak and CD. Fantasy point scores this year, number one, CMC, number two, Tyree Kill, number three, Cidie Lamb.

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So I'm so happy this is Sunday night football. Not just because we get to watch it, but because it's not on the slate for drafting. This would be the entire slate would just be this game. Jake Ferguson leads all NFL pass catchers in Reds on target, somebody that they look to down there, Brandon Cooks. Jason's start of the week. He's been very good. Top 24 and 5 of 7 weeks. Big play guy, going to have the opportunities against the worst. I mean, they give up 46.5 points. the Eagles do to wide receivers per game. That is a lot. It's impressive. And you know 25 of those are C.D. Lamb, but the rest have to go somewhere. So that's what I wanted to bring up. I wanted to bring up Michael Gallup. Michael Gallup last week, one target, the week before one target. He has not been very good. Now, he is still involved. He is still running routes. He's out there, you know, 46% of the snaps, which is somewhat normal for him. Jalen Tolbert, five targets. Jalen Tolbert, three targets. Jailen Tolbert, one target. So would you...

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I mean, my point is... I don't think either guy has a shot. I think that there is a world where the third receiving option here matters for fantasy, and the question is just who is it? Jake Ferguson. Jake Ferguson. Whew, that'd be nice. I like Jake Ferguson. Okay. Did I hear you stomping your feet? I was galloping. What is happening today? What's happening? Did I hit the peewee word of the day? Yeah. He gets it in his little button thing for one week. Yeah, you can take it off after today. Jalen Hertz. Until next Friday. DeAndre Swift, A.J. Brown, Devante Smith, and then the Dallas Goddardt question, are you waiting on Dallas Goddard. The Cowboys are a good matchup, and they could probably use him. But, Mike, you said yesterday you wanted to talk about Devonte Smith and Dallas Goddard in this game. The floor is yours. I wanted to bring up where you're.

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Your level of concern of Dallas Goddard derailing the DeVantza Smith hype train. Last year when Smith caught fire in the second half of the year and was just an incredible league winning type of a player, Dallas Goddard was out. We had the first nine games of the season where DeVantza Smith was averaging 59 yards a game. And then the last three. Without Dallas Goddard, he's over 100 and almost averaging a touchdown a game. So, like, it's now two years in a row that we have seen when they're both on the field. Devons and Smith is still good, but he doesn't become the electric type of guy that we're like, I'm very ability. Like, I'm so glad that I have Devons and Smith in my lineup. So are you, are you letting that information dictate how you view Smith or even like?

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other options over Smith. 60 yards a week is not, that's not going to get it done. Yeah, I definitely think it has an effect on him. I'm just not sure that it pushes him to such a different tier that your decisions are going to be different. I've got the data here over the last two years, eight games where Dallas Gotter has not played versus 21 together. And it's basically 14 PPR points, full PPR. for Devonsa Smith when he's in 18 points when he's out. So you go from good to great, but you're still good when he's been there. Eagles offensive coordinator Brian Johnson came out and talked about the fact that when Dallas got it's out, AJ Brown gets covered like double teamed more. And so it makes really like more targets. What happens is more targets go to AJ Brown because coverage has changed a little bit, not necessarily Goddard filling the stat sheet. Do you remember?

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I don't know. Do you remember? Oh, yeah. It was last week when the big hulking wide receiver from Ole Miss played against the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah. And just, how do he do? He was pretty good. Yeah, he did great. Big hulking guy from old miss. Oh, yeah. There's another big hulking guy from Ole Miss. A.J. Brown who gets to play Dallas this week. He's going to be great. Yeah, he always, he always sent, seems to be. DeAndre Swift. Where are you at with DeAndre? They basically, I don't know if you noticed, but they've been struggling to run the football. They haven't tried to run the football a lot. I mean, six attempts for DeAndre Swift last week. Yeah, he got, he also got dinged up. It was against San Francisco. Oh, did he ever? Yeah, and it's, I mean, 14 for 80 against Buffalo the week before that, 12 for 76, the week before that. So I, yeah, it's.

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Maybe you're a little bit shook from Swift, but I'm still putting them in. It is worth noting again, like the Eagles had very little rest last week against the team in the Niners who had a ton of rest, and it's happening in back-to-back weeks. We saw them get shellacked by the Niners as well, but Dallas played it on Thursday last week, so they've got extra rest coming in while the Eagles are traveling. I personally really do expect the Cowboys to take care of business here. Tennessee, Miami, Monday Night Football, part of a double header. Yeah, we've got a double-header Monday night, which I don't know how people feel about, you know, when they start the season, they've had the back-to-back Monday night games. That doesn't bother me. I'm okay with that. But when we've done these layered... Same exact time. Yeah, like over this season, we've had one start like 30 minutes later. And that is obnoxious. It's a nuisance. These are at the exact same time. Wait, they're the same moment. The exact same time. The NFL...

