Fantasy Football - Week 5 Waivers & Streamers + Trade Jealousy - Podcast for 9/30

The Fantasy Foot Muller studio is sponsored by Walmart. [music] Welcome to the Fantasy Footballers podcast with your host Andy Holloway, Jason Moore, and [music] Mike Wright. Oh, welcome in Tuesday, September 30th on the edge of October. Jason, how are you today? I'm >> doing great. Doing great. >> You're back.

>> I am back. I'm a happy boy. >> Someone got a little sleepy. That shirt is so similar to the shirt you wore yesterday. >> Is it? >> It's so close. >> I think yesterday's was like orer. >> Yeah, it was. It was a little more salmon. >> It's not the same shirt. I promise. >> For a moment, I thought maybe you slept here. >> Oh, yeah. [laughter] >> Well, all that talk of your family not wanting to be around you after the weekend. I thought maybe you slept here and just wore the same clothes. >> No. Have they forgiven you?

>> I showered. I I have >> We do have a shower here, though. So, you can just >> You were right. I didn't say where. >> Did the shower wash away all the pain? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, we've all been through this enough. We get the pain and it lasts for about 24 hours. And then you go, I'm ready to get hurt again. Let's play fantasy football. >> Yeah. [laughter] Um, how long was that shower? >> 30 35 minutes. >> Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay. Little little shower cry. >> Little bit weeping, but you can't tell. >> Yeah.

>> You know, like Yeah. Exactly. [laughter] We had a Monday night football game that resulted in another catastrophic year ending career ending, >> but maybe >> I think career ending. It's very very possible. >> It is um the more details that have come out about it. It looks closer to career. I don't know how you come back from that at that age cuz it was >> he will never play for the Dolphins again. That's for sure. >> It looked like the the offic So if you missed it, Tyreek Hill uh knee dislocation. It looks >> Oh, if you missed it, they just showed

you the replay, so don't worry. >> That's very strange. >> Don't worry about that. They just showed it to you. >> I thought the NFL moved to a policy where it's like if it's bad, we just don't show it anymore. And if you want to go see it, there's there's easy ways that you can go find that on social media. You want to see it. >> Maybe if you've been arrested a certain amount of times, they show it. I'm not sure. >> Yeah. Well, the foot went the wrong direction. >> Yeah. It looked a lot like the uh uh the

Latimore, the kid from if you remember that the running he was going to be a running back superstar. >> Yep. >> And then his knee just went everything shredded. >> Yeah. He He's done. And um you know, Tyreek already older, already wasn't happy with the Dolphins. Like the biggest rumor this season around Tyreek was around him being traded at the trade deadline to maybe the Chiefs going back to going back home to Kansas City. That's not going to happen. He was knocked out of the game. HN was incredible. I have to find this drop. Hold on. Let me dust it off.

>> Oh, we are so back. >> We actually back. >> We're actually back with Darren Waller in a way that you wouldn't have expected, but two touchdowns and now no Tyreek. >> Yeah, it's the Tyreek thing. You know, the the two touchdowns, you can't really chase that against a a what seems like just a terrible Jets defense. Um, but with Tyreek gone, they need someone else to step up. So on today's waiver episode, whether that's Malik Washington, Darren Waller, there will be targets necessary to this offense. >> He only ran 10 routes, he was targeted on 28% of them. I almost sent a message

in our Slack, but I was like, I can't I I'm too ashamed to say this on that that very first catch where he ran the crossing route. I was like, >> dude, he looked fast. like that looked like Darren Waller the ramp up >> in the in the landscape of tight ends. I would have absolutely been chasing the two touchdowns for Darren Waller regardless of the Tyreek injury >> because this team used the tight end position to such success last year with and and if it was the first game, you know, the snap counts, the opportunities they're going up. It's incredible that

the ramp up led to production immediately, but >> yeah, 28% of snaps, that was it. the number two. That's why it would have been like think about all the >> kind of middle >> all the middle of the road five point a week type of guys that we have out there right now like Noku and Hawinson and Leaporta and these guys are not providing the level of upside potential. Like you look at Leaporta and you're like okay this guy was number one before but we've also seen a year and a half of what this offense looks like. We know about Gibbs and Montgomery and Alman Raw

and Jameson Williams and company. like there's an opportunity in front of Waller to be a primary target. It's not like Wadd stays healthy >> or has been able to take advantage of Tyreek being out necessarily. So, >> I mean, >> I don't know. I'm I'm all the way bought in. >> I Yeah. Do they go full January? >> I mean, I would be targeting him has to change. >> I don't know that you can go full Janu, you know, 100 uh, you know, reception type of numbers just because he's 33 years old. Um, however, he will >> I I'm I'm with you guys. I'm I'm bought

