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Top 10 WR Rankings + Hungry For More | Fantasy Football 2024 - Ep. 1607

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Top receiver rankings are interrupted by usage complaints, coach-name confusion, and a 'nasty boy' waiver target.

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The time is coming swiftly. The middle rounds are no place for the unskilled. Yet here you are. You fools. This season you will find all kinds of foes. Eager to watch your draft crumble with wasted picks. There can only be one ultimate draft kit. Only one they can bend them to its will. Share back. You must wield the UDK and send your opponents back to their shadow you shall not pass on this chance to send your lead mates into the fly you fools to autumn draft kit.com to the fantasy footballers podcast with your host Andy Holloway Jason Moore and Mike Wright welcome in Wednesday August 7th

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Mike the Fantasy Hitman Wright, Jason Moore, Andy Holloway, back with you, the fantasy footballers. Here we are, gentlemen. Once again. Once again, we've got the top 10 wide receiver rankings on today's show. We've got some hungry for more and ever-breaking news to talk about on today's episode of the show, getting you ready to dominate your league in 2024. every advantage possible to take out your league mates. And I'm excited. Jason, how are you today? I am wonderful. I'm excited for this show. I'm excited to talk about some of the specific players. And it's just a good time of year. And I'm really getting excited for its football time. Like I've got a shirt hanging in my closet put to the side for the day. For the day. For the day. It's football time day. What day is that?

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Is it tomorrow? I don't think there's... Yeah. Is it tomorrow? The first season tomorrow? Okay, because I know there's games Saturday, there's game Sunday. Do we get a game tomorrow? I mean, Mike confirm. Mike, please confirm. I'll look it up. I'm pretty sure. Oh, man. Yeah, tomorrow... My hands are faking. We got lions, giants, and Panthers Patriots tomorrow. Let's go, baby. We also... Yeah, just want to invite you along for the entire season. Click that follow button, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, the subscribe button over on YouTube. Click that bell. We do Sunday live every single Sunday morning. You get to witness normally, Mike, but sometimes it's Jason or myself, just tilting. Oh, yeah. As we make start sit decisions and help you out. And the start sit tools on the website.

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all season long as well to give you some guidance and pretty much just remove your own accountability. We want you to, we want to give you some outs, right? If the week goes wrong. We are your shield? Yeah, shame shield. We are your meat shield. Yeah, no, shame shield. That's a good one. So the tools all season long, you can become a part of the community at jointhefoot.com. The ultimate draft kit's available right now at ultimate draft kit.com if you want to step up your game. All right. Well, there's one, are we moving on real quick? We don't have to. I just, we look, this is your show. Sometimes you have to wield the power. Okay. And the influence. I mean, look, absolute dominance of the football space. We have huge influence here, especially like over teams, over media productions out there. Interesting. And.

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I don't know if you guys saw my tweet because it was a, it was fired off late last night. Tuned into episode one of Hard Knocks, Chicago Bears. Oh, it started? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it started. And the episode was okay. But here's the, here's the problem. Jason, you will, your skin's going to rip off your body. No. No. No, they did not. They're, well, no, they didn't change the music. Okay, the horns are there. They didn't change it. But there's this huge narration going on the entire time to the point of it got to the end of the intro and I'm like, wait, did they have the music on? Like, it is an absolute travesty. Oh, so you're stepping up and stepping out. Yeah. Max, HBO, whoever is in charge of this, get that crap off of there. Get it out. Let that epic theme play untainted.

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I need it. That goes right in my veins. That's why I watch. It gets me pumped up for football. You were just shocked. I was really, really upset. Did it, did it change your enjoyment of the rest of the show? Yeah, absolutely. I was like, I imagine you turn it off. That's what I would have done. I watched it for, like I'll give them, I'll give you a little bit of credit here. But, yeah, I went in, the UDK, bears have plummeted in my rankings. Oh, all because of the intro. Yeah, it's not their fault. Wow. So knock it off. Thank you, Mike. The narrator, go bye-bye. All right, here we go. Welcome to Hungry for More, presented by Uber Eads. All right, we are into Hungry for More. We're each picking out players that are making some headlines. Mike, maybe you hit that hype train over there for these guys. I don't know where anything is, man. The off season is... You see how many buttons there are? Yeah, yeah. Mike's in my seat today. I'm in Mike's seat today.

