Fantasy Football - NFC South Breakdown + Skat Talks to Jason & Mike - Podcast for 7/21

the thumb. >> I wouldn't know. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Me neither. >> Is it um Is left-handedness related to height as well? >> Uh no, no, it's not. We We can be super tall. >> We You were speaking on behalf of left-handed people, not talking. >> How tall is Tua and and Pennix? What's the heights here? >> They're pretty tall. Yeah, you're right. >> How about Randy Johnson? Huh? >> He's one of us. >> One of us. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> Left-handed. >> I got two. >> If anything, Randy took height away from a bunch of you. >> I got two at 61 and Pennix at 63 is what

I'm seeing. >> Well, one of them's going to be the starting quarterback. Probably both of them at some point during the year. Atlanta is I mean Atlanta's wild because I feel like they they become in all conversation a complete exception to the rule of like we really love everything about their offensive situation and quarterback because Drake London just feels immune to the conversation around quarterbacks. >> Mhm. He >> you know even though like the DJ Moors of old and the Terry McLarens and all these guys were like oh I wish they had a quarterback. London just feels immune to it.

>> He's for two reasons. One he's better he is a better player than Gary Wilson. Uh, I think he's in that tier of Garrett Wilson. And so Garrett Wilson was also kind of as far as draft cost immune. We didn't care too much about his quarterback. Obviously, we wish that they were better, but we've also seen it with Drake London. Like last year, Drake London played with Kirk Cousins and Michael Penn and neither neither were good. And Drake London was great. The other thing is there's absolutely no target competition here. You're talking about that the only guy competing is Kyle Pitt. So, you know, you're

basically historically, analytically, if you get a 30% target share, you're a wide receiver one. Very difficult to not finish as a wide receiver one with a 30% target share. With this group, it's very difficult to imagine him not getting a 30% target share. So, it's just it just maths out. And then the other piece is Bejon. like we don't we don't look at Bejon and and have any qualms with his situation even though he's had a bunch of weird variables over the years with Tyler Algier quarterback changes Bejon's just bejun but I mean you look at if you look at Bejon and Gibbs' situation

>> and you're trying to make a a decision at the top of the draft >> like with volume no longer being a question for Gibbs it's a really tough one for me to put like I have Gibbs higher. >> Yeah, I think it's the Tua or I'm sorry, the the Bejian Gibbs conversation. It is like it you're splitting hairs and as of really J. >> Yeah, I don't think it's splitting hairs anymore. I I mean I came in >> you like Gibbs more. >> Gibbs is is is a much better pick than Bejon in fantasy. I I don't think it's

that close. I I you are getting you have inherited the quarterback who targets the running back position more than any quarterback in history. >> I absolutely love Yeah. For for a bit. No, I do love that part. The fact that you're going to be targeting Bejon, he's going to get a cajillion checkdowns. That's that's fantastic. But the scoring opportunities, the offense offensive line, >> which numbers? >> Total touchdowns for those two teams last year. >> Okay. >> Yeah. 37 to 57. >> Sure. So, >> I I saw um odds for double-digit touchdowns um this coming season, just like you know, sports book odds. Gibbs

had the he was projected for the highest likelihood of double digit touchdowns. Bejon was still in the top 10, but he wasn't he wasn't even like in the top five. So, when you're looking at true upside, the offense, the expectation of scoring, uh, the fact that they got rid of, I mean, both of these guys lost their their competition from the previous season, but David Montgomery was more involved, took more touchdowns. So, I I think Bejon is fantastic. You know, I've always loved Bejon. I mean, everyone does. You can't go wrong with him. I don't think you're going to make

a mistake taking him if you take him over Gibbs as far as like, oh, I got a bust. by no means, but I fully expect that if they if they're both healthy, I mean, the only thing that I really like better about Bejon is he is built for a heavier workload that matters. And and and that's fine. If you want to say, "Hey, I'm I'm more worried that with all that work going to Gibbs and he's a slightly undized guy for that type of workload, I'm worried about the injury." That to me is a logical reason to take Bejon over him. If you're assuming that

they're both healthy and you're just saying who's going to score more fantasy points, Gibbs is unstoppable. And um there he's going to get double digit touchdowns almost for sure. >> That's pretty much how I see it. I mean, at the end of the season, Bejan's going to have a good year. And the phrase we're going to use is that he overcame a mediocre offense to do it. >> Unstoppable. Jay, tell that to the Minnesota Vikings. >> Is that your way of saying he had a bad game against them? >> Uh not just a bad game, two bad games last year. So week nine he scored 4.3

fantasy points against the Minnesota Vikings. And then in championship weekend against the Minnesota Vikings he scored 5.4. >> I mean players have bad games. I mean Bejan scored >> two four two bad games. Like his only >> scored four points against Miami. >> Was it championship weekend? >> Uh week 18 he scored five. >> Oh week oh week 18. That doesn't even count. >> It's a weird argument. [laughter] It's a really weird one. >> What are we doing here? >> I I don't know what's happening. >> Splitting hairs. Uh, I think I think it's just if if we're going to be

faithful to what we say about every other running back situation, we have to be faithful to this one, >> which is you want an offense that's going to score 20 more touchdowns >> totally >> with an offensive line like they were comparable last year with David Montgomery there in terms of consistency ranking >> and now he's gone. >> Yes. >> And we also like known situations at quarterback. You can like the checkown rate for Tua. That's great. We've never seen them on the field together. That's a variable. >> That's That's fair. Bejon to me is more of a Macaffrey where it's like Gibbs is

