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The hosts describe releasing the Ultimate Draft Kit like a caged animal into the plains, reject a small bird for a lion, go full Jurassic Park, and say they will put it out, run, and let it rip faces off. Video remains on the normal desk without literal animal imagery.
Jason jokes as though Adam Thielen himself remembers catching 100 Bryce Young passes. Al's off-camera laugh is so large that the desk tells him not to laugh that much and insists the bit is fine rather than worthy of his response.
The hosts say the Nico cue never accumulates on screen because a giant pit beneath the frame catches it for later retrieval. The pit is dialogue-only, but direct video really covers the host desk with falling dollar bills as Nico's contract news begins.
The hosts reveal that producers hear and laugh at botched listener voicemails that probably never air. At the close, a thank-you to 'the whole team' jokingly names only Mike, Andy, and Jason before immediately correcting to the actual full staff; video remains on the trio.
While discussing selfish fantasy reactions, the hosts remember Mike being angry when Elijah Mitchell took the final touchdown in a game where Christian McCaffrey had already scored roughly five times.
Kyle's written Will Levis mantra is 'chuck it deep or get rocked.' The hosts imagine Levis thinking 'It's Levis time' before every snap, invoke Banana Rama, and call him a nearly free three-to-five-leg parlay that probably misses but could turn $5 into $1,000.
A listener accuses the Arizona hosts of overrating Trey McBride. The desk reveals Mike has McBride as TE1 and demands an explanation. Andy initially reacts with disgust, then apologizes and praises Mike for making a courageous conviction ranking capable of winning rather than playing safe.
The inverse Cardinals-homer question asks whether watching Hollywood Brown fail in Arizona made the hosts rank him too low. They say a red Hollywood jersey must be updated yet again because nobody wants him and note that the color still works for Kansas City. Video never shows this jersey; the framed red jersey on set reads MURRAY 1.
Andy's voluntary agreement with Mike does not require the saved Golden Ticket. Jason says his ticket still grants one free Andy Holloway agreement, refuses a proposed ban on using it during My Guys, and waits for the right moment. Direct video shows Andy lifting the real gold card with GOLDEN TICKET printed across it.
Jason says his private league is knowingly governed by his Iron Fist: he can add rules as commissioner because members joined his dictatorship. The main League of Record is the opposite, explicitly requiring a supermajority—not unanimity—for major changes. A revolution joke ends with Jason confirming he removed an unknown replacement manager.
Review of all 35 storyboard sheets plus targeted video shows Mike left in a gray shirt and patterned cap, Andy center in black with cap and glasses, and Jason right in black with a white cap. No live producer cut, fourth host, special costume, Listener League canon, Megalabowl canon, Wheel, or punishment occurs. A generic black bear appears briefly in the standard green opening animation beside the podcast app; it is not identified as Jay Griz and never enters the studio. The Ultimate Draft Kit release is imagined as opening an animal cage, choosing a lion over a bird, going full Jurassic Park, letting it rip faces off, and running away; video remains on the ordinary desk. Al then laughs so hard off camera at Jason's Adam Thielen/Bryce Young joke that the hosts call the bit merely fine and his reaction excessive. The Nico cue supposedly never accumulates because a giant unseen pit beneath the screen catches it. Video does not show that pit, but it does cover the desk in real falling dollar bills for Nico's contract. Mailbag reveals that producers hear and laugh at botched voicemails that probably never air. Mike's touchdown greed gets a retrospective: during a roughly five-touchdown Christian McCaffrey game, he was still angry when Elijah Mitchell took the last score. Kyle supplies Will Levis's mantra, 'chuck it deep or get rocked'; the desk adds 'It's Levis time,' revives Banana Rama, and treats Levis as a nearly free parlay that probably fails but could turn $5 into $1,000. A Cardinals homer audit exposes Mike's Trey McBride conviction. Mike ranks McBride TE1; Andy challenges him, then apologizes for his disgust and praises a courageous ranking that can win. The inverse audit asks whether Arizona failure made the hosts too low on Hollywood Brown. They mention a red Hollywood jersey needing yearly updates because nobody wants Brown; none appears on camera, and the framed red studio jersey is Kyler Murray's. The voluntary McBride agreement does not consume Jason's saved Golden Ticket. Transcript calls it one free Andy Holloway agreement, and video shows Andy lifting the real gold card with GOLDEN TICKET printed across it. Jason then says a private league runs under his Iron Fist: as authoritarian commissioner, he may add rules because members joined his dictatorship. The League of Record is explicitly the opposite—a democracy requiring a supermajority for major changes, not unanimity because one manager may say no for power. Jason jokes about making an example of a revolutionary, retracts it, but confirms ejecting an unknown replacement selected by a departing manager. Finally, a 'whole team' thank-you jokingly names Mike, Andy, and Jason before correcting to the actual staff; video stays on the trio.