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It must be trying something out. And I don't understand. Could they swap the Titans with the Packers and then we don't have to watch the Giants Titans game and then we can only watch Dolphins Packers? So you're like just make the Packers play the Dolphins? Yeah. Just do like a swap ski. And just give the other two teams else? No, you can play them, but no one's, I mean, you don't have to watch it. Oh, oh, I see. It's the hidden game. Okay. Yeah. Oh, we'll work on that. Tennessee, Miami. Miami 13 point home favorites. The overrunners 46. They're eviscerating opponents right now. Tua start of the week, A-chan start of the week. Mostert, you play him, Tyreek, you play him, Waddle, you play him. Yep, easy. The end, easy. On the other side, I mean, Will Levis has been bad. Yeah, he's been Will Levis. Yeah, he's been, he is who we thought he is.

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Derek Henry, I mean... Derek Henry's a little scary in this. There he is. To my knowledge, there's no snow in Vermont currently coming down this weekend. Oh, crap. But it's really a matter of... Do you know how much snow you would need for him to perform? Oh, you need a blizzard. Against Miami? Yeah, on the road, let's say you get down by a lot. That's usually his major kryptonite in big losses. You're going to see more Tage Spears, less Derek Henry. They're not going to be able to run the ball as much in the second half. He's still Derek Henry, so he's going to be in your lineup. There's really not compelling advice we can give you to say bench Derek Henry. I mean, they lost last week, and he still put up 24 and a half fantasy points and 40% of the snaps because he's Derek Henry and because there was a lot of snow in Vermont. This week, it's going to be tough sledding. I don't expect a big performance. The Miami defense, though, I do expect a big performance.

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Last six weeks, they've been eighth against quarterbacks, first against running back, seventh against whiteouts. And it's going to be really tough. The Titans just don't have the personnel to beat him. And Jalen Ramsey will definitely pick off Banana Rama in this game at some point. And it's just a question of – And piss off DeAndre Hopkins. Does he house it or not? You know, so, I mean, DeAndre Hopkins, if you have to play him, he's going to get the targets, they're going to be down. They're going to be bad. It's going to be bad, but I mean like five for 70, no touchdowns. It's been a turnaround here. Six for 60, no touchdowns, probably what you're going to get. Dolphins on the season 26th. That looks pretty good. You know, I want my wide receivers against that, except the last six weeks. It's been seventh when you're adjusting for schedule. So I'm with you. He's like a wide receiver three type. Would you play? Let's go DeAndre Hopkins or Garrett Wilson.

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Wilson? That's so tough. I do lean Wilson there. I worry about the weather, but Gabe Davis. Gabe is entirely his own decision. It's Gabe versus. He's his own thing. It's Gabe versus Gabe. It's what is your lineup need? But if I had those, if you had those two this week, you need the big play. Would you play Hopkins? I think I'd play Hopkins. Hopkins has been. I guess if they were on, if they were both on my roster, I would still play Hopkins. It doesn't give you a lot of hope, though. No. Hopkins is, what do you think he is on the year? I'm just, this is like, I feel like a good question because. Wide receiver 20. Mike? I'll go lower than that. He has, I mean, he's had a couple spike weeks enough to move him up. Give me the number. 22. 23. 23. Green Bay, six and six, taking on the four and eight New York Giants. Dravkeen Sportsbook line, Green Bay, minus six and a half on the road over under 36 and a half.

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Packers in the playoffs right now. The Packers are 16-0 in December under Mantleafloor. 16-0. That's incredible. He likes the snow as well. Yeah. And they, I mean, the Packers look so good right now. I'm so happy for Packers fans and so jealous. Did they really do it again? They might have. It's just not fair. No, it is not fair at all. If Jordan Love really is a franchise quarterback, it is. Not fair. Just don't even talk to the Bears fans. Because the Bear fan, the Bears fans can't handle that. But Jordan loves him. I mean. Yeah, Farve to Rogers to potentially love. Wasn't there someone before Farve to? I mean, I was Brett Star. Yeah. Did you say Brett? Bart. Bart Star. So from. Well, Bart. Yeah, Bart Star was the OG. 19. The first two Super Bowls. Yeah.

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Yeah. So just since 1956, they've had a great quarterback. I mean, there were some quarterbacks between Star and Farve that they struggled with. I don't know. Farv played like 30 years. 40. Oh, sorry. Jordan Love, play him. AJ Dillon's Mike's start of the week. Yeah. That is. Do monitor. Terrifying. Oh, I understand. But it's a start of the week as in not a, oh, this dude's a top 12 lock. It's a, he's been in top 24 player for three straight weeks. Chill like a villain. Chill like a villain. The Giants 24th against running backs on the season 28 the last six weeks. But it's also, pay attention to what's going on with Aaron Jones, limited on Thursday. On the other side, you play Sakey. Because you just always do. He gets 23 opportunities a game. And the Packers are not great at stopping the run. They're average at best. And then Romeo Dobbs is in play this week with Watson's hamstring injury. Jaden Reed, I'm more concerned Jason would play Reed over Dobbs. He said that earlier in the week.

