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Mock Draft! + Players Worth Reaching For | Fantasy Football 2024 - Ep. 1591

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Mock draft staged around draft locations, crew banter, and the hosts' repeated claims that their own rankings make their teams look best.

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You know, has a very, very high floor. I think he's going to be the workhorse for a better Chiefs offense this year than last year. And I see him as cemented as safe with a lot of upside based on that offense, what they can do with Patrick Mahomes. And it's a good time to remind you when we talk about ADP average draft position. We have an ADP comparison tool on the website and the ultimate draft kit. It shows where players are going on different platforms. So, you know. Pacheco's going higher on ESPN and Yahoo right now than he is on Sleeper. A player like Waddle, big variation between best ball at 208 all the way down to sleepers, kind of the top of the fourth, but then in Yahoo, it's the end of the third. I believe it was top of the third in this draft. Top of the fourth. This is where he was supposed to go. Well, I certainly wouldn't have gotten him. There was no way for him to come back to me, 22 picks later. So I'm sorry, Mike, but you don't get him. Pacheco to Jason at 306.

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Then Debo, Samuel Pittman, Josh Allen, Josh Jacobs, DJ Moore, you are on the clock. So the names that I am looking at at this point now, Tank Dell is almost certainly one of these picks. When you take Tankdale, do you feel, because I know how much you love Nico, do you feel like you have just like let yourself down that you just got the less than option? the third text in wide receiver? I would call him the second. But I look, ADP-wise, I get he's the third. But no, because I still have Tank Dell in my top 15. Do you say, like when you click the button, do you even just whispered or something? Like,

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Thank you very much. Do you say that? Do I say thank you very much? Thank you very much. What does that have to do with anything? His name. No, I know, but like we were having a good conversation about valuing Texas wide receivers. Which I think take. I think you might be the most valuable. And that's why I would be like when I take it. Thanks for the information. You're welcome. Uh, and then there's the other thing. Uh, I just want to make sure get the full thought process here. Uh, I'm still in on Kenneth Walker. I think that the Seattle offense is going to be improved this year, and they're at least saying the right things to get me hot and bothered about. We're going to be utilizing the run game more. And then my final decision is, do I go, I guess you can just call it how it's known to me is the Jason Moore turn of you take the eagle stack here. You go with Jalen Hertz.

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You go with Devontas Smith. Now, I don't, I can't do that because I want Tank Dell. So I'm going to take Take Dell. But do I? You could take Stroud. I could. Yes, the listeners would be very happy to see me take CJ Stroud right here. But I'm not going to do that. I'm going to, I'm going to take Jalen Hertz. I know I don't have the stack, but I'm going to take Jailen Hurst. I'm going to see it. Man, I'm going to see it. I'm trying some new things here. We'll see if it works out. Kyrin Harrison Dell hurts and then Mahomes goes next. Then Kelsey McBride back to back. Then Lamar. Onezy run. So literally the last six picks hurts Mahomes, Kelsey McBride, Lamar Kincaid. And it's going to keep rolling. Is it? It is. This is the easiest pick for me. I said that I want one of these top five tight ends. And I want the last one. Well, that's exactly what I get. I've got Mark Andrews sitting here as the last of a tier for me.

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I'm much happier with my rosters when I leave with. I think Laporta, Kincaid, McBride, Kelsey, and Mark Andrews, all five could legitimately finish as the number one tight end. So if I'm getting the one that costs the least in the fourth round, I'm very happy with that. Well, it continued beyond you too. You took Mark Andrews and then C.J. Stroud went next. So you actually had eight consecutive picks, quarterback or tight end. Neighbors, Cup, and Devante Smith. Really frustrated right now because Cup and Smith were who I wanted to make it all the way to 412. They were the two picks directly before me. Wide receivers on the board right now, I love George Pickens. I'm going to have to reach for Pickens because I have the turn in a long wait. Amari Cooper sitting there, Zay Flowers, who we talked about as a bust, or I brought up as a bus potential. At quarterback.

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Richardson, Burrow, Prescott. I hate drafting at this spot. Every mock draft we've done, I've had them locked and loaded. And to this draft, it feels, it feels really, really difficult. Mixing, James Cook on the board, Camara. And that's what CMC leading the way. So I'm going to go wide receiver, wide receiver here. I'm going to take George Pickens. And then I'm going to go with D.K. Metcalf, a guy Jason really likes. And I'm going to put Waddle, Pickens, and Metcalf back to back for my three picks. It's a little bit of what you said, Jason, going into the Hero RB. Rashad White's role is secure. The baseline for Rashad White last year was so solid. And so those two should be able to hold it down outside of injury. And so I'll go Pickens and Metcalf. A little bit of explosive capability here with Waddle and with Pickens.