Yeah, I think that's fair comp. >> And so it's like if things go well, you know, like if if the Falcons are just like a 500 type of team last year, Bejian was 41% of Atlanta's total team yards. Like he is Yes. >> the foundation like McCaffrey. So when it's >> when it's clicking, it's it's going to be fantastic. And and very few poor performances. >> Let me let me ask this. Is there a world cuz this is why Bejon ends up as the running back one in all of fantasy. >> The Falcons end up surprising and they're good. Stfans comes in, he gets

it corrected. Tua is a major upgrade over Penn. That if that's what happens and you go, "Oh, Penn was a problem." Cuz genuinely when I when I went back and rewatched film, I was like, "Wow, Penn was worse than I remember. He was not good." >> Um, so Tua, we didn't love Tua last year. obviously got replaced in Miami, but I think he is better than Penn. Is there a world where Atlanta comes out and surprises and is a let's call it a top 10 offense this year? >> No. No. >> That's kind of how I know. >> No. And and by the way, you are l you're

lined up to love Tua with your Gino love. I mean, that is the next on your list of dudes. But no, there I mean, do you remember how horrific Tua was at times last year? The interceptions >> very very uh headscratchingly bad. And you want to know something cool? As a defense, I'm the defensive coordinator going up against Tua. Here's what I'm going to do. He's going to he's going to throw it to the the Drake London guy. >> Yeah. >> No matter what. I don't know. No matter what he might throw to be uh that's true. Kyle Pittz. Um

>> could he finish number one at the position? >> No. >> On his like number one tight end on his team. >> Yes. Oh, definitely. >> I'll put that I did not understand the question. Um yeah. Yeah. No, I think he will be the number one tight end on this team. >> I'll guarantee that. >> Yeah. Yeah. Mike and I are in agreement again. Does that bother you? [laughter] >> Um, no, no, no, it doesn't because I agree. [laughter] >> Yeah. >> That he's going to be the top tight end in Atlanta. [laughter] >> Following our takes. >> I mean, he's a seventh round pick who

just got a monstrous contract. >> He is impossible. who ended the year with tight end 6, 7, 1, 3, 38, and 12. >> And he's only 25 years old. >> And he's 25 years old. And there's, you just talked about no target competition. I mean, Kyle Pittz, let let me put it this way, and this is, we're going to end Atlanta on this because we're going way past time. Kyle Pitts will be fine. Kyle Pittz will be fine for your fantasy team. I think if you took Kyle Pittz in the seventh round at ADP, it will be fine for you.

I think you are making a mistake by not taking a shot at a running back or a wide receiver who could do something more special. >> Uh yeah, you would take Laaporta there. >> I would take Leaporta in the ninth couple rounds later. Darn right. >> What happened between the time I left and now with you and Laaporta? By the way, >> he fell he fell to the ninth 10th round >> cuz you took him again. >> Yeah. In the ninth round, >> but like you used to if you go back to find clips at the beginning of this offseason, you literally were take and

this is literal. You were taking dumps on him. No, I we actually you did not I I take it easy. >> I uh you didn't listen to the last episode, but I had a a whole little moment where I talked through what happened with Leapora. >> Okay. >> And um he has been for where he's going in drafts. It's been a the biggest change for me. >> The problem with Kyle Pittz is I agree he'll be fine, but you know who else is going to be fine? Travis Kelce who's going way later in drafts. Dallas Goddard's going to be fine. He's going

way later. Both of those I I understand. I I do think that the ceiling is obviously >> way way higher for Kyle Pittz who >> right >> any year now. >> Well, I mean last year >> you can't look at the end of that season and not say that that was a special end of the year. >> I can because I can say >> I'll go with Drake London. >> Uh Drake London was not there for weeks 12 through 15 which is >> Was Kyle Pitts good >> weeks 12 through 15? Also, Kyle Pitz was great in week eight where London also

has >> no ceiling. Kelsey has no ceiling. >> Yes, I agree. If Drake London gets hurt, Copy Pitts is going to be awesome. >> Okay. Um, did I take a did I did we take a break or do I need to take I did. >> We did. >> Oh, that's cool. Uh, the Saints 6 and 11. >> 6 and 1/2 win total last year. It's up to 7 and 1/2 this year, which what that puts us at 9 and 1/2. 6 and 1/2. 7 and 1/2. 7 and 1/2 for this division, >> I think. 6 and 1/2. Six and a half. 7

