Week 15 Matchups + Wheel of Shame, A Bit Cheaper - Fantasy Football Podcast for 12/15

Well, we had the game last night that we all expected between the charges and Raiders just as we thought it would go. We're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about the second half of the games and the matchups this week and get you ready for the playoffs. Make sure you subscribe and enjoy the show. To the fantasy footballers podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in. Well. Well.

Well, yeah, well. Friday, the fantasy footballers, that was a reaction to the low scoring affair from last night. Well, I hope you bet you over. Oh, I did. And I am happy. I should get bonus. Like, you should get a bonus if you bet you over. If you double it? And you double it. No, your bonus is retracted as you immediately were like, I've made a huge mistake. I did think that. Yeah. Yeah, I bet the over. So you just get your winnings. I bet the over a couple days ago when it was 34. And I didn't know that, you know, we thought Jacobs might be out, but we thought Keenan would be in. And then these players start dropping. And then we're like, ah, there's no way we'll get 84 points, right? 84. That means they beat the over by 50. Right? Wow. They beat the over by 50 points. So the Raiders, 63, the Chargers 21.

Jason has a good analysis on this game. Fantasy while. Yeah, basically here's, at the end of the day, the players that were good were Easton Stick, Aiden O'Connell, Zemir White, Jacoby Myers, Brandon Bolden. Don't forget about Trey Tucker. Oh, I'm halfway through. Oh, I'm sorry. Trey Tucker, Michael Mayer, Joshua Palmer, Quentin Johnston. Everyone, but, Austin Echler. So, I mean, it's insane. Every single player on both, even if you were terrible. I mean, East and Stick couldn't have been worse. Wonderful fantasy game. Absolutely outstanding. Three touchdowns. What Charger was most likely played last night? Oh, that's Austin Echler. Yeah. Yeah. The one that you played, he got six carries. I also got four receptions. Oh, I apologize. Five carries.

I mean, I guess I don't want to just be rubbing in it, but it's like the points you got from Echler in the second half, count your blessings on those. Do you see him marking as big first down that he got in the second half and they were down 63 to 7? Because like, or 55 to 7 or whatever it was? After the first half when it was 42, zero, do I have that right? It was around there. And the fact that Echler even. Saw the field. Saw the field to get more opportunities is like, okay. The fact that Echo didn't finish with a point, I know that doesn't bring any warm, fuzzy feelings that you got six or in, I think it was about six and a half point scoring format. But it could have been way worse. I found myself very thankful that we pushed for the Raiders defense to be started. The Raiders defense forced five fumbles, scored two touchdowns.

Unfortunately, I face them in two of my six playoff leagues. Those matchups feel done. Yeah, see next year. They feel over. They're not done. They're not. But like that is, you know, one one player, any one player can have a great game and still lose. It's just really. 29 points. It's extra. One of the leagues. When it comes from a defense, when a, when a defense or a kicker ends up with one of those crazy 25 point weeks, that's. I was complaining about it before the second interception for a touchdown. And then it got worse. And then I looked at the clock and there's 12 minutes left. So all I was waiting for was a third touchdown. But no, Jason is right. I mean, if you played somebody, look, I said I dropped Joshua Palmer. If you got halfway through this game, you were like, thank goodness. And then a 79 year touchdown. Broken coverage. I think it's probably the best for you that you dropped him. So you don't look at that.

and be tempted into next week. Well, right now we have Brandon Staley still the coach. Yeah. They probably have a plan to move on from him after the season that doesn't involve firing him now. I feel like if you fired him now, there's more hope for some of these offensive players to be playing inspired or with an interim coach. Like, Keenan Allen returning to this dumpster fire. Like, if I'm keen and I'm taking another week or two off. Yeah, I'm getting to a hondo. Yeah. For sure. Also, uh, Jason, I saw you tweet it. We had the exact same thought. The Vikings? How good are the Vikings? We've been saying the Vikings defense is legit, but they just shut this team out last, four days ago. Four days ago, they shut them out. They couldn't score a point. And then all of a sudden, four days later, against the Chargers, Aiden O'Connell can do no wrong. Aidan O'Connell could do no wrong. He could have thrown.