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And there's the hype train. He found it. Yeah, I'll hit what I can, but don't ask me for anything. I am so very hungry for more Malik neighbors. I get it. It feels like you're supposed to, at least I feel the pressure to come and just like give you 35 data points as to why I am hungry for more Malik neighbors. But it's fundamentally he's too good at football to be stopped. And we are seeing the evidence present itself already in camp. My favorite quote is not from somebody associated with the Giants, but rather head coach Dan Campbell of the Lions who said he is a mix of Jason Jefferson but has the mentality of OBJ. I would be shocked if he didn't win offensive rookie of the year.

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That's some fire. So guns Mahoney breaking out both guns with that quote. That's a reverse jinx happening. I could smell that a mile away. He caught 17 of 18 targets in joint practices from Daniel Jones was quoted as borderline unstoppable. I have been I am a monster Malik neighbors fan. And the question, you know, when you say hungry for more, I mean. I'm not really going to qualify it by his ADP because I'm just hungry to see more at Malik neighbors play football. But, you know, two years ago we had a surprise season from the Giants. I do trust in Brian Dable. I don't trust Daniel Jones, but I also, like, what they had last year in place of Daniel Jones wasn't a solution. So, and with Brian Dable and Daniel Jones the year prior, you know, you have big plays from Darius Slayton.

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And who was, I'm trying to remember the name, Kyle, you might remember it. Who is the breakout? Isaiah Hodgins, right? Oh, yes. So we've had some like fantasy relevance in New York. Yeah, you've had flashes. Malik Neighbors is outrageously good at football. And, you know, there were people at the draft that liked him more than Marvin Harrison. Like, this is the level of talent. And just because two are drafted in the same year doesn't mean you ignore the second guy off the board. So I'm hungry for more. I want to see the draft price. You know, it's not going, the ADP's not going down. You know, but it's pretty high already. Right now it's, is it wider receiver 24? Yeah, it ranges from platform to platform. He's got, he's got a pretty wide range, 20 to 30. If I am 20 or beyond, pick 20 and beyond, he's an auto draft for me. Okay. I mean, I have, I'm having a really hard time.

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putting all the puzzle pieces together for Malik Neighbors because I agree. I was one of those people. I'm up there of that Neighbors and Marvin Harrison Jr. are both truly elite difference-making players. That ADP is, it's just, there is so much risk for it to me because it's, yeah, he's the wide receiver 24, but it's in the fourth round. And looking at Daniel Jones, this is where it's like it's hard to put the pieces together. Yeah, we had a surprise year from the New York Giants two years ago when the team was much better than we thought they could be. And that was 3,200 passing yards and 15 passing touchdowns from Daniel Jones. Chicken or egg, of course. He hasn't had a player like Malik neighbors. But we have 3,000 passing yards, 2,900, 2,400, injury shortened season, 3,200. It's just, it's so hard to get there.

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When you look at, when you look at where, if he goes where he's going now, you're talking about Zay Flowers versus Malik neighbors. You're talking about. You got Tank Dell. You got right next. Yeah, you got Tank Dell right there too. And that's an easy neighbors for you. Yeah. That one is hard because I love Tank Dell. But I am on neighbors as well. I like, I like Tankdale. It's just neighbors is clear path, right? Like the runway's been cleared. There, there is no competition. There is, this is, this is your, this is your team. Yeah. And the team, you know, they moved on from Sequin. And the identity is Malik Neighbors. So that's my hungry for more today. So where do you think Daniel Jones can get in total passing yards? And then where can Malik Neighbors get? Like the example of a – Malik Neighbors can catch – Let's say he gets to 3,500 yards or whatever. And then does neighbors get up over, what, 1,200 yards? Yeah, he can get to 13,400 yards. Like – That's possible.

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amount of the yardage to one guy is just, man, it's hard to reconcile for me. Yes, the percentage would be. I have Daniel Jones plotted for 3,500 yards right now. Okay. 3545. But again, it's not necessarily how we're going to project the probability of the season to go. It's the fact that there is a ceiling for neighbors that, in my opinion, does not exist for even Tank Dell or Zay Flowers or Amari Cooper. Like, D.K. Metcalfe Cooper Cup. both going after Malik neighbors right now. Team structure. Yeah, that depends on the platform. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I'm looking at sleepers ADP right now. All right. It's tough. It is tough. You have to call your shot and that's what you're doing. Andy, you're saying, I'm taking the talent. I'm taking the explosive athlete and, you know, you're just going to light the dynamite and hope that it hurts. Yeah, I just.