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He's got the chest injury. He'll play. I like the dobs side. I think both guys are fair. Don Tavia and Wicks, somebody to pay attention to. Very risky. I wouldn't, I wouldn't play Hyatt on the other side. I think there are deep leagues where he is playable. I was, you know, I was bummed. This wasn't on the slate because I wanted to DFS. Wix. Yeah, Wix seems like a perfect. I was just wondering. I was like, I just had the mental exercise of Wix seems like a great DFS. Oh, he's not on the slate. Some updates for you. Dawsonox could come off IR for week 14. We talked about him earlier. He may play this week. Christian Kirk has been put on injured reserve due to the core muscle injury. He's out for four weeks. David Najoku practice on Friday. I guess he had missed a game due to or practice or missed a practice. Anybody else do you want to talk about? No, let's get to it. Fantasy Face Off, presented by Draft Kings.

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I'll just take this stupid jacket off. Last week, Jason on top, I was the comfortable second, and Mike ended up at the bottom of the barrel yet again. Samuel. So we've got our lineups to reveal to you this week, but first. Wheel of shame. Spin the wheel. Huzzah. It's got your fingerprints all over it. It does. Safety first. Smurfs up. Oh, Billy Bob. Oh, Billy Bob. Oh, my. Billy Bob. Is this, uh, silence of the lambs? Basically, basically, uh, is very similar. This is just, uh, okay. All right. Yeah, baby. So Mike, just to describe it at home, Mike is putting on, um,

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Is he putting on a shirt or is he taking off a shirt? I think he's taken off a shirt and his hair. Oh, baby nips out for Harambe, baby. And then. Looking good, Mike. This is. Oh, there's more. Yeah, come on. This is all. Mike's got his favorite hat on. Hey, yo, baby. I got teeth. Yeah, you got to bite into them. I got to bite it. Yeah, it's like a molding. This is, this was what came today. I thought when we ordered it, I thought, oh, my goodness. Yes, baby. What's y'all thinking about? You've got to go to YouTube and see this. Oh, my gosh, this is a top five. Tighten that shirt. Tighten that shirt. Oh, baby. Oh, yeah. Looking good. Oh, let's read these land of boys. Oh.

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Let's go ahead and start with Mike's quarterback. I'll tell you what. It's kind of hard to talk. I love it. I can't even look at you. A little harder. The missing tooth is the best part. All right. I got a bite one. They're going to fall out. Who's your quarterback? I'll try. You want to check. So I'll put them in when I don't have to talk because they're not going to stay in my mouth. When you lose three in a row, you reach a yolo point in your life. My quarterback. will be Baker Mayfield against the Atlanta Falcons at 5,300. That's someone needing Christian McCaffrey in his lineup. My quarterback is Brock Purdy, my start of the week, 6,500 at home against Seattle. Howard. You could have too. Hey, these callers don't run, boys. All right, Mike, we all have different quarterbacks. I went with Russell Wilson.

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against the Los Angeles Chargers at 5,800. So Mike had the cheapest quarterback, Jason, the most expensive, and I went with Russ. Which is crazy because I felt like I was going with a cheap quarterback in 6,500. So you also must have Christian McCaffrey. What running backs do you guys? Speaking of Christian McCaffrey. Yeah, he didn't want to line up. I can't stop talking. And you shouldn't. At 9200. This is the best. At home against the Seahawks. Then I also have Alvin Camara at 8200. You have CMC at home against the Carolina Panthers. Let me just jump in here because I got Christian McCaffrey and Alvin Camaro. Yehaw, folks. I got them both. Wow. Give me somebody MT. Yeah. Okay, well. Who are your stupid running backs? My stupid running backs are Alvin Camara. I've got at least half of them. And Joseph Mixing.

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At home. That ain't CMC. Against the Colts. You mean the number one running back who outscored CMC last week? Oh, he'll definitely do it again. He's 6,100. Good value in my lineup. All right, Mike, we need three wide receivers. All right. I got Baker Mayfield. So I definitely have Mr. Michael Evans. How did you fall? At 7,700. That means these next two guys are cheap. No, I got DJ Moore. Okay. What did you? At home. Just wait at 6,500 and then Drake London at 4,600. Wow. I feel like you got more money than me. You won't think that in a moment. Okay. All right. Let's see here. My wide receivers, I've got Drake London with you at 4,600. He's seemingly like a cash lock. I have Debo Samuel at 6,800 to stack with my Brock Purdy playing against that.

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