Fantasy Football - Footballers AMA + Low Ball Trades - Podcast for 7/2

Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers Podcast with your hosts, Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and Mike Wright. Hello! Welcome in! Is that to balance the... You think I balanced the last episode? I don't know. That one was very quiet. I think you just had a slow start. Oh. Like I thought noise was going to come out. I didn't. Your own noise? Yeah, my own noise, Mike. Huh. It's not clear by now. We never restart a show or edit a show. If it's not obvious right this moment.

We just hit the button and then here we are. Thursday, July 2nd. We're into July, which means three shows a week. I love Michael Keaton. Yeah, next week because there's 4th of July. Yeah, we're not releasing one on the 4th of July. Also, we do hope you have a spectacular 4th of July. We're not actually here right now. I mean, I'm here right now. I mean, physically we're here for the record. I'm just saying we're out. Yeah, we had some family vacations simultaneously planned. So, a chance to get out with the kids and the wives and then we recorded a couple of shows.

Just saying. So, if something massive happens, don't worry. We'll talk about it. Yeah. But it hasn't as of today. And so, yeah, we'll start up with three shows a week next week. Hope everybody enjoys the 4th of July. It's a weird one because it's on a Saturday, which in some regards is great, right? Because you're on the weekend and then you have your festivities and you've got Sunday morning and you're not going to work. But on the other hand, I think a lot of people just want the day off. Like 4th of July is like a day off they normally get.

I think a lot of people are either giving the 6th. You get a Friday or Monday. Yeah. It will be observed. Observed. Yes. I like it. I'm observing the 4th of July. On the 3rd of July. On the 6th of July. But, no, we're here. We've got... Because I didn't. On the 4th, just to be clear. Right. I saved my observation. No, I participated in the activities. I just didn't observe anything. Welcome in. Happy to be with you. Happy to give you some fresh content. We've got mailbag today, AMA today, lots going on. You can join us in Phoenix for the Fantasy Footballers Live Megalist Show.

Presented by SiriusXM and sponsored by GMC and PetSmart. Friday, August 28th at the Van Buren, which is a fantastic venue. It's heating up. If you're watching on YouTube, you can see what it looks like. And you can get tickets at ballerslive.com. Not a lot left. But they could be yours. So you can go to ballerslive.com for that. The community, as always, the proud, the mighty, the Foot Clan, can be found at jointhefoot.com. We have a quick question of the day. It is about lowball trades. This question comes from Instagram from Matt. Do you send lowball trade offers to start or fair trades from the rip?

That is worded so humorously to me. Just like, hey, do you intentionally send a trade that you think is not fair? I mean, what is fair? That is my beginning to the entire principle. What is fair? I think fair. Fair is different for everybody because we all believe in players differently. The question, I believe, at the heart is saying, do you start where you want to finish? Or do you think, I'm willing to do a second, so I'll offer a third to start. We'll debate. Because we've got to work our way up. Right. And I think historically it doesn't work well.

You just never. I don't believe that when you start with a lowball offer that it usually gets negotiated into a good. That's the argument for it is I'm trying to open the conversation. It depends who you're dealing with. It really does. We've been in a league long enough where I know the people that want the less work. So I know when I will. You have to leave the margin then. I always know I'm going to get a counter, so I have to leave margin for those people. The old Coletti rule. Okay. Not just one person. But that is an incredible shout out.

Someone share that with our old friend. I would say that, again, I will come back to the point. Fairness is not objective. But I think when you're saying fairness, you're saying the person is going to receive the offer and go, okay, that's interesting. Instead of getting it and going. I do not want that reaction. I do not want somebody rolling their eyes and just giving up on the trade. I do want a trade to be sent that is I can persuade the person into why it's good for both of us. That is the art of the deal. The trade. Sure.

You do need to be able to paint the picture. I don't want to just send a blind offer. When I look at making trades and trade offers, even if they're lowball offers perceptively by you guys, which I think 100% of the ones I've ever sent, you guys have thought were lowball offers. So I have to put myself in that category. I want to be able to make a compelling case. That's what I am trying to build for somebody. If I look at our draft right now, when I click on each person's name, I'm seeing their situation, the keepers they have, the picks they have.