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This is just... Boom goes the dynamite. An incredible, incredible player that I have a lot of faith in. So, Mike, you're hungry for more. I am. And this is a player who's not been talked about a ton on this show because he was sent to Siberia, the fantasy Siberia of this year, well, really last year too. But the Carolina Panthers, they picked up Deontay Johnson. And he is going on Sleeper right now as the wide receiver 42. And that is our consensus is at 35. So he looks like a draft value for our projections. And it's because he went to Carolina, it was kind of like this. You put up the mental gate of I'm not going to allow myself to even think about the opportunities for it. And as you look, okay, those immediate emotional reactions are now gone.

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Let's look at this with action, not emotion, let's look at it with, you know, with facts and everything. And it's Deontay Johnson, number one, is a very good wide receiver. He is always open. There's an ESPN open score, 109 wide receivers graded in it. Deonti Johnson was 11th last year because he just, he is that kind of a wide receiver. Bryce Young, at least in the beginning of the season, he hyper-focused on Adam Thielen. Adam Thielen fell off. I didn't watch every single snap of him. I'm assuming that is related to. What? Thank you. I couldn't interrupt myself. Did you say my name? Yes, I did. Adam, you may go back to rest. I go and take a nap. So he fell off. Look, he's older. That's not an uncommon thing to happen to the elder veterans in the NFL season. But Deonté Johnson, he has Dave Canales now. And.

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What happened last year for the X wide receiver for Dave Canales, Mike Evans had himself a fantastic year. Got a ton of production up there in Seattle as well. So it's just leave, like, is there a world where Deonti Johnson finishes as a top 24 wide receiver? And I think we need to be more open to that just because of target volume. And. And the fact that he is a good wide receiver, a proven wide receiver, while his ceiling isn't elite, it doesn't really matter. Like you're going to get a player who can help you each and every week. Now, just to make sure I'm hearing this correctly, the problem with Malik neighbors and his awesome talent is Daniel Jones. Is ADP. But the solution. No, I heard some Daniel Jones in there. But yeah.

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But then Bryce Young is not an issue. Did you hear wide receiver 42? I heard you say that he could finish as a top 24 wide receiver. He could. He couldn't. I agree he couldn't. I agree with you. I agree with myself. I agree with myself that he couldn't finish as a top 24 wide receiver. It's now a more crowded room. It's not a crowded room. Who's crowding him? What? My hungry for more. You booked me up. My hunger for more last week was league and it's unfortunate, man. Yeah. Like, that's part of the crowding was, was him and haven't you heard how great mingo's been? I have. Second round pick of last year, Jonathan Mingo has been making waves in camp. We'll see. All right. Well, let's talk about a first round pick from last year who is viewed as an overwhelming bust. And that is JSN.

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Is that the view? I think last year was a massive disappointment. He's going after Deontay Johnson on Sleeper right now. That's, this is ridiculous. Is it though? Yes, and here's why. JSN is a very, very, very, very. So this is your hungry for more. This is my hungry for more. JSN. Hoping for more. Hoping for some. Well, I'm famous. I'm starving. Hungry for something. We didn't get a whole lot. I could see that. In fact, here's an example. of how... Perished from hunger. How starving everyone is. Okay? He is the only first round wide receiver over the last decade who had 50 receptions as a rookie. Oh, no, he did not. That's a lie. On 93 targets. And is drafted outside the top 36 in his sophomore year. It doesn't happen often because one of the kind of cheat codes and fantasy is second year wide receivers. They take a leap forward. And if they were decent as a rookie,

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then you know that they have the ability and the chance to take a leap forward. JSN, you know, it was like this time last year we were talking about JSN the way we're talking about Malik Neighbors, how talented he was. Now, Malik Neighbors went to a team with Jack Squawk. You know, he's the one. He's the alpha. That wasn't the situation for JSN. He went to a team that had DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett. And yeah, they're still there. Oh, yeah, the guys that are still there. He was a rookie. That was his first chance. And then he broke his arm.

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Remember, it's like we forget how it happened. His usage last year was so bad. It's like cynically awful. I mean, he had 29 total receptions behind the line of scrimmage. That's the most among rookies. Only Ron Dale Moore in 2021 had more in the PFF era. His usage was dumb. And here's, if you think about his usage, this is like, it's not his fault, right? He's not, he's not choosing. to stay behind the line of scrimmage for that pass. Like he's the... Go deep, Jason. Nah. Not this time. Look, I'm open five yards behind the line of scrimmage. Not this time. Here was J.S.N.'s comment. I know you guys know this, but as a reminder from the Super Bowl week, when a Bears reporter was asking J.S.N. about their new offensive coordinator. This is him talking to the local people trying to hype up the, hey, what should we expect from Shane Waldron?

