Start/Sit Courage + Hungry For More, Andy vs Josh! - Fantasy Football Podcast for 12/20

deleted with Tutu Atwell being, you know, full participant in practice. I think the real, the only major question is just like, would you want to throw a dart at Rashid Shaheed or not even look that way? Because Chris Olava, you're playing. Cooper Cup, you're playing. Puka you're playing. Camara you're playing. Kairn you're playing. No one's going to mention any of those guys. And I just don't know if there's anyone else that matters. I mean, I guess the real question here is just the quarterbacks. Do you start Stafford? Yeah, the matcher doesn't look great for Stafford. Saints' defense 8th in the last six weeks against quarterbacks. We know that they can win with a recipe of Kyron Williams and moving the ball between the 20s and running the football. Like they have these drives. Sean McVeigh does it from time to time where it's eight runs in a row, 10 runs in a row. Last week, Stafford was good, not great. Did you go Stafford or Flacco? I'd go Stafford. I would too. Gino or Stafford.

I would go Stafford. Stafford's kind of been on a heater. He's not out there scoring 35 fantasy points, but the last month, now that he's got his weapons back, now, when you've got Puka and Cooper Cup and Kyron all together, Stafford's been really, really good. The last four weeks, 18 and a half points, 23.7, 23, 23.4. All four weeks, a top 12 quarterback on the week. So I... I'm okay playing Stafford. I'm not trying to like smash him in as the best play of the week, but if you've got those kind of streaming candidates, I would, I would lean towards Stafford. Any other players you want to discuss from this game, Mike? This will kick off our semi-final week. No, I don't think so. I mean, did we talk about Kyron? I mean, you just play him. He's really good. Yeah. 34 opportunities. It's all the opportunities mixed with the fact that he actually has juice. Like, he's a.

Just a great player. He's just on the field constantly. 22, 26, 29, 34. So his opportunities have gone up every single week since returning from injury. Up. 82% of the running back rush attempts. 90% of the running back rushing yards. 100% of the running back targets. He is everything in the running game. You know, old third percentile speed score, Kyron Williams. See, that's, I mean, it's just different. Remember the Kreme Hunt criticism coming into the league? Remember the Dalvin Cook criticism coming into the league? Remember the Arian Foster criticism coming into the league? Remember the Peyton Hillis? Criticism coming into the league? There's like game speed. If you watch four years of a player dominate in college, maybe they're all right. Maybe. Especially if they play for a major conference. I'm not saying you don't want to see speed. But remember CJ Spiller's speed? Remember Ronald Jones's speed? Yeah, very fast. Real fast guys.

need there's something else you need it's just it's wild of where the remember naji harris's vision from last week maybe vision matters too oh the full well i don't know i'd be that's like the 20th video i've seen of niji harris literally cutting away from an open part of the field as though it is a defender he there's a he's on a bad eye drop medication i don't know what's going on with naji harris of Is he played with a real dark visor? Like all the way dark? I think he's going for broken tackles. Oh, he wants to break that record? If you go up where there's no defenders, there's no chance to break a tackle. It's like when you go for the big man misses the layup, just gets the O board real quick, add those boards. He's missing a lot of layups. He really is. You saw that video, though, right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, which one? It's sad. It's embarrassing. It's sad.

It really is. All right. Into the mailbag we go. Mailbag. Mailbag. Yeah. I mean, you're right, Kyle. He's turning into a full butt runner. Yeah. A butt runner. He is. He runs into the butts. He's following his offensive line too closely. Don't mistake, like, movement and activity for progress down the field. He's not afraid to move. He'll juke right into that butt. All right. Yeah, that's it. Visit the site and click on submit a question. If you want to submit your own mailbag question or dial the voicemail hotline 302464 TFFB. I blame you, Kyle, for that line of thinking. Right into it. Here we go. Here's a voicemail. Hey, ballers love the show. I'm just wondering if I should be concerned about playing Brief Hall or Garrett Wilson now that the jets are out of playoff contention.

