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Mock Draft! + Players Worth Reaching For | Fantasy Football 2024 - Ep. 1591

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Mock draft staged around draft locations, crew banter, and the hosts' repeated claims that their own rankings make their teams look best.

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Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to crush, humiliate, and totally destroy your competition in your fantasy football draft. It's incredibly simple, so let me just break it down for you. Ultimate Draft Kit. The ultimate draft kit from the fantasy footballers is hands down the best fantasy tool in existence. I mean, come on. It's got sleepers, it's got bus, injury updates, full projections. This thing's even got full dynasty rankings. Don't overthink this. It's the only wingman you'll need the shirt. Head over to Ultimate DraftCube.com and grab your copy right away. To the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your host, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Welcome in Tuesday, July 2nd, the Fantasy Footballers podcast, Jason Moore, Mike Wright, Andy Holloway. Happy to be with you.

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Mock draft episode should be a good time. How you doing, Jason? Doing great. I think this is a really helpful mock because of our locations. Because I'm in the studio right now. Right, right, right. Because like Phoenix, Arizona. Within the draft. We're at the beginning of the round. We're at the end of the round. We're in the middle of the round. All the strategies. I understand what you're saying. But have you ever asked anyone, hey, what's your draft location? And then they say, I'm at the 106. No, they would, they would give me a city. I'm in Vegas. All right. Okay. Okay. Okay. My bad. Al Borland's here on the P's and Q's back in, Duster's Alley, Papa Josh, still employed, back from just, what'd you do over your vacation, Josh? I know you guys traveled all over the place.

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I did absolutely nothing. It was glorious. Congratulations. Same as at work. And then we've got the Falcon in the building as well. So not on vacation. We're very hard last week. Really impressed with that guy. Really impressed. Don't say that. What else do we have? We have an announcement to make. Do you have an announcement button over there? Somewhere. I found it for you. Oh, man. We have so much worse when it comes so late. It's like, I just imagine the guy found the trumpet. He's been looking under the chair for the trumpet. Couldn't get the lock open on the case. We mentioned it last Thursday. We had five spots in the Scotty Fish Bowl to give away. And those went to random winners. Anybody that purchased the UDK, UDK Plus before yesterday.

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So the winners, you guys want to announce the winners? Jason, why don't you do it? Sure. We've got Kenton O. You probably know who you are. That's a rare name. Charles H. Less likely. Andrew W. Anthony N. and Austin M. And we're emailing you as well. Everyone. This isn't a guess and email us type of a situation. We sent the emails out. So you already know. It'd be so much better if we just said the name with one letter of a last name and then just said come get your ticket. And it's like in the lobby. Right. Come on down. Come on. Yeah. You have to come pick it up. And then it's all yours. No, you have all one spots of the Scotty Fishbowl. We'll be playing in that. And it'll be a lot of fun. So congratulations. Also, big announcement because this is the first July episode. A couple of things happen in July. Number one, three shows a week.

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That is correct. Except this week. Well, right. Because Thursday is the 4th of July. I'll be Merican on that day. You'll be, wait, were you saying you're Murrick. Yeah, I made it a verb. Like Murricking? No, Merrickin. That's what he's doing on the 4th. Yeah. Do the, did you pick up any fireworks or anything? I have some, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I already have. The booths, the fireworks, tents are everywhere. Yes, which, you know, we have a good time, but hey. Pro move, guys. I've had these since New Year's Eve when they were closing down and it's a bogo. You go in there, you get your fireworks and they're like bragging about clearance fireworks. I think he's bragging about really old fireworks. I was going to say, I think that you take a certain risk. Really old fireworks. I think you take a risk when you get some ancient fireworks. These are. The fuses might not work. Then you start creeping up to it and you go wait. Hey, if they don't then even better, then we'll just shut it down early.

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Okay, you're old. So three shows a week in July, five shows a week starting in August, all the way through the end of the fantasy football and NFL seasons. And the draft analyzer also comes out on July 1st, which is the last release of the UDK Plus. Worth noting, it's the ability to import your team or manually import your team and get a grade from us. Yeah, it's live now. It's fun. If you've got a dynasty roster, you could throw that in there. If you've completed any drafts, if you do mock drafts like we're doing here today, you want to put your team in there by hand, you could get a grade and see like, what do we think about, we should do this mock draft. This mock, we should all put our teams in. Okay. And then figure out which one of you two get second or third. You're going to be able to handle that? Yeah, I'll be able to handle that. Okay.