More touchdowns. And he only threw four. Jacoby Myers threw one. That was a real knife twist for me. Yeah, you are playing in our league of record. You have Devante Adams. Congratulations. Thanks. You are playing against someone who was forced to play Jacoby Myers. Who threw the touchdown to Devonte Adams. The worst part was someone I was complaining the Adams hadn't scored a touchdown. Everyone else had. And someone said, oh, he finally got his. I'm like, yeah. that I went and looked and it got thrown to by my opponent. It was a heck of a wild game. Nothing we expected. Now, Jason, I saw you did have some comments as we put a bow on this about Al Michaels. And did you, did your opinion? Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to bury the man, but he's my all-time favorite broadcaster. Sure. The most buttery, sultry voice, some of the most famous calls, a great sense of humor, willingness to point out things that are, you know, that.

Yeah, more bravado to come out and say something's wrong. I mean, the dude is asleep at the wheel. Like, just let's sunset. Let's move forward because it's just like, it's so boring. And there was enough opportunity in this game for excitement. It's just such a boring call now. Fantasy people, like that was a fun game. And the last bit of advice I'll give here is just take a peek at your waiver wire. perhaps the Buffalo Bills or the Denver Broncos are on your waiver wire, and they will be playing the chargers in the upcoming weeks. Yeah, yeah, that was a catastrophe. I have to imagine that the team will bounce back in some way after this performance, but that team quit. Yeah, I mean, it certainly seemed like a team that was not, they don't get an A for effort. No. All right, it's Friday.

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I believe Tyreek Hill is very, very committed to 2,000 yards. So I think that that will, you know, in the team's interest, can they beat the Jets without those two guys? 100%. So when you talk about matchups, like there are certain matchups you face. They can also lose to them. I mean, they made this decision with H. Chan two weeks ago. They sat H.N. down. He was questionable going into the week. They were playing the Jets and they didn't play him. I think they. view A-chan as a player they need in the stretch run. Their offense is significantly better when they have A-chan. Despite how great Rahim Oster has been, A-chan provides something really important for them. And they can beat the Jets without them, but they can also lose to the Tennessee Titans last week with him. And their stretch run coming forward, if you're unaware, the Dolphins, they play the Jets this week. I know it's an eight-and-a-half-point spread. I said yesterday on the matchup preview. That would be my almost upset. I could see the Jets making that a competitive game.

then Dallas, then Baltimore, then Buffalo. That's how the season finishes. That's exactly why you shouldn't play HN if you're done because of those games. Maybe, yeah. So he didn't practice again. So this is not, it was not a rest day for Devon H.N. Their head coach came out and said for both players, they're unknowns as to whether they'll be available. And we will monitor it closely. We have the Injury Blitz podcast. Which comes this afternoon on Jointhefoot.com. Matthew Betts, our injury expert will have the latest news. If I'm an A-chan manager, I am picking up Jeff Wilson, because I think Jeff Wilson will be an okay play as, you know, he'll be the 40% of a timeshare against the Jets bad run defense. Okay, CJ Stroud didn't practice. Nico Collins didn't practice. Chris Godwin didn't practice. I don't think Godwin is looking very good for this week, and he probably wasn't in your lineup anyway. Yeah, but Stroud and Nico not.

Practicing on Thursday, that's not great. Yeah, for Stroud, if you're not progressing through, at least limited. Yeah, when you don't see the progression through the Kikasha Protocol, then you can be pretty confident you are not clearing it. So as of right now, I see as I see Stroud as out because he's not progressed at all. AJ Dillon, broken thumb did not practice on Thursday. Aaron Jones remained limited. Christian Watson didn't practice. Quick thoughts on those three who will be out there? I mean, Jaden Reed and Romeo Dobbs seem like good plays this week. It's a pretty nice matchup for both players and the passing game. I talked about yesterday. I like Jordan Love. And if they don't have these other weapons, that consolidation of where the ball's going to go is valuable for fantasy. Brian Robinson remained sideline on Thursday. We did the research into the comments. The comments were all from Ron Rivera saying we expect them back of practice. It was interpreted by another sources.

expecting him back for the week. It was all about practice. Haven't seen him at practice. Definitely in jeopardy of not playing. Yeah, the matchup's not great, but Gibson will. And Rodriguez. Yeah, yeah. But if they're both there, you're picking up Gibson, right? Sure. Okay. Isaiah Pacheco didn't practice again on Thursday. That seems like an unlikely start. Chris Oliva did not practice again on Thursday due to the ankle. Rashid Shaheed was limited. Could get him back this week. Hollywood Brown returned to a limited practice on Thursday. That's okay. Goodness. And the deucers are going to let us know if they hear anything updated, especially from the East Coast practices as we record the rest of the show. That was today's news and notes presented by USAA Insurance. Learn more at USAA.com slash insurance. Fantasy forecast. Yesterday we covered the Vikings, Bengals, Steelers, Colts, Broncos, Lions, Bears, Browns, Buccaneers, Packers, Titans, Jets, and Dolphins. So if you want to hear the breakdowns of those games,

