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Oh, the revenge game for Brock Osweiler tonight. I don't know how you get revenge for somebody overpaying you millions and millions of dollars, but let's just go with that. Remember that? Houston deal? Yes. The future of the franchise. Oops! Welcome into the fantasy footballers podcast, Andy, Mike, and Jason back again Thursday, October 25th. A jam-pack show, we have the fantasy forecast starts of the week. Jason's boom-boom kicker.

So boom. Greg, the leg boomed. Greg, the leg boomed. You did. You're victory lapping. Oh, of course I am. Come on. Well, it's going to be a good show. Follow us on Twitter at the FF ballers. Now, there's some questions that have come in from time to time. So Brooks threw in a quick question today about the concept of renting players. So we get these questions. People say, what do you think about the concept of renting players?

two owners say, hey, I'll trade you this player for that player and then we'll swap back the next week because I got a buy week here, you got a buy week there, it'll make both of us better. Yeah, I mean, what does the voice of public opinion think about that situation? But that's pretty cool because I can get better and you can get better and isn't that good? We can work together is what you're saying? Yeah, that's what the voice of public opinion is saying. Yeah. What do you guys think?

Here's the difficulty with it, because the way that I feel about fantasy football is we don't veto trades, you let people run the teams how they want to, and you only block collusion. But the way that I see collusion as a negative aspect of fantasy football is when two teams agree that one is going to take a really bad deal to improve the other team. This feels like collusion.

But if both teams are, in fact, getting better for a week and then saying we're going to swap back, is that actually collusion? I want freedom in fantasy football, but it just feels so gross. So it feels unethical. I'm diametrically opposed. Right. But like, I get it. I get it. Work out why? Well, part of it is, you know, collusion to me is defined as cooperating in an illegal fashion.

So it's not just for one team to benefit. It is a legal cooperation. Another version of collusion would be, you know, two owners are working together to, you know, try to disrupt another owner, right? You know, they're working together in a cooperating fashion to disadvantage another team. But if both of the teams involved in that deal are actually making each other, if they're making each other better. Right. They're doing the best thing for their team. Here's an example. And let me ask you this, Andy.

either as a commission or as a voting member of your league, let's say because of bi-week issues, one team was short on running backs this week and short on wide receivers next week, and the other team was the reverse. So they basically do a same tier wide receiver for a same tier running back trade this week, which by itself is fair, and agreed to do the same trade next week, which by itself is fair. Would you vote?

know against that. If you knew that this is a two-week plan, you said you're diametrically opposed. I would. I would. It is too messy. It's not something I want in my leagues. Players have injuries. Things get really messy when you allow agreements. That's an inherent part of the risk of the trade and the people going into the deal understand that. Yeah, and I just don't want it in my league. I don't want to have to navigate through a, you know, through a rule set that these owners, you know.

Now I am the commissioner, and let's say an injury happens, and one of them is unhappy with it, whether it's an inherent risk or not. I is the commissioner now have to enforce that rule and force the trade being back just because I'm setting a new rule that lets you rent players. It sets a bad – it sets a bad cooperation baseline for my league. The way that I feel about it is I would not veto any of these trades on a week-by-week basis. However –

I would, like Foot Clan, if you're listening, I would as strong as I can recommend you stay far away from these. These are people getting too cute, too smart. They think they're being the best fantasy football owner because, oh, they're playing a couple weeks ahead. And you're making a huge mistake because what you brought up injuries, things, every single week, fantasy football, the entire landscape of the NFL.

just looks so different. You are making a mistake if you're making one of these two-week trades. All of a sudden, that guy blows up on your team and you really want to keep him. Exactly. Or your opponent wants to keep him and won't do it back. What you can't do, you cannot agree, and I would be diametrically opposed to it, you cannot agree to a two-week trade. That's the key. You can agree. If it organically...

comes about, there's not much you can do about it if two owners want to be best buddies in that sense. Right. There's no, there's no, you can't say next week we promise to do this trade. Right. That is not allowed. So you need to have a precedent in your league if your league is dealing with this where it's like, hey, you go ahead and do this deal if it's a fair deal and, you know, it's not collusion. You do that deal. Next week you guys figure out if you want to do that deal. Because I'm not push, like if you're the commission, I'm not pushing this through.

If someone wants to not do it and say, well, but we agreed. No, no. It's one trade at a time. And also, this is a trash move. Don't do it. Bad form. Bad form, as Captain Hook would say. Peace. So did you want to, I don't want to. Mike, if you're on the other side, I want to give you an opportunity to speak. No, I'm with you guys. But I get that what you're saying. But it's hard to get an actual rule that says why it's.