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Is that because you got the one-on-one? It probably changes. Your location is the whole. My draft location, yeah. Feeling insecure already at pick six, Jason? Nah. So the draft analyzer available now. Am I allowed to move? Like your draft location. Yeah. I'd like to move it up. No. No, no, you're locked. Okay. So mock draft draft today, ultimate draft kit.com for the draft analyzer and the entire draft kit, which we've been. I saw Jason, you were in your rankings earlier this morning making some tweaks. Every day. Obviously moving all of your dynasty players up a little bit in your project. Whoever's on my roster. I just want to make sure that, you know, my team looks good on the draft analyzer. What else is going on? I think that's it, right? Nothing else, Al? All right. We have a quick question today. I didn't realize that. Andrew wrote in. He said, what does your day-to-day look like as content creators for fantasy football?

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This is like an AMA style question. Yeah, this, I mean, look, you know, we've done this full time for a decade. We're business owners and, you know, running everything. So our day to day looks different. I mean, there's certainly a ton when it comes to the, from the content creation that is always, always, you know, reading the news, reading beat reporters, watching video and film and trying to read articles, whether it's on. insights and new things that are happening around the league or whether it's on, you know, actual fantasy football strategy and making sure that, you know, everything is sharp. But sometimes we're working on products and, you know, making tools for ourselves primarily that we then roll out to the footland because we're like, you know, we want to win. And so we're trying to make, you know, things the best we can. Like right now, we've been working a lot on the draft analyzer. Yeah, certainly. And some more features coming to the UDK in general.

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We want to improve kind of the whole process of using the apps and the website together for 2024. So we're doing a lot of development. This is like development cycle along with the projections and then preparing for the season, which, you know, the content rights itself as content creators when the ball is kicked off in September. And even when you get some preseason, the injury reports, stuff like that. This time of year, though, you know, it's a lot of projection, right? It's a lot of looking forward. predictions about, you know, this is my guy season and ranking season. So a lot of variability with the content creation throughout the year. And we've got a great team helping us out with that. There was one piece of news, not a lot of news, but well, one or two pieces that I want to talk about real quick. CD Lamb says he's not expecting to report to training camp without a new contract. I like that it's he's not expecting. The way that you phrased it was very fun. Oh.

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Well, yeah, I mean, I guess it would be the Dallas Morning News is Calvin Watkins reporting that CD Lamb is not expected to report. It was very Dion Sanders. I think CD would have called Calvin Watkins and said, I'm not planning on reporting. So pay me. This is not out of nowhere, but this sucks. I mean, like, it should get resolved pretty quick just because the way of the way that holdouts work now, the amount of money that people are fined. But you never want your superstar players a level of this unhappy where they're saying, like, I'm not even going to show up to work. And Dallas, specifically with Citi and Dak Prescott, they have some budgetary things to figure out. I feel like they are so old school in their approach to contracts. They just feel...

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wrong. And, you know, they're too late on paying everyone and it costs them extra money. They need to get ahead of the game here. And, you know, do you have any worries? Let's say, let's say Lamb holds out for all of training camp or something. Would you worry about Fat Thor the way you did last year with Josh Jacobs? This is 100% perfect timing for posturing. I mean, training camp doesn't start until what, July 25th? Something like that, yeah. You've got three weeks to put this out there that I'm not going to show up. And you've got precedent set by Justin Jefferson's contract this offseason. We had, what, AJ Brown got paid? On Ross St. Brown. I mean, I'm willing to stone cold lock that we're talking about a deal for CD Lamb before training camp stuff. Yeah, that's probably true. And the best situation is paid CD Lamb for players. It isn't, you know, this current situation. So hopefully he gets paid.

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It has been a little bit odd, but they normally get these things done. Jacoby Brissette right now, according to the athletics, Chad Graff is the Patriot starting quarterback. I am, go ahead, Jay. You comment on that, but I have a thought on the Patriots in general. I was just going to say it's worth noting for whatever league you're in, especially if you're in a Superflex or if you're in a Dynasty League, Jacoby Brissette and Sam Darnold are the starters. And they're... castoffs, their, you know, veteran husbands that, you know, will be replaced by their incoming rookies. But I would be blown away if week one, those two guys are not the starters. Well, shout out to a really old drop there for Jacoby. I think that New England is going to surprise people this year. That is what I believe. I think Kobe Brissette is a pretty good quarterback. They had nobody at the position last year at all. And at quarterback. I genuinely think, I think the

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Here's my prediction. I think eight weeks into the season, the Patriots are 500 or better. That's my prediction. And they're predicted, I think, by the books to be like the worst team in favor. They are. So that's my surprise turnaround team this year in a very tough division. I think the Patriots will be a much better football team. For fantasy purposes, I would say just worth noting of we've seen Jacoby Brie a full-time starter basically two years. You had 2017 where he moved over to the Colts and he was their starter for 15 games. But it was 3,100 passing yards, 13 touchdowns. Then you had two seasons after that where he was the starter for the vast majority again, and that was 2,900 yards and 18 touchdowns. So, I mean, like, offensively for fantasy purposes, they could end up being like a gritty team that they just grind out some wins.