Full PPR early. Thanks. Bye. You should be worried about them with no regard to their playoff positioning because the offense is going to have a backup quarterback. Breece Hall has had disappearing acts. You can't produce on the ground. The offensive line is terrible. None of that is playoff contention related. I may pivot it like my initial start of the week was Garrett Wilson this week, but I was hoping Zach Wilson would play. Because I did that a couple weeks ago, and it worked out. And the matchup is great this week. Yeah, the manders. Like those two players should be played based on the matchup. I'm just, I am a little nervous with Mannion behind center. Yeah, it's not what you want. And I don't think it's a guarantee that Zach Wilson won't play this week. Simian. Did you say Mannion? He did say Sean Manion. What's the difference? You got that Manion PTSD. What's the difference?

Yeah, I think that you should start those players. The Washington commanders have just been giving up fantasy points to all who play against them right now. So it would be really difficult to bench those two players based on this week's matchup. I would bench Garrett Wilson if it's Simeon. Simeon's... I'm going to need some names. Well, listen, Simeon, let me give you this stout because I had seen it. Simeon's off-target throw percentage is the worst of 56 eligible quarterbacks this year. Like 28% of his throws are off target just to start. And like Garrett Wilson, I know, Mike, you're saying you need names says you have a Garrett Wilson decision to make. Yeah. So that's just my opinion on what I think the potential for this week is with Trevor Simeon. It's just...

If you're out, if it's three and out every possession, you just lose opportunities. And it drives you crazy when you watch this team. So maybe Breece Hall gets it done on the ground and they have more, you know, sustained drives. But if you don't, I just feel like your outcomes are so wide. Like you can't have a great game for Garrett Wilson, I don't think. I don't think you can score more than about 15 points. You can have a goosey game with Garrett Wilson. Yeah. So give me the names you want me to comment. All right. Let's go. Someone who can have a great game or a goose game. Drake London against the Colts. Yeah, I'm going to take Drake London with Taylor Heineke. I would as well. What about DeAndre Hopkins against the Seahawks? I'll take Hopkins all day long. Okay. Off of a huge game. Chris Godwin. What's that matchup? Let me look it up. Jacksonville. Jacksonville. Thank you.

I'll play Godman. Also off of a huge game with a backup quarterback, Jordan Addison against Detroit. No, I'm not going to chase the double touchdowns there, I don't think. But I mean, do you guys disagree? I mean, to me, Simeon is a tremendous downgrade from Zach Wilson, who's a downgrade from all other quarterbacks, but it's still better for Wilson. Yeah, to me he is. Some of those names I would start Garrett Wilson over and, you know, I would take others. Like I would start Garrett Wilson over Chris Godwin. Chris Godwin, I feel like we're chasing. We've had an entire season of him stinking. He's, you know, he had a great game last week. Garrett Wilson is so talented that one play could make it fantasy relevant. You could also have the situation where he just has 15 targets.

So I, you know, I don't see Garrett Wilson against the manners as like a must bench with Trevor Simeon, but he's certainly someone that you maybe don't just lock into your lineup. You look at what your options are. You know, if you've got Rushi Rice, who's been. Sure. Really, really, really good, you know, for a month. That's an easy one. Yeah. Then, yeah, you can, you can bench. They're like, the dolphins, they just, they knew they had the Jets number last. week. Trevor Simeon was awful, but Zach Wilson was equally awful in his short amount of time. Trevor Simeon's a 49% passer in his two opportunities this year. So it's like. Yeah. I mean, he was off the, he's off the bench for both of them. Yeah. A week of preparation will get it done. No, I'm not trying to say I have full confidence in Trevor Simeon, just that Zach Wilson finished with.

negative fantasy points, as did Trevor Simeon. Garrett Wilson's peak fantasy performance of the entire year was two weeks ago against Houston. Yeah. And it was 15.6 points. So that goes to my point of like, that's not, like that's your ceiling for Garrett Wilson. I would be very happy with 15 points. That was the only game Simeon didn't play in the last three. So it's tough. I mean. Garrett Wilson is on pace for 167 targets in this lost terrible year in a thousand yards. It's just your ceiling is challenged. And so, you know, I think we laid it out there pretty good on your decision making. I think Bruce Hall is the one that has the softer, better opportunity. He had a good game. What was it two weeks ago? That was Wilson too. That was Zach Wilson as well. I don't know how you go from playing against Houston in the rain and put up 30 points and your offense looks fantastic.