I'm trying to – the offer might be lowball in your mind, but I'm like, well, you don't have a pick from the third to the sixth round. So you pick up – my argument then to them is, well, you pick up two picks between those two for this player. I don't know if you guys would say those two picks are fair or not. Yeah. Let me ask an anecdotal question here that kind of is at the heart of this. In your experience, in all of our experience, do we think, from what we can remember, that the trades we have accomplished, the trades that got done,

do those usually get past the finish line after back and forth in negotiation, or usually the trades that go through were just offered and accepted? Back and forth. I have found most trades that I am a part of, they're done fast. That's how I'm – He's like, I send the offer or it comes to me and I'm just like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. That's how I think both of our experiences are, Mike, and somehow Andy is always able to just really get into the conversation on every trade. Because he knows who's willing to listen to a conversation. Yeah. I mean, yes.

It is. Part of it is reading the people and getting to know them and speaking their language. And part of it is if you start lower, your counter might end up lower. I mean, that's the truth. Like, if you start at a place that they aren't – they're not aghast and they're not pulling back in horror, your counter might be just something you like. I mean, that is – So I would say – are you saying that you generally do come in with a little bit lower offers? Is that what you're saying? Yeah. Everyone else's opinion would say it's lower.

Yeah. His was – is it's great. No, I don't think they're great. Okay. I think you have to say that out loud. I don't think they're always great. There are situations where, like, if I'm trading with one of you guys, I know that, like, you know how I'm thinking about it. You've known me well enough to know how I'm thinking about the trade. We've pulled off lots of trades. You and I did. I mean, you are the example of your trade. Now, I'm just going to – I'm going to paint the picture again. Earlier in the offseason, I'm playing for this year.

Jason's playing for the future. We're in a keeper league. His picks are thin. His keepers aren't as strong. He had some bad lottery luck. And he sends me a trade offer, and he sends me CeeDee Lamb for my Malik neighbors, and it's two months ago. I just got to accept. The trade was done in five seconds. I didn't come in in low ball. But, yeah. But I should have is what you're saying. No, you said that. That's the part I wanted to point out is after we got the deal done, which was fabulous and awesome, and I'm glad you sent it.

We had never talked before, and we just got it done. It worked for both of us. But right afterwards, immediately after, you're like, I should have included a pick in that thing. I know I could have gotten – you said that repeatedly. I know I could have got a pick back from you. So you did take the path of least resistance, and you got the deal done, but you had some regret. I didn't – so I don't have regret. Maybe I should have regret because I could have gotten another pick, right? I mean, for sure. You would have thrown in a fourth-round pick.

Of course I would have. So I should have regret, but I don't because I was like, I still like the trade for me for my goals. That's fine. But, I mean, you did bring it up a couple times. It's all in time. I'm very excited for you to yet again having traded CeeDee Lamb away, be it just explode in your face and be so dumb for you. Oh, you've done that before. Yeah. I traded you CeeDee Lamb when you won the championship with him and dad. I do think the biggest thing you raised in the dynasty. However, when that happened, when I traded CeeDee Lamb away, it was for an injured Justin Jefferson who I then won the championship with the next year.

So we're just playing this – Back and forth? The two-year plan. If I can get mine, I don't care what happens to you. Yeah. But it would be like the nightmare scenarios that you like Lamb more than neighbors going into next year's draft. Correct. That would be bad. But you do like Lamb. I love both those players. So you are expecting Lamb to have a great season. I am. I mean, if this was redraft, obviously Lamb is a first-rounder to me, and I wouldn't dream of drafting Malik in this year's first round. I think some of what we said is helpful.

Okay. I hope so. And I'm not going to pull the deucers of whether it was or not. But I think some of it was insightful. And everybody thinks about these things differently. Everybody – the biggest part, I think, that we would all agree is we all trade differently with different people. We all know what they like and they don't like, what kind of trades they receive and don't – some people really want you to have a conversation with them before you send a trade offer. Some people love getting as many trade offers in the system as they can as thought starters.

So everybody's different. Have you ever been personally offended by a trade offer, Mike? I mean, personally – By me? No. I don't think I've ever, like, really been personally offended. I've seen ones where you're just like – I'm just throwing it out there. Yeah. What are you doing? Ask me. Have you ever been personally offended? Of course. You send out some garbage sometimes. I do get a lot of from you that what is this nonsense reply. He doesn't expect me to say yes. I think you literally just offered me the 307 in our keeper. 301. The 301, which in our keeper league is basically the 601.