24. You know, in order to be successful, you need 4,000 plus yards. You need 30 plus touchdowns. Kirk Cousin has done that several times. He has been very good. You know he can do it. And if you look historically, like for instance, over 4,000 yards, very few quarterbacks have ever done it. Over 24 passing touchdowns, very few rookie quarterbacks have ever done it. One guy did both of them. Justin Herbert. Yeah. He did both. He crushed. He had basically the best rookie quarterback season for a non, you know, Cam Newton, uh, mobile rushing quarterback style. Um, and he was the quarterback eight. So it's like is, yeah, if that's your ceiling is quarterback eight, the biggest problem is not the cousins versus Williams. It's the fact that Purdy, Daniels, Tua, golf, Lawrence, and Herbert are in between those two guys in the draft. If I'm sitting Caleb Williams at, at the end of the eighth round,
or Brock Purdy in the middle of the ninth, or Jared Goff in the late 10th, or the Herbert situation that you just brought up in the 11th, that's when my decision gets more difficult. It wouldn't be, like, I'd rather, I'd just would rather have Caleb Williams and see what happens than Kirk Cousins. Sure, I'm fine with that, but I do agree with you, like Brock Purdy, Justin Herbert, Tua, I would rather have all of those guys. YouTube question coming in from Bobby. He says how? Much does injury potential influence your rankings? If a player is injury prone, how are your rankings impacted compared to a similar player that does not have an injury history? This is a good question. I would start it off by saying I think that very, there's very few players in the NFL where I actually say that's an injury prone player. Like even Keener and Allen had that label, Christian McCaffrey would.
definitely have had that label after the two missed years that he had. And since that time, he's been an Ironman. So it's pretty rare. Like Christian Watson for an example. Christian Watson, I'm like, I think that guy has a really bad injury problem so much that they're spending the offseason trying to figure out why he has an injury problem. I brought up, I tried to tease Jason with like, what is a Kyron Williams? Brees Hall trade looked like in our League of Record. We have those two guys on our keepers on our rosters. And Jason's first reaction is to be pretty hard. Kyrin has this offseason injury report. Now, it's May 29th. It shouldn't be in the back of your head, but you don't know why it is? It's because he was hurt last year. So I think it does have a psychological influence in the way you look at it because you're like, well, I shouldn't think of.
about that, but what if? Yeah, but as far as how it affects our rankings, when we stab people out, there are very few players, and there are a few where I'll basically subtract the game from their actual counting stats. James Connor. James Connor is the name that came to mind. James Connor will not play a full season. He'll play most of the games. He'll play 14 games. You know, he's going to be good on a per game basis, but he just will always miss a couple games because of his play style and history. But for the most part, that all goes into our risk rating. So if you're looking at our rankings and you want to know like, well, you know, who is someone that we are concerned about? Look at that risk rating number because that's where we will, you know, put that into like this, this player might be here in the rankings, but he is a risky pick. But for the most part, we try to not double count injuries and overdo them because we've done this long enough to know that.