Just click on yesterday's episode. Which you should have already listened to. Ooh. Yeah, we really prefer you listen in order. Was that a scolding, Mike? No, nope. That was just a educational too. Yeah, yeah. It was just a stern warning. Watch yourself. Be careful what you click on. Never miss an episode ever. Or I will find you. Yeah, Mike does spend most of his weekends. He holds on to his revenge really well. Mike is a grudge holder. Yes, he is. Mike, I'm working on it. We thought, I'm getting even better. Yeah, I was going to say, the only working on it you're doing is you are now impressing me even more. Like, I don't know, we're like two weeks or three weeks removed from the trade deadline when you didn't get any compensation for Michael Pittman. Uh-huh. You're still tracking what team's performance that turned you down would have been if they had traded for Michael Pittman. I.

may or may not have DMed your opponents earlier this week saying, oh man, Michael Pimman, wide receiver 11 sure looked good on your team right now. You did? You're not right. You sent me your analysis. I didn't know you had DM'd directly. Oh, my goodness. Dude, you should set up a website like regrets.com all the what could have been. That's funny. That means Jason's still going to hear about it. All right. No, no, he's already paid the ultimate price. He just, he would have been in the playoffs. I would have. That's, that's the worst part is it's not like, oh, maybe, no, I would have. The Kansas City. I have Josh Downs. I can't possibly trade for Michael Pittman. Oh my gosh. Jason wants to punch you. No, I unplugged his laptop. Oh, man. Yeah, now hour and a half from now hours. My battery will be on. All right. Let's start here. The Kansas City Chiefs.

Eight and five, take on the three and ten New England Patriots, the Draft King Sportsbook Line, Kansas City minus eight. The over-under is 37. This is by far the lowest over-under in the Patrick Mahomes era. It's not been good for fantasy purposes for Patrick Mahomes. Here's what I will say. They're facing New England who's been a very good defense. They're coming off a game that was an embarrassing loss and all the emotions. Reed is pretty good after a loss. But I feel backed into Mahomes in a certain league. Like I missed out on Stafford, which sounds crazy to say. But I missed out on picking up Stafford to play over Mahomes. And literally this morning I'm going, Jason, I need upside. Is it Mahomes? Is it Russell Wilson? Like these are real questions. And we decided Mahomes over Russ. Russ doesn't really have the upside. But when you are having that level of.

Question? Yeah, a question about Patrick Mahomes for the first time ever, and it's completely legitimate. You know, this is a matchup where, first of all, he hasn't had a ton of big blow-up games. His floor is much lower. His receiving core has not gotten it done other than Rushie Rice. Travis Kelsey's lost the step, and it's a bad matchup with a low over-under. So. I think there are other options. You know, like if you faced the Raiders defense, so you were like, I need a big explosive option. That's where it's like you could make a pretty compelling argument for like Sam Howell over Patrick. Yeah, and that's a tough thing. And Mike, maybe you have some thoughts of it. Like if you got Raiders last night, try to have a measured response to that. Because if you pivot every.

quality player for a high ceiling chance, low floor chance, you could undermine your comeback as well. So you have to find the balance, right? You don't want to just try to throw in a bunch of dart throws to survive. Like you can chunk that back. Like obviously a couple players on your opponent that aren't the Raiders can have dud games and you'll right back into it. It just feels bad right now. So don't overreact. In the last seven weeks, how many times has Patrick Mahomes hit the very low bar of 20 fantasy points? Well, there's not going to be good.

20, just 20. And how many weeks? The last seven weeks. I'm going to say two. I'll go one. Mike is right. Andy, you doubled it. One time has he hit 20 points in the last seven weeks. It's very easy to see. Four point passing. You're not going to have Pacheco. So you're not moving the ball on the ground as well. You have one true, reliable receiver in Travis Kelsey who will be, I mean, the Patriots are going to focus on. So now you're just telling Patrick Mahomes, go have success with. Tony and Watson and NBS and Rashi Rice and score enough fantasy points with those guys. Like you can make a play. You can score a touchdown. But it's really hard to pile up three or four if you don't hit the big play. Like Patrick Mahomes' history is hitting the big play. And that's just not been there. So do I think they win the game? Yeah. Do I think you get huge fantasy production? I wouldn't count on it. McKinnon, Clyde, both will split the opportunities. And...

