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Week 4 Studs & Duds, Rising Stars, White Hat, Black Hat

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Week one looked great for Corey Davis and then he had a couple down weeks, but nine for 161 and a touchdown against the Philadelphia Eagles, you can start Corey Davis every week as long as Marcus Marietta is healthy. This is a perfect situation. We talked about it last week. Rashad Matthews, gone. Delaney Walker, gone. If Corey Davis couldn't break out under that situation, the red, you know, siren alarms are going off, but he had himself a monster day. And yeah, I agree with you, Andy.

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His situation, you have to start him going forward. Big week, finally scored. That's his first touchdown in the NFL if you don't count the playoffs. His first regular season is scored. Corey Davis, everything has been there, draft pedigree, talent, athletic measurables. Finally made a play. Finally, and it's one of those things that it's the momentum, the momentum for Corey Davis, of this being an actual breakout game of.

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Maybe he's over that mental hurdle of week to week production now for Corey Davis. And they win. I mean, they win the game with him. My rising star. He's a go-to receiver. We always do a player, but my rising star is actually the Tennessee Titan. I mean, I was saying this this last week. I think they might just be a good team. Last week I was like, I've never seen a team that I feel like is bad just win so many games. Their defense is.

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just using witchcraft, I believe is what I said. Because they're stopping good teams, but I think I'm turning the corner to where I think they're just good. Well, the Titans weren't good. And that was last year, there were two teams that made the playoffs with negative point differentials. It was the Bills and the Titans. So I think it was fair to be hesitant about them. But they're making some late game calls. I mean, going for the touchdown in and of itself.

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I mean, John Fox was rolling over in his way, he's alive. But in football terms, he's dead. Sure. And play calling terms. So it was one of those things where they took the shot at it. And Mario to look good. Mario hit Davis deep showing that he can make the throw with his arm and he's back and they're okay. An arm throw? Well, I remember he's got the elbow injury and so they said he couldn't make every throw on the field. So he made the throw. Let's move it into the poop in their big boy pants.

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segment. We don't have to spend a ton of time here. Pooped in his big boy pants. Well, Drew Breeze. Hey, what's up with that? 18 for 32. That was weird. Didn't throw a touchdown. Weird game. Uh, Michael Thomas got pretty well shut out by Generalis Jenkins. Yeah, thanks. Guys. Hey, shout out to the duds.

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Also known as my League of Record team here. Let's hear your League of Record teams. Well, yes. You want to hear my League of Record team? Okay dokey. Here it goes. Russell Wilson. He was a dud. Dalvin Cook. Dud. Dunn Allen. He laid out to where he was just. Dudd. Yeah. How about Michael Thomas this week? Four for 47. Okay. O.J. Howard? Goose. Oh, that knee. That knee was not good.

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Alex Collins? Glumble. Glumble on the goal line. That's not good. Devonta Freeman. Irrelevant. Injured. Wait, you didn't start Freeman? No, of course. He's throwing him in as like, uh, I had David Johnson. Extras, bonus. My best player. You wonder who my best player is? It turns out. Justin Tucker? Justin freaking Tucker. He's so good. I wish I was. I made you an offer for Justin Tucker. As good at anything as Justin Tucker is good at kicking.

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He can also sing opera in several languages. I heard that last night. You go away, Justin Tucker. You make the rest of us feel bad. Tannehill did not perform in New England at all. 11 for 20 for 100 yards, just even 100. And we talked about Russell Wilson. I mean, is he in every week start with, you know, Doug Baldwin backish? I don't know, man. He's going to the Los Angeles Rams next week, which you could argue he's going to have to pass. He's going to have to run, but it's also a great defense.

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I mean, what do you do this coming week? Well, he's at home, isn't he? Yes, yes. So that makes a huge difference to me. I would probably play him. I feel like I want to pick somebody up. I'm not going to drop Russell. And I really don't like to roster two quarterbacks unless there's a extenuating circumstances. And I think this qualifies. I would, like if Andy Dalton or someone like that still happens to be on the waiver wire, I would rather pick them up at this point and wait until Doug Baldwin is fully back.