There are some injury prone labels. Frank Gore is the Ironman of all Ironman. He was known as someone that was just a complete and utter injury risk. Every year, the first couple years of his career, he was just never able to stay on the field. And then he played until he had grandchildren. Now, I will say the follow up to that then is injuries that are happening in training camp. Yes. Especially soft tissue. You're talking someone's like, Ooh, they're going to miss the rest of camp with a hamstring injury. That will create a dip in the ADP market. It's always tantalizing. Oh, this player that should have cost me a fourth round pick. I'm getting them in the eighth round now. Those we have found taking the risk of the training camp hamstring injury. Those can bite you. I spent a couple years in a row.
writing down at the right at kickoff. I would write down all the players that like, you know, who really struggled? Who was the injury dip players who had a training camp injury or wasn't quite ready or they should be ready for week one? And at the end of the year, I would look and see, okay, how did those fare? And there's always one or two that works out. Yeah. But it's like eight or nine that don't. It's just a bad bet. Don't buy the injury dips. Don't tell me what to do. If I want to buy a dip, Jason. I could be the outlier. I didn't know you're even listening. I wasn't talking to you, brother. Oh, okay. YouTube question, will Jamir Gibbs have a true breakout season? Or will he share a chunk of time again with another support back? Both. Both. I mean, some might say that the breakout happened from week seven on last year where he was the RB3. But that also included. The cheap suit 1743. That was not a true breakout.
Well, I think maybe classifying it as a dominant year from start to finish. Jason said both. I'm with that. There's going to be how many times this year will you be frustrated with David Montgomery as the Jemir Gibbs manager? 10. 10. Well, just because I think David Montgomery has 10 touchdowns. So every time he scores, you'll be 100%. It doesn't matter. If you got Jemir Gibbs and he has three touchdowns and 200 yards in that game and David Montgomery comes in and gets that four touchdown. You won't be pissed. I know because we've been there. We're selfish. We want. Oh my gosh. Mike of all people. Mike is the worst. Mike with Christian McCaffrey. He had like a five touchdown game. And you were so mad, Elijah Mitchell got the last one.
But it's, that just tells me you weren't rooting for Chris McCaffrey. Last year, 13 touchdowns for David Montgomery. But the craziest part of that stat was that he only, in the games he played, he only had three games where he didn't score a rushing touchdown. Yeah. So like, and now you're two years of this in Detroit. You had Jamal Williams who scored. constantly and made, what, was it, DeAndre Swift managers upset? Yes. And then you've got Montgomery who the, it wasn't just chunks. I mean, he had a three touchdown game one time. Then it's one, one, one, one, one, one, one, one. I mean, he just, he is there to bother you. Yeah, so to answer. But the snaps will go down.
Yeah, for David Montgomery. Yeah, the snaps will go down. Jamir Gibbs coming into his second year will get an increase in work. I've only got him with 202 carries, a lot more work in the passing game. And I've got David Montgomery with 10 touchdowns. I've got this, you know, every player in the league is statted out. At the end, David Montgomery is fine. He's a fine player. And Jamir Gibbs is my running back three. That's a true monstrous breakout. I think an electric talent that will have rushing touchdowns, will have receiving touchdowns, we'll get, you know, north of 80 targets. I've got him at 92 targets. He should be a, you know, a fantasy breaker. Let me give you a comp. Well, tell me if it's, it makes any sense, but Melvin Gordon. Oh, Eckler. Eight touchdowns 2019 in the backfield with Austin Eckler. Yeah.