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coming to Chicago. And his answer was, and there's a quote, um, uh, this is live. Uh, good luck to y'all. I mean, uh, he's a great person. Do I mean, get bodied? This was his utilization was so bad. JSN on Ryan Grub's new offense coming in from the University of Washington. Quote, when I see the playbook, my eyes get wide. He is excited. Head coach Mike Pages. Head coach Mike McDaniel, this was like yesterday. He was just talking about he's got this fluid explosiveness about him. He can run the entire route tree. Incredible ways to track the ball, body control, explosive in and out of his cuts. The mentality of what we want, he has that. Jason is a really good wide receiver. No one, like that's the thing that we're forgetting is he's a really good wide receiver going into year two. Yes, he's still in a crowded wide receiver room.

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But he is not being drafted what his talent and outcome could be. Can you say the coach's name again real quick? Mike McDonald. Thank you. JSN averaged 36 yards a game last year, which puts the, you expect it even if the play calls are bad to see more things that made you excited. That's all I'm going to say. For sure. This is why I'm hungry for more. We're all hungry for more. Yeah, JSN has the potential. to step up. But the dependence, like you like D.K. Matt Cab, Lockett is still there. Like, I'm not hungry for more puka. You know, he's right. No, you were full. He fed me. Yeah. That was a great rookie season. I'm fed me. I'm stuffed. I, I, I had, I had dinner butter. Yeah. My belly is full. JSN, really, really hungry for more. All right. So, Deontay, Mike. Yeah. JS.N. I've got my league neighbors. Um.

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Mine will be the most delicious meal if it works out. Yes. If all three hit their ceiling, I agree. Neighbors. Yours would be a gourmet meal. Mine's like a, mine's a... No, your sustenance. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And mine is... That's what Dealin was last year, by the way. Like, he was sustenance for the first half of the year. Yeah, mine would be a super affordable. Like, this is just a value meal. I mean, I'm... Sit down or drive-through? This is sit-down. It's just a great deal. All right. I came on a Tuesday. You know, I was a Tuesday deal. Yeah, it was like happy hour on Tuesday. Just so cheap. All right. That was hungry for more presented by Uber Eats. Get game day deals all season long only on Uber Eats. Official on demand food delivery partner in the NFL order now. Let's take a quick break. And then we'll jump into, we'll jump into the news, man. News and notes from around the league. Presented by USAA Insurance. All right. I mean, we could talk a lot of 49ers, I guess, because we got the brand and I use stuff to talk about.

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Wait a minute, hold on. Did I say Mike McDaniel? That's why I had you say it again. Because I see in Slack, Kyle thinks I said Mike McDaniel. I wasn't 100% sure. These guys' names in my brain, I cannot, I cannot keep. McDonald, McDaniel, McDaniels, McDaniels, Michael, I just like. Let's call him coach Mike. I'm just going to call him. Coach of the Dolphins, coach of the Seahawks. That's my new nickname for these guys who will never say their names again because my brain don't work that way. Michael Matthew McDaniels, Donald. Remember when you played that like cool sound clip from old McDonald's? Yes, yes. I just started calling, uh, I just started calling him McDonald's on the dynasty podcast today because it was easier. Oh, McDonald's. Yeah. Yeah, but there it goes with the value meal.

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Well, yeah, but no, McDonald's. You would think that would be the head coach of the Seahawks, but that's how I was referring to the head coach of the dolphins. I see. I'm very helpful. Oh, I've seen a pro. Oh, no. Oh, no. All right. Christian McCaffrey is going to miss the preseason with a calf strain. It was a preemptive, oh, no from Mike. This is really scary. I definitely moved his risk rating up in the UDK. Um, it, it's to, like, are you taking him number one? I don't, I don't think I am. I am. Okay. I like it. I am. To me, Tyree Kill is so valuable. Like, I don't, I don't lose anything there. I don't have any risk. Um, if I know this guy is dealing with a calf injury, I mean, we, we saw Joe Burrow last year get shut down for a couple of weeks around the same time with a calf injury. He's, come, come back and.

