Stat Surprises + Murky Situations, WR Name Game - Fantasy Football Podcast for 5/23

I have him with 83 receptions, which would be 10 more than last year. Yes, I do have him leading the team in receptions. So to answer the question briefly, yeah, we both see it that way. That doesn't mean the leap is into some number one overall spot. Right. His ADP right now, Mike, Kyle just sent this through, is the fifth round, the fourth pick. Is that a fair price if he leads the team? I think so. Yes. I would say yes. I'd say, yeah, and you have, the projections versus upside are not the same thing. The upside should Donald Kincaid take a true year-to leave are top three tight-end. Yeah, it is. And I don't know, you know, do we see some of the stalwarts of the tight-in position step up and continue to maintain their spots? You know, is Mark Andrews?

going to be right back up there again this year. I believe so. I think a lot of people expect it, but at the same time, I know Trey McBride, high expectations, Leporta, Ingram Najoku, and then you have players like pits. Like there are more upside angles at tight in this year, in my opinion. Like, you know how you normally have the group of like three or four? Like this year I see. So who would you, I'll give you Kincaid and I'll give you pits. Who else would you put in that category? McBride. Oh, I have McBride. I know, but you are, you're on drugs. Like you inject Trey McBride statics. Yeah, right into the veins, brother. You've converted a spreadsheet into like a drug and you snort it every day. I'm saying that Trey McBride is not in those. For me, he's not in the projections of guys who are like, I think they could take the step. It's no. McBride did. And he is just where among the elite tight ends does he finish? That's how I have. I mean.

It seems like historically we've taken a lot of time before we run up with a crown and hand it to these tight ends. But I feel like you have had this crown stored away for so long that the second Tray McBride put like three games together. It was like, here you go. I had this thing on layaway. I just want to hear a sentence about why it might not be as great this year from you. But then I would just be lying to you. Yeah, I know. I know. So McBride is in that category for me of decisions between what you expect to be solid guys or upside. Njoku is still interesting. Njoku was the, people need to know, like this was the best tight end in football over the last part of the year. Yeah, I know why. It wasn't, but you're talking week seven on, Mike. Yeah.

He didn't even have a, he had one fantasy finish outside the top 12 from week seven on. That's almost the whole season. How many of those weeks did he play when he actually had a good game, was he playing with Deshaun Watson? Do you have Najoku's numbers in front of you? Yeah. Okay, Watson played week nine. How did it go? He was four for 26 and a touchdown. Okay, he got the score. That's the tight-in. He got 12. This is going to be fun because I got one sheet up. Okay. You have the other sheet up. I have. Don't say week 13. Deshawn Watson played week 10. He was six for 58, finished as the tight end 10. That's a good, that's a good week. That's, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's not bad, but saying. Sure. And the first three weeks, I don't remember Najoku was. No one needs to.

That's the hardest thing for him. But you can't blame him for not playing with Watson and putting up the numbers that he did. No, no, I'm saying. The hardest thing is the team knows for sure now that Najoku can be like the focal point or the focal point of any given week. And yet his numbers when Deshawn Watson has been the quarterback have been terrible. Everything that's happened with Deshawn Monson as the quarterback has been terrible. Yes. That's the biggest question. He was the tied in six last year and he missed a game. That's what Najoku gave you. 123 targets, 81 for 882, six touchdowns and big plays. That's what Joseph Flacco gave you. Yeah. You know, it wasn't just Flacco though, right? They started Dorian Thompson a couple times. Yeah. That's his name, right? Yeah, DTR. Yeah, DTR.

And I think one other, didn't they start one other quarterback? Let me go check. Kyle, do you remember one other name? PJ Walker, Driscoll. And Jeff Driscoll. So when you say, I mean, he played, yeah, Joku played with Flacko was five games, dude. Yeah. Five games, but his run was from week seven on. I just think he's being undervalue. In the open field, David and Joku is unbelievable. Yeah. If they didn't learn from last year, they're stupid. That's what I'm saying, where it's so difficult is, and it wasn't just Flacco. PJ appeared in six games, DTR was in eight. The fact that you had four other quarterbacks and Njoku was able to put up like some really strong numbers with those guys, but so rare with Watson. The sample was so small. Watson played what? Six games. It felt like zero.

