Tier Drop Candidates + 2018 Rookie Review: QB & WR

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to the fantasy footballers podcast. Coming to you from pristineauction.com studios with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. Yet another show. Here we are. Monday, Tuesday. It's Tuesday. Tuesday, February 12th. How dare you, Mike. You thought it was a Monday?

No, look, I was laughing on something completely unrelated to your buffoonery. Okay. Are you going to enlighten us or just do you want to mean to know? No, it's not appropriate for this show. All right then. You got your Baker Mania shirt on. We're going to be talking about the rookies today on the show. I may have timed that up. That's just high production value. That's why you do what you do. Oh, wow. Baker Mania. Yeah, you got your Baker. Catch it. Mike has it.

Uh, we have a rookie. This is actually just because I really like bread. Oh, you're into, like the, the vocation of bread making. Yes. Now that's, they call that a baker. Jason can get behind because pastries are one of my favorite things. Yep. They're actually like, four of my top favorite things. Vipert. Welcome in.

Well, that should be a new thing, like our top favorite things. Yes, it could be. It's like a top five list. Jason's top. Jason's favorites. My favorites. Four of my favorites are pastries. You just sound like you have a really strange accent. It's my favorites. My favorite pastries are so good. My favorites. Brooks, how do you think that? You slowly went from the Swedish chef.

It's right to Borat in the matter of three syllables. He heard the word accent and there was no other choice. I'm a talented man. We know what they're doing an accent. Brooks, everything going good for you over there? Oh, it's going great, Andy. You're wearing an orange shirt as well. What is with this? We've got three orange shirts on. I'm a loser. Yeah. We know. Rookie review today. Quarterbacks and wide receivers will be walking through some of the truth metrics that we brought up in the other positions.

talking about this past year's rookies, what to expect from them in year number two, and what historically rookies have been able to do in year two as well, especially at the quarterback position. Here's a quick question. It's an interesting one. It's a difficult one when you pose them like this, but what top tier player is most likely to fall out of?

their respective tiers. So a big piece of the ultimate draft kit, which, by the way, right now, you can, up until March 1st, there's a big promotion going on, and we just released a good, uh, get bodied t-shirt. Oh, we did. So much requested get-bodied shirt, Jason uses that phrase 30 times a day. I do. And I one of his favorites, one of his favorite phrases. Well, look, I, I must contest. How come?

Jason is the one associated with the phrase that I brought to this show. You certainly were the originator, but you know, I, you know the phrase you shine a turd. That's what I did, and I made it great. I think he just called you a turd. No, no, they get body. It's a great phrase. Yeah, because I shined it up. So you can get that shirt, but you get $10 off of it as one of the pre-order bonuses for the ultimate draft kit. We talk about tier-based drafting throughout the off season.

As we head into your draft, looking at players in their respective tiers, making decisions based on that. And so this is a tough question because anybody right now that you would have projected to be a tier one running back, quarterback, wide receiver, whatever, you're not, they're projected there for a reason. That's the expectation. This question is which guy's most likely to...

potentially fall out because what we do know is every year somebody does fall out of that tier several people yeah several people fall out and the way that i took this and you could take this a number of different ways right is it how guys finished where they were drafted whether you think that they will drop out based on their adp or whether you think they won't produce where you're drafting him mine that i'm bringing to the table is antonio brown he has been the number one in his tier by himself

for several years now. And I think this is going to be the first year where he's not the first wide receiver taken off the board. I think that could happen even if he stays in Pittsburgh. Obviously, if he moves, he's going to fall a tier. He's going to, you're going, if he goes anywhere else, whether it's the 49ers or any situation that you think would be as good as he could land in, I think you're going to see guys like,

Hopkins and Tyreek and Devante Adams, maybe Julio Odell, go ahead of Antonio Brown. So I see him as one of the most likely to fall out of where he has been living for the last several seasons. I'm going to stay on the same team as of today and go with James Connor. Now, when we were asked to put out our initial top 10, probably about a month and a half ago, Jason and I put him out there.

Connor wasn't in my top 10. He was in mine. And he's in a lot of them. And by ADP he is as well for a lot of people. James Connor is the player that I think could, it could get very interesting for him when he is, when he went from no longer the day after day filling in for Lev Bell Roll, dominating performance. First seven games of the year was averaging 290 carries, 1,300 plus yards.