in. He's probably my number one, you know, waiver claim. Uh, definitely at the tight end position. >> Yeah. At tight end, there's a running back who's at the top. >> Yeah. >> Justin Fields played quarterback for the New York Jets and put up ridiculously good fantasy numbers on a night in which I look, the Jets are terrible. >> So bad. >> They're one they're >> they're so bad. Titans. I mean, the Saints make both those teams look way worse. >> So many awful mistakes that are just like constant. >> These are beginner mistakes that you're making over and over and over at the

line >> of these false starts, not not getting plays in in time. It was so frustrating to watch. >> That's the Bree Hall quote that we have. Can we look that up? It's a great quote. >> It you really feel Bree Hall and Garrett Wilson have been beaten down. Yeah. >> Over years >> they just all they know is losing >> you got it J. >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh he he said uh it's the same thing basically over and over. Teams shoot themselves in the foot and then we come back and shoot shoot ourselves in the head. It was which is

what's like >> that first drive for them when they ran the ball down their throat over and over and then fumble at the goal line is like >> that's the Jets. So Brayen Allen got knocked out of the game on got the fumble and then got injured. >> Bree Hall had a productive day. Five for 30 in the passing game, 14 for 81 on the ground. Had some bigger runs. Justin Fields, >> you know, >> the huge >> touchdown pass on the last drive. >> Well, the huge touchdown run first, which was awesome. >> It was a I mean, that was vintage

Chicago Bears Fields of This was a >> what on the Jets. A horrifically called play. Not blocked. Well, he saved it. >> Justin Fields just happened to be faster than everybody. >> Uh, and then we did have a Garrett Wilson touchdown that was called back. I don't I'm I'm a Garrett Wilson apologist, so I thought it was soft. What did you guys think of the uh the OPI? >> I thought it was PI and you can't do that in front of a referee, like right in front of a referee. So, I I I leaned that direction. People get away with it

a lot of the time. And he's smaller. So, I >> That's all it was. It's like it was PI. It should have been called, but you do see people get away with it sometimes. And so he could he have gotten away with it? Sure. But it it was OPI. It was like there was a reason he was that open. >> What one thing that was really funny is in our prize picks competition on last Friday, I had Garrett Wilson at 65.5. >> Yeah. And you and you lost. >> And he scored the touchdown on the final drive >> and that put him at 65 on the dot. Oh,

>> so I thought he'd be coming in here and maybe I'd be the shame I We didn't know. >> Game was over. You had a chance to uh get the onside kick. They didn't get it. >> Yeah, they had 2 seconds left. Final play. He ends up with He ends up with 82 yards because of the single lateral play. But um which by the way, we ended up 11 for 12 on those. >> It was a good week. >> Good job, boys. >> Who Who missed one? >> I did. It wasn't me. I did. >> But Mason Taylor Mason Taylor, five

catches at tight end. Go ahead, Mike. >> Meow. Thank you. >> I mean, I saw those catches. >> Uh 565. >> Oh my gosh. >> He did fall to the air at one point. >> Very productive. 27 yards. >> He's like crawling towards the fridge like, "Please, please give me the first meow." >> Just a little kitty cat. Save me. I need some milk. I mean, he had a good day. He did. And he's on the waiverss for he's whatever. Um, I have decided what should have happened last night cuz the Broncos manhandled the Bengals in every which way. 28-3. So, we had two games. 20

27-21 Dolphins. 283 Broncos over the Bengals. The Bengals and the Jets should have played on ESPN 7. And then the other game should have been Dolphins, Broncos. That would have been more entertaining. But great day for Bo Knicks. Great day for JK Dobbins. You saw RJ Harvey heavily involved. Courtland Sutton scored. Um, you know, R.J. Harvey had the touchdown, too. I mean, this was when you looked at the rookie running back impact of the week. And I don't know where Harvey ended up. >> Oh, he had to have a >> but I'm guessing inside the top 20. >> He should be running back.

>> He's uh just just shy of 100 total yards and a score. 13 running back 13 on the week. >> So, that means that [clears throat] just for those tracking at home that were disappointed in the rookie running backs. >> Yeah. First couple weeks it looked bad. We said, you know, pump the brakes. Don't worry. Hold on. >> Number one the week, Genty. Number five, Marks. Number seven, Hampton. Number 11, Judkins. Number >> 13, Harvey. Number 17, Scataboo. Number 25, >> Trayvon Henderson. >> Oh, come on, Hendo. That's getting in that 25. >> That's seven rookie running backs in the

top 25. That's >> the Harvey utilization at the beginning of the game was very encouraging. >> Yeah, you were asking if the change was happening. >> Yeah. And then Dobins, as soon as I said anything, Dobbins comes in and he's just wrecking the Bengals. But the it wasn't like Harvey's utilization wasn't just a product of a blowout where they're getting the rook opportunities at the end. He was involved at the beginning. >> I I I will say that is true, but they also gave him everything once Dobbins had his 100 yards and then it was Harvey at the end of the game getting a lot of

extra work. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I'm saying that it did seem like the plan had the game been competitive, both of them would have remained active. >> And every play that R.J. Harvey touched the ball was an offensive flag. >> There was that too. >> That I mean early on it was someone made a joke in in Slack of like >> R.J. Harvey keeps making big plays that get called back and then it happened like three more times. >> How lifeless, hless, and feudal is >> the Cincinnati offense, offensive line, Chase Brown, T. Higgins cha Jamar Chase 5 for 23. T. Higgins three for 32. Chase