No. Yes. Sort of. No. At that point – It's sort of. At that point, it's exactly – Yes, that is for sure. It is the sixth round pick for Josh Jacobs. Oh. So it's pretty insulting. But that was the final counter to an agreement we weren't reaching. Yeah. Obviously. You offered me Jacobs for Hampton. Wait, so what? You were just trying to shut the trade down. Sort of. Yeah. You were like, I'm done talking. And you did. I was closing the door, but I didn't want to close with a decline. I wanted to close with something he could decline. Oh, make him offer he has to refuse.

I just want him thinking, I tried to get it over the finish line. Oh, that's not what I thought. Just so you know what I thought is – This is your – I sent it. I pretty much realized I didn't want Josh Jacobs, and that was my answer to the question. Yeah. Geez Louise. Which, by the way, if he goes to prison, that's a good deal for you. I would agree. Okay. Which you once escaped. I did. A prison sentence. I got a sixth rounder for Aaron Hernandez. Aaron Hernandez. Woo! Who shall not be – Right when he gets –

Yeah, that's a real – Yeah. Yeah, so there you go. There's your quick question of the day. I hear Al Borland laughing over there. Al, do you want to weigh in at all with the way the three of us trade? Any thoughts? Not really. I've never been personally offended. You ever personally offended other people by taking them out of a trade they invented, and then you got your deal done, and then they were kicked out of the trade, even though they were so creative? No, not me. But I do like the back and forth and the negotiation. I like to – just like when I'm buying something on Facebook Marketplace, I'm always going to start a little lower than asking price.

I think Papa Josh is the hardest one to trade with in this room, though. Would we agree with that? In this room, yeah. Especially now that he's got a co-manager. Because, Josh, you are guilty of the – my players are all the best disease. Mm-hmm. Even the ones you want – Oh, man. Even the ones you hate. You've got to drive the value. You know you're wanting to trade them away to us. Even the ones you hate. You got it? You can only paint the picture if they are the best. Got to drive the value up, man. Which now –

It doesn't do it. It might not be strategic. It might be like this vacation he went on where he went to spider cabins and sat out in the heat, and it was like the best vacation ever. Maybe everybody is the best player ever. Maybe he's just an optimist. He's just – well, except for the players he's receiving in the trade. You like DK Metcalf? He might be great. Okay. All right. There you go. All right. We are skipping the news today because, like I said, we're prerecording this by a few days, and so we'll take a quick break and jump into a very fun AMA mailbag.

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so you can claim your domain at Wix.com. That's Wix.com. Oh, I love talking trades. It's always fun. Here we go. Mailbag. Ask me anything. All right, if you have a question for the show, as always, we're here to help. You can go to the website, thefantasyfootballers.com. You can visit the site, click that, submit a question button, or dial our voicemail hotline 302-464-TFFB. Bonus points if you mess up your question when you leave us a voicemail. We'll definitely hear it. Let's start with a voicemail question. What's up, Ballers? My league of record adopted your league of record and the keeper policy with the franchise player.

I didn't know if you guys had any suggestions on what type of player you like to franchise versus what type of players you like to put into lottery. Thanks for taking my question on the mailbag. Mailbag. I'm back. Not bad. Okay. Thanks. That's pretty good. We may need to clip that for the days. Mike's not here. Yeah. So, in our format, the way it works is you choose one player to guarantee lock you get them. It's your franchise player, any player on your roster. Then you put three other players into a lottery. The only thing is, is those three cannot share the same position of your franchise.

So, if you franchise Christian McCaffrey, you can't put another running back in your lottery. You're going to lose one of your three lottery keepers at random. And so, I think for me personally, and I don't know if we have different strategies. For me personally, what I want is one of the top three, the 101, 102, 103 type of pick for my franchise. That is worth everything. And then I'll make my franchise, then I'll make my keepers work around it. If I don't have one of those guys, man, it is nice to have that tight end. And, you know, if you've got a Bowers or a McBride where now I can keep whatever, you know.

Two wideouts and a running back. Yeah. And it gives me so much flexibility when it comes to. Or Josh Allen at the franchise. Sure. Yeah, absolutely. Basically, most of the time the franchise player is running back or wide out. So, it knocks the rest of those positions out of your keeper lottery. And for those that are new to this or, you know, this is how we do our League of Records. So, we have a day every year where we all gather on Zoom and we spin a wheel. And one of your three players drops back into the draft. This is one of the ways to make it more exciting for the top of the draft.