He ended up the running back 23 in 2019. Melvin Gordon did. And Austin Echler that year was the RB6. Yeah. And there was a year. I mean, that seems very similar. The comp to me is like Jamal Charles had a year. I forget who the other guy was. Thomas Jones. Thomas Jones was really effective. Had a lot of Russia touchdowns. But when you've got the juice. We're bringing up Thomas Jones. Go Alvin Camara and. Yeah. And Mark Ingram. Are you okay with that, Mike? Yes, I am. Thomas Jones. Well, Jamal Charles, Thomas Jones, they existed together. The reason Thomas Jones is being brought up is because of-Garison Hearst. It's because of Jamal-Charles. Because even though I loved Alvin Camer, even as a rookie, he was great, not the same type of player. I see a lot of Jamal-Charles type of, you know, action in Gibbs where you just, you do not, if you're a defense.
Don't let him get space because he's gone. He's just over. Well, let me ask this question here. Nick Bryant wants to know, and it's a big question. I think there's lots of opinions. What are your feelings on Will Levis for Fantasy this year? I'm pretty sure Kyle wrote his mantra in here, which he refers to it as chuck it deep or get rocked. I like to think that every snap he like, say it. And right before he says hike and his brain, he goes, it's Levis time. Banana Ram. Look, I'm rooting for Will Levis. I'm going to put it that way. I'm not projecting something special, but I'm rooting for him. He's got weapons. For fantasy this year, I think there'll be three times you'll stream him. I love the idea of taking a shot on Will Levis. Not because I expect it to pay off. Will Levis is a parley.
Okay, that is what Will Levis is this season. Parleys don't usually hit, right? You know, you build this like, oh, it's got three, five legs. I got to have all these things go right. But if they go right, that's going to be a payoff. And that's how I see Will Levis. Like, I don't expect it to go right, but I see that if it goes right, if Will Levis hits with Calvin Ridley and DeAndre Hopkins and. Even Tyler Boyd now added to the mix, Tajay Sharp out of the backfield, the rushing ability. He should have four or five rushing touchdowns as well. If it hits in his year two, you know, that's that $5 parlay that makes you a grand. And so it's like, because it costs you nothing. Will Levis is a 19th round 80p. He's not drafted. Even in two quarterback leagues, you know, he's, he is super late. So.
I like taking the shot. The risk is worth the reward because there is almost no risk. All right. I got to take a break and then come back and I'm aghast over here. I hear that. All right. So the next question, we had some people write in questions about, I guess you'd call them Homer callouts. Okay. Worried that we're ranking certain cardinal players inappropriately. Okay. The first question comes from J. Brittle 4 who says, did you guys overrate Tray McBride? I have obviously, I mean, we've talked about Tray McBride. I do believe that you guys overrate Tray McBride. However, Mike, do you know where you have him right now? I do. Do you know where Tray McBride is on Mike's list? Yep, I see it. But I'm just saying, when you say you guys overeat emphasize Tray McBride, you're speaking of Mike and I have him lower than you. I see his ranking on your list. I see him at five now.
Yeah. Over now we're competing. Who has Dr. McBride the lowest? Or the highest. Depends on what side you want to be. Or the most reasonable. Yeah. The answer is for Mike yes. And me and Jason, no. Okay. Is that a fair answer? That's, well, so to peel back the curtain, Mike, you know that number one is we've got. As a, is a bold call. Yeah. We got to do some explain yourself stuff here. You've got them as you're tied in one. Yeah. Explain yourself. Well, from week 10 on. He was averaging nearly 10 targets a game. If you're looking at yards per route run, last year there were two starting tight ends who averaged more than two yards per route run. That would be Travis Kelsey. Heard of them. And Tray McBride. Look, I get Marvin Harrison is in this. So David and Jokey's your number one then? No.