It felt like too many. It was not good, man. Nope. But they've tied themselves to him. Yeah. Buckle up. It is. We were talking about him on the Dynasty show, and it really is, unless they take a Russell Wilson salary cap kick to the groin, Watson's there for two years. The Browns had the most turnovers in the NFL, played five different quarterbacks, and went 11 and 6. That's amazing. So, you know, keep using Njoku. Instagram question from Alec writes in, says, is Garrett Wilson a trap and redraft? Maybe. I mean, is Aaron Rogers a good quarterback? Did you see his quote? But I don't want to go out as a bum or whatever. Yeah, I don't want to go out as a bum or whatever he said. You know, he welcomes the competition.

understands the pressure. We don't need Aaron Rogers to be great. We need him to be a starting quarterback. A slightly above average starting quarterback. And then Garrett Wilson's fantastic. That's proven by Joe Flacco giving Amari Cooper a great run at the end of the year. And, you know, you can come in and be competent. You know, Jefferson was good with Nick Mullins. Like, just give me. Give me like a late career Philip Rivers season in Los Angeles. And the, it's evaluating film can be very difficult, but watching Garrett Wilson routes and the way he can put defenders in a blender and his hands are good. So it's everything is there. If he, if he sees the same volume, then, and has a quarterback who can actually give him catchable targets, then he, he won't be a trap.

But that's a lot of ifs for a guy who's being drafted as the eight overall or eight wide receiver overall. I don't think he'll be a trap. That would be my final vote. And I think part of the reason why he won't be a trap. Yeah, Garrett played with Flacco. Were those good games, Kyle? Yeah, they were pretty good. I remember. Yeah, he's. It's passing volume. I mean, I don't think it'll be a trap because I don't know if you can tell me the next best player to catch a football on that team. And Aaron Rogers is not stupid. When he had Devante Adams or Jordy Nelson, he throws it to the talent. Yep. He likes guys that are wide open. Yeah, and that's one of Wilson's abilities. So most ever targets through two years, he's been a tease, right? Let's be honest. He makes all the moves and the ball's not near him. And then, you know, he's due for some touchdown. It's got to be. And the jets are due to get into the red zone for one. Maybe. All right. Let's take a quick break and come back with some more questions.

All right, Kyle on X is how do you feel about Chris Olava as a wide receiver one for your fantasy team? We're still waiting for a true breakout, but he has high-end traits to be one of the top in the league. Feels like we're talking about Garrett Wilson. All three of them are the same. Drake London, Cursela Lave, Garrett Wilson. Yeah, the promise is still there. To me, all three of those guys can really, they can still take the leap forward. Will all three of them do it? I don't know. I mean, probability. says that they won't. They need Joe Flacco, man. Everybody needs Joe Flacco. And funny enough, we were just talking about Krista Lave as well on this week's Dynasty show. And Betts was bringing up, you know, we have a new offensive philosophy, hopefully. I mean, you have a new guy. So last year, Pete Carmichael, the team was 32nd in pre-snap motion. And this is like a real easy stat of,

When you go, I don't have the numbers in front of me, but it's like the Miami, San Francisco, any high-powered offense that you think of, they run pre-stamp motion all the time because this is a part of what the NFL needs right now. They were dead last in it. They bring in Clint Kubiak, so another one of the cubes coming from San Francisco. This will be in there. This will be a. much more. So I want to watch the television this year? I mean, that was so hard to watch last year. This will be a more modern offense, no matter what. Maybe they don't become great, but they will be much improved over last year. And an interesting tweet here from Football Insights. Chris Olave, 3.13 yards per route run with motion, the last two regular seasons. That would be third for all wide receivers.

behind Tyreek, behind C.D. Lamb. So OLAVe, when they've gotten things going around, when they've actually used a modern approach to an NFL offense, good things have happened. I want to play a game with you, and I'm going to read you a name. Okay. And you're going to tell me whether there are one of the Saints wide receivers. All right? So I just say Saints wide receiver or I've also asked, no, no, I've also asked ChatGBT to give me some random names. Okay. So I'm mixing in, like you don't know. All right. Let's start here with Kyle Sheets. No. Yeah, he is a four stringer for the Saints. All right. Next name. Stanley Morgan. Stanley, no way. Third stringer with the cheat or with the Saints. Morgan Stanley? Nope, Stanley Morgan, my friend. Let's go here, Andrew Brooks. Let's say no.