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And then with Mattkaft's touchdown totals, all three of those guys could win you a week. So we'll mix it up. We'll give it a go. James Cook goes next. Joe Mixins, eight flowers. George Kittle and Jason, you're back on the clock. Chase, ETN, Pacheco, and Andrews. Yeah, I'm glad you took DK Metcalf. I feel like I've had him in every single one of my drafts. He's one of the most mispriced ADP according to my rankings, my belief. I'm completely with Mike that I am excited to see the Seattle offense. I think they've got. a lot of great weapons and the coordinator shift I think is going to do a lot for them. Did you see the while you think here, Jason? I want to bring up a tweet by friend of the show Warren Sharp. He tweeted out the highest rate of incompletions dude who inaccurate passes, which a lot of the times we see the completion percentage numbers or stuff like that and we're like make excuses for quarterbacks and bad situations. And.

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He put it together. The highest rate of incompletions due to inaccurate passes was Deshaun Watson. Makes sense. I watched that. Yeah, 43.9% of his incompletions were inaccurate. I mentioned it because the least was Gino Smith. For the best. Yes. Yes, the least amount of inaccuracy as the reasoning behind it. So I thought that was interesting. What was also interesting, though, take it for what you will, but like. Oh, no, that adds up. Bryce Young's on the other end of the spectrum. I misread that. Yeah, Bryce Young is one of the worst. Gino Smith played well last year. For fantasy purposes and fantasy players, we really think it was an awful down year because the touchdowns weren't there. And the truth is he was too high on his touchdown right the year prior. I think the truth is going to be somewhere in the middle. Ironically, this conversation. It's the target, though, a little bit too. Yes, for sure. Because you had like Mahomes down at the, it.

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in the Gino range, which you expect, cousins down there. But at the top, like Lamar Jackson, 36%. That was one of the worst. Oh, I remember him airmailing Bateman down that left sideline about 50 times last season. Probably Bateman's fault. Ironically, run faster. Ironically with this discussion, I'm going to take a guy who was the primary target, is the primary target of the least. accurate quarterback on that list. Amari Cooper when he was playing with that awful DeTron Watson last year, in those five games that those two started together, he was on pace to be the wide receiver six. You know that there is a ceiling here. He's looked great. He has not aged out. The depth chart around him. I'm not afraid of Jerry Judy. This is, you know, he's the leader there. And so to get as my wide receiver two in the fifth round, I'm very happy with that. I really wanted either Cooper or Metcalfe. Kind of like drafting at six.

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I think. Kenneth Walker went, Camara, Keenan, and then we go Kirk, and then we go Kyle Pitts. And Jason, it's Mike's turn to stack somebody with Jalen Hertz here. Yeah, I'm not going to be drafting Goddard if that's what you're... If that's what you're trying to push me into. So it's... Kyran Harrison, Dell, and Hertz so far. So the tears... have not broken how I would have hoped they would. But yeah, man, it's just old man running back situation here. Like it's James Connor, Aaron Jones, David Montgomery. I guess DeAndre Swift is. You got Ramondre, fresh contracts sitting there, Mike. This is it time to make amends? I have vocally said things will probably be better for him than I had initially thought, but I don't think they're going to go great.

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even with him being the primary guy. I imagine you have to take a running back in these two picks, right, because of the weight? Well, I mean, you can load up on some zero RB heroes like, you know, like Zemir White and Zach Moss. Those types of guys will probably be around in my next pick, Jerome Ford. Those types. But I just can't get away from James Connor. Like statistically speaking, I... really wants to move on this year, but he's still in my top 15. Coach Gannon was just talking about James Connor, you know, speaking of like, yeah, I know he's older for running back, but he's going to be the guy. So I'm taking him. And then this, as my wide receiver three, I'm good with this.

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This is going to be T. Higgins. It's going to be T. Higgins. I love T. Higgins here. In the sixth, as my three, we are appropriately pricing in the risk. Yeah, I mean, I would have considered him last round with Amari Cooper, but I took Jemar Chase. It's nice getting about 900 yards receiving in the sixth round there. I mean, that is a steal. T. Higgins is better than the way you be smart. He's a good. Wide receiver, I think he'll have a really solid season in a contract here. It's just been a while since we've felt it. No, I'd like that besmirching is just stating his like yardage totals. But whatever. Addison, Aaron Jones, Roma Dunze, McClorin, Montgomery, go next. Jason, you're on the clock. So here I am. I've got my tight end lockdown. So I'm always going to every round. I'm going to check the other onesie position and just say like, what's the lay of the land in quarterbacks? Do I need to look yet? Do I not? I've got Jamar Chase. So Burrow.