and your defense completely shuts down C.J. Stroud. And then you lose 30 to zero against the Dolphins. It was a really bizarre twist. Pass rush. Yeah. Breece Hall or David Montgomery has a follow-up question from Jason Yada. That is a very, very interesting question because I think Bruce Hall's a great play this week. The matchup is great. And David Montgomery... has a difficult matchup and has been less good. Minnesota is. Seeding so much work to Gibbs. Yeah. Minnesota is a really, really tough defense. So if you're looking at just the matchups, you go, okay, it's Brees Hall. Now, on my League of Record team, I've got these two guys. And this would be, for me, this would be an easy David Montgomery. I'm with you on that. David Montgomery is a really, really solid player. His floor is so much higher. That's it. His ceiling is still hot.

You know, who has a higher chance at scoring two touchdowns? Well, it's David Montgomery, because they will score the Lions. Jimere Gibbs. Sorry. Well, sure. No, I mean, yeah, but I'm just saying as an offense, the ceiling doesn't really feel there with Breece Hall. His ceiling is, yeah, he's got an 80-yard touchdown reception. That's great. His entire fantasy game is good. But only one of these guys can go out there and have, you know, a large volume surprise of great ground utilization and multi-touchdowns. But then the floor, if you compare these two players, the floor of Brees Hall is, you know, the Jets lose 30 to nothing again and collapse and the offense doesn't work. And Brees Hall is benched for health just like he was last week.

The floor is scary with Brees Hall. And I'm all about playing Brees Hall this week. Yeah, I would go haul over Montgomery. You would go haul over Montgomery. Okay. The worst Montgomery's finished on the year was 25th on any week he started and didn't get hurt. Double-digit fantasy points that week as well. I mean, his floor is so high. Yeah, that's the challenge. So I get it. Those are both. I think both are just players you start this week, and we just leave it at that. What's up, ballers? Thanks to you guys. I'm in the semifinals in all four of my leagues, but I need some help. Am I crazy for wanting to start Joe Flacco this week over Patrick Mahomes? Thanks a lot. I take it to you guys. Crazy? Joe Flacco over Patrick Mahomes. He couldn't even get out Mahomes. He was just like, I don't know why I'm asking this question. It's tough because normally, like we've got a five-year, six-year run of when you see Mahomes against the Raiders, you are salivated.

I mean, you're getting the steak knife out. You're ready to cut off a slab of fantasy points. When you see Mahomes at all, it doesn't matter the opponent. You've got five years running. You see my homes. You go, I'm salivating. This is a flamen yon. So you've got salivated. You've got a matchup where the chiefs are 10-point favorites. I like it. You also have Las Vegas who played them tough last time. And Las Vegas is 11th against quarterbacks. And they do have, you know, A much better secondary than we've seen, and you don't have people that can beat it on Kansas City right now. Their offensive engine is back, too. Isaiah Pacheco. Yeah. And the over-under is 41 points. So, you know, when they played in week 12, Mahomes was the quarterback eight. There was 20 fantasy points. Do you want to know the last time Patrick Mahomes, man, he has one 30-point game on the year. Mm-hmm.

Since week eight, Patrick Mahomes is averaging 14 and a half fantasy points per game. Yeah, it's been really bad. And he played 100% of snaps. It's not like he's missing time. I don't know how I could possibly play Flacco. No, I couldn't either. That was the long, long story of why Patrick Mahomes, you still have to take the chance on him against Las Vegas and a get right game. But it hasn't happened. No, since the by week, you look back and, I mean, one single game where he's hit 20 fantasy points. It's been really, really bad. He hasn't had a three touchdown game since week seven. Yeah, but he is Patrick Mahomes. You've got a storied, long career of scoring a bunch of touchdowns. If you had to, if I have to bet like the last three weeks, are they going to keep going how the previous four or five weeks have, or will he get it back together and the offense will start to look good heading in the playoffs? I'm always going to bet on Patrick Mahomes.