No, not a Saints one. Yeah, all right. We got one. Um, let's go with Mason Tipton. Look, bro, Rashid, Rashid, A.T. Perry. Yeah. Chris Olavie. Mm-hmm. These are the only guys of note right now. Yeah. By the way, Mason Tipton, one of the third stringers for the Saints. Also, Jermaine Jackson, Bob Meath. Oh, yeah, Bob. They just trapped at Bob means. Equanimia, St. Brown. Um. So, yeah, all the pre-stap motion in the world is not going to help you from Stanley Morgan. But, but yeah, I mean, Rashid Shaheed is going to get targets. And so is Joe. Oh, yeah. So is Joanne Johnson. And let's be honest, their wide receiver too. His name is Alvin Kamar. Yeah. John Johnson is sneaky. He is. And I know it's, he was sneaky last year. And it, it felt like it. As a whole, it did not work out. But.

End of season. But end of season, you're like, oh, there it is. There's Joanne Johnson. There you are, Peter. Yeah. He will be, he'll be a fun name to monitor over training camp to see if he gets the same type of buzz that he got last year. He was hurt in the final week of the year and only played 46% of snaps. The previous three weeks tied in one, four, nine. Yep. And he just did not get off to a good start. So it'll be interesting if, you know, The offense changes under Kubiak and what that means for the tight ends, but I'm sure that you're going to have some interesting names catching passes this year. All right. Jacob wants to know, Instagram question, Chase Brown or Zach Moss in a full PPR. So the Bengals, I'm putting together a, just a little research project here, trying to figure out these really actually like.

what would be viewed as an ambiguous backfield because this team doesn't have a running back currently being drafted inside the top 24 running backs. So like saying we just, we don't know who it is for sure. And the Cincinnati Bengals are in that camp right now between Zach Moss and Chase Brown. Chase Brown is what we have listed is 510205. To me, this is Zach Moss. I know that the deal wasn't. Not a lot of money. It wasn't a lot, but it was $3 million guaranteed. It was one of those pretty quick in the free agency process that they're like, we're going to move on from Joe Mixon, you know, the whole saga of he was going to get cut and then he ends up getting traded at the last second. Chase Brown seemed to not be trusted in, you know, in actual pass protection. And Zach Moss is, Jack Moss was very good.

last year. It's one of the things Jason would often say. Yeah, yeah, Jason, big Zach Moss guy. Yeah. But during, if you listen to our mock draft episode from Tuesday where I was trying to lay out some of these running backs in weird situations of, or not weird, but in good situations where you say, is this player good? Good. Do I know if this player is good or not? I don't think we know yet on Zach Moss. That's the risk. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's why he's being drafted. Yeah, the risk is just. If he's not good, he doesn't have to be their guy. But if he is good, he'll be their guy. Then he'll get 65 to 70% of the work. So to me, this is. I think Moss is good. This is Zach Moss. That's the pick for me as well. I agree. Scoot Warner says, how do I know when it's time to give up and let my toddler make my draft picks? That's a really good question. Don't give up, Scoot. There's a few moments that you do know. There are some signals.

If you look at your roster at any point during the draft, and you have two or more Carolina Panthers on the team. Okay. That's when you hand it off to the toddler. That's good. That's one of the markers. If you draft any of the tight-ins Mike likes, you want to hand that off to the toddler at that point in time. How dare you? YouTube question from Phillip. Do you think I could get the 101 for Jamar Chase in a dynasty? And should I consider offering? Yeah, if you draft Stanley Morgan, it's also another opportunity to hand the picks to your toddler. Or your portfolio. You do want to hand your portfolio off, not your team. That's smart. Jamar Chase. Could you get the 101 for Jamar Chase? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Not everywhere, but in a good amount of leagues. To say, should I consider offering it? Like, I mean, this is no.

I would rather have Jamar Chase than Marvin Harrison. Is it close at all? I mean, it's like... What if you're in a full... You're fully rebuilding in Jamar... It's like Glendale to Scottsdale close. You know what I mean? Same state. About 30 minutes. 30 minutes away. Freeway drive. But I'm not crossing state lines. Yeah, I'm still going to take Jamar Chase over Marv. Yeah. Look, that... And readily accept that that could be... a bad decision after this year. Do you think we should commit to more local, regional humor? You think that will land with, like, city-based humor from Phoenix? I think people really like it. Yeah, I think they get it. So, like, what, what's now? Borrow's Pizza? That's a local pizza chain here. We'll do Borrow's jokes. Oh, it's great. All right. We'll keep it regional. We should, what we should do is use AI and.

every location that people hear the podcast, AI switches those two cities to two cities that are near them. So it seems like we cater to everybody. I follow. And then they're like, these guys are like my best friends. They live right next to me. Right? That would be very funny. Yeah. So get on that. Can we work on it? Get on it. Deucers. We're on it. Thank you. All right, question on IG. I have Sequin. This is from Matt Sink. I have Sequin and A.J. Brown in Dynasty. Should I be looking to move one of them? Not really. No, no, I'm fine. The Eagles will be a strong offense, and both of these players individually are going to be great players. Yeah, two Panthers, not great. Two Eagles? Sure. Yeah, I think you're fine there.