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is a guy I don't usually draft because he's a pocket quarterback, but he is there for the stack. And then there's three pocket quarterbacks left. There's, or I'm sorry, mobile quarterbacks left. There's Anthony Richardson, who I'd need to take right now if I want to get him. Kyler Murray. Wait, Richardson's still there? Richardson is still there in the sixth. He's usually going in the fifth. You've got Kyler Murray, a great value, and then Jaden Daniels. I'm always targeting those three guys. Since I've got two running backs, I've got two wide receivers. Because of the slip for Anthony Richardson, I am going to take him here.

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I don't feel like he would have done that if you hadn't reacted the way you did. I think he would have. He would have figured it out. Richardson at 607 to Jason. That would be delightful. Godwin Ramandre, who I, again, another player I thought might sneak all the way to me. And then Burrow. So two more quarterbacks go off the board. I had my eyes on Richardson or Kyler Murray with one of my two picks here at the turn. I'll let you know who it is in a minute. Oh, the suspense. So is it going to be Richardson or Kyler? Yeah, it's Kyler. Yeah, no. I was going to say. Because Richardson's gone. You're like, don't gamble with Kyler. He's, he never makes it back. Oh, yeah, from experience. Yeah, no, there was no chance. I was curious to see if any quarterbacks were going to go in the sixth round at all. Jason broke the ice. Sitting here at 701, DeAndre Swift, a starter in Chicago still available. Mostert last year's.

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Running Back 2 still available. And then some of those names that you mentioned, Mike, that are going to fall, the Zemir White and, look, Najee's on the board. Yeah. As a running back three, there's some reliability there. And at wide receiver, you've got some, I just got to do what I always do. I'm taking Calvin Ridley at 701. Calvin Ridley is going to my draft without getting him. Apparently. I'm going to I'm going to bang the drum for Calvin Ridley all off season long. You are the reason that bears me or not. You're the reason his ADP stays where it is because you take them every time in the mock drafts. All right. So here I am a lot of the same exact names. Swift is gone. Worthy, Dak, and Rashi Rice. Exactly. So those are four guys. You were just talking about who you liked and.

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Those four players that went from after you picked, I don't want any of them. I'm not really into Rice or Xavier Worthy right now. I've got a quarterback, and DeAndre Swift's okay, but there are other running backs I would prefer. So it's similar names to what you were just talking about. Najee Harris, Rahim Mostert, even Zemir White sitting there if I'm looking at running back. Since I've only got two running backs, two wide receivers, Jamar Chase and Amari Cooper, I would rather go with a wide receiver here. The wide receiver I want has a lower ADP than the running back that I want. So I'm going to play the game and see if I can get the guy that I want at wide receiver in the next round. There's a lot of not names that you're saying right there. Mike's Mike's there. Why don't you just tell us who you want to draft? I mean, you should probably inform the audience. I will inform them when he is selected or when I select him. So look, this is not a sexy fun pick.

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But Najee Harris gets a lot of work. He's been, you know, he's going to be a top 20 running back for sure. And to get him in the seventh round as my running back three is just a nice, solid depth piece. Don't disagree with any of that. However, you are now the team with Najee Harris, just so you know. Yeah, that is the problem of selecting him. Yeah, Jordan Love goes next. It's a by product. Chubb, Caleb Williams, Zmir White. Mike, you're on the clock. Two picks. You have your quarterback. You will need a tight end over the next five.

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But 712 and 801 was really hoping that most orders Amir White would have made it to the turn. Unfortunately, that is not what has happened. So at the top of the 80P board here, Javante Williams, which goodness gracious, my bets against Javante Williams just continually, they're stacking on top of each other. So I just, yeah, I don't know that I can take him. Austin Echler, Jonathan Brooks, Jalen Warren, Zach, look, if I'm going to take a running back, Zach Moss is going to be a part of it. So then let me go looking at the wide receivers. ADP-wise, you're talking, Jaden Reed, Hollywood Brown, DeAndre Hopkins, Ladd McConkey, who just got himself, was it Herbert was talking about him? You shared a little. No, there was just a report of him picking up the offense easily. Yeah, so Ladd McConkey's an interesting rookie where it's,

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We are in rookie territory where you're going to want to start loading up here in the 7th and the 8th of these first round draft picks that their ADP is not Marvin Harrison high, although Marvin Harrison is on my team. I'm going to take Zach Moss and then at the wide receiver position. Man, this is just a tier of players that I don't have the excitement. I don't have true excitement. Like Hopkins and Deontay Johnson and Hollywood Brown and. Curtis Samuel and Jason. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's Christian Watson. It's almost like a reason they're going in the eighth. Sounds like you should take Evan Ingram, your man at the tight end position in the eighth. Why? I'm sorry, Andy's man. Hold on, hold on. Why is that Jason? He's my guy. I really like him. Why should I do that? Well, I think that you should do that because you don't like any of the wide receivers. You need a tight end and you've always loved Evan Ingram. That was. Oh yeah. Who are you waiting to come back to you?