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You know, there's not a lot of goodness to be found here. All right. At least elites. You know, some talk about Jalen Polk making an immediate impact on the roster as well, which Mike and I both really like Jalen Polk. Yeah, but that was hot off the heels of a report that KJ Osborne is clearly the number one and that Douglas is the two and Polk is the three. So we'll see. It's messy up there. It's super messy. I mean, it's not like Javon Baker's even practicing. So that's another name that gets into the mix. And yeah, any thoughts there on New England, Jason? I don't think that they will surprise me. Yeah. I don't think there's going to be a lot of great assets here in the receiving game. You've got Ramandre, who could be a fantasy asset, and then I will be very surprised if one of these 20 wide receivers actually is a weekly starter in fantasy. I'll go so far as to say I'll be shocked. DiMario Douglas? Correct. So a weekly starter being top 36?

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Yeah, something like that. Okay. Let's get it going. The fantasy footballers mock draft. Well, Jason talked about our locations earlier. I'm at 101, so the first pick. Jason's at the 106, and Mike has the 12th pick in the draft. He's the caboose. No comments, Mike. Can you handle Jason today? He's something. Yeah. He's in an elite form. Mike and I will have the experience of dealing with the turn and back-to-back picks. Jason will be right smack dab in the middle. It won't be a fantasy footballer's mock draft if all his hopes and dreams of who will drop to him doesn't, you know, if they do come true, I guess it won't be a normal mock. But this is a 12 team, one quarterback, two running back, two wide receiver, one tight-in, one flex, four bench, looking at half PPR scoring for today's mock draft.

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And I have the first pick. And I believe our last mock draft, we did a full PPR three wide receiver. Is that correct? Was that the Mayhem draft? Mike, were you here for that? If this was a three, like the pick is going to be Christian McCaffrey. What? But if it was a three wide receiver draft and it was PPR, would that change your mind at all? No. Yeah, I didn't think so. I'm going to go Christian McCaffrey at 101, but Lamb Hill. Jefferson and Breece Hall, they go two through five. Jason on the clock at 106. I thought this would be an extremely easy pick because I've kind of got a clear top six and I'm at the 106. However, Breece Hall and Justin Jefferson snuck into that. So I've got a good decision here between Bijon, Amon Raw, St. Brown, and Jamar Chase. Love all three of those guys would be happy with any of them. I still.

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believe Jamar Chase is as elite as ever. He's tied to Burrow. I think the situation with Tyler Boyd being gone. Jamar Chase could very easily outproduce C.D. Lamb, Tyreek Hill this year. That's how I've got him. That's how I see him. So I'll take Jamar Chase. Start off with the wide receiver. Okay. That means you passed on Bijon, who, you know, I know that's tough for you. I'm on raw. It is. Wait, could I have had both? No, I was just continuing down the first round. AJ Brown at 109. Goodness. Jamir Gibbs at 110 and Jonathan Taylor at 111. So, Mike, you're going to have back-to-back picks here at the end of the first, top of the second, which you take a second and think about it, and we'll take a quick break. All right. All right. Just to recap, Mike is on the clock. First round so far, I went McCaffrey at 101, then Lamb Hill, Jefferson, Breece Hall.

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Jamar Chase, Bijon Robinson, Chase was to Jason at 6. Amon Rock went 108, then A.J. Brown. Then Gibbs and Taylor at 110, 111. I don't know. Was there anybody in that group, Mike, you were kind of hoping would sneak through to give you a better selection here? I don't think so because it was, I had no idea who was going to drop to me at the 12. And I guess, you know, if those running backs were factoring it, it would be harder. Like, I'm at the edge here. Like if Gibbs was there, you're saying? Yeah, yeah. It's just going for that upside that he can give you. But I know Kyron is one of my picks. Like that I know for sure. And then it would be deciding between Travis ETN. So start very high T, which I don't love to do. But again, it's a mock. So we get to find out at the end if I. You'd be waiting 22 more picks, right? Yeah. Because the wide receivers that you're looking at here.