Brown 10 for 40. >> Yeah, I mean th this is an offensive line problem. Uh I don't even think it's a Jake Browning problem. Jake Browning can get it done in the right matchup and he will later on this season. We brought it up um last week before >> win. >> Well, it'll be about a month. >> He's going to get it done. >> Jake Browning. Um the the the >> the truth is it's going to be a month from now. >> We talked about it before this week. the fact that they had Minnesota, Denver, Detroit Lions, Green Bay Packers, like

you've got two more weeks of absolute like massacre. I've I don't know if I've ever in the time we've been doing this professionally over a decade seen an offensive line worse than what the Bengals like there was one uh play that you uh you shared at Slack where Broncos rushed only three. >> They rushed three. >> Broncos used four players to block one guy, >> mind you. Yeah, they had five offensive linemen and a running back available to block three guys >> and two of them came untouched, completely untouched and smooshed Browning right in the middle. >> And four of them tried to block one guy.

>> Yeah. Oh, they did. They successfully blocked that dude. >> But I I would not I I don't know if I have the approach that is going to be way better. >> Yeah. I mean, >> because that offensive line, like you said, I I'm looking at this. New England's a pretty good defense. So, you're talking about Detroit through New England. That's week 12. Your fantasy playoffs are starting in week 15. >> I I think against Pit, the Jets, Chicago, >> the Pitts Pit's off defensive line is outrageously good and they play him twice. >> I think that he can still be competent

in that game. >> Well, I I um I'll I'll be on the side of not believing in Jake Browning in this situation. >> So, what are you doing with Jamar Chase? >> I mean, weeping, nashing of teeth. >> Like, are you are you bailing out? Should you try to trade him? probably >> someone still will trade for Jamar Chase. >> Look, it's it's worse for Chase than it is for AJ Brown. That's what I I believe that. >> So, you know, Jamar Chase is going to get targets. I mean, he had eight in this game. He's going to he's going to

score sometimes. He's going to be fine. But when if if you had to put your house on whether Jamar Chase has a top 12 wide receiver ranking the rest of season from here on that he's top 12. >> Oh, I would never like >> Would you put your house on it >> the entirety of the rest of the weeks? Rest of season. >> The rest of the season. No way. >> So we Yeah. What is this week five on? >> No way. Is he >> Okay. What if Would you put your house on top 15? >> No. Probably top 24. I He He's basically

a wide and >> that's a trade. If Jamar Chase Jamar Chase can be traded for something better than top 25. >> Would you trade Jamar Chase >> for Quinton Johnston? >> Hit the outro. >> Oh [laughter] man, that is that is an unbelievable. >> You know what? You should. >> But you got to get more than that cuz >> even though even No, no, no, no. I'm not saying >> I it here's the thing. We see this in the NFL draft when people uh they they get their guy, they reach for him, and we talk about it in draft season, right?

Like, I want this guy. Well, that doesn't mean take them five rounds ahead of their ADP. You can still get better value than that. Take them one round ahead of their ADP and grab four other better guys. If you're trading Jamar Chase for Quinton Johnson, even if Quinton Johnson is better rest of season than Jamar Chase, you're going to be a I think get more than >> The problem is is Yeah, you might be right. You might be able to get more. I don't think you will in a lot of leagues because >> it's like the mystery is now gone

>> with the Jake Browning situation. Is this three straight duds for Jamar Chase or two straight? >> Uh he had he was great week two which was like some burrow some Browning. >> I mean this was a prime time game. >> Do like some burrow. >> I don't know if if you sent >> right some burrows. >> Oh yeah del place is great. >> I don't know if you sent if you sent that trade through. I'm not sure everybody takes it. That's what I mean of like if you the Quinton Johnson manager's probably going to push back and say maybe maybe I'll do this one for one.

>> Yeah. >> So that's what I mean. If you came down to it, would you one for one? >> I think there are Wait, would you go to Tedaro and McMillan? [sighs] >> I that's a that's a troubled situation too with high targets, low production. >> Corin Sutton. Sutton. I would >> Oh gosh. >> I'd take Sutton. I'm looking at my rest of season rankings right now. I'm like I don't [laughter] How far down do you move do you move him? Cuz they with Detroit and Green Bay next like the when you're saying will he be a top 15 from here on out? It's like I I think