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Oh, my TBD. It probably Evan Ingram, man. For your second tight end. Yeah. So for my tight end strategy, it was, do I take Evan Engram here or do I wait for Jake Ferguson? Because I am perfectly happy leaving a draft with Jake Ferguson in the, whatever, the 9th of the 10th. I am going to, who are my wide receivers? So I got Marv, I got Tank, I got T. Higgins. Wide receiver 4. Sorry, man. It's rough on the edge. Yeah, Jane Reed's the pit. I'm going to take Jane Reed. That's not him. I wanted Ladd McConkey, but I figured he went right afterwards. I'm a big, I'm a believer that I'm a big lad. I'm a big lad. And I do believe that he is going to be someone, you know, that rookie season is extremely, he's the number one wide receiver for Justin Herbert. That's how I have it stated. That's my belief that happens in his rookie season.

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Maybe that's not the case, but when you are in the eighth round, you could take those gambles. McConkey, Hollywood, Jonathan Brooks, Giovante Williams, and DeAndre Hopkins off the board. Jason gets to add to his roster at 807. Thankfully, there were two wide receivers of that I really wanted. One of them did make it back to me. We have spoke kindly of Gino Smith, of the Seahawks offense. I know it was a disappointing rookie season, but Jackson Smith and the Jigbo is supposed to be a superstar wide receiver going into his second season. He is playing the role that is so good coming from that Washington offense. You know, what, how they utilized him, the role that he was in his rookie season, I think was part of the problem. He had so, his average depth of target might as well been like, you know, a foot.

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It was so putrid. And so I believe that this new coordinator coming in with the system he's bringing will fit him a lot. All the reports have been glowing about him. So I've been happy getting JSN late in a lot of drafts. Brian Thomas goes next and then three tight ends, Bowers, Ferguson, Ingram, which means I'm going to, I'm going to jump on the very back of this run with a guy that I believe in and David Najoku. And then I'm going to swing back around and solidify my wide receiver room. Yeah. Or sorry, my running back room. I'm going to take. I tried to help you out, Mike. Yeah, you did. I'm going to take Jalen Warren here, two rounds after Najee Harris, the more productive back on a per touch basis than Najee last year. Warren's going to benefit from the same offensive line improvements that Najee would benefit from. And the future of Najee Harris is unlikely to be with this team. So I think Warren is a sneaky pick late in the draft. Tua goes next. Then Watson, Eckler, Deontay, and back to Jason.

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We have three picks left, gentlemen. Yeah, so I'm pretty balanced. I've got my quarterback. I've got my tight end. I'm looking at running back or wide receiver. The names that are out there at wide receiver, you could take the shot on Jabison Williams, hope that he's going to finally have an NFL career. You could go deeper with other Packers. There's not a lot that I like unless you want to try a rookie like Keon Coleman. But there are other rookies that I... prefer even at running back. So, Trey Benson is, he was my number one running back coming into the season. I agree with everything Mike said, but when an injury happens to someone who has never played a full season in his career, Trey Benson should dominate. So I'm looking at my team and you can, you, this is where it's like, do I want to back up who could be a league winner, Trey Benson, you know, an injury ahead of him? Or do I need depth in someone like Devon Singletary who's just a starter?

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Like Devon Singletary more likely has more fantasy points at the end of the season than Trey Benson. But also probably doesn't get in my lineup very often and doesn't help me. Trey Benson wins a league for me if he gets that opportunity. So I'm going to take Trey Benson, Arizona Cardinals rookie running back. Hawkinson, Purdy, Coleman, Gough, Goddardt, and Mike, you didn't even get Goddard. You didn't even get your chance to stack it. So when you thought about tight-in, there were six tight-ins that went after you had that decision. I'll be... Which is a lot. To be transparent, I did not see that tight-end run happening there at the end of the eighth round. Don't worry. The senator's still there, Mike. No, no. But so that, look, the tight-end position, we are at a complete punt now.