You're hoping you end up with the touchdown. It'll probably be one on the ground between the two. Good luck making the choice. I mean, McKinnon has got the, if you're in a PPR league, it's got to be your pick. And he also seems to be the preferred back when they get inside the five or so. And it wasn't just this week. I mean, we had seen that when the season opened as well. So I lean McKinnon over, if you're picking between the two, I lean McKinnon slightly, but not like a fist pump of confidence. And Rashi Rice is in the start category, for sure. On the other side, DeMario Douglas, out of the concussion protocol, should play. Devante Parker is limited. He missed last week. Juju had the big game. Do you care? No, I don't care about DeMario Douglas. Do you care about Hunter Henry at all? I don't care about Hunter Henry. You want nobody? I want, no, that's not true. I want Ezekiel Elliott. I think Ezekiel Elliott's a good play.

Over the course of the season, the Chiefs haven't been stout at stopping the run. Their passing defense is better than their rushing defense. Zeke is going to probably get at least five targets and 15 carries. If you're telling me a player gets 20 opportunities, they're in my lineup. Okay. Anything else from this game you guys want to discuss? I think that's it. All right, the New York Giants, Tommy DeVito, five and eight, take on the six and seven Northern Saints division leading, right? Are they? No. I believe it's Tampa. The bucks are. Oh, that's right. Same record, but yeah. Draft King Sportsbook Line, New Orleans minus five at home over under is 39. This is a good DST to play, I believe. I'm seeing a picture of Jason Moore from the show where he had to wear. He had to wear the fedora week from Fedora Week. And he looked very much like Tommy DeVito's agent. He does. Yeah. So how encouraged were you by the offensive performance by the Giants and how, you know, how are you viewing their starting options this week?

I think there's a lot of optimism around the Giants that is probably unfounded. I know that the Giants fans aren't going to want to hear that. You've won three games in a row. You've got Danny DeVito at quarterback who's won those games. But those games were against the New England Patriots who have, they're one of only two teams eliminated from the playoffs already, against the Washington Manders after they got rid of their defensive line. Last week was a surprising good win against the Packers. But that was coming off of a buy while the Packers are traveling across the country. I just don't believe that this roster is very talented. And I think that the New Orleans Saints in the Superdome have a very good defense. So I am not expecting a fourth win here for the Giants that I'm not expecting huge fantasy production. You can't start a single. There's no wide receiver you could reliably choose.

with confidence to start on the Giants. If I had to dart throw it, it would be Wondale. Yeah, because he had targets last week. Yeah. But it's like, you know, it was high at the week before. Right, exactly. You just play Sequin, right? And you just close your eyes and hope it works out. That's it for the Giants. I mean, you pay attention to Waller if he's active, but I still don't start him. You don't? I don't think so. If I'm in the playoffs, I imagine I've got. I've seen questions coming through. Maybe you do, maybe don't. But the Saints, the last six weeks, 32nd.

against fantasy tight ends. Well, I guess, I mean, look, I would play Isaiah likely over him. And I think that's the bar, right? Because everybody above Isaiah likely in my... Dalton Kincaid was the question I got. Dalton Kincaid or the Waller is. I would play Dalton Kincaid. I went with the higher over under and Kincaid on my answer as well. This is a low over under. This is one of the most inefficient offenses in football on the other side in New Orleans. So you have two inefficient offenses with a 39 point over under. The Giants' defense can have big performances. And I don't have any trust. I mean, if Alave is out, you're talking about Derek Carr trying to move this offense. You obviously play Camara. I mean, that's a lock, but like Taysam Hill is supposed to be back. It'd be a nerve-wracking start. If Alave was out and Rashid Shahid was back, should he be spot started? I think it's a...