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And ready to go. All right, running back duds. Kenyon, Drake. Uh-oh. Uh-oh. Four touches. Yeah, you had asked me how many touches Kenyon Drake had at a certain point late in the game. I think you asked us to guess. It was me. Oh, yeah. And I guessed five. And I was too high. So you realized that the past two games combined, here's Kenyon Drake's rushing.

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log eight attempts for six yards man what is happening uh not good he was my make or break player this week he broke into a thousand itty bitty pieces if you don't get carries or receptions you don't get fantasy points is it's a nightmare yeah it's a nightmare what do you don't start him just hold him i guess you definitely don't start him

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Wait, so what was that line you just said? What's his yards per carry on that? 0.75. Man, he's making Ronald Jones look good. Oh, Ronald Jones led the team. Before the week. With 2.9 yards per care. Before the week began, he was the 34th ranked fantasy running back. He scored two fantasy points. He is currently unstartable, completely. And Frank Gore scored in this game. Frank Gore looked okay.

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He is infinite. He is all. But Kenyon Drake is one of the biggest buses of the season. Yes. Jordan Howard, 11 for 25, big bust week. People wanted to know what's up. We talked about it earlier. Farnett with the injury. A perfect trade four target to me. Hey, Isaiah Crowell showed up, but not really. He should have stayed home. Four for zero. One for three through the air. Four for zero. Yeah. Dalvin Cook, this is bad. Delvin Cook came out and said he is less than 100 percent dealing with the hamstring injury.

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suddenly him saying that, as opposed to coming out of the game and saying he feels well, that's the problem. There was huge hope, right? Like, as the Delvin Cook owner, he comes out, he gets 10 carries in the first half. Unfortunately, he doesn't do that much with it. He looked great. He was breaking off 6, 7, 8-yard runs, but then every other run was negative 5 yards because the defense was behind the line of scrimmage. The second half, he doesn't touch the ball again, and you go, okay, it's okay, because they said coming to this game, he's going to be on a pitch count. So maybe it was...

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They're giving 10 carries, he got 10, and then they're not going to have him touch the ball anymore. And what I, as a Dalvin Cook owner, was thinking is I need to hear if there was any worry about the injury after this game. Because if there was any worry about the injury, then the reason he didn't go out was not a pre-game plan pitch count. It was reaggravation, and they just don't want to say it. Because they kept saying in that game, no, Dalvin Cook is healthy. This is not because he's injured is the reason why he's not getting on the field.

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hogwash. I got a fun keep trade cut for you. Kenyon Drake, Derek Henry, LaShaul McCoy. Go. Keep LaShawn McCoy. Trade Derek Henry. Trade Henry. Great Henry. Cut Drake. Oh. Derek Henry, eight for 24. Looked terrible to the eyeballs. I believe DeL. Louis had zero yards rushing in this game, but he had nine receptions for 66 yards and made himself relevant. So.

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Derek Henry, cut him. Yeah. One of the UDK busts. Yes, he was. I'm not going to. Yeah, you don't cut Derek Henry, I don't think. I mean, this was the Philadelphia defense. Okay. You know, he was the 44th ranked running back before the week. He has been single digits every single week. 4.7.7 points, 4 points.

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Put it this way. Put it this way. If Derek Henry were on the waivers, this is kind of the way that I look at cuts. As I say, if Derek Henry was on the waivers and so I'm saying, should I pick him up, my answer to that person would be, of course, yes, pick up a starting running back in the NFL. Even if he's been playing poorly, and that doesn't mean you need to start him, but there's value there. Yeah, but would you rather have Naim Hines? I was just going to ask you that. Or Ty Montgomery or Alfred Morris or.

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Montgomery, maybe, but I was going to ask you specifically, Andy, because your opposition to Heinz, would you rather have Naim Hines, who is only really getting work in the passing game? Or Derek Henry, he had two straight weeks of 18 carries. So he's still involved. He's just not doing anything. Yeah, as I was going to say, if 18 carries equals nothing. I would rather take Naim Hines because if he cards out, if you guys are right and he cars out a special role in the offense, he's had weeks where.