and 1/2. Yeah. >> Was it Carolina 6 and 1/2? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Who was the other six and 1/2? >> This one. >> The Saints. >> They're at seven and a half. >> Oh, I was looking at last year. >> Wow. How dare you, Jason. >> I apologize. >> Um, the Saints trailed on 77% of their offensive plays last year, the most in the entire NFL. But that doesn't really tell the whole story of the trajectory of the team. Now, they were 28th in points per game. They started the season with Spencer Rattler. They moved on to Tyler Shuck. Their

defense was actually pretty respectable. They did their best. That must have been frustrating watching Spencer Rattler run out there. Kell Moore trusted play caller that we like. The momentum at the end of the year, we liked it. Um, >> this team was one and seven with Spencer Rattler. they were bottom of the barrel and when they made the change to Tyler Shuck, they were above 500 the rest of the way. >> And if you I mean the the the only thing I'm going to throw out there to kind of like pause the ultra hype on Tyler Shock and this offense is that you ended the

year against a hapless Tampa Bay team at that juncture of the year. Carolina, New York Jets, Tennessee, Atlanta. Your five weeks they were juicing. Now, this year, >> even even the two before that, like after the by-week, the the two you're leaving out is another Atlanta and the Miami Dolphins. I mean, so >> so that's a I mean, that is the opposite. What's the opposite of a gauntlet called? >> A free ride. >> Stroll stroll in the park. >> What did you say, Mike? >> Gobblet. >> A goblet. He had a goblet of a schedule. Um, now the nice thing is

>> Cupcake. Kyle's right. Cupcake is the That's the word we use. >> Uh, yeah, that's uh courtesy of Kyle the Borgogan. Warren Sharps got them out. >> We always cite our guys. >> That's it. I can't believe how personal you took that. It's amazing. >> I was irrationally upset. >> Oh, you were with him this weekend, so he was probably seeing all these millions of views coming in on this report. We don't break news often. We need it when we got it. >> Uh Warren Sharp has the Saints as the second easiest schedule for >> That would be my counter point.

>> Yeah. No, that's I'm bringing it up as a point. Um their schedule's going to be a lot better. uh you know they >> but they do start the season on the road in Detroit on the road in Baltimore. So they will they will be 0 and2 going into week three. >> It's very likely. Yeah. Yeah. We've had a lot of discussions about the Saints. And in summary, >> here's some highle stuff. Mike loves Tyler Shuck. Yes. I think Jason does too. >> And I and I do not believe that this is the year for the Saints. I think the

Saints are years away, two or three years away. And they'll be more competitive this year. But I mean the the Vegas win total 7 and a half. Okay, you're going to be in games. You're going to be fighting. If you're lucky, you can get to eight and nine and win this division. But to me, they are going to have their bumps in the road, their ups and downs, and so will Tyler Shuck this season. I I do believe that he's their future. I don't think people believe that at the beginning of last year. So, in fact, the fact that he

didn't win the job out of camp had a lot of people questioning, uhoh, what happened? Like, you only had Spencer Rattler to beat. I I don't think that was a win the job situation. I think that it was the job was we're giving it to the vet and we're going to let the second round quarterback sit no matter what. I think that was the choice. >> It wasn't build as that though, was it? I mean, I feel like it was an open competition. He lost because there was a lot of negative sentiment in New Orleans around >> why didn't this guy take the job?

>> But I mean, you're if you're right, that's a good decision. I'm just saying I'm not I'm not certain. And we so we have we have Tyler Shock and what he's going to provide to um to this offense to Chris Olive to Jordan Tyson their first round pick who plans to play at some point. So I was talking to part of like there's some sneaky stuff with Tyler Shuck. I was talking to our guy Betts because we are like we're we're on team Shuck and looking at odds and things. The odds of Tyler Shuck throwing for more than 4500 passing yards currently better odds than

Caleb Williams, Justin Herbert, Baker Mayfield, Josh Allen, Bon Knicks. >> What? I I >> Hold on. Hold on. >> What? Wait, wait, wait. >> What? You're saying that >> he that Tyler Shuck has a better >> mind or in reality? >> Better odds in real sports books to throw for $4500 than Josh Allen or Justin >> Herbert. That's a Kell Moore >> endorsement, MAN. >> WHAT? >> YEAH. NO, I I was when I saw it, my mind was absolutely blown to to see that. >> I don't believe you. [laughter] Someone misread it. >> That That is um That's wild. >> Okay, so now it has adjusted. He's tied

now with Herbert, but still better than Allen, Caleb, Baker, and Bo. >> Wow. >> Because the path the path is It's not just Kell Moore. It's >> you would have thrown for 4,400 if you just projected post by week last year. Now the schedule was >> and now he has another look it's potential cuz it's a rookie >> two really >> if a Chan coming in in the back field as well. >> Yes. And I'm just saying like the fact of if you have Olive and if Jordan Tyson is at all who we think he is all who the New Orleans Saints think he is. That's