He wasn't in that. I didn't say David Njoku. Why are you bringing up? Yeah. Oh, just because his end of season was so good that you should just project it for the rest of his career. He was number one tied in. Wasn't just end of season. And look, you put Joe. It was bigger than the joke. It was less time than Njoku's run. Njoku had a longer run. Okay. Well, you put Joe Flacco as a starting quarterback instead of Voldemort. Maybe I'm more into David Nogoku. But like, he's going into his third year. The breakout happened for him. He's still a young guy. He's hitting that age in the world of the tight end. He is approaching the age where these guys start to really peak. And he already broke out. And I think that the offense revolves around Marvin Harrison Jr. and Trey McBride. It will. It will revolve around those two guys. And for all of the hopes and dreams of like, well, put Marvin into the Hall of Fame already, he's still a rookie.
rookie wide receiver, and even if he is incredibly great, the offense can be those two guys and be hyper focused onto them. And I see that Trey McBride is going to have a whole bunch of receptions, and I just need the touchdowns to go up a little bit. Yeah, he's absolutely in the conversation. I think there are five tight ends this year that legitimately could be the number one tight end. So he is my five, but as far as answering the question, did we overrate? McBride, are we too high because we're homers? Trey McBride's ADP, his average draft right now on both underdog and sleeper, he's the tight and three going off the board. Consensus, he's our tight and force. No, we're not, we're not Arizonaing him. Well, here's the inverse question from Jordan. Is it me or do you guys have a big bias against Hollywood Brown now that he failed in Arizona because they think we have Hollywood ranked far too low, which.
ADP wise. This one's legit. So this is legit. Maybe. Well, here's where I'm saying, here's why I'm saying it's somewhat legit. I think because we care so much about, you know, Arizona Cardinals, we, you know, we, we, we, we, we watch every snap of every game, we try. But it's impossible when there's so many games going on. We saw Hollywood suck. Like he was bad. He was, he was, he did not look the same. And if you've listened to the show for a long time, I, I have loved Hollywood well before he was a Cardinal, loved him coming out of college, loved him as a Raven. Um, he was not the same dude last year. Now, he dealt with a heel injury. Maybe that's all over. We've talked about that before.
Wait, do we need to update that jersey again? Yeah, every year you got updated because no one wants Hollywood Brown. It's red. You know, like it's still chief's color. Yes, we saw a lot of him. So I think that does influence, but it's not necessarily a negative thing. That could be a positive thing that we got to see a lot of him and we aren't convinced that he's going to go out there. and play in the system the way that, you know, a lot of people hope being that he's Patrick Mahomes' guy. He's also one of the players that I'm reserving some significant adjustment for based on the way training camp looks and the depth chart and how long Rashi Rice is out. Yeah, Rice matters. Like, it's just one of those things where you don't see a lot of success from the wide receiver too, if he is indeed the two on this team with Patrick Mahomes.
And Hollywood, like, nobody wanted him. Like, he sat out on the market, and he signed a one-year deal. So it's like we're not the only one seeing that. I think there are a lot of people, like, the ADP for Underdog is irrelevant to this discussion to me because, of course, he's a great pick on Underdog. Yeah. Because what if he's the one for Patrick Mahomes? Because Rashi Rice is out, and Mahomes wants to drive the ball down field, and Hollywood's one of the best ever at it. And VS catches bomb touchdowns. Yeah, you get good games from him. Redraft wise, I mean, Jason is literally on the mark with where redraft ADP is on the dot 39. We won't talk about Mike and I's ratings. Mine is he ended up where he ended up. And if you want some statistical talk about Hollywood Brown, here's some stats since 2020. 54 wide receivers have seen 250 or more targets.