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I mean, I believe Naim Hines has outscored Derek Henry every single week. That sounds about right. So if that's the case, why wouldn't you take a guy that you're not sure what the role is going to be carved out into, you know, I don't think you, I would agree with Jason that you don't cut Derek Henry in every circumstance. You don't cut him vindictively. But it's the same with Drake. It's the same with any of these guys where if you got a better option to sign, you can't play scared of cutting Derek Henry. He's a time bomb.

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Yeah, man, Henry, unbelievable. I mean, you cut Chris Hogan, right? Yes. One catch. Yeah, at this point, you probably do cut Chris Hogan. If you want to wait one more week, see what happens when Julian Edelman is back and see if Chris Hogan can get back to being sneaky and finding space in the end zone.

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I'm okay with one more week of holding Chris Hogan. But that would be the last straw. The last straw for me. I think we're going to do a last straw segment on Wednesday. That's not bad. There's a bunch of players that are. Here's a preview. Chris Hogan. Yeah. Nelson Aguilar, 5 for 22 on 12 targets. Another droposaurus. I mean, this guy was dropping past. He had two drops per play. Wow. That's impressive. Yeah.

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The bobble and then the hit down. The smackdown. Chris Godwin, just two for 22 in the buy week next week. I think you can cut. Are we done with Chris Godwin? I think you can't cut Chris Godwin right now because you can't hold him through the buy if you need other options. And James Winston is back. And Deshaun Jackson led the team. And then you're still going to take Evans over all of them. And then it's a matter of deciding between Godwin and D. Jacks.

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Godwin with 49% of the snaps on 31 of 63 snaps. And he's playing fewer snaps than Adam Humphreys this past week. So, I mean, what do you think? I think, yeah, wow, that changed fast. Yeah, and that happens. Godwin. But yeah, I would probably cut him. Yeah, I would definitely. Mike Williams slammed back to Earth, too. One for 15 on three targets. People played him. People were bummed out of their mind. It was a San Francisco matchup. You felt like you could play him. And it didn't happen for him. Tyrell.

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Tyrell, the other Williams had... Well, it wasn't Keenan. Keenan ended up... He ended up okay. He ended up okay. Ten targets, seven receptions for 63 yards, but very disappointed. And he didn't either. Yeah, he didn't either. So how do you feel about Keenan? Like, give me your thoughts, because you made him your make or break. Sure. Seven for 63 is, that's fine if it's sandwiched by top performances, which I think are coming for Keenan. Yeah. So for me, he's a trade target.

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But I'm curious what you think. Yeah, I'm looking at the 10 opportunities, though. You can't, I'm with you. I would trade for Keenan Allen. I would not try and trade him away. I would not sell them at a lower value. Jason, you have Keenan Allen. Yep. You could potentially improve your monster team. I mean, I know there's really.

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Like, there's very small spots in that team that could actually improve. Right, right. I mean, it's just so good. It's so good. You're putting up huge points every single week. Dalman Cook, Devonthe Freeman, killing it. Would you, looking at your team, saying, okay, I can trade Keenan Allen and I can try and improve my running back position. Would you do that or would you say, no, I'm going to hold on to Keenan Allen? Right now I'm going to hold on to Keenan Allen. I don't, I don't know that he.

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is going to carry the value that would really upgrade. I mean, it's always going to be a value thing, right? Like, what can you get back? So there's certain things I would be willing to trade Keenan Allen for, but my guess is that the temperature on Keenan Allen right now is not where I think he'll continue to progress into. I still see him as an absolute wide receiver one. You know, there's no doubt to me that he finishes the season.

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barring injury as one of the top 12 wide receivers. And a reminder that last year, right about this time, this is what was happening for Keenan Allen through his first four games, 35 yards with a score, 100 yards, 61 yards, 138. It was, is pretty uneven for Keenan Allen to start the year. Everyone remembers the second half where he literally won you the league.

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