Fantasy Football Podcast 2017 - Mid Round Madness + Maaailbag!

Exactly, Andy. No, look, when you bring up Larry Fitzgerald as. This is like Clio advice. 28th wide, well, he's had his dreams before that he shared with us. So we'll just throw that in there. Look, you look at 28th wide receiver out the board for Larry Fitzgerald at 511. And the 21st wide receiver out the board, Troll, Pryor, at 405. I don't see a good justification not to take Larry Fitzgerald over Troll prior in that situation. You save a round and a half.

and you get a player that's finished in the top 12 two consecutive years. That's a PPR monster. And most of his career as well. That score double-digit touchdowns, I believe five times in his career. Might be more than that. Well, how many odd years has he played? Oh, goodness. That's the question. All right. We'll move on from Ms. Cleo. Look, I'm going with Andrew Luck. I'm going with Andrew Luck, and it is a rarity if you've listened to this show for a quarterback's name.

to drip off my lips as a guy to draft. And Andrew Luck's shocking. Andrew Luck is going at 501, the fourth quarterback off the board. And I'm telling you, I'm finally willing to take an earlier than normal quarterback, a potential number one quarterback in round five. I'm not paying the Rogers, the Brady, the Ryan Premium. I'm getting Andrew Luck here in the fifth round.

And I'm going to make a point to you. Now, I believe Drew Breeze is going at 508. So you might say, hey, why don't you pick Drew Breeze? He's a little bit better value. He's always in that top 12. I'm going to tell you why. Because he's a sure thing every single week. Andrew Luck is matchup proof when he's played against top defenses, Houston, Kansas, Denver, Seattle, as good if not better performances, fantasy-wise. He is...

Home and away proof. In his five years, he is exactly the same pretty much between home and away. And I mean like down to like percentage points. He is beginning and end of the season proof. If you compare how he starts and how he finishes, same production. I don't think you see a quarterback that is the better combination of value in the draft with consistency week to week, the kind of every single week you're going to outperform your opponent unless they're wielding an Aaron Rogers.

or maybe a Tom Brady on the right week. I just think this is the year where I am all in on Andrew Luck. And just to add a little bit more fuel to that fire, you throw out his injury played the year, right? The final ranking on that year is inconsequential because he didn't play half of it. In his four healthy years, he's finished 10th, his rookie year, then 6-1-4. So there's my case. I think at 5-01 I'm finally ready to do it. I want that stalwart quarterback, and he's the only way.

One, I'm willing to spend that pick on unless I'm going to wait on an Andy Dalton or Philip Rivers or somebody later in the draft, Matthew Stafford. But for me, Andrew Luck, mid-round, Target. I think he's going to be that for me all off-season unless he starts climbing up the rankings. And he's got, look, you got Kamar Aiken coming in there, a healthy Dante Moncrief for now. And T.Y. Hilton, who he's absolutely ever, since Hilton's been in the lineup, he's dominated with T. Y. Hilton.

And, you know, Philip Dorset said he's a new and improved Philip Dorset today. Philip Dorset is of no consequence. No, he's not. But what do you guys think about Andrew Luck? I think that, you know, Andrew Luck has finished as the quarterback won before, and he won people fantasy championships when he did that. If you are grabbing Andrew Luck in that fifth round and he ends up as that number one quarterback, then you will be right. We have talked about Aaron Rogers in the back of the third before. Right. And for me, you know, I would disagree.

I've got a three point total on the year difference in how I'm projecting him and Russell Wilson, who Russell Wilson is going two rounds later. And that's probably, if I were to pick a mid-round madness quarterback, it would be Russell Wilson. But really, here's the truth. When you grab those middle round guys, you absolutely have to have them be one of the best two quarterbacks to make sure that that gap between the rest fits in for what you're giving up in the fifth round.

Andrew Luck can do that, has done it. And if he does it again, you're not going to be sad. I think if he finishes as the quarterback four, you're going to go, I wish I just got, you know, stream the position or got a late guy, you know, in the eighth, ninth, tenth round and had a better pick in the fifth round. Mike, who is your, our last mid-round target before we grab some listener questions? The last guy I'm going to throw out here is the number one wide receiver.

on the Oakland Raiders. Amari Cooper is not available in the fourth round. No, because Michael Crabtree is the number one wide receiver until proven otherwise. And you can get him two rounds later than this hypothetical that Amari Cooper is going to provide you this year. The last two years, 2016, Michael Crabtree was the wide receiver 18. Last year, wide receiver.

11. Over the last two years, he is averaging nine targets a game. He is heavily utilized. He is heavily utilized in the red zone, in the 10 zone. You have Derek Carr, who's improved every single year. He should easily be a 4,000-yard 30-plus touchdown quarterback. And usually for those kinds of guys, you have to pay top dollar for their wide receivers. But the general public,

thinks that's Amari Cooper. And to me, I'm just going to hold back and say, fine. I will take Michael Crabtree. I will take the guy who has proven it for multiple years. And I'm making jokes about Amari Cooper. He certainly could take that jump. But it's known production in Michael Crabtreezry at the back of the fourth. Here are other guys going around Michael Crabtree in the fourth round currently. Tyreek Hill. C.J. Anderson in the ADPI I looked up. Drew Brees. Keenan Allen.