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I mean, do you feel like you're having to say that they're better than they are to take them at 112? Well, and it's almost like, I would like to get puka here, but it, man. Just doing the puka, Kyron. Going with the ram stack at the turn here feels I just, I don't really want to do that. Let me ask you a question, though, because I've seen, you know, obviously rankings different places, different thoughts. One of the decisions I had to make this offseason in Dynasty, or sorry, in our League of Record was the Sequin, Chiron decision. Yeah. It's one you have to make here. You know, does that type of having to go Rams, Rams or going, you know, Sequin and Puka, is that in consideration? Is the gap? It's the gap to me, I'm all in on Chiron. Like, I believe that it will be, maybe not as great as last year because the Rams were.

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you know, a pretty strong offense. But I think the utilization will be, it's going to be Kyron Williams. And Blake Quorum is brought in to be a guy who gives Kyron a break every once in a while. But I think that he is still the engine. So I'm going to take Kyron. And then it's, like I was saying about the wide receivers is, is Garrett Wilson or Marvin Harrison for me, both have, you know, pretty glaring issues of Marvin Harrison. He's never played a snap of football and taking a rookie wide receiver at the 201. It carries a lot of risk. This is uncharted territory. And Garrett Wilson of, is Aaron Rogers really going to be Aaron Rogers? And it's really fragile. If Rogers misses time, you're going to feel like you're up a creek yet again. So what I have not done, though, is like my rankings definitely have Garrett Wilson higher.

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But I'm going to take Marvin Harrison just because I want to see what it feels like, what my team looks like at the end here, leading with a rookie. Well, it's a more comfortable place to be if you've got to wait 22 picks to have it split running back wide receiver. Well, I'm saying between Marv and Garrett Wilson. Gotcha. Yeah, do you view, I mean, the stuff you said about Garrett Wilson with Aaron Rogers, do you, do either of you guys think the exact same way about Drake London with Kirk Cousins? Both guys coming back from the Achilles injury. I just mean, it seems like the narrative around Garrett Wilson is 100% about the health of Aaron Rogers. I don't feel like I hear that as much about Drake London. I think it's identical. I mean, the difference is we've seen a little bit more from Garrett Wilson than we have from Drake London, you know, the target volume that he's had over the couple of years. But it's a complete shift in systems in Atlanta. So I expect the target volume to go up for Drake London as well. And both these teams.

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I mean, they've got the Achilles quarterbacks, but they both upgraded their backup quarterback, which is sadly important. Kirk Cousins is somebody who actually changed his location. Yes, his draft location moved. Harrison to Mike at 201. Then Garrett Wilson did go next, Pooka Nakua, so three wide outs to start round two. Sequin Barclay at 204, Sam Leporta at 205. So, I mean, we're going to see that. We're going to see it. And then Devante Adams at 206. So, Mike, you're reacting to. Hi. Just don't... I mean, look, if Loporta catches 13 touchdowns, this pick will be worth it. Yes, but that's... If he's the next... If he's the next... If he's the next gronk, you'll be like, ah, he's the first rounder next year. Yeah, but that's a really lofty goal. I know, you know, as a rookie to do what he did, that's also uncharted territory. I'm just saying the... The way that it can go wrong for Sam Leporter right there is it feels...

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It feels like there's far more options and roads that lead to disappointment. Not arguing with you, just arguing with you. Yeah, I believe his expected touchdowns last year were closer to six, six and a half than the double digits that he received. So him taking that leap up to 13 would be surprising to me. Sure. Yeah, I'd be very curious on a historical analysis of the expected touchdowns for Rob Gunkowski for his career. You know what I mean? Like certain players are going to outperform the mean. Jason, you have Jamar Chase in the first round with what you see on the board right now. What are your thoughts on the landscape, the picks available, and whether you regret not going running back in the first round? No, I don't regret it. I mean, it was between Bijan and Jamar Chase in the first round. And now in the second round, I'm between Drake London, who we've been talking about and Travis ETN. Both of those guys are top 10 in my personal rankings. I'm happy with either. Part of me wants to like experiment with Drake London because I haven't taken him.

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And I'm, even though I do expect him to be good, I also avoid risk a lot of times in these first two rounds. And there's a lot more, you know, variables with him where I see myself in real drafts, probably bypassing him where he's going. Either way, Travis ETN's by running back six. I don't have a running back from the first round. I'm not going to let him pass me by. You are the highest right now on ETN. I don't know what's happening today. ETN at 6. I've got him at 7. Jason or Mike at 8. Yeah. But, I mean, there's been some really negative reports about Tank Biggsby again. They did not spend picks in the draft to, you know, for all of the coach speak around ETN's workload and the coach speak about Tank Biggsby's offseason last year turning into nothing. And then talking about Biggsby looking even worse this off season. This is.