IG question from Don, and Dynasty, would you rather trade away Jalen Hertz or Anthony Richardson? Come on, guys. Well, it's the balance of if you trade Jalen Hertz, you're going to get way more. Yeah, yeah. So it's, do you want way more and taking the risk of the next big quarterback or keeping the elite quarterback and just getting what you can for Richardson? I think I bit my tongue. Hold on, hold on, hold on. You think? Yeah, I did bite my tongue. Okay. Confirmed. Adam Schefter reporting. I have never bit my tongue and thought, hold on. Did I bite my tongue? Did you, did someone else bite your tongue? No. Jay Gris bit my tongue. Yeah, so that's new. What were you doing? I don't know. I was just kind of fooling around. Oh, man. Could you go on? Yeah, no, I'm good. I'm not bleeding or anything. I'm good.

All right, well, we'll close it out with this YouTube question from OG Ghost. We have a punishment in our league where the last place, the last place person has to stay at a waffle house for 24 hours. Yeah, so the waffle challenge. Yeah, if you eat one waffle, you can knock off one hour of time. The problem is last place has already confirmed he won't be doing it. Outside of just kicking him from the league, do you have any suggestions or penalties we could implement this season? In the season or in the draft for people that don't complete the punishment for finishing last. So the last place person agreed to this before and now isn't doing it? I would have to believe so. What's wrong? I mean, waffles are delicious. Yeah, but you're, have you not seen video people trying to do it? Yeah, I know. I mean, it's like how many of those waffles could you actually eat? We've talked about this. I think I could get 12 down and I'd be sitting there for 12 more hours. Oh, man.

You eat a waffle, wait an hour. That's probably, is that the pace you want to do? It could be. We need to break down a whole spreadsheet. Has anybody had the inherent danger of being at a waffle house included into the punishment? I think that's a known thing. If you spend 12 hours in a waffle house, do you leave? Do you leave fully intact? Yeah, like with all of your possessions? I think there's a chance of no. You better eat quick. But for the question, I mean, it's that's so lame. That is so lame. If you were part, especially like if people have already done this and then it's it's known. Everyone agrees. These are the stakes. Yeah. That's the breaking of the trust. If you all agreed in the beginning to do it and then he lost and he's a sour sport and doesn't want to do it, I think if it's important enough for the league, you can boot him. Yeah.

And if it's not that important and you like the guy and you want them in there, then don't make this that big of a deal. It's so bad, man. It's so bad because this one person now is above the league. Right. They will feel like, I don't know. I can do whatever I want. And like I don't have to abide by the rules of this league. Yeah, I do. I think like imagine you go, imagine you're in anywhere. You make a financial bet. It goes through. You lose. And like, this is when people are coming with bats for your legs. Like, it's a bet. It, it, you have, you have this, then, yeah, like a contract has been made and the contract needs to be honored. It's not a big deal, man. Just eat some waffles, man. Go goof around and bring, bring a laptop. Get some work done. Bring, whatever, a book. There's no way that he's going to hear any of this.

stuff we're saying because if you've been listening to the show, there's no way he's in this position. I can agree with that. You know what I mean? All right, that is going to do it for today's episode. Sorry. Just go do it. Just go eat some waffles, man. Tuesday, we've got fantasy wild cards on the show. Oh, wild cards already? Yeah, and then we've got an explain yourself episode. Excellent. So, D.K. Metcalfe, Jason. Go ahead. And that's on Thursday. We'll be back intact then. Wait, I had a request. For what? Hold on. I got to find a drop really quick. It's important. Who was doing? Oh. We have new ones. We're just going to keep going with this one. Okay. Yeah, I like that part. Do we have new ones? Yes. Did we have some of the staff make us some songs? We have some. Remember Jason put out just that banger? Okay.

So we're going to work some in? Yes. We've got nine days left. I would love to. So there you go. UDK. UDK. Oh, okay. Come on. I do remember now, yeah. All right, that'll do it for today's show. Thank you for joining us. Shout out to the Ducers and Deucers Alley for keeping things on lockdown. Bye. Goodbye. Thank you for listening to another episode of the Fantasy Footballers podcast. Join our fantasy football community on Jointhefoot.com. and follow us on Twitter at the FF Ballers.