Pryor who Andy loves, Adrian Peterson, Latavius Murray, Doug Martin, Jarvis Landry. I mean, there are massive questions, and there are ceilings that are down on a lot of these players, except here's wide receiver one, Michael Crabtree, just hanging out at the back of the fourth, who I will gladly take. The question has never been asked here on the show since his signing, but do you foresee any potential 10 zone and in?

implications of Marshaun Lynch on that offense and anything to do with Crabtree and how it will be targeted inside the 10 zone because you have a proven goal line back. No, because what the Tavius have, 12? Yeah, I don't think we're good. Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking is the fact that they did run inside that, you know, inside the 10 zone last year. I do like your pick in Michael Crabtree. And I want to bring up another thing that we had a show.

last year. Maybe we could bring it back this year again. And actually, I think this show was... Can't do it. I think this show was two years ago. You guys will have to remind me where it was always underappreciated guys. And we looked back historically at guys who... Oh, it was the No Respect episode. Yeah, it was the Rodney Dangerfield episode. You do a pretty good Rodney Dangerfield. That's good. I'll get no respect. But the thing is, is when guys are, you know, a little bit older...

and they outperform their ADP. We found that, and we looked up the data, it was a constant thing. They would do it.

A year later and a year later, it happened every year with Jordy. It happened every year with Fred Jackson. It happened every year with Frank Gore. It happened every year with Michael Crabtree. Danny Woodhead. I throw a Doug Baldwin over the last two years. Absolutely. He's inching into that category. Once you, for some reason, just don't have that, you know, that lustre to your name or that upside ceiling. The glisten is gone. That youth, whatever it is, when you don't have the athleticism, whatever it is.

If there's a reason to undervalue you, it's going to happen year after year after year. And the guys that actually get it done on the NFL field, they just keep doing it. Do you kind of identify with that problem? Yeah. Absolutely. Because I still always outperform everybody, but. But you've lost. For Michael Crabtree, in my opinion, it's completely, it.

It's the narrative. He came in. He was an extremely high draft pick. He held out, I think, into the season. He fit the mold of the wide receiver diva who people just dislike. And then he underperformed. And then he underperformed. Eventually he started building some traction with Kaepernick, but then he got hurt. And he burned people. And it was, okay, we are done with him. But he bounced back. He bounced back with production.

But it doesn't matter because people have already solidified. My opinion on that guy is I don't like him. And I'm not going to use him on my fantasy football team. We talk about being water in the draft. You have to be water with your opinion on guys here. I'm not a big fan of Todd Gurley. I didn't like him so much coming into last year. And my opinion on him for this year is, you know, I'm not.

looking forward to it. I don't have high expectations for him. But if he comes back and he looks great again, I'm not just going to stay in this. Well, Todd Gurley's, I think he's terrible. It's, you have to update your opinions as things change. There's new information. I have a new opinion. You know, it's fine. I've seen you soften on, you know, the Carlos hides of the world. Right. It, it, it's, Jeremy Hills, the guys you, you can have a dream in fantasy football.

But it can't stay a dream forever. You got to face reality unless you want your team to stink. Yeah. So it's don't be afraid to say, oh, this is what you were in. And we can be very vocal too. I mean, we're in front of microphones disparaging people of what we think their fantasy value is. Sometimes you get it wrong. And instead of just. Devonzie Freeman. And I'm on board. I think Freeman's great now. And I don't just sit in my filth.

and not change it. Do you think that's a fresh diaper? By the way, do you think Freeman and Cousins, either of them sign an extension this offseason? I'm going to go on record. I'm going to project a Kurt Cousins extension this off season. It wouldn't shock. Can they? Yes, they can. July 15th is kind of the 49ers can extend Kirk Cousins this year? That blows me away. Stop it. All right. Joe Mixing, Larry Fitzgerald, Terrell, Pryor, Andrew Luck, Amir Abdullah, the Abdullah Express. And Michael,

Crabtree. An honorary Frank Gore. Yeah, I was saying I've got an honorary one, too, at 611. Golden Tate is an honorary selection. It was between him and Fitz for me. Yeah, if I had three picks, Tate would have been in there. So we're going to answer some listener questions. Mailbag. Mailbag. Well done, Mike. Thank you. Well done. Some people, they wonder, are the mailbag drops live? They're all live. Every time. Always.

We got an upgrade. We're almost to 400 shows. Only the mailbag. Only the mailbag vocals are live. I want every time we do a mailbag. Oh, you want the guitar to come out? I want him to have to pull out a guitar on his lap. Then I'm going to need a full band. Can we get a house band that just they sit there in case we do like a late night show? You can rip on. Brooks plays guitar, just so you know.

Oh, well, this is happening. Brooks plays guitar. He should be pulling it out over there. He strikes me as a saxophone. You know, a lot of people... Can we get the roots in for, like, one show? That'll be so sweet. That would be awesome. Just take over the mics, guys. A lot of people have been saying on YouTube, they're saying, I wonder what Brooks looks like. You'll never know. What's Paul Giamani? Paul Giamani. Oh, man. Come on my, man. We're going to keep throwing actors out there.

But they're all going to be ugly. All right. If you have a question for the fantasy footballers podcast, go to the website, the fancy footballers.com. Go to more. Click the submit a question button. Or you can dial a voicemail hotline. We love voicemails. They're great. Just call us. 302-464 TFFB. Leave us a voicemail. It's even better if you mess up the first time and then you fix it on your second call. All right. Here's a question from Stephen in Oceanside, New York City.

New York City. I don't think it's Oceanside New York City. Oh, I mean, yeah, you're right. You got it. Nailed it. I just kind of wanted to say city. Our commission left last year, but now he wants back in. As of right now, the deal on the table is to bump from 12 to 14 teams, but roughly half the league doesn't like it. The other option is to not bring him back all together and put him on the waiting list. Our old commission also refuses to renew the league if he does not get back in. Oh, come on, man.

What should we do? So I liked everything about trying to get them back in until I found out what you were doing. I'm fine with the expansion, but the league has to be on board. Yeah, at least the majority. If this is a long time. You left. You left the league. You do not negotiate with terrorists. I love Michael Keaton. But I mean, I was fine with Andy. If.