21 rushing touchdowns. That's what his average was, his projection, his pace through the first seven games that he played last year when he didn't know if Lev Bell was coming back at any given moment. Now, if Antonio Brown leaves, this team has had a little bit of tumult and he's been given the keys to this obvious. Now, I think he's a very talented player. But the expectations of him being a top five guy, I don't believe in them. And over the last six games last year,

His pace, 235 carries, 997 yards, eight touchdowns. These aren't embarrassing numbers. His receiving totals went down pretty significantly in terms of targets and receiving yard pace in that span. The first half of the season, averaging a pace of 738 receiving yards, second half, 460. So that's just what I mean. When I say James Connor might not be Tier 1, I mean he'll be Tier 2. That's what I think, but not worthy of that high of a pick.

I took kind of, this question is so ridiculously hard right now. I don't know why, I don't know why we're asking this today. Because it's fun. We ask the tough questions. Yeah. Yeah, like should Jason wear a fedora. Speaking of that. Oh man, fedora watch, 2019. If you participated in the petition.

Yeah, you're talking about the move on petition? Look, that has 354 signatures. There was a movement. Yeah. On social media, it swept the nation. It was disgusting. It demanded that Jason wear a fedora for an entire week for the show. Overwhelming success. This is what the people wanted. We need to explore all our options with what's the top of his head. So we're making this happen.

The fedora is on the way. I can promise you this. It may be delivered during the show. Listen, Foglan, I can promise you this. If I wear a fedora for a week, it will then go in the garbage. I will not, this is not something I'm trying to like, I'm just hoping it sticks and then this will be my new look. No, ridiculous. I will not be a fedora man.

You're going to be for a week. You're going to wear it for that week. Fedora, man. And then some of your favorite players are going to reach out on Twitter and just say, dude, dude, I love this guy with the fedora. Well, then I'll keep it, of course. I love this dude. Is he the lead singer? Is that the smash-mouth lead singer? If Juju comes out and says, hey, Jay. That dude is walking on the sun. You look great in this fedora. Then I'll stick with it. So we've got a couple of Steelers. All right. You took a different route. You know what we have to do.

Oh, you're on the fedora? We have to get juju to compliment Jason's fedora. Yeah, I mean, that's all there is to it. Uh, I would never take it off at that point. Block juju on Twitter. Got it. Okay. So who was your player? I took the easy route out because Matt Ryan was the number two quarterback of 2018. And I just don't see him finishing at number two or number one. I think he will fall.

probably two tiers. He won't, yeah, and I agree with that. None of what you're saying is wrong. But he won't be drafted as a tier one. Correct. He won't be drafted as the number two quarterback off the board. No, no. I met Ryan, despite having a great season, we'll be in the 10th round again. I mean, he might end up being actually a solid pick because, I mean, who's going to take him over Drew Brees, you know, next year? Right.

The answer to the hard question is, to me, it still depends on what the New Orleans Saints doing free agency. But the clearest tier drop to me would be Alvin Camero. Okay. Of the top five guys last year. Even if Ingram leaves. No, that's what I'm saying. If Ingram leaves, then there's no way I'm talking about that because of the way that Camara started last year to the way that he finished.

which the entire argument. It's surprised you didn't say Adam Thielen. I think he. Based on how hard you hit his second half. Yeah, well, I think that Adam Thielen fell out of that top tier for people during that second half. I do. I mean, he finished what, wide receiver seven. He's not going to be drafted as a top tier guy. Like I said, come draft season, Stefan Diggs will wrongly be drafted ahead of him.

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and I've told you all about the get bodied shirt, so let's move on to the news. News and notes from Around the League, presented by Sleeper. There was a very significant sleeper alert coming across the wire. Yes, there was. This morning. So let's talk about that first. I think it's what fantasy owners will be most intrigued about, and that is the fact that the Cleveland Browns, in the middle of a lunch that we were just having, they signed...

Kareem Hunt, former running back of the Kansas City Chiefs, cut last year towards the end of the season. Obviously, one of the biggest names in fantasy football up and to that point. And here is Jack Dorsey, GM. John. What did I say? Jack. John Dorsey. Look, we've talked, John and Jack. For some reason, these guys get to replace their names at will if they want. They can do whatever they want. Yeah, so.