It just seems unethical. It's hard for me to explain it. I think the two-week trade thing is the key. Yeah. Not allowing a two-week trade because that's what it would be. The rule is you can't promise things in the future. That's the rule. Follow us on YouTube. YouTube.com slash the fantasy footballers. And I'm telling you, you want to do it now. You know, we talk about mustache players. You're going to want to stash the fantasy footballers podcast and your, in your subscriptions on YouTube. Because in less than a week,

Our Halloween episode will be up. And look. If you're a podcast listener, you're going to regret not seeing what happens. That day, next Wednesday. Well, we have three. Halloween. Three guest hosts. I mean, we're all gone there. Yeah, we are taking that episode off. You will not want to miss it. I mean, we shouldn't even put it up on the podcast. We should force everybody say, hey, you want to listen, you want to watch. You go to YouTube. Two NFL players. And then one long and storied.

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of those yeah there are seven days in a week and you can vote for us in all seven thank you for the reminder i'm actually i'm doing it right now i forgot all right well we're going to get into the fantasy forecast real quick here today lots of great matchups this week we want to break them down help you win crucial time for a lot of teams right i mean you're getting into by weeks and navigating starts and sits become so much more important when you're deciding you know who's filling in for missing players but i got to bring the crampus hype train

up right now because Mike, coach John Gruden says Doug Martin is ready to go as the Raiders feature back. Of course he did. With March on Lynch on injured reserve. I fully believe it. It's just what I was talking about could happen. Do I think that Doug Martin is going to give you strong fantasy output? No. But this is why you had to at least stash him in deeper leagues because

He could see opportunity. And there's a difference between Doug Martin and Marshawn Lynch. Doug Martin has always had pass catching in his profile. He had it back at Boise State. He had it early on in his career when he was a true three-down guy and he was just force-fed targets from, oh, I can't remember that coach's name, but the clown from Tampa Bay who had rushed people when they were taking a knee? Greg Shiana. Is that it?

Yeah, okay. It's Greg Shiana. He was a clown. Okay. Regardless, he can be a three-down guy where Marshon can catch a ball because he's an NFL player, but Doug Martin's actually good at it. So it was- Man, Mike loves Doug Martin. That's what I'm hearing. I'm just saying the opportunity could present itself for fantasy. Is it possible? Let me ask you this. Is it possible to leave-

You know how you leave a grape out in the sun and it becomes a raisin? Yes. Is it possible to leave it out so long that that raisin goes bad? I think it's just hard. Or is it just finished? Well, here's the problem. If it turned into a raisin, it's already bad. Oh, because you don't like raisins. Because raisins are inherently terrible. So you don't like raisins. Mike and Doug Martin are throwing the raisins out of the tree because they're sitting up in the tree. Uh-oh. Yeah. It's I-N-G. You love Doug Martin.

I don't love Doug Martin. This is coach speak. This is endowment effect. This is everybody John Gruden has had is great and amazing. Amari Cooper, you're the best. See you later. I believe that they're the best. There's going to be a see you later there too. They will. I do believe they'll give Doug Martin the Marshaun Lynch role. He won't succeed with it. Jalen Richards role will increase.

The reality is the Raiders, the Giants, these are teams that are now actively without question tanking. They're getting rid of their players for picks. They're playing for next year. And Doug Martin, being your starting running back, helps serve that purpose. True enough. Don't forget, you can check out Mike on Sunday live on YouTube, Instagram, Facebook, Periscope, Twitch with last minute.

news notes information starts it decisions you can submit your questions and he will answer them 10 minutes he is contractually obligated i have earmarked 10 minutes for dog martin on that show tune so you have 20 minutes to ask your questions and then there'll be 10 minutes of slide shows kind of like one of those wedding slideshows um all the moments that mike has had with doug martin they're really good i actually remember when you traded doug martin after his 250 point weeks to acquire adrian peterson

I know, I traded him right before. Right. Oh, that's right. And then you thought you made a mistake. I was right before the Doug Martin breakout his rookie year. But then AP ran for 2000 yorks. We're going to get into the forecast. Remember the Thursday night game, Dolphins at Texans tonight. Kiki QT is out. Ryan Griffin, the tight end for the Texans is out. And I do want to share. I believe that Kenyon Drake is actually a pretty nice play today. Really? I do. And I don't like saying that.