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So it's do you go with the doctor, just chase the Houston Texans offense, hope that the muth can get luth, or then you're looking at, you know, we added Noah Fant into the UDK, right? I think we added him as a sleeper up there in Minnesota. A lot of things make sense for him. Did you mean Seattle? Yeah, what did I say? You said Minnesota. Oh, I'm sorry, yeah, Seattle. A lot of things make sense for him of letting other tight ends go, bringing him back for a good amount of money. And then there's also just, it's very off brand. But the reports of Taysam Hill working with the running back room and the chance that he is heavily featured on the goal line, I think it's a pretty interesting situation. Regardless, like, I don't have to.

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I don't have to take my tight in here, do I guys? You don't have to. You can see what. You can see what happens when the doctor goes and the mute goes, and then you will end up with the senator. Yeah, no, that's, I'm going to take Dalton Schultz. We're going to avoid a full catastrophe. And then I have, I have said it that, look, if I have Kyron Williams on my team, Blake Corum is a must draft at the end. Blake Corum's on the top of my list of guys I really want to draft regardless. But if I have Kyron, I hate the fact that I have to carry an insurance running back, but I believe should Kyron miss time, Blake Corum goes, he gets plugged right in and he gives me a good percentage of Kyron's production. All right, Brian Robinson and Devon Singletary went after that. Jason, you're back on the clock. Adonai Mitchell off the board as well. Two picks left.

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You can do whatever you want. You've got your onesies already. There's a rookie wide receiver that I think will come to the next round because this is a player that's mostly undrafted. I expect him to be my final pick. But this, my second to last pick, because I know I'm going with the more unproven hopeful, I want to go with like a veteran wide receiver who can just plug in an important role. So I'm asking you two guys between Curtis Samuel and Joshua Palmer. I think both guys have important roles to play with good quarterbacks. Which one would you guys prefer? I would take Curtis. I'd probably take the shot on Curtis because they're both veterans. Palmer it is. But which one has a shot at like staying on your roster before by week two? Sure. They gave money to Curtis Samuel to bring him in. It's funny how high key on Coleman goes and drafts. And Curtis Samuel is left for dead. Curtis Samuel, I have statted out as the wide receiver won for Buffalo. So I will take him and add him to the roster.

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All right, I will close things out, adding Gus Bus to the roster. If Gus Edwards is seriously going in the 10th of home league drafts, that's outrageous. If you're taking Gus Edwards on your mock draft and you don't play the Gus Bus, I am, I don't even know who you are. Thank you. Yeah. The last spot's tough for me because. I feel like my wide receivers. I've got big names, Waddle, Pickens, Metcalf, Ridley. And so taking a flyer on, you know, aforementioned Palmer or like Rashid Shaheed is at the top of my wide receiver list. Like he's going to be a starter, explosive, great opportunity. Or you could just take another starter in Zeke. But then going Gus and Zeke back to back, that just feels like old and dirty. Enjoy the floor. It's disgusting. Yeah, it's gross.

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Shaheed or Leighette, who would you take if you were me? Leighette, Jason would. Oh, I thought Legate was the one you were going to be trying to get in here in the middle of the... I'll take Rashid Jihad. I made the decision. Ligat is definitely in consideration. I love the talent of the player. He was one of those guys that we said, if you weren't with us during the draft season, this is a, I don't know, a 17th year breakout played for college has to have three or four degrees. played forever and finally was great. But I believe in him. I really do. I think he's talented. The problem was that he went to Bryce Young and I don't believe in him. So I'm actually going to go with Roman Wilson. Roman Wilson has an opportunity here to clearly be the second player. He's the second best wide receiver on the team. And, you know, the Steelers, they just have a history of getting great wide receivers in the draft that are productive. But they also have a history of their rookie wide receivers are.

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takes them some time. That's my last pick, so I'm not too worried. And like with Arthur Smith, excuse me, coming over, if he brings his two wide receiver sets, I think it's going to, it's going to be hard for Roman Wilson to carve out a roll. Agreed with that. At least early. So Roman Wilson then went Jerome Ford, the Muth, Trevor Lawrence, Khalil Shakir, Kurt Cousins. Jerome Ford, I was hoping he would be the one who drops to me. If we're going to take a flyer here, I'm going to look at the wide receiver. So Legate is still there. Other upside guys. Like Q's still there. I'm not going to do it. No, I'm not going to do that. Palmer's there if you want the better wide receiver. Yeah, that's fair. I'm going to take Kendra Miller. All right, Kendra Miller with the final pick of the draft. Is that embarrassing for Kendra to not even be like a waiver wire prize next week?

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