I mean, it's a bit of a prayer, but it makes sense. He likes Shahid. I'm telling you. He really does. Did you see all the gifts? That's what I'm saying. Santa Claus Derek Carr came through. Derek Carr gave gifts away to everybody, offensive lion man wide receivers. But the funniest part was he gave, I think, Rolexes to two wide receivers. Yeah. Oh, really? And it was Olave and Shaheed. And then the rest all got... Kid bodied Michael Thomas. Yeah, Michael Thomas. He said he's... You think Derek Carr didn't see the social media stuff? He knows. I would have gave him a lump of coal. Yeah, so he's like... I'm giving him. What's his injury? Like an ankle brace or something? Here's a nice one. Go rest up. One of those fancy copper-lined ones. Oh, yeah. So... So we're... If a lava's active, you're putting him in. Yeah. Yeah.

and then Camara, and then Tayson Hill is just really risky. I'd play Isaiah likely over him. Yeah, I mean, Tayson Hill is more where you could argue Darren Waller or Tayson. Yeah, I would play. I'd try Waller because I'd be looking for a little bit more. Yeah, yeah. All right, quick break, back with some more matches. Brooksie, did you have anybody in last night's? Yeah. Oh, he did? Yeah. So in the matchup last night, Mike versus Brooks. I just want to know who had, oh, Adams. Yeah. He had Adams. And you had nothing? Correct. I had, it was. Which means you have nothing points wise, and he's got 20. Yeah, he had Adams, but the team of destiny. Oh, yeah. Devante Adams versus Austin Echler. Man, that's such a shame for our opponent. For a team of destiny, let me just say one thing. You've won three championships in this league that I'm in a row consecutively. Obviously, you know, I'm obviously not in that league, so that makes sense. You keep trying to get it. Yeah, you've been trying.

I've been trying to be the co-manager of whoever's got the best team to try to beat you. But let me just say this. For a team of destiny with such, like you've been there. Like this is the perfect example of like you have won championship. You're very surprised by the outcomes weekly. Like you, for a team of destiny, you're like, oh, honestly. You're like very surprised at a half. Destiny surprises me all the time. Yeah, that's what I was going to ask. When have you been on the road of destiny and had it not surprised how untraceable the paths? You know, it's like, I don't know the, thank you, Mike. We are humble. We are very humble, humble, humble. Humble, humble. Yeah, humble, humble. Yeah. Humble, humble, humble. Yeah. Humble, champ, humble champ in a row. You know, so. If destiny knows you're getting too high on your horse, it'll knock you down. Yeah, we stay low. I just feel like the definition of destiny is you know what's going to happen. No.

destiny is just right brooks destiny is just mean what is going to happen i mean yeah we know what's going to happen we just don't know how it's also you get surprised by the how yeah surprise on the way i can't wait to find out how right it's the adventures along the way i know we're going to slay the dragon right but like but who's going to do it how i don't know yeah what weapon will you use honestly i and the weapon is often oh it's a nasty boy nasty boys it's just sometimes it's a roundhouse who is the uh the washington

Amanda running back that got you a title. Oh, Jared Patterson. Yeah, he was in our championship week lineup, baby, along with, I believe we've done it with Justin Watson. Hassan Haskins. Superstar. Kyle's in the building today. Oh, yeah. Hey. I feel like I neglected to announce this. Kyle, what's going on? I hate their team so much. Now, you're in that league. Yeah, Kyle, are you going to knock us out of the playoffs? I won't be knocking him out this year. Is he not even in? Wait. Is he not in? What? Did you miss the playoffs? Kyle. Last week I got kicked in the pants. Yeah, he got from division leader to out the playoffs. In one week? Yeah. And did you face Seimir White last night in one of your other leagues? I'm getting destroyed people. I'm just getting annihilated. He told me he was in a league where the only way he could lose the bye week was to lose his final four games. What happened, Kyle? I've lost four in a row. Nice. Yeah. It takes for visiting, Kyle. Yeah, just.

You're not going to like what happens on the pickleball court either. Atlanta, at Carolina, the 6 and 7 Falcons against the 1 and 12, Panthers, Drafking Sportsbook line Atlanta minus 3. The overrunners, 33 and a half. Ooh, that's not good. That's not good at all. Guys, last night, just remember what happened. Yeah, the 84 points on the way. Desmond Ritter, Bryce Young, Ritter last week, balled out. I'll go no and no. He's done that before. Yeah, that's a no and no. Bijon Robinson, of course. Get him in there. He could be a league winner. What do you do at the running back position on the other side? It's definitely Chuba. I mean, the last three weeks, the opportunities are awesome. The problem is the matchup is not very good. The Falcons have been shutting down the run recently. I think this is a volume play that you could put in your lineup. It's more of like a running back three flex option. People are wanting to know Chuba Hubbard or Ty Chantley. Oh, I would definitely go Tye Chandler. Okay. Miles Sanders was 10 for 74 last week.