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You know, he's still at one for me right now. Risk rating going up and, you know, trying not to, you know, overreact, but I don't mind the, I think the fear because of McCabry's injuries in the past are reasonable. Yeah, and I'm not dropping him in my rankings. Like. You know, he's in the same tier. He's my number one running back. It's just that choice at the top. It's just the choice of, I think Tyree Kill is just as valuable. Yeah, yeah, I would take him 102. I'm not off of McCaffrey. You know, the backfield, Mitchell, strained hamstring, Isaac Garindo, missing time with a hamstring injury. They had to sign Matt Brita to come in and Brita 2.0 there in San Francisco. And then Jordan Mason. Ponches. I mean, what?

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We discovered this. That's the nickname? No, no. That's his middle name. Yeah, he goes by. Ponches? Yeah. He's not haunches. He's out there throwing paunches, man. Wow. Uh, his nickname is JP. And I'm like, well, how is his nickname JP when his name is Jordan Mason? Where's the bee coming from? Ponches. Wow. Yeah. Um, well, he's the only man left with a punch. He was right now. He was really, really good, uh, last year on a per touch basis. A lot of the beat reporters were always. talking about like why is he not getting run over Elijah Mitchell? And now this offseason, you've seen Shanahan talk up about the trust that he has in Jordan Mason. The running backs coach has been talking about how he's coming into the meeting rooms as a different man. And so Jordan Mason has made Elijah Mitchell to me at the very least, not a locked in handcuffed. Pooka Nakua update.

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Should be good to go for week one, according to McVeigh, had a bursa sack. Quote, little bit of a bursa sack. He kind of burst it, McVe said. The Joey Bursa sack? He said he's going to be weak. Or Nick Bursa sack. I'm unsure. Oh, my gosh. Swiss! Your jokes sound just as dumb from this side of the table. Week to week, nothing serious, nothing structural, should be ready to go for Detroit, according to McVeigh. This is good news. That is the fluid-filled sack under tendons at joints that help reduce the strain on the muscle. Thanks. Dr. Dr. Matthew Betts. Josh Downs had to be help off the field after a great camp. He is not putting weight on his lower leg, waiting for a report there. Downs was outperforming Adonai Mitchell and looked. He was the wide receiver two in terms of fantasy value for the Colts. And then Rondale Moore this morning, Breaking News, Aircast. Oh, don't use that word.

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I don't know. Aircasts on his right leg. Randall Moore wide receiver for the Falcons taking to a Baptist Health medical facility. Practice was called after the injury. Yeah, that's not great. This looks maybe season ending for Ron Dale Moore. And so the news here was there was already a camp battle going on between Ron Dale Moore and Ray Ray McLeod to be the slot wide receiver. In your dynasty leagues, He could be a nasty boy. Talking about Ray Ray McLeod that you could just throw on to the end of the bench and see what happens. Don't expect anything from him, but look, if Kirk Cousins in this offense gets rolling, who knows? It does, you know, Darnel Mooney is a name to just remember. That name has just not only on this show, like where we haven't even talked about him anywhere. Have you guys seen a single peep?

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No, I have not seen one beat reporter talking about anything. I haven't heard any news, bad or good really on Mooney personally, but I know he is a good enough wide receiver to be a wide receiver two in an offense that now really, really needs him. Kyle's there in Atlanta. So Kyle, have you, what's the Mooney report? We'll go to Kyle for the most drafted player in bestball. He is your most drafted player in best ball. Yeah, that says nothing about him though. Thanks, Kyle, from the boots on the ground in Atlanta. All right. But wait, back to the question. Have you heard anything about him good or bad? That's the question, Kyle. He's a starting wide receiver and three wide receiver sets. That's basically been it. He has no information. Just say no. I haven't heard anything. Here we go. A from August 5th.

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Cousins was 9 of 10, finding wide receiver Darnell Mooney, four different times, his most active receiver of the day. There you go. Okay, so active. Yeah, look. It's something. The latest on Brandon Ayuk. Steelers are back in, according to Adam Schefter. Dude. The Patriots are moving on. Yeah, they are. That's the last report. But then we had Ricky Pearsall aggravated shoulder. injury. I mean, the 49ers went down hard yesterday. Yes. But Brandon Ayyuk, I mean, it just seems like he's going to be traded. The situation is more than my heart can handle at this moment. Yeah, you've got to be just spinning like a top. It's absolutely insane. As anyone, like if you're a San Fran, Cisco fan, like you're your knee deep in this. If you got him, if you have any investment in Brandon Ayuk, you are all about this.

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