And of those 54, in fantasy points per target, he is 46th. What are some of the names around him? On a per target basis, these are the fantasy points per target you would expect. Hollywood Brown is around Alan Robinson, Michael Gallup, Chase Claypool, Robert Woods. It hasn't, it has not worked in his time in the NFL. I want to, yeah, go ahead. It's like, if they don't draft, Xavier Worthy in the first round, talking about the Kansas City Chiefs. I'm a little more optimistic and just the cross your fingers and hope for Hollywood Brown. But I don't think that he, when they're fully healthy and ready to go, Rashid Rice is there, Kelsey's there, Worthy is there. I think that Brown is a bit part on the offense. The odds of him being MVS are not zero. They're very high. Like that could literally be what he is. I want to circle back to McBride. I want to.
kind of, I want to take a breath and I actually want to apologize for my, for my, what would you call that? Disgust? Insulting? Maybe. Because I actually think, I think it's beneficial to not play it safe on your ranking. So if you have a conviction about a player, I think it's the best thing you can do because that, look, if you're following Mike's rankings, Tramig Ride will be your tight end. That's what, that's the, the facts because when you combine draft value with potential outcome, you're probably going to have Tray McBride if you are on Mike's side with what he's going to do. And it doesn't really like we're playing to win the game. Right. So I think that ultimately, while I was surprised because I didn't know it, that's what you got. You got my, I didn't know that was the case until middle of the show. But because of that, that doesn't mean that that's a wrong ranking because.
If you have a conviction about a player and you do have a pile of guys that could all finish number one this year. I applaud taking the shot in rankings. I think it takes courage. Well, thank you. I have him down for a 25% target share. You didn't even have to use a golden ticket. I got this golden ticket from Andy. One free Andy Holloway agreement. And I'm still holding on to it. The longer you go, the more scared I get. Yeah, I'm waiting. I'm waiting. Now, you can't use that on a my guy segment, all right? You don't tell me what I can do. This is golden. It's not a silver ticket? He makes me, he makes me say a bunch of bad stuff about my future my guy. Yeah. Ooh, baby. Yeah, well, here's a question for you, Jason. IG question from Tony the Tiger. When making league rule changes, should it be unanimous or majority rules?
So I think to some degree depends on your league. There's a league that I manage where it is Iron Fist. I'm the commissioner. That's not even unanimous. It's just you're an authoritarian. I'm an authoritarian. And that's fine. That's what it is. Like someone. That's what you signed up for. Exactly. But that's my point. If you signed up for the league where it's like I'm running it, do you want to be part of my league? I mean, I'm not like dropping players off your team and adding them to mind. But if I say, hey, we're going to. From a rule standpoint, it's your league you're running. Yeah, if I say I'm invited people into your dictatorship. If I want, you know, a point per first down next year, I'm going to add it. I'm going to let everybody know. We're doing this. And that's totally fine. If that's how it started and that's what you want, most of our leagues that we play in our main league of record is the exact. This is a democracy. And this is like, you have to have.
You have to have for any major rule change, major, we require like a super majority. It doesn't have to be unanimous. You're never going to get unanimous. No, because there's always one guy. Yep. That just doesn't want to go along with the flow. Some people love saying no. Because it gives them power. Yeah. Do you, Jason, have any fears of your fantasy league rise, like rising up? and having a revolution. I have wondered if that they all started league with 11. There was one guy who was making some push. Uh-oh. Took him out. Made an example of him. Made an example. Let the other 10 know. Watch him. He's out of the league. No, you did not. No, I didn't. Oh, of course I did. Okay. But I did have a situation where one guy left the league and then found his own replacement that nobody knew. And I'm like, nope, that new guy's out of the league.
So you booted the replacement. They were trying to be responsible. Yeah, good for you. But Iron Fizz League. What is the name of this league? Well, Jason's league. Yeah, that's the name. Yeah. All right. All right. Final reminder here, Ultimate DraftKit.com, your last chance to get it at a pre-order price. Get the UDK Plus. You'll save even more. It releases on Saturday. We're looking forward to all of your feedback. Our team is hard at work. We have been. We've been busting our booties over here. So shout out to the whole team. Yeah. The whole fantasy footballer's team. To Mike and Andy and Jason. I mean, the whole team has just been incredible. Your league must be real fun. All right. That is going to do it. We've got some fun episodes coming up, including a mock draft with all three of us, so you don't want to miss that. Take care, everybody. Goodbye.
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