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This is Travis Etienne's job right now. And when push comes to shove to win a ball game, you think they're going to throw Tank Biggsby out there? I don't feel that way right now. I 100% believe that they want, like they don't want to use E.T.N. like that comes down to can they actually put Tank Biggsby on the football field? Because that dude was a liability. All right. I almost forgot that I have. picks in this draft. It's been that long since I made a selection. E.TN went to Jason, then London, Olavi Ayuk, and A. Chan leading into two selections. And this is interesting. I don't think we've done a mock where I've been at the 101. I haven't kind of seen the landscape at this point. It feels a little bit strange, if I'm honest. I've got a long, long wait, just like Mike did.

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with 22 picks between these two selections and my next two selections. It's tough. It's brutal, man. You get put in that position where it's like, okay, I'm probably not going to take a quarterback here. But that also means I'm kind of punting the position with the fourth and fifth round not really being a likely spot for me. You've got some question marks with like Diggs and Josh Jacobs sitting here on the board. You've got Derek Henry. That's interesting to me. He has definitely climbed up a little bit in my board over the last couple weeks. Good for you. But not like wildly. I mean, I'm still the lowest of the three of us. But all the big names at the position are kind of gone. Rashad White is there. It'd be quite the PPR tandem between Christian McCaffrey and Rashad White. And then at the wide receiver position, you know, Nico Collins is interesting on the board here. I don't, I have not taken Stefan Diggs and I cannot imagine taking Stefan Diggs here.

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So I think I'm going to lock you in. I think I'm going to take, ooh. This is tough. Being at the turn is tough. I'm going to take Rashad White for my first pick. Is that who you just went, I think I'm going to take and then went oof? Or was that a different player? That would be the appropriate response to drafting Rashad White. The oof, the oof was that I was about to click two running backs. Ah. And then I uffed my way into thinking of what my. wide receiver 1 would look like at pick 412 and 5.01. One way to find out. Dude, your testosterone will be off the charts. This is brutal. It's really fun drafting Christian McCaffrey. It's a lot tougher making these picks in this round. I find when I go McCaffrey, I more often go Hero R.B.

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I'm utilizing McCaffrey as. Yeah, but I don't love, I don't have like a above the rest pick here at wide receiver. I'm going to go with Jalen Waddle, my highest ranked wide receiver on the board. Really? Yeah, I'm going to take Jailen Waddle here. I'm just going with my rankings. But he's so low in the ADP, and he was supposed to drop to me. He was a little bit lower in the ADP, but that's, that's the player I'm going to go with here. Gosh darn it. You had a long wait, so he, he. Where he was in the ADP. He was far down, yeah. I was like, this is easy because, yes, Jalen Waddle is going to have a bounce back. I know you are really bullish on Jailen Waddle. Yeah, you're going to end up, I mean, Mike and I are going to put this on display for you during this draft. You're going to end up reaching ADP-wise on players when you're at the turn. You're just not going to have the luxury of, like this is, there's no gamble like before when you're at a.

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You know, you're picking 10, and it's going to come back quickly in the second round, and you can make that little end-round gamble. I don't have that choice. And so Waddle kind of started to run on some whiteouts here. Evans, Collins, and Diggs go next. Derek Henry at 305, that was a consideration. But Jason, you are back on the clock chasing ETN. I feel like, you know, that's a very comfortable first two pick. Yeah, it lets me go in any direction. I feel like. Looking at the drafts I've enjoyed leaving this season, I really want one of those top five tight ends. But I want like the last one. I don't care whether I get Kelsey or McBride or Andrews or Dalton Cicade, you know, that's left, but I want one of them. So if I, if I believe that, that means my next pick is probably going to be whoever is left over if there's one of those there at the 407. And so.

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You kind of want to think ahead when you're, you know, so I'm not going to go with a quarterback here if, you know, and then all of a sudden I've got one running back, one wide receiver going, you know, into the fifth round. So now I'm looking at wide receiver and running back. I think this is a great spot for Josh Jacobs. If you believe in him, I don't. But I totally see the avenue for believing in him and the value is good there. Other running backs that are on the board. I am in love with Isaiah Pacheco. I believe that he is going to have a great season. He's probably going to be my pick here. And then at wide receiver, I would go to Cooper Cup personally. I still believe in him going forward. There are higher ranked guys like Debo Samuel, DJ Moore, Michael Pittman ahead of him. I think when I look at all these players, I want to go with who excites me. And I am excited about Isaiah Pacheco. I believe he is.

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