Yeah, it's a weird math equation to me with Kansas City. And they don't have, I don't know how you make the case that they have players to do that with. That's my challenge. They need to just take, I mean, think about it, Cadarius Tony, off the field. You can't, Skymore just went to IR. You already lost. If you played with 10, it would be better for your offense than playing with 11 if one of your 11 is Cadarius Tony, who's going to bobble the... ball up and give it to the other team. So this is my point, though. Like, I don't see how you can produce enough fantasy points in that offense with Travis Kelsey struggling through the air. I like Rashi Rice. He cannot carry an entire offense. He really can't. So who is it? Justin Watson? MVS? They need. Oh, we've seen what the answer is. They don't have a player that when, I mean, you talked about it. Your target carries, Tony, the ball's going to get dropped. You hope dropped to the ground.

Best case scenario. Because if he catches it, he'll fumble it. If he bobbles it up, it'll be intercepted. Pour one out for all the people that trade over Tony going to Kansas City. Oh, man. Cadarius Tony's fantasy peak on the year with 7.9 fantasy points in week six. Cadarius Tony is on pace to have 35 receptions and 221 receiving yards. And cause about five turnovers. I mean, that's got to be like a. Kyle Usecheck kind of receiving line. Jerich McKinnon is who they need. They really need to utilize him more in the past. He's such a valuable, capable, pass-catching option for McKinnon. Is there anybody in the studio that will play Flacco? No. Not in that case. Nope. Kyle, do you have the courage? Never. Never, he says, I'm a coward. I'm higher on Flacco than you guys are this week. Joe Flacco has the pass attempts.

And Joe Flacco has had multi-touch downs in every single game. Let's hope it continues. David Najoku and Amari Kupu. Saying that I would still play Mahomes, but I understand the question. Kyle, an interesting. It's the turnovers from Flacco that erases his fantasy numbers. An interesting research thing for us to look up, because we probably don't know this, but has there ever been someone drafted in the first, traded in year two, and then like the career actually works out? I mean, I'm only thinking of. Who are you thinking of? Well, Tony and then Trent Richardson was the two that came to mind. Drafted in the first, but then traded the next year? Yeah. It's a bad sign. Because the teams, like, we drafted you in the first. No, we're willing to trade you away. Yeah, I was trying to think of, I mean, obviously Claypool got dealt. That was a little bit later and he's a second rounder. Boy, first rounders? Is that what you said? Yeah. Tony was the first? Oh, yeah.

And when he got drafted in the first, everyone went, what? And then everybody saw him on the field, and they were like, whoa. And then it was, oh, the Giants were really smart on this one. That was Tony? And then he got traded. That's not Wondale? Tony, Wondale back to back? Yeah, Wondale was a second. 20th pick in the draft. Boy, you know what it is? It's when you see him, you just, it just feels like a seventh round pick. That's what it is. I think that Tyreek Hill created a career for Cadarius, Tony. People have just tried like a jitterbug to find that like, yeah, exactly, that crazy short area explosive athlete. And you saw some of that from Cadarious Tony. You see it. And so. Yeah, Jaylon Waddle does it. I mean, it works for him. Yeah, but James and Williams will probably keep doing it. I want to go back to the Flacco, Mahomes thing. I just want to point out. Oh, boy. We've got three weeks of Flacco as the starter. Yeah. Uh-huh.

The first week, he scored 17 points. That week, Patrick Mahomes scored 14 points. Oh, no. The second week, Flacco scored 21 points. That week, Mahomes scored 14 fantasy points. Mm-hmm. Last week, Flacco scored 20 fantasy points. Mahomes scored 17 fantasy points. So he's averaging more. He's beat him every single week. Hit the Adamanium button. Oh, no! All right. This is what we got. Unobtanium underpans. My Smith can't handle working with adamantium. I'm sorry, unobtainium. But that's the highest level that we have. We just put it on you, Jay. I'm just saying, yeah, those were on you. The camera was on you when the drop happened. You've got them on right now. You can see them, actually. They're bright. Yeah. It would take so, it's an insane amount of courage. It's an un, anybody out there, anybody that's doing flack over my homes this week, I want to hear from you on Twitter. I have to know. But only if it works.

No, I want to know. No, I want to know if you have the courage to do it. Because this is not like, I know people, they would just do it for fun, but not in the playoffs. In the playoffs, you don't get to just do it for fun. You have to, you have to believe it. You have to put on the unobtainium under pants. Guard thy loins from the damage of Joe. Like Joe Flacco has five, five picks. He can get you right in the nards. He's got five picks and two fumbles, seven turnovers in three games. So those numbers would be much higher if he didn't just turn into a pumpkin every few plays. But are you saying when you laid that out, Jason, I know you don't want me to come back to you here. Are you saying you would do it? No, but I'm saying it does make sense. It's not as crazy or ludicrous as it sounds when you go, will you start, you know, old man off the street over Patrick Mahomes? It would have been the right decision every single opportunity that Flackos played this year.

I still won't do it. All right. Rosie wants to know, do I start Gus Edwards or Najee Harris this week? The Gus bus against San Francisco is a five-point road underdog. Oh, man. Noggy Harris against Cincinnati, two-point home underdog. The Noggi matchup is so much better, but. I have a strict policy with Noggi. So you're going to the Gus bus? I have a strict policy with the Gus bus. No, which is the player more likely to actually score a touchdown? To me, it's Gus Edwards. That is. You have the injury to Keith Mitchell that gives me more confidence in Gus. I'm going Gus. Yes. We need a less enthusiastic horn on that Gus bus. That's not that enthusiastic. Yeah. That's super. Hit it again. That's happy. I mean, it sounds kind of like a clown horn. Yeah, or party bus. That's in a kid's cartoon. That's a bus coming down the street in a kid's cartoon. We need something more somber from like a bus that survived an apocalypse that's coming down the street. Beep.

It has very little gasoline left in the tank. Are you guys both nausea or? No, I think with the Mitchell injury, I'm going to go with Gus. Now, if I threw in one more player, Justice Hill, does that change anything? I would go Gus over Justice Hill. What about Gustus Hill? If I could get both combined, I would play that player. Hold on, hold on. Augustus Hill. Ooh, I'm in. I don't get it. San Juan Barclay or Brandon Ayuk this week. Rahua wants to know. Both risky. Both have upside. Seekwon takes on Philly. Saquan's an 11.5 point underdog. Sequin has, he finally had an efficiency struggle despite the matchups. He's had tough matchups on the ground in the past, but delivered with efficiency. This past week against New Orleans, it was terrible. Nine for 14.

This week they're in Philly. Philly's defensive front very good, but just gave up 80-something yards to Kenneth Walker. Yeah, try and take the Walker performance as the confidence. I would go, oh, I'd go Barclay, I think. Someone else answered. I would go Barclay. The known volume is where I lean. I know Brandon Ayuk has been great this whole year, and I'm not sitting there saying you should bench Brandon Ayuk, but the match up against Baltimore, you know, they're number six on the season. against wide receivers. They don't usually give up a lot of points. You're coming off of a game where Ayuk had three receptions. And he can get it done with three receptions, you know, on a great, you know, a bomb play. But he should have got it done last week if Brock Purdy threw him better passes. Yeah. So, I mean, I just want to lean on the known volume of Saquan over Ayuk personally.

All right. Well, that is going to do it for today's episode. We have starts the week tomorrow. I do like the fact that Andy versus Josh.com you put my name first because that makes more sense from like a who will finish first this week. And it's VS for verse. Andy VS. Josh.com. Because I spelled it out. Would you have put versus V-E-R-S-U-S-U-S? You would have thought that's what I typed when you said it was Andy versus Josh.com. Well, I just typed what, you know, the words you said. Hmm. No. When someone says versus it's V-S. Period. But you can't put a period there. So I just think you probably are in the minority of people that would have spelled the whole word out. That's all. Maybe. But if you want to register that domain, you can, the other one. Yeah, Josh should have forward it. Oh, we do have. Is this updated news, Kyle? What do we have? Kind of? Kind of. Okay. Go ahead, Mike. I don't have the courage. This is from Shane Steichen. Taylor is progressing well.

He will participate in the walkthrough today remains optimism that he can play. But he'll be evaluated on a daily basis. That's a lot of, I'm on this side of the river. I'm on that side of the river. Not exactly the Mississippi. I'm afraid of him. You're afraid of. Of Jonathan Taylor? Yeah, you should be. All right. We'll continue stressing out tomorrow. Thank you for joining us. We appreciate you. Footclank giveaway.com for a sign. Travis E.N. Jersey. We'll catch you tomorrow with our starts of the week. Goodbye. You for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on join thefoot.com. And follow us on Twitter at the FF Ballers.